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I'd say Grievous. Maul is tough, but Grievous was able to defeat five Jedi at once (including Ki-Adi-Mundi). Maul had difficulty with two.

What do you mean, Maul had difficulty? Saying that being killed is a difficulty is more than understating the fact.

Indeed, Maul couldn't even take care of one--when he went up agasint Obi-Wan, both ends of his saber were still intact. He should have been able to make quick work of the Jedi, but he didn't. If Greivous were to use 4 sabers, as I've heard he might, this would be one of the quickest matches in history.

I'd go with Grievous.

Well, It's really hard to determine, since we have never seen Grievous fight before.

Spearhead: Quite right. I meant that Grievous could easily fend off (and defeat) 5 Jedi at the same time, while when Maul faced two Jedi at once (Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan), he had difficulty fending them both off (he was able to for a while, but far from easily). There's no way he could have taken five at once.

So yes, the General takes this one.

Well that was the cartoon. The characters in that are usually way overpowered.

Terrain also is a factor. Besides, maul is a sith.

Keep in mind Maul can use the Force and GG cannot

OB1 could too and he had to resort to using a blaster to beat him. I just realized that OB1 had to cheat to beat both of them.

^
lol

It's true that Maul has the Force (he's nobody's pushover), but so did Ki-Adi-Mundi and the other four Jedi (five if you include the one Grievous flattened.) Yes, that was the cartoon, but what else can we go on? Besides, I'm pretty sure that the movie version will still be formiddable.

There are always factors such as terrain, true, but I'd say Maul is outmatched here. Grievous will get a double sabre for his collection.

Yeah I saw a comic once, where Maul nearly defeats Vader...Vader got one lucky shot by stabbing himself right through his stumach which also hitted Maul...But does that mean Maul is stronger than Vader? I don't think so.

Shouldn't this be in the Vs sub-forum?

I think Maul could repel the four arms of Grievous with his staff. The staff is extremely effective for defense, and Maul was a well trained and skilled warrior. Plus, he would likely use some force pushes, and throw shit at him. He would jump around a lot more.
However, I resereve the right to change my mind after I see episode 3.

Maul because he looks like one bad arse son of a biatch. GG does - but GG reminds me too much of my brother.

Your brother has 4 arms and a metalic shell? COOL!

...........Darth Maul never had any trouble. He offed qui gon, and kicked obi wans arse. obi wan got lucky, and MAul big-headed. Also keep in mind that grievous fought JEDI, not sith.....sith use the force to their advantage,and for power, jedi dont. Plus, Darth Maul is so damn pissed off and full of rage, and has given himself to the dark side. Grievous is a hard ass, i'll give you that, but Maul has fought many droids in the past(if you read any darth maul book). Up to four at a time, who are trained to kill and are the most lethal in the galaxy. He's basically in the same situation, but instead of four droids, its a droid with four arms. Yes im aware of his human brain and such, but it just wont matter. I hope ive proven myself, and i think Grievous is just overrated. Maul owns a shinier, more metallic goro anyday.

Maul

I was under the impression that Grevious is Maul. Or at least, whats left of him.

oops, double post. sorry.

well thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard

OH MY GOD! HE IS? SO SIDIOUS IS ANAKIN'S FATHER!!!
lol

no it's confirmed grievous is not what is left of maul, their eyes are different also + Grievous has no Force Powers...even if there would be little left of maul he would still have Force Powers

yea no kidding

good call cappin'

If Maul could use lightning, it wouldn't be a fight, just Maul being mad.
BUT, Grievous would give him such an awesome run for his money

Maul would win? Alright, let's settle a couple of things.

Honestly, I ask- When has Maul ever used the darkside of the Force to his advantage? Force lightning? Push? Anything?

If he was so talented, he would have quickly and efficiently destroyed Qui Gon and Obi Wan. But he wasn't. He's now paying half off at the tanning salon. And even if you chalk up the loss to arrogance, please be so kind as to include his arrogance as a factor in THIS battle.

Personally, I believe Grievious would stomp the Zabrak. I honestly don't think Maul was ever as cool as most people would have believe. And with that being said, I leave it to Nefarous and "jackstain" to hop all over me.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Maul would win? Alright, let's settle a couple of things.

Honestly, I ask- When has Maul ever used the darkside of the Force to his advantage? Force lightning? Push? Anything?

If he was so talented, he would have quickly and efficiently destroyed Qui Gon and Obi Wan. But he wasn't. He's now paying half off at the tanning salon. And even if you chalk up the loss to arrogance, please be so kind as to include his arrogance as a factor in THIS battle.

Personally, I believe Grievious would stomp the Zabrak. I honestly don't think Maul was ever as cool as most people would have believe. And with that being said, I leave it to Nefarous and "jackstain" to hop all over me.

he certainly didnt push obi wan down the shaft with his good looks.
Janus, you can make fun of me and my name all you want, the fact is in the end im not a douche bag like you. and i will always know more about star wars than you.

and i re-post


...........Darth Maul never had any trouble. He offed qui gon, and kicked obi wans arse. obi wan got lucky, and MAul big-headed. Also keep in mind that grievous fought JEDI, not sith.....sith use the force to their advantage,and for power, jedi dont. Plus, Darth Maul is so damn pissed off and full of rage, and has given himself to the dark side. Grievous is a hard ass, i'll give you that, but Maul has fought many droids in the past(if you read any darth maul book). Up to four at a time, who are trained to kill and are the most lethal in the galaxy. He's basically in the same situation, but instead of four droids, its a droid with four arms. Yes im aware of his human brain and such, but it just wont matter. I hope ive proven myself, and i think Grievous is just overrated. Maul owns a shinier, more metallic goro anyday.

did u ever see maul use any force powers?

Originally posted by Uber_God
did u ever see maul use any force powers?
Force Push doesn't turn on any light in your brain?

A force push. Man, what a Force adept.

And as for jackstain, if what you say helps you sleep at night, yeah, whatever. But really, get some friends.

But Janus, he has his Darth Maul blow up doll

Grievous and it easily!

Easily? How do you figure that one? Maul is a very talented Warrior and incredibly skilled in Sith combat.

damn straight

I admit that Maul is a Sith apprentice, but Grievious is a killing machien and a general of sorts to boot. It maynot be a quick and easy one, but then again, Maul is pretty headstrong and reckless in his rage.

Some people need to go get an ice cream sandwich




I need to go get an ice cream sandwich


grevious wins, all four hands down.

while two of the lightsabers block maul's, the other two kill him.

But Janus, you also have to realize, no one, and I mean NO ONE can compete with the incredible luck of Obi-Wan. Well, not as much luck, but his resourcefulness.

But after hearing your agruements and reading more about the General, I'm going to have to say Maul gets sliced.

Obi is the man. Him and Han have the best luck in the galaxy, it seems. But then again, there is no luck, only the Force.

I agree, Obi-Wan has exceptional skills and I think he is second only to Yoda.

I think Mace is second to Yoda. Obi-Wan is definately powerful to be able to defeat the chosen one in a duel. That would actually make two Sith lords Kenobi defeated, the other being Maul. He didnt fair so well against Tyranus though.

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. Of all the Sith lords Obi Wan fought, Anakin and Maul had the least calm demeanors and experience behind the blade. Count Dooku was a form II master and a superbly calm fighter.

Agreed, but based on Obi-Wan's victories and the fact he becomes a Jedi Knight Light, I still think he is more powerful than Mace, or at least, his equal.

Another reason why I believe Mace is over Obi is the fact that he handled Jango rather easily compared to Kenobi. I dont know if the Clone Wars cartoons are reliable but Mace looked pretty damm bad@ss in there. He actually put Grevious on his knees using the force. Now that would have been a cool fight to see. I am saying spoiler free for ep. 3 so if possible guys try and not to post any spoilers.

Obi Wan wasn't trying to kill Jango, though. He was trying to capture him. I suppose you could say that Obi Wan is more of a Jedi ideal than Mace, however, since Mace's fighting style borders so closely towards passion and the darkside.

And while Vaapad is an impressive and amazing style, Obi Wan specialised in Soresu (I think it's called) which was all about defense. So if the two ever were put in similar situations, Obi Wan might not take the sudden, easy advantage, but from a tactical viewpoint he can always control the situation, which is very desireable. Also, a form III master is considered more or less unbeatable.

Umm, Mace also had Jango on the ground the entire time. Kenobi got that missile fired at him which definately aided Jango.
and I'm talking about ROTS Obi-Wan being equal or better than Mace.

Well I dont know anything about ROTS so I dont know. I did the spoiler thing for ep. II and it ruined it for me, so now I am staying spoiler free for ep. III.

That's a good thing to do, kid. Stay spoiler free, drink your milk, and stay in school.

Obi-Wan is definitely on par with Mace. IMO "luck" is only with Han. Obi-Wan doesn't necessarily win battles by "luck". He wins it due to his resourcefulness and level-headedness. Saying Obi-wan wins everything by luck also contradicts his statement "There's no such thing as luck."

That was after about three weeks of training for Ewan, six for Hayden, in Episode III...

And Dooku has beaten Mace in the past. With the dark side as his ally, Dooku might be able to defeat Mace. Though to be fair, Mace has learned a lot since his duel with Dooku way back when.

no, that was because ewan is much younger then christopher lee.

dooku is supposed to be the best with a lightsaber at that time. The stupid thing was that Dooku was supposed to be a fencer in episode 2 but they changed it at the last minute.

What did they change it to?

And Norrin, I don't think I understand your point there.

he is not fencing in ATOC

Jackstain is quite right. Maul took on two very powerful jedi at the same time. The jedi Grevious took done were inexperienced losers. MAUL WOULD DESTROY HIM.

Anakin kills Dooku early on in episode 3. Anakin is the ultimate Sith. Even when young, Palpatine, who is immensly powerful, admits that Skywalker is perhaps more powerful than even he.

hm..I'd hav3 t0 say GG. Sure Maul can use the force and all that, but GG is faster and skilled with the lightsaber.

yeah...faster.... ........

He might be equally as fast and equally as skilled with a saber. He punked so many Jedi in the clone wars cartoon

darth maul "punked" hundereds in EU.

Darth Maul wins by the use of the force. But in a lightsaber duel without the force he loses.

ur freakin crazy, maul is so much better both ways.

yep darth maul is better with saber, he would destroy GG even without force, althou i dont really see why he wouldnt use it, as it is a great advantage over GG

thank you.

not takin anything away from GG, but he wuld get rocked.

Maul would kick gg's ass, it wldn't even be a contest.

Originally posted by jackstain
darth maul "punked" hundereds in EU.

I remember him "punking" only about 2... And who's to say that Maul is better if we have not even seen Episode Three yet...

ummm, have you ever fought before with any kind of staff?

extremely difficult to defend urself with actually. a sword (or 1 sided saber) is FAR! superior in defence then a staff is. especially a staff where the middle cannot be used for defence. the saber-staffs greatest flaw is defence, it loses defence for offence.

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
I remember him "punking" only about 2... And who's to say that Maul is better if we have not even seen Episode Three yet...


well you obviously haven't been reading enough.

maul suks grievous cod kil him if he was blind

Grievous could win this, all he would need to do is get maul to try and block his attack or block one of Mauls... It would be Maul his dead, and he can fight well enough for something like that to happen

yr all crazy GG could kil maul easy

well u cant even spell, so ur opinion doesnt count.

Yeah thats a good argument...

it is

Originally posted by jackstain
well you obviously haven't been reading enough.

Well, I read his comic mini-series, Darth Mauls journal and Shadow Hunter... So I have read quite a bit. Please, if you will, show me where he kills hundreds of Jedi...

GG owns maul, maul is way overrated by EU lovers.

Maul almost defeated two jedi master while Greivious only fought Ki Adi and 4 other losers that didn't even really put up a fight. Maul could've offed them in 5 minutes with more bloodshed.

GG no problem

ya, GG dies with no problem

uh ya

just checkin out sumthin

When does DM kill hundreds of Jedi, jackstain?

i said he punked hundereds...not hundereds of jedi.

Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
He might be equally as fast and equally as skilled with a saber. He punked so many Jedi in the clone wars cartoon
Originally posted by jackstain
darth maul "punked" hundereds in EU.

It was only natural to assume you meant Jedi...

I was thkning about it today and thought it would be nearly exactly even. then Maul would gain the upper hand, get overconfident and lose. Then I thought some more. I suddenly realised, wiondering how Grievous could beat Maul, that the only reason Obi-Wan even had trouble with Grievous was because he lost his lightsaber. At the beginning he cut Grievous's arm's off with ease. If he hadn't lost his Saber he wouldn't have even had trouble. So now I'm saying Maul would just cut off his arms and kill him. Yes, Maul would win. it would be extremely close, though.

ALthough it would be a good fight with out mace crushing his chest, i think gg would get killed by maul.

GG let me down in the movies.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
Maul almost defeated two jedi master while Greivious only fought Ki Adi and 4 other losers that didn't even really put up a fight. Maul could've offed them in 5 minutes with more bloodshed.

Correction, Maul killed Qui-Gon, a Jedi Master, and was felled by Obi-Wan who was a Padawan learner. Seondly, Shaak Ti and the Twi-Leki who survived were also Jedi Masters. It would be close battle, but I think Grievous would win, The saber staff, while being exotic, would only hold of two sabers, Grievous could use his lower arms to stab Maul while holding him off. But it would depend on health, location, and situation really.

Maul would win hands down. GG Can't use the force to see things before they happen like a Sith.

Maul would kick gg's ass. GG was crap.

Originally posted by Jedi_KnightAlly
Maul would kick gg's ass. GG was crap.

Agreed. Not even worth Maul's time.

Originally posted by Cascador
Yeah I saw a comic once, where Maul nearly defeats Vader...Vader got one lucky shot by stabbing himself right through his stumach which also hitted Maul...But does that mean Maul is stronger than Vader? I don't think so.

Excuse me but that battle is chronologically impossible . Maul died when Anakin was only a child !!!

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
GG owns maul, maul is way overrated by EU lovers.

This coming from the person that thinks any character in the movies like C-3PO should automatically win against any EU characters like Darth Revan or Kyle Katarn.

Maul's a Sith Lord, trained all his life since he was born. He is incredibly impressive in MANY skills but he does have an arrogance flaw, though it's not as bad as Anakin imo. G.G. never uses the Force, even with 4 lightsabers, (two of them twirling like a helicopter blade) Obi still stopped him with ease. Maul wouldn't have much trouble against Grievous.

Well he would have a lot more trouble then Obi did. Maul can not compare to Rots Obi

After watching ROTS, I'm gonna have to say Maul will win. GG really didn't impress me at all. Obi-Wan finished him off in no time.

Originally posted by Fishy
Well he would have a lot more trouble then Obi did. Maul can not compare to Rots Obi

No, Maul can't compare with ROTS Obi but G.G. would still be like a walk in the park for Maul.

Yeah Maul could beat him

Remember Maul would be over 10 years older by rots so who know's how powerful he would have become

Maul is so good...nobody recognizes he could beat Dooku. Read "Shadow Hunter" he has been raised in the dark arts since he was a toddler. His extreme hatred for the Jedi has been planted in him by Sidious since childhood.

He was training to tbe the best warrior in the galaxy, he knew martial arts, superb sword fighting skills, lightening fast, intelligent, his only downfall is his hatred, it clouded his judgement at the end of TPM when he was toying with Obi. He beat both Qui-Gon and Obi Wan....He lost to HIMSELF

He would have chopped all Grevious's limbs off (just like Obi) in a couple seconds then destroyed him a lot faster than Obi did.

Maul was trained by fighting machines like Grevious, except three-four at a time! Oh yeah, Maul would have beat Anakin too.

Oh yeah, if Maul was only 20 years old in TPM, by ROTS he would own all the jedi.

The history of the double bladed lightsaber is interesting, it takes VERY EXCEPTIONAL skill to even attempt to use it, since too many that have tried have killed themself accidently

I think the general would have the upper hand in this one

Originally posted by Lord Neix
I think the general would have the upper hand in this one
Why? Just because?

Obi took care of Grievious without barely breaking a sweat and assuming that both Obi and Maul probably would've matured equally and considering how easily Maul took care of Obi it would've been no problem.

Grievious comes after Maul. Maul stands there, then spins, parrys, hacks off an arm or two, then spins once again taking out his legs then shoves the saber threw Grievious's forehead. Then goes "What *****!"

GRIEVOUS

Watch the Clone Wars miniseries..... You will see how BadAss GG is...

grievous would take down maul in 1 second. the reason obi beat grievous so easily is because mace crushed his chest, giving him coughing fits. therefore he wasnt as mobile as he once was

Ya know what, yeah, if Maul had lived by the time of ROTS he'd beat GG like GG's nothing. Is that what we're going on, if Maul had lived? Of are we going on if we took Maul out of TPM and GG out of ROTS and placed them in a room who would win between that version of Maul and that version of GG? I was under the impression it was the second of the 2. And folks, I'm going with Maul but Maul wouldn't own GG. Those of you who say GG would win, it'd be so close of a battle I can see your reasoning but he wouldn't take Maul out in a second Sheesh! Maul's not all powerful. neither is GG. Neither would dominate over the other. it's be extremely close.

WEll after seeing the movie id say the maul wins
did you see how easy obi wan killed the generals lightsabers
like come on his guards did beta than him with those sticks lol

The cartoons totally exaggerate GG. He is not strong with the force his only gimmick is the 4 arms. Read my post carefully!!! Maul was raised and trained fighting 4 machines like GG at once!! Maul's speed, strength, force ability, and intelligence aided him to defeat thos machines.

Here's something else to think about, after reading all 3 prequels, it has become apparent that Sidious was using Dooku as a pawn the whole time, he wasn't as satisfied as he was with Maul, who he mentored and nurtured for almost 20 years. He saw the natural ability and power in Maul just as he did in Anakin.

He really didn't give a damn about Dooku or Post suit Vader, the most powerful and potential Sith we have seen in Star Wars movies are Vader pre-suit, Maul, and of course Sidious.

How can GG even compare?

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
Why? Just because?

Obi took care of Grievious without barely breaking a sweat and assuming that both Obi and Maul probably would've matured equally and considering how easily Maul took care of Obi it would've been no problem.



Ok, Maul is a great sith warrior. Well trained, awesome flexibility and all that. Grievous took on five jedi and defeated them. His able to use lightsabers with his feet too. His unorthodox style of fighting was a match for even experienced jedi masters. But grievous has no force abilities neither have i seen Maul's. Obi took on a weaken yet formitable GG. Remember Clone wars, Windu used the force to crake up GG. That is why we see a coughing GG in RoTs. Clone war series in the "in-betweens" of AoTc and RoTs.

I personally think that in Ep I, Maul was slightly misrepresented.

Take Darth Vasallo's well stated input as to Maul's ability: He is a PHENOMENAL sith (err... WAS). The problem with everyone's skewed view of Maul is that he was the "hafta die" villain in EP I. Just watch his death scene: Maul's saber was DOWN for almost four seconds, after NON STOP dual saber rocking against Qui Gon. Someone had to win, and it was OBVIOUSLY not going to be Maul. SO, he just "HADTA DIE"... (ya like how I swung that tangent back around to the main point? yeah, me too)
Grievous went down like Glass Joe from Punch-Out in Ep III... after first running like a jackass twice from Obi Wan. Of course, Grievous also applies to my "Hafta Die" villain theory as well...
But Darth Maul kicks way more ass....

MAUL!

If Grievious so good why does he run from Obi-Wan and why would he get his arms cut off so easily if he's such a badass?

I agree, the only reason maul didn't use any force in the first place is because GL wants to make the movie interesting.
What fun would it be if maul just pushed him off the clift?

Oh come on what kind of reasoning is that? That Jedi youngling would have killed all Clone troopers in the galaxy if it wasn't for GL trying to connect the movies more with the OT...

Maul died, GL made him die so easily because thats apparently how powerful he thought Maul was.

no Fishy,

Maul had to die because he would have interfered with th rest of the Storyline. In any case, Maul would annihilate GG....as well as Dooku. If anything he was too good to continue...and the good die young.

let's put it this way, for his age he was better than any Jedi so imagine how good he would become by AOTC or ROTS.

'nuff said

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
no Fishy,

Maul had to die because he would have interfered with th rest of the Storyline. In any case, Maul would annihilate GG....as well as Dooku. If anything he was too good to continue...and the good die young.

let's put it this way, for his age he was better than any Jedi so imagine how good he would become by AOTC or ROTS.

'nuff said Quoted for truthery.

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
for his age he was better than any Jedi of same age

i think that's what you meant, cause i just KNOW you weren't talking bout him vs. yoda

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
i think that's what you meant, cause i just KNOW you weren't talking bout him vs. yoda

~wickerman~

def not better than Yoda....but could have been

They both have flaws and qualities.

Darth Maul:
-Double bladed lightsaber. No offense, but it's kinda cheap in a fight against jedi with one.
-He is an Assassin. He isn't supposed to go out and kill Jedi head on, he is supposed to sneak attack.
-He is the coolest looking Zabrakian ever. Don't even try to tell me different.
-He was very talented in his ways of saber fighting. Too bad Obi put him out with another one of his stupid hanging-to-the-cliff kills.

General Grievous:
-Four Lightsabers. For christs sake! Who needs that many?
-He's a General. He wasn't really meant to saber fight. Dooku trained him on spare time.
-He is fairly cool looking, but he has got some really shitty lung problems.
-He was a good saber fighter, but you know Kenobi, he had to deal out another hanging-to-the-cliff shot to his lungs. Stupid Obi wan.


I honestly have to say, after a close analysis, that Darth Maul would put Grievous six feet under.

I'm agree

-Double bladed lightsaber. No offense, but it's kinda cheap in a fight against jedi with one.
How so? He is strong enough he is able to use it to take on 2 Jedi at once. It really doesn't help if your only fighting one Jedi. When he fought Qui-Gon on Tatioone he only used one side and he didn't deactivate a side during the Duel of Fates because it was just already out and he didn't bother to turn it off. When his saber got cut in 1/2 he didn't start doing worse.
-He is an Assassin. He isn't supposed to go out and kill Jedi head on, he is supposed to sneak attack.
he is a weapon of the Sith, created to destroy Jedi. Who says he isn't supposed to kill them head on? Casue that's exactly what he's supposed to do. He isn't a Bounty Hunter.
-Four Lightsabers. For christs sake! Who needs that many?
1. Do not use the lord's name in vain.
2. Grievous needs that many so he can fight multiple Jedi at once.
-He's a General. He wasn't really meant to saber fight. Dooku trained him on spare time.
No, he was programmed to fight. I got this from Labrinth of Evil, which is official. You need to quit saying things that are wrong. I have no idea where you got this information, maybe supershadow.com (he's a major fraud and has no connection to Lucas, btw)?
-He was a good saber fighter, but you know Kenobi, he had to deal out another hanging-to-the-cliff shot to his lungs. Stupid Obi wan.
Yeah but at least GG died fair and square. i mean, honestly, Obi-Wan had the advantage in that duel the entire time. With Maul it was different.

I'm pretty sure in the movie he said that Dooku had "showed him some things". Was GG a jedi before he got axed and turned into a droid?

I think that is the best point for who wins. The whole time maul fought obi maul had the advantage but GG never had the advantage against obi hence GG not having anymore arms.

word....Maul wins, end of story

maul because 1st, he has the best lightsaber.2nd lightsaber style ,3rd he killed jon jin,4th he uses force,5th he does not cough like my grandfather (who is old and has asmia) and grevious got those lightsabers from ebay

Originally posted by Darth_Nihilus
maul because 1st, he has the best lightsaber.2nd lightsaber style ,3rd he killed jon jin,4th he uses force,5th he does not cough like my grandfather (who is old and has asmia) and grevious got those lightsabers from ebay

I know you were just joking, but you guys DO know the reason GG is coughing is because Windu crushed his chest right? I'd sure love to see Maul fight with a crushed chest

~wickerman~

Originally posted by darthsith19
-Double bladed lightsaber. No offense, but it's kinda cheap in a fight against jedi with one.
How so? He is strong enough he is able to use it to take on 2 Jedi at once. It really doesn't help if your only fighting one Jedi. When he fought Qui-Gon on Tatioone he only used one side and he didn't deactivate a side during the Duel of Fates because it was just already out and he didn't bother to turn it off. When his saber got cut in 1/2 he didn't start doing worse.
-He is an Assassin. He isn't supposed to go out and kill Jedi head on, he is supposed to sneak attack.
he is a weapon of the Sith, created to destroy Jedi. Who says he isn't supposed to kill them head on? Casue that's exactly what he's supposed to do. He isn't a Bounty Hunter.
-Four Lightsabers. For christs sake! Who needs that many?
1. Do not use the lord's name in vain.
2. Grievous needs that many so he can fight multiple Jedi at once.
-He's a General. He wasn't really meant to saber fight. Dooku trained him on spare time.
No, he was programmed to fight. I got this from Labrinth of Evil, which is official. You need to quit saying things that are wrong. I have no idea where you got this information, maybe supershadow.com (he's a major fraud and has no connection to Lucas, btw)?
-He was a good saber fighter, but you know Kenobi, he had to deal out another hanging-to-the-cliff shot to his lungs. Stupid Obi wan.
Yeah but at least GG died fair and square. i mean, honestly, Obi-Wan had the advantage in that duel the entire time. With Maul it was different.

Ok, for one, a double bladed lightsaber is the cheapest creation since the nuclear warhead. for seconds, If you listen closely or if your not retarded, on episode 3 general grievous TELLS Kenobi that Dooku trained him. And sure, he was a weapon of the sith, but he was like an Assassin, as most apprentices are like. They get sent out to kill people. And anyone with half decent training doesn't need four sabers to kill a whole bunch of jedi. Look at Anakin in the Jedi library! C'mon, buddy!

And i'll try not to use the lords name in vain for holy christs sakes. Jesus!

Originally posted by Wickerman
I know you were just joking, but you guys DO know the reason GG is coughing is because Windu crushed his chest right? I'd sure love to see Maul fight with a crushed chest

~wickerman~

yeah but Maul wouldn't let mace crush his chest. Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced if they met during the Clone Wars.

GG's a wuss

Originally posted by LordSorgo
Ok, for one, a double bladed lightsaber is the cheapest creation since the nuclear warhead. for seconds, If you listen closely or if your not retarded, on episode 3 general grievous TELLS Kenobi that Dooku trained him. And sure, he was a weapon of the sith, but he was like an Assassin, as most apprentices are like. They get sent out to kill people. And anyone with half decent training doesn't need four sabers to kill a whole bunch of jedi. Look at Anakin in the Jedi library! C'mon, buddy!

And i'll try not to use the lords name in vain for holy christs sakes. Jesus!

A Dual bladed lightsaber is not cheap...Anything that takes extreme dedication and skill to master is NOT cheap. Nuclear weapons...gimme a break - horrible analogy. Nuclear weapons are not mean for confrontation

Maul could use a single bladed lightsaber and still whoop ass. He just happens to be good enough to use a dual

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
yeah but Maul wouldn't let mace crush his chest. Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced if they met during the Clone Wars.

GG's a wuss

I can understand you like Maul. He's cool as hell, i agree. But you're going WAY too far with the "Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced" thing. Please tell me you don't really believe that.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
I can understand you like Maul. He's cool as hell, i agree. But you're going WAY too far with the "Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced" thing. Please tell me you don't really believe that.

~wickerman~

Mace would be sliced and dice? Since when? You think Darth Maul could take the Macemiester? Ok, time for a poll.

"During Clone Wars" that's if he lived for 10 more years, which if he did, Maul would have very powerful Dark force powers....he did defeat a Jedi Master and the great Obi-Wan.

I can see him beating Mace if he lived on.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
Mace would be sliced and dice? Since when? You think Darth Maul could take the Macemiester? Ok, time for a poll.

i never said anything that crazy. I was just responding to vasallo.

""During Clone Wars" that's if he lived for 10 more years, which if he did, Maul would have very powerful Dark force powers....he did defeat a Jedi Master and the great Obi-Wan.

I can see him beating Mace if he lived on."

K...first of all, you can't compare qui-gon with Mace. Second of all, that was PADDAWAN Obi-wan, not Jedi Knight or Jedi Master Obi-Wan.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
"During Clone Wars" that's if he lived for 10 more years, which if he did, Maul would have very powerful Dark force powers....he did defeat a Jedi Master and the great Obi-Wan.

I can see him beating Mace if he lived on.

He defeated Obi? since when? Was that before or after Obi flipped over him and chopped his ass in half?

Originally posted by LordSorgo
He defeated Obi? since when? Was that before or after Obi flipped over him and chopped his ass in half?

Before he flipped over and chopped him on half.

Maul beat him...then beat himself with his arrogance....a trait common to the new generation of jedi.

And Qui-Gon had more knowledge of the force than mace did....he found a path towards immortality and didn't confine himself to understand one aspect of the force like Mace did. Qui-GOn was a rebel in the Jedi community, that's why he never made it to the council.

That is why in the OT the way of learning the force evolved - because of Qui-Gon, Yoda became his padawan learner during ROTS. Qui-Gon taught both Obi-Wan, who has done some azaming work and the great Yoda. Mace has a bald head and a purple lightsaber...

What I am saying is this: Maul would have become extremely powerful if he lived another 10 years. Points:

1. He was already the best warrior in the galaxy and killed 4 Jedi (3 others right before TPM)

2. In Sidious eyes was worthy enough to dedicate 20 years of mentoring, which shows that Sid thought he would become more powerful than he, as many Sith sought stronger apprentices.

3. Mace is overrated! Sid was toying with him in ROTS to get Anakin to turn. Imagine a Maul with 15 more years dueling with Mace....yes Mace would be toast!

.

maul has it easily i think. maul is a kick ass saber fighter, and he has his agilitya nd stuff. grevious aint that good, only advantage is he has 4 blades. obi totally dominated him, he had to run away. maul could take him easily in my mind

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
Before he flipped over and chopped him on half.

Maul beat him...then beat himself with his arrogance....a trait common to the new generation of jedi.

And Qui-Gon had more knowledge of the force than mace did....he found a path towards immortality and didn't confine himself to understand one aspect of the force like Mace did. Qui-GOn was a rebel in the Jedi community, that's why he never made it to the council.

That is why in the OT the way of learning the force evolved - because of Qui-Gon, Yoda became his padawan learner during ROTS. Qui-Gon taught both Obi-Wan, who has done some azaming work and the great Yoda. Mace has a bald head and a purple lightsaber...

What I am saying is this: Maul would have become extremely powerful if he lived another 10 years. Points:

1. He was already the best warrior in the galaxy and killed 4 Jedi (3 others right before TPM)

2. In Sidious eyes was worthy enough to dedicate 20 years of mentoring, which shows that Sid thought he would become more powerful than he, as many Sith sought stronger apprentices.

3. Mace is overrated! Sid was toying with him in ROTS to get Anakin to turn. Imagine a Maul with 15 more years dueling with Mace....yes Mace would be toast!

Oh my good lord... For one, Maul is DEAD! He isn't gonna live another ten years, because Obi wan chopped him in half, okay? For second, Sidious was toying with no one, Mace knocked him down and was ready to seal his fate when Anakin decided to plop in the room and chop his hands off like a cheap bastard. I guarentee if Mace and Anakin got in a fair fight, Anakin would have met his fate. But instead, Mace got his ass launched 50 feet out of a damned window. Maul was not the best warrior in the galaxy! That is such an overstatement! And you continue to miss the point. Maul with 15 years? HE IS FOCKING DEAD! And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
Oh my good lord... For one, Maul is DEAD! He isn't gonna live another ten years, because Obi wan chopped him in half, okay? For second, Sidious was toying with no one, Mace knocked him down and was ready to seal his fate when Anakin decided to plop in the room and chop his hands off like a cheap bastard. I guarentee if Mace and Anakin got in a fair fight, Anakin would have met his fate. But instead, Mace got his ass launched 50 feet out of a damned window. Maul was not the best warrior in the galaxy! That is such an overstatement! And you continue to miss the point. Maul with 15 years? HE IS FOCKING DEAD! And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.

read carefully before responding...seriously. This is all a WHAT IF forum. About GG vs. maul....Maul would win.

Now someone said GG would lose only because Mace crushed his chest, imagine how Maul would fare if Mace crushed his chest.

My response: GG and Mace met during the Clone Wars. Both of their powers are greatly exaggerated in the cartoon. But GG has no strength with the force therefore was not able to force block anything. Maul if faced Mace during the Clone wars would have been 10 years older with even more power and skill...considering he has defeated so many jedi already 10 years before, he would beat Mace in a very awesome duel.

This is all HYPOTHETICAL. Of course Maul was killed, he had to be....he was too powerful, too arrogant, and would have interfered with future storylines....he is the James Dean of Sith

And the whole Mace vs. Sidious thing: Mace is a very strong Jedi but he is not as strong with the force as Yoda. Sid planned the whole thing, why else would he eleminate the 3 other Jedi Masters and toy with Mace. He knew that Anakin would disobey Mace and go anyway, and he knew that if he beat Mace while Anakin walked in the door, he would have to face both of them....but if Anakin was given a choice...a crucial choice to pick his love for Padme or the Jedi Council (who have been frustrating him since TPM) it would be imperative to turn him. Sid is truly the epitome of the ideal Sith...cool, calculating, sectretive, and decieving.

Sidious got lucky. Your giving him too much credit because he didn't know all that shit.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
Sidious got lucky. Your giving him too much credit because he didn't know all that shit.

All Siths have their special talent, Sids was to forsee events and manipulate people and outcomes to benefit himself.

I mean this guy planned on creating the Clone Wars, becoming Chancellor, AND turning Anakin.

He knew Mace was coming!!! ANakin told Sid he was telling the Jedi Council

I'm pretty sure in the movie he said that Dooku had "showed him some things". Was GG a jedi before he got axed and turned into a droid?
He used Grievous. To long of a story to tell, you can read Labrinth of Evil to get an entire background on Grievous. He was never a Jedi and can't use the Force.
I know you were just joking, but you guys DO know the reason GG is coughing is because Windu crushed his chest right?
This is not true. George Lucas says he had Grievous cough to show that he wasn't a droid. It being because Mace kicked Grievous is a rumor that nearly all fans now believe to be true. Truthfully Mace never crushed GG's chest. That's the microseries. labrinth of Evil contridicts the Microseries and, I hate to tell you, Labrinth of Evil is more official, more canon.
Ok, for one, a double bladed lightsaber is the cheapest creation since the nuclear warhead.
How, tell me, how is a double bladed lightsaber cheap?
for seconds, If you listen closely or if your not retarded, on episode 3 general grievous TELLS Kenobi that Dooku trained him.
1. Don't call me retarded you stupid dumbass!
2. I kiow Dooku trained GG! But he did not do it on spare time!
And sure, he was a weapon of the sith, but he was like an Assassin, as most apprentices are like. They get sent out to kill people.
Maul was not trained to sneak up on Jedi. he was trained purely to do whatever Sidious told him to and was trained primarily in fighting. If you could please tell me where you heard he was supposed to sneak up on Jedi I would appreciate it.
And anyone with half decent training doesn't need four sabers to kill a whole bunch of jedi. Look at Anakin in the Jedi library!
Yeah, but using four lightsabers helps, espically if you don't have the useful ability to use the Force. Anakin couldn't use 4 lightsabers because
A. he only has 2 arms
B. he was trained to fight with 1
I can understand you like Maul. He's cool as hell, i agree. But you're going WAY too far with the "Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced" thing. Please tell me you don't really believe that.
Mace'd beat Maul if they fought in TPM, but, if Maul had lived to fight in the Clone Wars, he would have been strong enough to defeat Windu.
And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.
Mace did live 13 years later than Maul. If Maul and Grievous switched roles Grievous would be dead and Maul would be the Sith Lord all through the OT.

Now for my stand on Maul vs. Mace: I heard Maul was 22 in TPM. That's the same age Anakin was in ROTS. GL says Anakin was as strong as Sidious. That maeans he was at 1/2 his potential, since his potential is twice the power of Sidious. Maul probably progressed the same way as Anakin, meaning he would be at about 1/2 his potential. Can you imagine Maul if he were twice as strong as he was in TPM? Then I think he'd be stronger than Sidious.

Now for my stand on Maul vs. Mace: I heard Maul was 22 in TPM. That's the same age Anakin was in ROTS. GL says Anakin was as strong as Sidious. That maeans he was at 1/2 his potential, since his potential is twice the power of Sidious. Maul probably progressed the same way as Anakin, meaning he would be at about 1/2 his potential. Can you imagine Maul if he were twice as strong as he was in TPM? Then I think he'd be stronger than Sidious.

That math seems wrong considering Anakin was the chosen one. Don't get me wrong Maul would've been very strong but I don't think he would have progressed as fast as Anakin. Anakin could've become a Jedi Master in less than 10 years I'd say and I don't think Maul could do that. If he'd have survived TPM then we would've become a badass but eventually been betrayed by Sidious. That actually should've happened.

Originally posted by darthsith19
I'm pretty sure in the movie he said that Dooku had "showed him some things". Was GG a jedi before he got axed and turned into a droid?
He used Grievous. To long of a story to tell, you can read Labrinth of Evil to get an entire background on Grievous. He was never a Jedi and can't use the Force.
I know you were just joking, but you guys DO know the reason GG is coughing is because Windu crushed his chest right?
This is not true. George Lucas says he had Grievous cough to show that he wasn't a droid. It being because Mace kicked Grievous is a rumor that nearly all fans now believe to be true. Truthfully Mace never crushed GG's chest. That's the microseries. labrinth of Evil contridicts the Microseries and, I hate to tell you, Labrinth of Evil is more official, more canon.
Ok, for one, a double bladed lightsaber is the cheapest creation since the nuclear warhead.
How, tell me, how is a double bladed lightsaber cheap?
for seconds, If you listen closely or if your not retarded, on episode 3 general grievous TELLS Kenobi that Dooku trained him.
1. Don't call me retarded you stupid dumbass!
2. I kiow Dooku trained GG! But he did not do it on spare time!
And sure, he was a weapon of the sith, but he was like an Assassin, as most apprentices are like. They get sent out to kill people.
Maul was not trained to sneak up on Jedi. he was trained purely to do whatever Sidious told him to and was trained primarily in fighting. If you could please tell me where you heard he was supposed to sneak up on Jedi I would appreciate it.
And anyone with half decent training doesn't need four sabers to kill a whole bunch of jedi. Look at Anakin in the Jedi library!
Yeah, but using four lightsabers helps, espically if you don't have the useful ability to use the Force. Anakin couldn't use 4 lightsabers because
A. he only has 2 arms
B. he was trained to fight with 1
I can understand you like Maul. He's cool as hell, i agree. But you're going WAY too far with the "Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced" thing. Please tell me you don't really believe that.
Mace'd beat Maul if they fought in TPM, but, if Maul had lived to fight in the Clone Wars, he would have been strong enough to defeat Windu.
And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.
Mace did live 13 years later than Maul. If Maul and Grievous switched roles Grievous would be dead and Maul would be the Sith Lord all through the OT.

Now for my stand on Maul vs. Mace: I heard Maul was 22 in TPM. That's the same age Anakin was in ROTS. GL says Anakin was as strong as Sidious. That maeans he was at 1/2 his potential, since his potential is twice the power of Sidious. Maul probably progressed the same way as Anakin, meaning he would be at about 1/2 his potential. Can you imagine Maul if he were twice as strong as he was in TPM? Then I think he'd be stronger than Sidious.

Stronger than Sidious? Do you have ANY idea how strong sidious is? He takes entities later on when he dies. He is nuts, and besides, we all know Obi Wan ripped his shit up so he's dead anyways. Who cares.

How is a double bladed lightsaber cheap? I'll tell you why, it make take more training to master but when your fighting a single jedi with two sides and the Jedi only has one (reference to Obi Wan after qui dies) that's pretty damn cheap, but Maul is from the darkside and the darksiders are cheap bastards.

He didn't train Grievous on his spare time? NOW HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU KNOW?!!? Let me guess, you were there when Dooku trained Grievous? Holy CHRIST! How do you know Maul progressed the same way Anakin did? Is this another assumption? Ah fock it, i'm done with you.

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
All Siths have their special talent, Sids was to forsee events and manipulate people and outcomes to benefit himself.

I mean this guy planned on creating the Clone Wars, becoming Chancellor, AND turning Anakin.

He knew Mace was coming!!! ANakin told Sid he was telling the Jedi Council

Oh my god, Sidious won out of sheer luck and timing. If it weren't for Anakin walking in the room, Sidious would have been Sushi. For christ sakes, he practically begged for his life until Anakin came.

Mace would have owned Sidious. Bottom line. And maybe if Mace didn't die such a horribly stupid death, he would have kicked both Anakin and Sidious ass. For real.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
I'm pretty sure in the movie he said that Dooku had "showed him some things". Was GG a jedi before he got axed and turned into a droid?

I think that is the best point for who wins. The whole time maul fought obi maul had the advantage but GG never had the advantage against obi hence GG not having anymore arms.


GG was at a disadvantage cos of what Mace did to him in the clone wars. And no GG was not a jedi. Dooku trained him in free time. GG in him peak could fight 5 jedi but in epi iii he was not in his peak. go watch clone wars, click the 320*163

http://www.starwars.com/clonewars/microseries/chapter/22.html

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
If he'd have survived TPM then we would've become a badass but eventually been betrayed by Sidious. That actually should've happened.

now that would have been really really cool