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Who would win, Asajj Ventress or Darth Maul?

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this is a tough one. In many ways they are very similar. Assaj is supposedly dead from Anakin during the Clone Wars ( Star Wars Republic issue 71 ). She is definitely not as good as Mace, becuase she flees when they fight. She puts up a really good fight against Obi-wan on numerous occasions, yet Maul fought both Obi-wan and Qui-gon...

I am gonna wait a while to see what other people think, then vote

Pfft.
Obviously they'd fall sickeningly in love, and have crazy-Sith babies with red and white skin and horns!

O.O that would be weird.

I didn't describe the setting much because the battle is what inerested me.

Asajj Ventress stood before the great and powerful Sith Lord, Darth Sidious. Beind around him, she felt such a high concentration of dark powers it nearly made her dizzy.

"So," Sidious spoke. His voice sounded dry, arrogant, but commanding at the same time. "You wish to be a Sith do you?" he paused as the doors at the other end of the room slid open.

It was Darth Maul, his Sith apprentice, recently returned from sabotaging a Republic military base. Although his hood was covering his face, Sidious could feel the prsence of his perfect Sith weapon. He could also feel the satisfaction from Maul's thoughts.

"He had succeeded," Sidious thought.

"Master," Maul said coming to Sidious' side and bowing his head, staring at Asajj through the corner of his eyes all the while.

"You've done well my apprentice. Now teach the young one what it means to be a Sith."

Maul wasted no time and immediately force pushed Asajj backward and had both ends of his lightsaber ignited and chargin her before she was up.

She managed to get her green blade up to block the first attack, long enough to removed her blue saber and get to her feet. Maul was using his staff like a spear, poking forward with only one edge, occasionally slashing at the sides in an attempt to estimate her speed. When he had studied her enough, he began use the second edge with upward slashes after he attemtped a thrust.

Ventress, although no sith, was a skilled warrior and was completely driven by the darkside. She tapped into her hatred and lust for power and began driving back Maul's attacks and began returning her some of her own.

After a failed slash, Ventress used both of her sabers to push Maul's staff to the side, and she managed to force push him backward, but he merely flipped backward and landed on his feet. She admired his perfect balance, his timing, and his focus was on her eyes only.

Maul could feel the fear inside her, and decided there wasn't enough. he was a Sith Lord, and she needed to be punished. Maul was concentrating on all of his training, all of the obstables he had overcome to become Sidious apprentice, and there was no way he would go through all of that to lose it to this pathetic attempt at a Sith.

Maul caught both of Asajj's blades with each end of his staff. He flipped backward using his hands to balance himself upside down on the ground as he flipped. His legs landed swift kicks into each of Asajj's wrists and her lightsabers were sailing across the room away from her while Maul was charging forward with his staff ready.

Asajj called her sabers to her through the force, but Maul could feel the call and interfered in the reception. He flipped foward in the air, using an incredibly aimed twirl of the staff that sliced both sabers in half. Asajj's face dropped from both the shock of Maul's skill, but then from the shock of the kick that landed in her face.

Maul deactivated his lightsaber and tossed it aside, much to Sidious and Ventress' surprise. He came to her with two hook punches that crossed right to left. She stumbled backward and readied herself as Maul paced around her with a grin.

Ventress used the force to leap over Maul and twist her body into a graceful flip. She landed directly behind Maul where she wrapped her arms around his neck, squeezing with all of her physical might, and using the force to amplify the choke.

Maul was losing air fast and dropped to a knee, feeling the air leaving his body. He was failing, and as he looked to his master, he realized that Sith do not fail. Maul sent his right elbow backward into Asajj's chest, then flipped her forward over his right shoulder. He snapped a kick with his right leg into her lower spine and she screamed in pain.

Sidious smiled with pride, the fight was going as he had planned. Only a worthy apprentice would be the victor.

Asajj rolled to the side as Maul tried to bring his foot down on her head to end the battle, but she distracted him by causing several large chunks of the roof to cave in on him. He flipped backward to avoid the stones crashing into the floor and was temporarily blinded by the dust.

Through the dust came a familiar red glow as Asajj began swinging Maul's own lightsaber at him. Maul could do nothing but use all if his powers to dart and dodge past every swing. The dust was beginning to clear and Maul could feel his master's displeasure given the circumstances.

Maul was able to escpae each swing, but he was growing tired in this situation, and Ventress was too power hungry to relent. Maul then saw his oppurtunity and went for it. Allowing her thrust to come forward, Maul darted to the side at the last second and brought his right elbow down across her mouth, dazing her long enough for him to grab his saber.

They both struggled over the saber, bringing it over Asajj's head, as she slowly brought the blade down, coming inches from his head. Maul's hands were losing grip as they scurried around the hilt of his lightsaber, until he found what he was looking for.

Asajj's strength faded almost as quickly as the second blade of Maul's lightsaber pierced into her chest. Another quick twirling thrust and a loud grunt later, Maul was bowing his head to his master as his opponent's head dropped to the ground.

Another well written battle from Nefarus. If that was anime, Maul would probably try to sexually assault her after he sliced her sabers, or maybe I've been watching Ninja Resurrection too much.

You all have some very interesting thoughts, but I don't believe Sith are capable of love.

This would be a close one, but I'd say Maul. I believe he started his training at a very young age, so he'd be more skilled, more experienced and more adept at the Dark Side. It would certainly be interesting, pitting Asajj's two-sword style against Maul's double-bladed sabre.

Darth Nefarus: That was very good.

meh, Id say Maul. Although I would have LOVED it if Lucas had used Ventress fo0r EP3 as opposed to Grevious.

Maul, but only barely.

Maul should be the more powerful force user and the more skilled duelist, IMO. But if you are someone who ignores context (Arhael) or if you just have absolutely no grasp of context at all (DARTH POWER), then it would seem as though Ventress is the more capable combatant when comparing their performances against Obi Wan.

Maul would win, imo. Won't be easy, but such ease depends on whether this is TPM, or CW era Maul.

This should be in vs forum. And Maul wins.

Originally posted by Vensai
This should be in vs forum. And Maul wins.


You wish you were a mod, huh?

Originally posted by Vensai
This should be in vs forum. And Maul wins. I sent your message back to 8 years ago, the change should be coming any second now.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Maul would win, imo. Won't be easy, but such ease depends on whether this is TPM, or CW era Maul.





Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Maul should be the more powerful force user and the more skilled duelist, IMO. But if you are someone who ignores context (Arhael) or if you just have absolutely no grasp of context at all (DARTH POWER), then it would seem as though Ventress is the more capable combatant when comparing their performances against Obi Wan.


Fisto = Kenobi

But seriously Dude you need to stop having nightmares about me and Arhael spanking you.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Maul should be the more powerful force user and the more skilled duelist, IMO. But if you are someone who ignores context (Arhael) or if you just have absolutely no grasp of context at all (DARTH POWER), then it would seem as though Ventress is the more capable combatant when comparing their performances against Obi Wan.
He hey. Someone is looking for provocation.
But that's fine.

Kenobi used Soresu against her, which lacks offensive power as I am sure you know. In other words her excellent performance against Kenobi is as non-factor as Fisto's against Grievous. Maul would beat her fair and square.
Not to mention that she confronted less skilled Kenobi at the time.

Originally posted by Arhael
Kenobi used Soresu against her


So he fared worse against Ventress while using a style he's best at? Is that what you're saying?


Originally posted by Arhael
In other words her excellent performance against Kenobi is as non-factor as Fisto's against Grievous. Maul would beat her fair and square.
Not to mention that she confronted less skilled Kenobi at the time.


Oh, here we go with this again. Yes Kit's casual tooling and taunting of Grievous is a "non-factor". I wonder why it took Obi Wan so much tries just to do just as good. I wonder why he couldn't even disarm a Grievous, who used only two blades against him on at least two occasions. But yeah, Kenobi is miles ahead of Fisto.

And if Kenobi does better when fighting offensively, then why doesn't he when he is up against Ventress? Why is it that your arguments contradict eachother. You say Kenobi is untouchable when utilizing soresu, but yet Ventress would have killed him in his most recent duel with her if it weren't for Anakin. So Ventress did better than Maul and Opress despite the fact that Obi Wan was using a style he was best at when fighting her.

But you're also the one who argues that one doesn't limit himself when he is not willing to kill his opponent.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So he fared worse against Ventress while using a style he's best at? Is that what you're saying?





Oh, here we go with this again. Yes Kit's casual tooling and taunting of Grievous is a "non-factor". I wonder why it took Obi Wan so much tries just to do just as good. I wonder why he couldn't even disarm a Grievous, who used only two blades against him on at least two occasions. But yeah, Kenobi is miles ahead of Fisto.

And if Kenobi does better when fighting offensively, then why doesn't he when he is up against Ventress? Why is it that your arguments contradict eachother. You say Kenobi is untouchable when utilizing soresu, but yet Ventress would have killed him in his most recent duel with her if it weren't for Anakin. So Ventress did better than Maul and Opress despite the fact that Obi Wan was using a style he was best at when fighting her.

But you're also the one who argues that one doesn't limit himself when he is not willing to kill his opponent.

Kit Fisto was equal/ slightly superior to Kenobi in AOTC, after that he gets absolutely demolished. No way could Fisto dream of contending with the Maul brothers.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Kit Fisto was equal/ slightly superior to Kenobi in AOTC, after that he gets absolutely demolished. No way could Fisto dream of contending with the Maul brothers.


Your proof?

If Kit can casually tool Grievous while taunting him, whereas it took Kenobi several tries of consistent struggling just to as good, why should we consider Kenobi far superior to Fisto?

When did Kit "casually tool" Grievous?

When he disarmed him, forced him back, and put him on his ass, and then just stood over him smiling and taunting. That doesn't suggest much of a struggle to me. I'm not saying Kit whooped him effortlessly, but that fight was very lopsided.

Not nearly as lopsided as you make it sound. Yes, Kit had the upper hand throughout the fight but I don't see enough to say he was owning the General nor does Kit taunt him. Rather he says the typical Jedi BS.

Originally posted by ares834
Not nearly as lopsided as you make it sound. Yes, Kit had the upper hand throughout the fight but I don't see enough to say he was owning the General nor does Kit taunt him. Rather he says the typical Jedi BS.


Well what do you consider "owning?" Kit didn't speed blitz him or anything, no.

And Kit's attitude did seem pretty taunting when he had Grievous on the floor.

Good. They finally moved this thread. Again, Maul wins. Ventress could never hope to do as well as he could against Sidious.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So he fared worse against Ventress while using a style he's best at? Is that what you're saying?
He didn't fair worse against Ventress, he just fought her longer. It takes longer time for Soresu practitioners to defeat their opponents in general.


Fisto wasn't casually tooling Grievous. Because of taunting and hiding in mist Fisto took one of his arms without much effort. And then he was driving Grievous back with Jarkai and Force pushed him to the ground. Also, using only two sabers against single saber opponent doesn't make Grievous much weaker. His strength is doubled as arms are joined together. And he still has advantage of having more lightsabers, which makes it easier to force opponent with single weapon onto defensive.

It was better tactic to fight brothers offensively but that doesn't mean that Kenobi fights better offensively against single opponent. Also, Soresu cannot be used with two sabers.

And using best style doesn't mean that Kenobi has right mind set to give his best performance every time. One thing is when Kenoni relies on Anakin and another, when he faces uneven odds and most certain death.

Also, you ignore the fact that Kenobi improved since last encounter with Ventress.

Your attempt to elevate Fisto to Kenobi's level is futile. With same success I could argue that Kenobi is far above Dooku because Opress disarmed him with single attack and Force choked with split effort, while Kenobi defeated him, while fending off Maul.

Hmm...Maul is superior in I think lightsabers and force...but it would be a darn close fight....all great arguments though.

Clearly the thread starter had TPM Maul in mind when he made this thread back in 2005.

Either way, Maul would handily take a sabers and all-out battle, while Asajj would take a force battle. Imo.

Wow O_o This topic is oldddd

Arhael, you have no shame. lol

Ventress was able to best Kenobi while he was using a form that focuses on defense and protection, which, according to you, makes Kenobi harder to defeat. Maul and Savage were unable to defeat Kenobi while Kenobi was NOT using that same form. So how is it that Maul is better than Ventress?

Either you accept the possibility that Maul and Savage were not giving their best performance due to the fact that they wanted to take Kenobi alive instead of killing him (as confirmed in "The Lawless", or you can believe that Ventress is far superior to the combined might of Maul and Savage.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Arhael, you have no shame. lol

Ventress was able to best Kenobi while he was using a form that focuses on defense and protection, which, according to you, makes Kenobi harder to defeat. Maul and Savage were unable to defeat Kenobi while Kenobi was NOT using that same form. So how is it that Maul is better than Ventress?

Either you accept the possibility that Maul and Savage were not giving their best performance due to the fact that they wanted to take Kenobi alive instead of killing him (as confirmed in "The Lawless", or you can believe that Ventress is far superior to the combined might of Maul and Savage.

I don't think ABC logic works that way...

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Wow O_o This topic is oldddd

Pointless comment, I'd say. On topic--Who do you think wins this?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Pointless comment, I'd say. On topic--Who do you think wins this?

I already answered: "Hmm...Maul is superior in I think lightsabers and force...but it would be a darn close fight....all great arguments though."

Originally posted by Galan007
Clearly the thread starter had TPM Maul in mind when he made this thread back in 2005.

Either way, Maul would handily take a sabers and all-out battle, while Asajj would take a force battle. Imo.
I agree.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Well what do you consider "owning?" Kit didn't speed blitz him or anything, no.

And Kit's attitude did seem pretty taunting when he had Grievous on the floor.

He didn't own him. Kit Fisto pretty much applies the Jedi version of Dun Moch during his duels, hell in the ROTS novel he still has a smile on his face when he gets his head chopped off.

Maul should take it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66


Either you accept the possibility that Maul and Savage were not giving their best performance due to the fact that they wanted to take Kenobi alive instead of killing him (as confirmed in "The Lawless", or you can believe that Ventress is far superior to the combined might of Maul and Savage.

Yeah Or it was Kenobi who didn't give his best performance against Ventress. Not to mention that was a peak performance for Ventress being in a rage enhanced state.

Heck at one point she was force choking both Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Also Kenobi was ordered to take Maul alive:

"If this is Darth Maul HIS CAPTURE is far too important to be left to Obi-Wan alone." -Mace Windu Episode "Revenge".

And also in "The Lawless" Kenobi outright states that he doesn't blame Maul and would rather turn him back to the LS than kill him.

Not to mention Arhael has given you a thorough thrashing on the "Taking them alive reduces performance" rubbish you keep spitting out when it suits your argument. It doesn't have a significant impact at all. The vast majority of SW sword fights end either with a physical attack, or with a limb chopped off.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He didn't own him. Kit Fisto pretty much applies the Jedi version of Dun Moch during his duels, hell in the ROTS novel he still has a smile on his face when he gets his head chopped off.


Dooku uses Dun Moch on Obi Wan, and you consider it as being playful. So what is the difference here? And how much more one-sided can a fight get before you consider it as an ownage?

Also, why does everyone have a problem with Kit and Obi Wan being on the same level? I mean Kit was consider one of the greatest duelist in the prime of the jedi order, so Obi Wan being placed on his level would automatically put him there as well? Is it because Kit was owned by Palpatine in seconds? Palpatine would own Kenobi as well. I don't see what the big problem is there, other than Kenobi being a fan-favorite and a popular/main character. Everyone can accept the fact that Palpatine would TK rape Kenobi, so what's so hard about accepting the fact that he would saber rape Kenobi as well? What is the difference? No matter how you look at it, Kenobi is still a complete non-factor to Palpatine.


Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not to mention Arhael has given you a thorough thrashing on the "Taking them alive reduces performance" rubbish you keep spitting out when it suits your argument. It doesn't have a significant impact at all.


The sad and funny part is, that you're the only person who believes Arhael's retarded rants about that. Arhael doesn't even believe that BS, he just hates to be wrong. Hell, not too long ago, Arhael's argument as to why Ventress easily took Obi Wan out of their last fight was: 'because Obi Wan wasn't trying to kill her.' Basically, he suggested that Obi Wan wasn't giving his best performance because he wasn't willing to kill. Arhael constantly changes his stances when it suits his arguments. So again, you're the only one who believes his BS, which isn't very surprising.


Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The vast majority of SW sword fights end either with a physical attack, or with a limb chopped off.


Palpatine ended three jedi masters with fatal blows, Maul ended Qui Gon with a fatal blow, Obi Wan ended Maul with a fatal blow, and I'm pretty sure dark side Anakin cut down a few jedi with fatal blows. (note: all these examples are from the movies alone.) Hmm, I wonder why they didn't just go for the wrists, ya know, since it's so much easier? Perhaps it's because it wasn't an option at the time, so they landed a strike on an opening that was available at the time. That's what you do when you're not limiting yourself.

Some advice for you: stop relying on Arhael's word, and start thinking for yourself. Just because Arhael is very knowledgeable on his SW lore, and posts sources (many of which are irrelevent to the argument, btw), doesn't mean he is "thrashing" someone in an argument. If you pay attention, you would realize that some of the sources he quotes, outright contradict his own arguments, and supports the arguments of the person he is arguing against. As The_Tempest said, Arhael's arguments are dictated by pride rather than logic. So do yourself a favor, and start evaluating what he is actually saying, and start thinking for yourself.

As a point of clarification, I do not mean to suggest that all of Arhael's arguments are dictated by pride nor do I mean to insinuate that he's a retard. I like him, he's pretty smart, and has made plenty of convincing cases in the past.

It just so happens that in this particular debate, he's on the losing side and has committed to it beyond reason. I doubt he'll be on my list forever, whereas the other two individuals are simply beyond intellectual redemption.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As a point of clarification, I do not mean to suggest that all of Arhael's arguments are dictated by pride nor do I mean to insinuate that he's a retard. I like him, he's pretty smart, and has made plenty of convincing cases in the past.


I should not have dragged your name up in argument that you decided to leave. And I apologize if I made it seem like you were suggesting that he is a retard. I just agreed with a statement that you made about him regarding this argument, so I kinda quoted you.

Clone wars dimensions make a better fight. Why apprentices?