Terminator Picture Thread

Konjammenson

http://www.starving-artists.net/galleries/jeeves/dj10--the-terminator.jpg

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/oracle/arnie.jpg

http://www.sciam.ru/2004/10/img/terminator.jpg

the more i look at this one, the more i like it for some reason....
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/konjammenson/untitled.bmp

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/konjammenson/burningearth.bmp

i see you like this one too tfp, i have used this on an avatar at another board for a while. its also my walpaper. its sweet.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/konjammenson/1z9jrd.jpg

TheFilmProphet

Originally posted by Konjammenson
i see you like this one too tfp, i have used this on an avatar at another board for a while. its also my walpaper. its sweet.

Yeah I think the art is great on that because it was done so well is seems like a picture instead of a painting, I've had it saved on my comp for months now.

And nice pic alic.

TMACalicious

That "Terminator: Redemption" box cover is an awesome picture. I love it. Too bad the game had to be a flop tho...

Konjammenson

Ya. I played that game and I just had to put the controller down after five minutes.

TheFilmProphet

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vvvrulz

Very nice pics there !

Particularly the out-take with Rob Patrick, Cameron and Arnie.

TheFilmProphet

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

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TMACalicious

lol, good ol' Robert Patrick looks like the comedian on set! stick out tongue

man, how i wish to own one of those life-size endoskeletons. that would make me very happy lol big grin

Konjammenson

Originally posted by TMACalicious
man, how i wish to own one of those life-size endoskeletons. that would make me very happy lol big grin

Same here. I want one so so bad!

TheFilmProphet

I've wanted one since I first saw a Terminator movie, lol.

TheFilmProphet

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TMACalicious

LOL Stunt doubles. The one on the left looks a lot like Arnie.

But both of them aren't as built as Arnie though lol

TheFilmProphet

The stuntman on the left actually had special makeup applied to his face in order to make him look more like Arnold since basically nobody has facial features similar to his. Also, that stuntman is the same person who performed Arnold's stunts in T2 (The pictures are from 'T2 3-D: Battle Across Time' if you didn't know that).

Konjammenson

One thing that has ALWAYS irritated me in T2 is the part where the Terminator rides his motorcycle off the top and down into the canal. You can see the double so obviously, and to boot it's in slow-motion. So you get a real good long look at an imposter! When they try to go back to arnold you see his bike bump real quick after a sharp switch. It's just not smooth at all.

TMACalicious

lol I never noticed the fact that it was a stunt double on the motorbike! I'll look out for it next time i watch my T2 DVD. Maybe even keep it on pause a few times so i can catch a good look at this imposter lol

Cheers for that Konjammenson!

vvvrulz

LOL !!

Stunt doubles !
TFP, you deserve a medal for these pics.

TheFilmProphet

Thanks, lol

Originally posted by Konjammenson
One thing that has ALWAYS irritated me in T2 is the part where the Terminator rides his motorcycle off the top and down into the canal. You can see the double so obviously, and to boot it's in slow-motion. So you get a real good long look at an imposter! When they try to go back to arnold you see his bike bump real quick after a sharp switch. It's just not smooth at all.

You know, actually that is probably the only scene or moment in the entire film of T2 that bothers me. The stuntman (Peter Kent) that is seen below is the same one from the earlier pictures. He did Arnie's stunts in Terminator, Commando, Raw Deal, Predator, The Running Man, Red Heat, Twins, Total Recall, Kindergarten Cop, T2, Last Action Hero, True Lies, T2:3D, Eraser, and finally Jingle All The Way.

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TheFilmProphet

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TMACalicious

Now that's what I call makeup! Personally, i reckon it's much better than the CGI battle damaged Arnie they had in T3 (the CGI made Arnie look like an asian lol), altho the endoskeleton eye doesn't move at all in T2, but who's noticing! It's GREAT!

TFP, you continue to amaze me on how you find all these marvelous pictures that just go to show how truly great T2 was and will continue to be.

TheFilmProphet

Thanks Tmac, and I'm not going to stop anytime soon. happy

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Konjammenson

I like those glitching photos. I wish they would have left the glitching in the release theatrical version.

vvvrulz

Yeah that was a very stupid move, sometimes the editing really makes no sense to me, not just with this movie.

Konjammenson

When T2 was finished it was over 3 hours long. They had to cout A LOT of stuff to get it down to a decent time. I couldn't agree more with the scenes they got rid of; the finished product was excellent. But the glitching should have been left in. It really wouldn't have taken THAT MUCH more time. We are talking about short couple second clips here. I also don't understand this move because when the T1000 is walking around in the steel mill we see a quick flash go all the way down his body. It looks like a small wave. That wave is actually a glitch, but it doesn't fit with there being no other scenes of glitching. I think this makes it hard for the audience to understand that the T1000 isn't functioning correctly after having been smashed.

vvvrulz

It also made John Conner distinguishing from the T-1000 and the real Sarah Conner more realistic, as that was due to a glitch also.

TMACalicious

I actually thought the small wave thing run down his body you're referring to was the T-1000 checking himself for errors or something :s

But i agree, they should've kept the glitching scenes, esp. the one where he tries to imitate Sarah Connor, i reckon the glitching part they left out of that scene was crucial.

TheFilmProphet

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TheFilmProphet

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The picture below was done by a fan.

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TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

Hey, how long do you have to be a user of these forums before you can post URLs, because I wanted to post some images, but it won't let me.

TheFilmProphet

Originally posted by chriscaffee
Hey, how long do you have to be a user of these forums before you can post URLs, because I wanted to post some images, but it won't let me.

The time that you are a member doesn't matter, the number of posts that you make is what will eventually enable you to post links and such items.

I'm not overwhelmingly sure, but I believe that perhaps after either 50 or 100 posts you should able to post these things. The reason they have this rule set is to avoid spammers and advertisers.

TheFilmProphet

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Clearly a stunt double, Edward too.

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Stunt double!

TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

"12-Gauge Autoloader"

http://img290.echo.cx/img290/2381/t1screen019mr.png

"The forty-five long slide with laser sighting."

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"The Uzi nine-millimeter."

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vvvrulz

Gotta love those T1 stills !

chriscaffee

I'm glad you like them. I'll post some T3 pics then. I need to get some more T2 screens, but I haven't figured out exactly the shots I want yet.

Since a lot of people hate T3, let's start with some TX ownage!

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TMACalicious

LOL OWNED!!!!

She's the hottest Terminator yet though stick out tongue

vvvrulz

Originally posted by TMACalicious
LOL OWNED!!!!

She's the hottest Terminator yet though stick out tongue

Well i'd be very worried if anyone here thought otherwise !

TheFilmProphet

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TheFilmProphet

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TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

Not enough T1 love, so here is some more:

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8629/t1screen079pf.png

This makeup is a lot better then the one in T2. The lighting helps alot so you can't see the details that well. In T2 if you look carefully enough you can see that the mechanism is quite fake because there aren't any gaps between the jaw and the skull just black material. It's easy to see in the intense light of the steel mill. Also the eye moves a lot more in T1, or at least is positioned so it fits with the actor's real eye. In T2 the eye was moveable but they kept it stationary for the most part because they couldn't synch it up right with Arnie's real eye. Go figure.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/122/t1screen084yt.png

The animatronic head is what really sells the effect. When you get a few close ups of the skin literally ripped off the jaw and you can not only see the pistons that move the jaw, but also teeth underneath the skin, you can really forget that's its a bunch of make up and a dummy head.

All in all, Arnie with blown off face looks best in T1, followed by T3, and last is T2. T3 would have been better, but the proportions look a bit off, which is weird because with CG they could have literally made it perfect.

vvvrulz

Great detail was put into those heads, and I agree with you, it looks more realistic in T1 than the rest. I thought the T3 one looks very odd, too unrealistic, too much CGI.

When will they start to realise, CGI isnt always the answer !!

chriscaffee

Well I'll give you this, you walk into the theater knowing it was CG, but at the same time, it doesn't have that "fake" quality that most CG has. The blend was really good and the effect itself is actually better. The reason the T1 version is more plausible is the proportions. The Terminator skull just doesn't seem to fit Arnold's facical structure for some reason and the machine eye, being bigger than the human eye makes it look awkward.

Also, Arnold acts much less like a machine in the third movie. His acting in the first was very machine like. In the second he sort of "became human" but he was still very focused and the little emotion he did show did not get in the way of the mission.

In the third movie he just doesn't act that machine like toward the end. It's his face, his expressions, his eyes. He looks like a human being that has prosthetics rather then a metal robot sheathed in human flesh.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4048/t3screen090eo.png

One of the very few dynamic shots you can get of Arnold in T3 with his face ripped apart. It's a shame these scenes weren't longer because I would have liked to have grabbed a nice full body shot with the mechanical arm and leg and torso bit, but it's mostly "bust" shots or closeups.

Here is another one that I like just for the amount of detail. The damage doesn't make any sense, but it doesn't look fake, it just doesn't look how it should:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7088/t3screen180ig.png

Now I just need to get some screen caps from the second one so we can have this big comparison of all three movies.

chriscaffee

So to finish up here are a couple shots of the make-up effects for T2.

This is where we finally get to see some of the mechanism underneath the flesh. The earlier action scenes where the T1000 fires his Beretta are only hit the Terminator's back and reveal very little. The SWAT team of about ten officers armed with pistols and MP5s, however, have enough fire power to rip skin off the Terminator's face and chest. Pretty convincing here.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2951/t2screen130ik.png

And here we have a later shot in the steal mill. The T1000 mercilessly battered our (literally) fearless hero into submission by smashing his face apart. He crawls toward the M79 grenade launcher and we get this pretty good shot of his face. Again, the makeup is very believable. It turns out that it only looks fake after the T1000 is destroyed. This is because the lighting is more intense and the Terminator's dialouge makes it so you can tell the "jaw mechanism" is actually stretching with the actor's skin.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7253/t2screen247jd.png

All in all, it would rank up there with T1s if used in the proper lighting, but the last few emotional shots sort of kill it.

vvvrulz

Very nice analysis there dude.

Yep you're perfectly right on most counts, although I stil prefer the T1 shots to all the rest, as it looked far more beleivable imo. These later ones, while were impressive, looked like a bunch of CGI hokey in certain shots.

chriscaffee

I know what you mean. The bathroom fights in particular (and any other scene where Arnold or Kristanna is being thrown around in a violent manner) are very artificial. The first time I watched the movie in theaters I could instantly tell which scenes used CG and which didn't. The sad thing was, half the scenes that used CG could have used older tricks (like green screens) and looked better. (Particularly the decapitation scene with Arnold.) I think it would have been better to film his actual head and body and then made an image composite of the two images, rather then just CG the whole thing and make it look fake.

chriscaffee

Apologies for it not being a Terminator picture, but I couldn't resist:

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5382/erascreen029wm.png

alic88

chris you da man

vvvrulz

I second that, lol.

TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

Nice man. Where do you get all those T2:3D pics. I have to admit that I did go on that ride when I lived in Florida, but I hadn't seen any of the movies at that point and I was pretty scared so I mostly kept my eyes closed. Little bit of a regret there. Had I been older I would have been able to appreciate it and then buy some of the merchandise in the gift shop. smile

alic88

oh man chris when you go there again trust me you're gonna have the time of your life. now that you know everything about the terminator movies

TheFilmProphet

Originally posted by chriscaffee
Nice man. Where do you get all those T2:3D pics. I have to admit that I did go on that ride when I lived in Florida, but I hadn't seen any of the movies at that point and I was pretty scared so I mostly kept my eyes closed. Little bit of a regret there. Had I been older I would have been able to appreciate it and then buy some of the merchandise in the gift shop. smile

I usually do several searches before I find any new pics of T2:3D, but I can give you a few links I already have. http://www.schwarzenegger.it/speciali/t23dpics.html
http://www.schwarzenegger.cz/filmy/t23d/gallery.php

I've been to Florida before, unfortunately I never saw saw T2:3D in person so consider yourself lucky lol. Some merchandise would be great, hopefully one day when I have enough money I can purchase myself an enitre Terminator collection, until then...

TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

Needs more Reese:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9616/t1screen206ag.png

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6925/t1screen221am.png

vvvrulz

That shotgun/bar sequence was one of the best from all three Terminator movies.

chriscaffee

I can certainly agree to that. And it wasn't just the action but the set up. The corny disco, the slow motion, her looking at Kyle and still thinking he's the bad guy, and then all of a sudden Arnold starts to advanced drawing his gun, the disco fades into the background and the thumping of the Terminator music starts to blare over your speakers. It's a beautiful shot really.

The action scenes in the first Terminator aren't all that spectacular on their own merit, but the camera angles and the story that sets them up make them memorable. T2 on the other hand... those scenes are just so badass that you can't help but remember them, despite a slightly weaker story IMO.

Enough ranting, more T1 bar scenes:

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/194/t1screen174dn.png

The best part about this shot is the Terminator doesn't look let alone even make eye contact with the bouncer. He just removes his hand like one would brush off a crumb.

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/1998/t1screen190yg.png

This shot isn't actually that fantastic. I took it though to illustrate a movie goof that I only just figured out. Notice the underbarrel tube magazine of the shotgun is very short, holding about five rounds. In other shots, however, Reese has a shotgun with an extended tube to hold seven or eight rounds. I'll probably have to watch the opening again to see if the shotgun is a 5 or 8 round gun when he originally steals it to see what scene has the incorrect gun.

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/3865/t1screen249bh.png

Remember that earlier T3 pic I posted with the TX getting "pwned" by the Terminator when he hits her with a truck? Where here is the T1 version.

I guess that's it for now. Oh wait.

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Random End of Days screencap. Along with Eraser it's a pretty underrated Arnold movie. Oh and black sunglasses with a leather jacket? This looks like a better "Terminator" wardrobe then in T3. I don't know why but the leather jacket in T3 somewhat rubbed me the wrong way.

vvvrulz

Yeah I didnt think End of Days was that bad. Cheesy sure, but which Arnie flick isnt?

TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

I have the second issue of that comic I think. All that happens is some guy gets kidnapped and used as the template look for a T1000 that is set back in time in T2. At the same time, Kyle Reese was on patrol (against orders) and came under fire, though he was recovered. Then in a plan to infiltrate SkyNet's defense grid, Connor has a reprogrammed endoskeleton do something and sends a patrol of resistance fighters to protect it from other, unaware resistance fighters. They kill their own and at the very end of the comic it shows several endos walking back with the resistance wondering which one is theirs.

I would have liked to seen the conclusion.

Also I have issue 0 and 4 of the Dark Horse comics Terminator mini-series that was released a few years back.

---SPOILERS

The plot is that this Private Eye type is tracking down a rich senator's daughter that is hanging out with Satan worshippers in the desert. At the same time two Terminators (both T800s) - one male, and one female - are sent back in time to the same desert to kill John Connor. Since I only have the beginning and finale, I missed a lot but basically the Terminators mistake a different Sarah who also has a son John for their targets. They track them down and the Private Eye guy basically protects them. Throughout the series for some reason the male Terminator becomes self-aware and ultimately decides not to kill the Private Eye. The female Terminator tries to kill Sarah, but it's malfunctioning so much that it only knocks her unconcious. Both Termiantor's are whiped out by some dynamite that the Private Eye guy dropped when he was wounded. They die just as the female Terminator (now just an endoskeleton) reads the PIs journal that basically says that Sarah is not Sarah Connor.

---/SPOILERS

Anyway, if you have the means of picking up the series I can recommend it. The art (at least in the last issue) is very good and the story arc itself is better then T3, if only because it's original and not a rehash of Terminator 1 and 2.

TheFilmProphet

A very good and detailed summary chris, I have a few of those issues but I'm missing more than half of them. I'll have to start stacking up on my Terminator comics and books soon.

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vvvrulz

That shot up there of the war unfolding is just awesome.

TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

I have that T2 Infilitrator book. It's pretty good, but I seem to have lost it. I'm looking for it so I can read it again.

Here is another comparison of T1-T3. This time it's Termovision.

In Terminator 1, the Terminator's "crosshair" is pretty big and takes up a larg portion of his vision.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1269/t1screen155qm.png

In Terminator 2, it is much smaller.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5238/t2screen111os.png

This is another T2 shot of the Terminator's power relays while he is booting up. It's a pretty cool looking shot and details some of the Terminator's systems and whatnot.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5290/t2screen262rp.png

In Terminator 3 the crosshair is non-existent. Whether this was on purpose due to the nature of the scenes depicted in Termovision or whether it is just due to negligence is up for anyone's guess, but it's just one more aspect that distances T3 from the old skool pictures.

First we have the pic that makes no sense, unless Terminator is crawling next to a police car in this shot.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/772/t3screen301bj.png

And we have the spoof off T2 where Terminator identifies the correct clothing to aid in his infiltration.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6766/t3screen327aw.png

And of course no Termovision comparison would be complete without a POV from the T-X. Here are a couple of shots of how this murderous madam sees the world:

The T-X can scan DNA via her tounge. One has to wonder if her entire body is covered in mimetic polyalloy, why does she need to scan with her tounge? Could she not just touch it and scan it ala the T-1000?

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3088/t3screen296ph.png

Oh darn my gun done broke. Oh well let's get a new one out of the several hundred that I can fit in my one arm.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/2576/t3screen310nb.png

TheFilmProphet

Great captures chris, I had thought about maybe doing something like this before but I forgot all about it.

I didn't catch T2:3D but I'm assuming it must have had a Terminator vision shot at some point in the movie. It would be nice to throw in one those shots so we could have a complete comparision from each film.

As for TX and her method of scanning DNA, it was merely placed there in order to incorporate how "hot" she was or how "hot" they wanted her too seem to the viewers/audiences. Very unnecessary though, sacrificing part of the story of T3 for something so senseless.

chriscaffee

They tried to sell her sexuality all right, but they really didn't do it as much as I thought they would. Just three scenes really. That said, Arnold certainly played to the camera as well:

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His was just bad arse which fits well with the Terminator series.

TheFilmProphet

I agree, and nice gif by the way. Btw, why don't you have a sig or avatar?

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vvvrulz

Chris > I think the T1 POV shots actually are better than T2, for some reason they look more 'raw' and not so 'hollywoodised' if you see what i'm saying. For some reason theyre more menacing and in a sense more machine like. The images it sees are fuzzy to the human eye, but thats because its made for the Terminator's interpretation only.

chriscaffee

I was going to use that gif as my sig, but it's a bit too big - barely, but still too big.

Yeah I agree with you slightly. It does look a bit more raw. That's because they used actual machine code in T1 because, well, they couldn't really use anything else at the time. In T2 with an actual budget and almost a decade of special effects advancement they could make the Terminator's vision more "high tech" I guess.

I do like how you can read some of the code, like when the Terminator IDs the vehicles outside the biker bar and I also like the photorecognition with John Connor on the dirt bike, and the smile and SWAT team analysis were both pretty good.

Aside from the "F*** you a**hole" scene, the Terminator vision shots in the first movie were sort of generic and not very interesting. I mean it's just a shot of the Terminator chasing Kyle and Sarah. In T2 all the shots of the Termovision (or at least most) sort of explain things that couldn't be explained any other way: how the Terminator chooses his clothes and ride, how he is able to come back to life after being stabbed and such.

I think cinematically they work better, but I do agree that stylistically the T1 version fits more with the character.

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On the note of those comics, I think the Endoskeleton versus the cops is particularly humorous. If the endo really did just get it's flesh burned off (I'm going by the fire in the background here) then it should be extremely hot, so it should be burning that male cops skin just grabbing him like that. That and his hand where he is holding the Terminator's arm.

And how did he get the battle rifle into present day? I read somewhere that in some Terminator comics they would stick weapons in like a "skin bag" and send it back in time so they could have futuristic weapons in the past. (Which seems pretty pointless for a Terminator, I mean plasma and bullets are about equally effective against people, it's the bullets that don't work agains the Terminators and the plasma would be more handy for say Reese. I mean if Reese had access to a plasma rifle the movie would have been over in Tech-Noir.)

/Wall 'o Text smile

TheFilmProphet

Originally posted by chriscaffee
On the note of those comics, I think the Endoskeleton versus the cops is particularly humorous. If the endo really did just get it's flesh burned off (I'm going by the fire in the background here) then it should be extremely hot, so it should be burning that male cops skin just grabbing him like that. That and his hand where he is holding the Terminator's arm.

And how did he get the battle rifle into present day? I read somewhere that in some Terminator comics they would stick weapons in like a "skin bag" and send it back in time so they could have futuristic weapons in the past. (Which seems pretty pointless for a Terminator, I mean plasma and bullets are about equally effective against people, it's the bullets that don't work agains the Terminators and the plasma would be more handy for say Reese. I mean if Reese had access to a plasma rifle the movie would have been over in Tech-Noir.)

/Wall 'o Text smile

True, those officers would obviously be horribly burnt after being held so tightly (even if it wasn't tightly) and would be dead within minutes from the immense pain suffered. Although I'm not totally sure that the Terminator had just exited the flames because quite honestly I have yet to read that issue myself.

Transporting weapons through "skin bags" would be rather pointless, since humans in present day are nearly defenseless against Terminators as it is. I'm almost sure those weapons were merely added to give the Terminators more attractive comic book covers and bring more attention from possible customers.

Also, I think that Terminator gif was bigger than you realized since its currently 491 KBs and it needs to be no larger than 30 KBs before it can be used as a signature. I tried to make it smaller by cutting frames, but I could only get it down to 181 KBs without making it completely motionless.

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chriscaffee

I guess you're right. It may have been another forum I tried it at then, or I'm just brain-dead. Who knows. Anyway, this is Terminator Picture Thread so I should probably conjure up some image to go along with this post.

How about one of the most important images in the series. Unfortunately only show briefly in T2 and omitted completely from T3.

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Dear Sarah,

Thank you for your courage through the dark years. I can't help you with what you must soon face except to say the future's not set. You must be stronger then you imagine you can be. You must survive or I can not exist.

vvvrulz

That very image is what linked T1 onto T2, it was critical really.

It just goes to show how incoherant the T3 plot is, I cant see it fitting anywhere really.

chriscaffee

The only thing that really links T3 with the previous films is Silberman, but that scene is unfortunately too short. In T2 you had plenty of allusions to the first movie:

"These were taken from a video surveilliance camera at the West Highland police station in 1984. He killed seventeen officers that night. Men with families.

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These were taken in a mall in Raceda. Today."

...And then later...

"The chip. Do they know about the chip?"

What?

"From the one like him."

The CPU from the first Terminator.

/Son of a *****; I knew it./

"They told us not to ask where it came from. The stuff was scary, radically advanced. I mean it was smashed it didn't work, but it took us in new directions, things we would have never thought-- All my work was based on it."

And later still...

"I think it's the guy from the mall."

It is the guy from the mall!

"Yeah it's him, and the woman. Look just send everything you got in the area right now!"

I mean it would have been nice if at least one person (other then Silberman) would have recognized the Terminator as the terrorist that single-handidly whiped out a police station and then later took on a SWAT team and destroyed the Cyberdyne lab. I mean you think there would be huge news stories about the completely overt killer that somehow manages to disappear for decades at a time before rising again to do some more damage.

Just little things like that could have made T3 an infinitely better movie.

vvvrulz

Thats the problem, the whole movie was a show pony. Hardly anything was carefully thought out the way good sequels should be.

Thats why there is almost no such thing as a good sequel !

TheFilmProphet

Originally posted by chriscaffee
I mean it would have been nice if at least one person (other then Silberman) would have recognized the Terminator as the terrorist that single-handidly whiped out a police station and then later took on a SWAT team and destroyed the Cyberdyne lab. I mean you think there would be huge news stories about the completely overt killer that somehow manages to disappear for decades at a time before rising again to do some more damage.

Just little things like that could have made T3 an infinitely better movie.

I completely agree, its something that suck in my mind ever since T3 was first released back in 03. I was thinking, "Man Arnold killed like 20 police officers, broke into Pescadero and broke out a patient, destroyed Cyberdyne, blew up SWAT and cop cars in both the 90's and now, was involved in the destruction of a pet hospital, caused significant damage to several buildings, and kidnapped Kate." "But nobody seems to notice." At least an extra ten minutes of film featuring a news cast of a "Wanted Criminal" and maybe a chopper circling the sky would have made this film a little bit better in my eyes.

chriscaffee

I've always had my suspisions that there are reasons that T3 distances itself from the previous movies that aren't entirely clear. Sure it's easy to say Mostow is simply a bad director and didn't pay proper homage to Cameron's original vision, but I think it's something more.

T850? What happened to T800? An excuse for power cells? Okay, then why aren't there any T800s in any of the Terminator 3 video games? They are all T900s. No trace of the original Terminator at all. Very peculiar.

In the special features, like I mentioned before, all previous characters like T1000, Sarah and Reese are portrayed by look alikes and their faces are never shown.

The timeline was unnecessarily altered without good reason.

The "no fate" poem is present, but altered and is such a miniscule part of the film it is easily forgettable.

The Polaroid of Sarah in the desert is nowhere to be found.

There is no explanation for how SkyNet is developed without a Terminator CPU: arm stuck in the gear? the legs from the original 1984 Terminator?

So the story is weak and shares none of the depth of the originals.

The action scenes are all "extreme make overs" of what we've already seen in T2. In fact the movie itself is basically T2 with a less capable cast. I think the reason T3 doesn't resonate as well with the fans is we feel like we've seen it all before, because we have. Sure it's different, but not different enough. The Terminator was something we had never seen before. Terminator 2 was something we had never seen before and it lives on as one of the greatest action movies of all time. Terminator 3 feels like an attempt to cash in on the franchise using advanced computer affects ala Star Wars, LoTR and the Matrix trilogies.

chriscaffee

Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
I completely agree, its something that suck in my mind ever since T3 was first released back in 03. I was thinking, "Man Arnold killed like 20 police officers, broke into Pescadero and broke out a patient, destroyed Cyberdyne, blew up SWAT and cop cars in both the 90's and now, was involved in the destruction of a pet hospital, caused significant damage to several buildings, and kidnapped Kate." "But nobody seems to notice." At least an extra ten minutes of film featuring a news cast of a "Wanted Criminal" and maybe a chopper circling the sky would have made this film a little bit better in my eyes.

Enrique Salceda even mentions in T2 that he saw Sarah, John and "your big friend here" on TV. The other character, particularly Lt. Traxler in T1, help to ground the story. There are no characters in T3 that ground the story. It's just one explosive special effect after another with no reguard for real drama. There's action and then there is action.

TheFilmProphet

Originally posted by chriscaffee
Enrique Salceda even mentions in T2 that he saw Sarah, John and "your big friend here" on TV. The other character, particularly Lt. Traxler in T1, help to ground the story. There are no characters in T3 that ground the story. It's just one explosive special effect after another with no reguard for real drama. There's action and then there is action.

Well said and true, while attempting to immitate Judgement Day T3 lost sight of some of the simple elements that made the previous films what they were.

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Summaries of the Infiltrator, Rising Storm, and The Future War novels.

chriscaffee

How about some pictures from the Ultimate DVD? Here are some pictures of the minigun from Stembridge gun rentals.

Here we can see that Arnold is obviously not the only person on set able to heft this thing. And at thirty-five pounds and a fire rate slowed to six-hundred rounds per minute (from a selectable rate of 2000 or 4000) and set to fire only blanks, how anyone could believe that is amazing. It should be noted that it says on the DVD itself that Arnold was one of the few people that could lift it for any length of time. Perhaps with the chute and blanks and maybe even the batteries to power it, then I could see what they are talking about, but seriously I could carry a thirty-five pound wait all day, especially if it was this cool looking.

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This picture shows some more detail on the weapon itself. Wait a second those don't look like the handholds that were present when that other guy was holding it.

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Oh yes. The first Governor to wield a "man portable" minigun. Hell the first man to do so. It appears as though they wanted to have a different image from the movie "Predator" so in T2 they changed the hand holds a bit.

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TheFilmProphet

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TheFilmProphet

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chriscaffee

This shot as a whole totally sucks, however this one frame is very good, and that's all that is necessary for a screenshot. smile

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TheFilmProphet

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vvvrulz

Question, that game shot up there looking through the Terminators point of view. Is that supposed to be Kate Brewster and John Conner in the pet shop, and if so, why on earth does she have a gun !?

TheFilmProphet

Actually its not from the pet shop scene in T3, its from the base of the Resistance in the future when Kate and the others capture the T-850 and attempt to reprogram him and send him into the past. If you look more closely, you will note there is a T-850 or T-900 laying down (apparently unactive) in the background and a computer directly next to Kate. She is also wearing full 'Resistance' attire and a walkie takie in her suit pocket.

vvvrulz

Ohh, makes sense now.

TheFilmProphet

Cool, glad to have helped clear it all up.

alic88

i do have t3 redemption but i suck so bad in video games that i wasnt able to go a long way.. any1 know of good cheat codes?eh?

chriscaffee

This topic needs an update.

The death of Lt. Vulkovich. A burst of fire from an AR18 followed by two blasts from the SPAS-12 shotgun.

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Wasting more cops with the AR18.

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The final pursuit.

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Cyborgs don't feel pain... or do they? The T-X gets the "wind" knocked out of her from a 40-millimeter grenade to the gut.

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Even the T800 isn't immune to his actor's involuntary facial expressions!

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We'll forgive Kristanna since she can kick so high.

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Stay tuned. More Terminator goodness is coming. I'm going to grab some more T2 shots now.

Konjammenson

Originally posted by chriscaffee
Cyborgs don't feel pain... or do they?

Nope they sure don't. big grin

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chriscaffee

I have to be honest. I'm not really impressed with the Robert Patrick/T1000, but the T-850 Terminator looks awesome. It's too bad they had to take three seperate scenes from the movie and combine them into one, as in like, it's too bad there was no ONE scene that was that bad, by which I mean good. I'll see if I can get some more pics...

I love this shot. The sparks really make it.

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Nice shot of the T1000 with all the molten steel and sparks reflecting off his quicksilver skin.

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The best for last. This scene is still one of the greatest shoot outs in the history of movies. It has the awesome factor, and it isn't over the top. (The only errors are the useage of incorrect sound effects at times - sometimes it makes assault rifle noises when he is actually shooting his shotgun -, and Arnold shoots too many rounds with the Assault Rifle, though he only fires eight shots with the shotty, exactly how many his weapon could hold!)

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chriscaffee

More images with more analysis. This time it's endoskeletons. The T800/850-type endoskeleton appears in all three movies (albiet only briefly in the sequals).

Terminator used a combination of stop-motion miniatures, full-size poseable models and an articulated upper-torso puppet that was worn by a crew member.

In this shot we can see the stop-motion Terminator model. Note the solid feel of the Terminator itself. There is something wrong with the image and you can tell it's "fake." This is because composite imaging back then was not as good as today. With computers today a stop-motion miniature is indistinguishable from what the real thing should look like (see the aliens in ID4).

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All the same techniques used in the first movie were used in T2 to slightly better effect. The endos here were well articulated and fairly believable. The only break through in computer effects were used with the T1000.

I like this shot in particular. Ideally I would like a high-res image of a full endoskeleton, but this is good enough. Of particular interest is the detail of the legs, pelvis and gut which are rarely seen in the first movie, since the puppet was the upper torso only.

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Terminator 3 only briefly reveals the endos in what appears to be an entirely CG future war sequence. This is a mistake in my opinion. Missing are the resistance fighters, the HK tanks, and the battle scenes from the previous two. Instead we have Terminators using British-style Revolutionary War tactics, essentially marching in a straight line, hoping their guns kill all the humans. The CG also isn't good enough yet. It's getting there, but the Terminator's just don't feel solid.

My suggestion? T3 should have used a stop-motion miniature and taken advantage of the computer in making a really excellent composite image. IMO, that would yeild the most realistic results, possibly less costly as well since they could obtain the same stop-motion figures from the first two movies.

Here is an image from T3 of the endos in action.

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The final verdict? Terminator 2: Judgment Day had the most believable endoskeletons. The original Terminator is a second, and sorry, but T3: Rise of the Machines is dead last. The computer affects on Arnold and Kristanna were fantastic, so one has to wonder why they look so bad on the endos.

TheFilmProphet

Very nice screen grabs chris, ultimately I suppose those involved with T3 were so caught up with the idea of using CGI on another Terminator film that they forget when and where it was necessary to use it. I could easily see both CGI (background, HK's, etc.) and models similar to the ones used in T2 being utilized for the opening sequence of T3.

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chriscaffee

"I sense injuries, the data could be called pain."

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And Reese:

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And "Austin:"

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And "Hastings:"

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