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Ok same scenario as demigawd's thread only thing Thanos has 2 partners with him. Back from the dead, one of earth's most powerful mutants... Apocalypse! Dr. Strange's nemesis... the one... the only... Dormammu! Awesome psionic and cosmic power, all powerful mutant, and powerful dark magic equals total destruction.

Ok THE RULES... You can choose 1 being with skyfather like strength, and 7 below skyfather level. Thanos and his teammates have 2 weeks of prep. You have a month. Pick your teams. No cosmic cube, no IG, no HOTU, just normal Thanos and whatever he creates in 2 weeks. Villains can be used for your team as well with the exception of Doom. He is one of the only humans imo, that can match wits with Thanos. So he's out. Choose wisely.

ego the living planet
binary
phoenix avatar jean
dr.strange
herald johnny storm
gl
jack of hearts
thor

Ok...I have a wicked cool plan (I'm smiling ear-to-ear just thinking about it). Here's the team.

Asgardian Destroyer (the Skyfather level)
Thor (he can control the Destroyer)
Martian Manhunter
Absorbing Man
Hulk
The Doctor (Authority)
Mimic
Wolverine

Pretty weak team you say. And right now, I would agree. But stay with me...

Absorbing Man goes to the hardware store and absorbs about every different substance known to man. He also stops at a computer store, and absorbs the properties of it as well as all of the the information he can find on the Internet (he has done this before...after ward he beat most of the Avengers easily). So he can think at the speed of a high-speed computer (we'll say, to be modest, a few hundred thousand calculations and thoughts a second)

Now everyone on the team lines up in front of Absorbing Man. First he absorbs Thor and his Class 100 strength (this doesn't hurt his teammates mind you) and also the magical properties of Thor's hammer. He then absorbs MM (so he's a telepath), Wolverine's claws (so he can change into adamantium) and also Wolvie's blood so he can heal really fast. He absorbs the Hulk, his strength, and his ability to get stronger with rage. Just for good measure he absorbs the magical properties of the Destroyer. So he's a 100+ strength level magical telepath who can change into adamantium at will and heal almost instantaneously (Hulk and Wolvie) and thinks at a speed infinitely faster than normal.

Next it's Mimic's turn. Mimic can absorb up to 5 people's powers, but only 50% of them. He absorbs Thor, Wolvie, MM, and the Hulk...so he's 50% of all of them. But then he turns to Absorbing Man. They both smile. Abosrbing Man is everyone (minus the Doctor..all of his powers might be hard to absorb and control) and Mimic absorbs him. So now Mimic is 100% of the aforementioned people and is also an uber-badass 100+ strength level magical telepath who can change to adamantium and heal and think much faster than normal (though only 50% the speed of Absorbing Man...but it's still hella fast).

Now we're almost ready. Wolverine's usefulness is done so he goes on a picnic while the others prepare for the fight. MM projects some hideous and disturbing thoughts into the minds of Absorbing Man and Mimic, so they're in full rage mode and a few times larger than normal (and adamantium!).

They each have their roles...Hulk is a meat shield, and easily the most worthless on the team. The Doctor will have a shield around entering the fight to protect against any quick attacks. MM will shield them telepathically and stay at a distance. Absorbing Man, Mimic, and Thor (now in the armor, which puts him slightly above Odin level) are the physical guys. They go for Apocalypse first, before he can get too powerful and big. Some adamantium 1000-class punches and a few Destroyer-enhanced Godblasts later and Apoc. is a puddle.

MM and the Doctor have been holding the physical/telepathic/magical shields up for a while while the brute squad takes out Apoc. (Absorbing Man and Mimic have been helping with the telepathic shield). So now the brute squad (easily a match for probably even a prepped Thanos) goes for Thanos and MM and the Doctor are left to deal with Dormammu.

The brute squad beats Thanos an inch from his life and then send him into the next galaxy. Meanwhile MM and the Doctor have their hands full with Dormammu. Doctor is easily Dr. Strange's equal, and probably more powerful, but Dormammu might have him trumped a bit. But now Mimic drops Hulk's rage and absorbs the Doctor. Absorbing Man does the same. And though they aren't as practiced with magical arts as the Doctor (or Dormammu) the three of them combined wailing on Dormammu with all of their magical know-how will be enough to contain and put down Dor. Once the battle is over, the Doctor draws his power together for a while and then sends Dormammu to a pocket dimension that he'll have some trouble getting out of.

Woot! Let the dissenting opinions begin!

-DM

Originally posted by cray z 4 sarah
ego the living planet
binary
phoenix avatar jean
dr.strange
herald johnny storm
gl
jack of hearts
thor

Pheonix and Ego are beyond Skyfather. Everyone else can stay though (at least to my knowledge).

-DM

how about this for good use of a months prep

i take - Reed Richards, Quicksilver, Rogue, Iron Man, Silver Surfer

that's 5.... i get Rogue to absorb Reed, Tony Stark and Quicksilver.... the Surfer creates whatever materials she needs and suddenly her month equates to years of prep time with the smartest minds in the world working with the the best materials in the universe

the other 2 would be Martian Manhunter and Dr Strangefate for added psi-protection...... though i'm sure Super-Rugue could whip something up in 3 seconds

my Sky Father character would be King Thor..... or whoever........ probably wont need one after Rogue gets done with the prep

EDIT:fudge it....... switch Quicksilver with Flash and we got decades of prep time

Rune King Thor - the total package - magic power enough to easily beat Sutur and an enhanced Loki, strength, skill, and the wisdom of the ages at his command - he's the perfect leader

Dr. Strange - magic power and the ability to summon the combined might of the Vishanti to aid Thor in taking down Dormammu

The Doctor - magic power to back up Dr. Strange in case he falls short against Dormammu. He'll have enough to spare to also aid in taking down Thanos

Martian Manhunter - psionic power enough to block Thanos' psionic attacks, as well as the versatility to stay untouched while coordinating Thor's commands telepathically

Ikaris - It's also best to have a backup power source. So Ikaris can lend his psionic abilities to back up MM's. He also has enough durability not to get taken out in one shot and the strength and energy projection to hold his own in battle. I'd put him against Apocalypse.

Mangog - Mangog knows Thanos well - and being perhaps the physically strongest being in the marvel universe, has enough raw power to take down Thanos while he's occupied by:

Doomsday - a being with incredible strength and speed. Thanos will have trouble fighting off a combined front by the Doctor's magic, Ikaris - psionics and energy projection, and MM's strength and psionics

Silver Surfer - He'll clean up on Apocalypse. God Cable is everything that he was designed to be by Sinister -a perfect weapon against Apocalypse. Surfer owned him. Imagine what he'd do to Apoc.

Who's playing the role of the counter-attacker? Sentry?

Originally posted by Scoobless
how about this for good use of a months prep

i take - Reed Richards, Quicksilver, Rogue, Iron Man, Silver Surfer

that's 5.... i get Rogue to absorb Reed, Tony Stark and Quicksilver.... the Surfer creates whatever materials she needs and suddenly her month equates to years of prep time with the smartest minds in the world working with the the best materials in the universe

the other 2 would be Martian Manhunter and Dr Strangefate for added psi-protection...... though i'm sure Super-Rugue could whip something up in 3 seconds

my Sky Father character would be King Thor..... or whoever........ probably wont need one after Rogue gets done with the prep

EDIT:fudge it....... switch Quicksilver with Flash and we got decades of prep time


Not bad...but you've got some work to do. What plans? What weapons would they make out of the materials? etc. And Rogue only absorbs for a little while...not indefinitely (unless she absorbs them enough to kill them). So if she does it early on, her teammates recover but she doesn't have their full power, and if she does it right before the battle her teammates are weak as hell.

So it looks to me like you have a lot of guys who would be out of the fight right after they ring the bell....Reed, Rogue, Iron Man (Tony's great, but not against these powerhouses)...and what exactly can the Flash do to people this powerful? Especially Dormammu, who is a magical being, not a physical one? So right now I'm looking at MM, Dr. Strangefate, and King Thor against the three baddies. And I'll take the baddies.

-DM

Originally posted by demigawd

Who's playing the role of the counter-attacker? Sentry?

I will too, except against my own team, because it has no weaknesses whatsoever

Playing the bad guy is fun, though.

And I suppose imitation is the sincerist form of flattery, but curse you for taking the Doctor.

jk...not a bad team...but you realize I'll have to try and take it down.

-DM

haha the Doctor was a brilliant choice, Digimark. I would have picked Dr. Druid otherwise.

Now, let's see what you can do against my team. I'm off to spend the nice day outside with my girlfriend, but I'll be back tomorrow and see how things progress.

Later ya'll...

I'll need a day or two on your team demi...don't know much about Ikaris and Mangog, and you have the formula for a good team from your Thanos thread down pretty good.

-DM

P.S. Have fun with your girlfriend.....Liar!

I will play counterattack too. I'm so bust today though.

A team of heroes and villains, 1 skyfather and 7 under....

Skyfather level = Odin

7 under are...

Demogorge Blade - Muscle and Magic. With the powers of Demogoblin, Ghost Rider, Hannibal King, Blaze, Morbius, Modred the Mystic, Montesi, a Seer... he'd be a good counterpunch to Dormammu. And as a bonus, once he takes down Dormammu, he absorbs all his power, as he does with all his victims.

Deathurge - avatar or Oblivion. Seeing as Thanos has been banned from Death's realm, Deathurge would be one of the few beings in existence with the ability to "kill" Thanos because his victims head for Oblivion's realm. One touch from his weapons and the Titan is on his way...

Adam Warlock - A better strategist than Warlock and he knows Thanos inside out. Plus he can hold his own against more powerful beings.

Nimrod - the most technologically advanced sentinel with no visible weaknesses. He would be immune to virtually any form of attack once my team puts his through the ringer.

Morg with the WOL - with the WOL enhancement he's the most powerful herald who could easily put the kibosh on Apocalypse and put a world of hurt on Thanos.

Shadow King - in addition to protecting his team mates from telepathic attacks, his considerable psionic abilities would be a thorn to all three opponents, also his astral form makes him virtually unhurtable by conventional means.

Blackbolt - no explanation needed.

This is probably not the smartest team ever assembled but with Warlock at the helm, the attack would be coordinated and efficient. If a frontal assault, without any planning happened. Odin would stalemate Thanos indefinitely (lets give Thanos the benefit of the doubt). Apocalypse would have his hands full with Nimrod, Shadow King and Deathurge. Apocalypse would keep regenerating you say? No problem, one swipe from Deathruge and he's gone. Dormammu would get squashed by the combined efforts of Blackbolt, Demogorge Blade, Adam Warlock and Morg.

Reed Richards, Flash, Rogue, Tony Stark, Martian Manhunter, Silver Surfer, Dr Strangefate, King Thor

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Not bad...but you've got some work to do. What plans? What weapons would they make out of the materials? etc. And Rogue only absorbs for a little while...not indefinitely (unless she absorbs them enough to kill them

during the first absorbtion they come up with a way to make her absorbtions permanent without killing the absorbees ....still has 30 days left to prep at super duper speed

i don't know what a super scientist can come up with in the equivelant of decades of prep time....... a machine that turns water into hot water?

how about...... creating the tech to give everyone on the team everyone else's powers...... and weapons that fire phased energy pulses that bypass any force fields...... and a suit for Strangefate like the one in "what if...... Tony Stark became sorcerer supreme?" (he invents an armour that instantly recognises threats and comes up with the proper counter spell...... much faster than Strange could alone.... plus it amplifies the wearers power and also fires the standard IM weapons)

Armour for all members..... magical reinforcement for all members

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So it looks to me like you have a lot of guys who would be out of the fight right after they ring the bell....Reed, Rogue, Iron Man (Tony's great, but not against these powerhouses)...and what exactly can the Flash do to people this powerful? Especially Dormammu, who is a magical being, not a physical one? So right now I'm looking at MM, Dr. Strangefate, and King Thor against the three baddies. And I'll take the baddies.

you're missing the point........ my team was created specifically for the optimal prep time usage...... but with the ideas i just thought of (thanks to your prompting) they could also be useful in battle......

my "Ultimate Prep Team" would kick these guys asses

Can I pick 8 Thanoses in this one?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Can I pick 8 Thanoses in this one?

hmmm....... seems like de ja vu

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Can I pick 8 Thanoses in this one?

hmmm....... seems like de ja vu

no problem here, i choose
1. Nate grey
2. Sentry
3. Cable

Thas all that is required

n jus for the record silver surfer NEVER OWNED cable, cable was already trying to supress his psionic power and didnt want to fight surfer but when surfer pissed him off, cable BROKE SURFER'S BOARD with his power just to warn him, it was only later that he got his arm {and only his arm, which isnt really THAT atrong} broken.

no problem here, i choose
1. Nate grey
2. Sentry
3. Cable

Thas all that is required

n jus for the record silver surfer NEVER OWNED cable, cable was already trying to supress his psionic power and didnt want to fight surfer but when surfer pissed him off, cable BROKE SURFER'S BOARD with his power just to warn him, it was only later that he got his arm {and only his arm, which isnt really THAT atrong} destroyed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no problem here, i choose
1. Nate grey
2. Sentry
3. Cable

your mutants are easy to disable, that's why they got left out of the other thread..... too much mutant power dampening tech lying around the universe

not really, nate and cable can be disabled only if they are caught by surprise and since they have a month's worth of preptime, theyll be prepared plus, sentry cud single handedly take down team Thanos.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
not really, nate and cable can be disabled only if they are caught by surprise and since they have a month's worth of preptime, theyll be prepared plus, sentry cud single handedly take down team Thanos.

i doubt it...... magic like Dormammu's has a way of messing people up..... i don't like the amount of credit people give Sentry as we have seen so little from him....... but Thanos would be prepped for the mutie scum and take them down sharpish

If Sentry is as powerful as advertised, he's beyond skyfather level and wouldnt' count anyway.

hmmm well yea i suppose he is beyond skyfather level, he did stalemate galactus after all

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmmm well yea i suppose he is beyond skyfather level, he did stalemate galactus after all

was that ever a comic or just a line from the sentry books?....... i've never seen it in a comic

It was from the Spiderman/Sentry oneshot. Spiderman said:



It was never actually shown in the comics. To my knowledge.

Sentry is basically a walking high showing. It's understandable, of course, but I think you'll be disappointed in how he'll probably be powered down in current continuity. After all, he's going to be joining forces with Dr. Strange, X-men and the Avengers to take on Magneto. If he were still Galactus level, he probably wouldn't need to do that.

Well I think Sentry's the most powerful hero on EARTH. In the New Avengers series, Matt Murdock quoted Reed saying Sentry was the most powerful hero on earth. That person Electro carried out was probably the Void, and no one on earth stands a chance against the Void. With that being said I think the Void and Sentry together, since their are same being, only exact opposites, could take on The Thanos Team. Dormammu will be a problem though. I have no idea how the Sentry and Void will fare against ambient magical energy. My team wouldn't count I think. The Void and Sentry are close to or maybe even above skyfather level.

if it was the Void that escaped wouldn't Sentry know? so why would he go back to jail?...... how could they hold the Void in a jail anyway???

i think you may be wrong there

and there was a list of all the escapees in New Avengers..... they would have sh!t themselves if Void was on a "missing" list

It's just rumors but with a high probability it's the Void. I'm pretty sure Bendis is going to include the Void in the storyline of the New Avengers. My theory is, that most of the world's heroes don't know about the Void and Sentry. Only a few people know of his existence. Ex: Reed, Dr. Strange, and the Hulk.In theory, I think that was Void in a host body or a body that resembled Robert Reynolds who was somehow rendered powerless by the Sentry, and he tried to make everyone forget about him by sitting in jail for all those years. Since the Void is basically the Sentry's evil side, I think the Void was the one who probably killed his wife. He probably got the blame for it, or he felt really guilty since he basically created the Void when he drank the serum, and turned himself in to S.H.I.E.L.D. I'm pretty sure none of them remembered the Sentry or the Void even if he was on the missing list.

Sentry is gonna get his powers lowered for sure.

Originally posted by demigawd
Rune King Thor - the total package - magic power enough to easily beat Sutur and an enhanced Loki, strength, skill, and the wisdom of the ages at his command - he's the perfect leader

Dr. Strange - magic power and the ability to summon the combined might of the Vishanti to aid Thor in taking down Dormammu

The Doctor - magic power to back up Dr. Strange in case he falls short against Dormammu. He'll have enough to spare to also aid in taking down Thanos

Martian Manhunter - psionic power enough to block Thanos' psionic attacks, as well as the versatility to stay untouched while coordinating Thor's commands telepathically

Ikaris - It's also best to have a backup power source. So Ikaris can lend his psionic abilities to back up MM's. He also has enough durability not to get taken out in one shot and the strength and energy projection to hold his own in battle. I'd put him against Apocalypse.

Mangog - Mangog knows Thanos well - and being perhaps the physically strongest being in the marvel universe, has enough raw power to take down Thanos while he's occupied by:

Doomsday - a being with incredible strength and speed. Thanos will have trouble fighting off a combined front by the Doctor's magic, Ikaris - psionics and energy projection, and MM's strength and psionics

Silver Surfer - He'll clean up on Apocalypse. God Cable is everything that he was designed to be by Sinister -a perfect weapon against Apocalypse. Surfer owned him. Imagine what he'd do to Apoc.

Who's playing the role of the counter-attacker? Sentry?

Off we go demi...

Apocalypse has been using his prep time well. He has preemptively grown to the size of, let's say Jupiter. The moment the battle begins, he punches. TH-BOOOOM. The heroes are stunned and any shields (probably from the Doctor) that have been put up have been temporarily disabled by Apoc's Class 1,000,000 punch. He punches again...this time actually connecting. Doomsday, Ikaris, and MM bite it right then and there...can't take a punch of that class....and MM's telepathic shields will mean crap. Thanos, of course, has a telepathic inhibitor with his prep so any attempt to stop Apocalypse telepathically are futile.

The two Doctors are prepped enough and paranoid enough to survive the initial onslaught, and Surfer/Mangog/Thor survive the punch. Thanos steps in then and starts wailing on Surfer....they're fighting but Surfer is losing. Apoc takes Mangog, who is strong as hell but not as tough as Apoc (at this point, Apoc may not be the most invulnerable, but he's producing the most power in the fight.).

The Doctors are actually winning against Dormammu (can't go against my boy)...but Dormammu is playing defensive...making it a long fight.

King Thor is making the fight interesting and manages to kill Apocalypse, but not before he takes out Mangog and Thanos puts a stop to Surfer (in the past when they've met, it hasn't taken Thanos long....and he'd have shields and stuff).

King Thor and prepped Thanos is kind of a wash, but in between their epic fight they try to help their teammates. But Dormammu is a spirit-being...the Doctors are physical beings. Thanos gets a few shots in here or there...enough to distract the two Dr's. since they have their hands full with Dormammu. King Thor can't do the same to Dormammu...so Dormammu slowly takes the upper hand. Strange slips up, Dor takes him out, and the Doctor follows soon after. Thanos is getting kinda weak but with Dormammu at his side they take down King Thor.

....that was rough....you made me do my homework demi....and I'm sure you'll have a good retort to my defense.

-DM

P.S. Whoever picked Nimrod is a stud....helluva pick.

K Von Doom....nice team. Nimrod kicks ass, and Shadow King is another quasi-obscure but sweet pick. I'll leave the Thanos-supporting against your team to someone else...

And anyone wanna take a shot at my team? You'll lose but it might be fun...

-DM

Here's my team:

the greek god Hephaestus: he can make any weapon his mind can concieve.

Reed Richards: for obvious reasons
Magneto: forcefields and such, who knows maybe he can get a hold of somebody's blood
Black Bolt:
Strange:
Hulk:
Juggernaut:

ok Boom! this how it goes down, this is gonna be a brute strentgh thing. Heph and Reed knock ther heads together and come up with some awesome shit. the first thing they do is create two tree trunk sized billy clubs out of adamantine(the substance the heph uses to create all the wepoans for the gods, its also stronger than adamanitum). but the thing is they make them wieigh a few pounds but has the density of a neutron star(really freaking dense,)

the next thing they do is create a sonic amplification harness for black bolt, not only does it increases is powers 10 fold(lets be modest) it also allows him to harness more 'free floating electrons" to increase his STR to well over CLass100. then they also create another device for magneto to beast-like his powers. Reed knows he cant do much physically so he just fires blasts from a device he creates from afar. Heph's god complex kicks in and he feels like he doesnt need to dirty his hands.

Strange cloaks hulk and Juggyand then Boom! sic them on them and let them wail on Mofokers with those super dense adamantine clubs, no one will be able to stand up to that shit. thanos team, bewildered not knowing what the F is knocking the shit outta them incurs all sorts of injuries.

Strange casts spells, Reed blasts with his cannon, Magento doubles as a blaster and a forcefield creator, and once they softened them nicley they roll-out Black Bolt, fall back allow Reed, Magento, Hepahestus, and Strange to individually construct forefileds to protect everybody and just Let BB recite the 23 psalm as loud as he can, and of course have magneto further amplify the sound across the EM spectrum.(namely radar, and sonar).

The End, of the whole solar system that is

one more thing. i know that thanos and dormammu are known for thier forcfileds, magical and other wise put apoc hasnt demonrated that too much he just usually stands up to attacks and let his unvulnerabilty do the rest, so he gets cut down first....just keep that in mind

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Apocalypse has been using his prep time well. He has preemptively grown to the size of, let's say Jupiter.


Oh man...I was in the middle of drinking some orange juice when I read this and I almost choked. It took me a half hour to clean the orange juice off of my sofa.

JUPITER???

ok, ok, I realize that Marvel has said that Apoc's strength is potentially limitless and all of that, but they say that about every character. They said the Hulk's strength is limitless, that Destroyer's strength is limtless, that Magneto's power is limitless. With that many vague definitions, I can't, in good faith, say something like, "Destroyer increases his strength so much that he destroys the universe in one punch" any more than I can say, "Apocalypse grows so large that his sheer size tips the earth off its axis and sends it flying into deep space, killing everybody in the process", because that's exactly what would happen, lol.

No, I tend to prefer going by feats. Apocalypse has grown to about 50 feet or so a couple of times. No way is he becoming Jupiter sized, lol.



ok, even assuming for a second that I'm going to let you get away with Apoc being Jupiter-sized, he's so large that he couldn't have a precise shot. He'd kill everybody - even his own team.

Either way, the strategy would probably work against Apoc's team. A class one million attack by someone Jupiter-sized (I still can't get over that, lol) would be so slow that the Doctor could easily teleport them away in time, destroying the battlefield entirely. The Doctor then teleports behind Apoc and shinks him back down to size...or even separates him from his Celestial tech, turning him into a rip off of Mr. Fantastic.




Thor would immediately go after Thanos, since he recognizes him as the biggest threat. Thanos vs. Warrior's Madness Thor was a wash. Rune King Thor is more powerful than Odin. He'll tear Thanos apart worse than Odin did. Remember, Odin was completely unhurt against Thanos, and Thanos was staggering to his feet by the end of the fight. Surfer would instead focus elsewhere. Probably finishing off whatever is left of the de-powered Apoc.



Yeah, it could take awhile



Well, Surfer would take Apocalypse, Thor, as I mentioned above, would insist on taking Thanos. Surfer would agree because he knows Thano has his number.



Not a wash - Rune King Thor beasts on Thanos. Thanos isn't quite skyfather level. Rune King is at the top of the Skyfather chain.



Untrue! There's a reason I picked Oeming's Rune King Thor over Jurgen's King Thor. Rune King is a master magician - wielding Rune Magic, which is on Vishanti Level. From a pure magic perspective, Rune King Thor is a rival to Dormammu. Once Rune King finishes up with Thanos, which shouldn't take long, his might combined with the two doctors will be waaaaay too much for Dorm.



Nimrod is cool...but his durability is something of a question mark at this level.

Let me go back and find your team...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ok...I have a wicked cool plan (I'm smiling ear-to-ear just thinking about it). Here's the team.

Asgardian Destroyer (the Skyfather level)
Thor (he can control the Destroyer)
Martian Manhunter
Absorbing Man
Hulk
The Doctor (Authority)
Mimic
Wolverine

Pretty weak team you say. And right now, I would agree. But stay with me...

Absorbing Man goes to the hardware store and absorbs about every different substance known to man. He also stops at a computer store, and absorbs the properties of it as well as all of the the information he can find on the Internet (he has done this before...after ward he beat most of the Avengers easily). So he can think at the speed of a high-speed computer (we'll say, to be modest, a few hundred thousand calculations and thoughts a second)


The first problem is, Creed can only absorb one thing at a time and he becomes that thing. He can absorb information and retain that information, but he's not Rogue, lol.

Thanos and Dormma are not publicly known - there isn't any more information he could learn over the internet than he could from people like Adam Warlock and Dr. Strange. And I'm sure the Avengers have lots of information about him too.



Where did the fast thinking come into play? He absorbed information from the internet, but not anything to enhance his ability to think, right?

And like I said before, he can only absorb one thing at a time. In fact, 99% of the reason he loses fights is because he gets tricked into absorbing something stupid. Like a cardboard replica of mjolnir (I'm not kidding!), or a glass bottle, or the ocean. If he could turn into some other substance, he wouldn't have been beaten like that.

Additionally, absorbing Wolverine's blood won't give him advanced healing...it will turn him into Wolverine's blood, lol.



Mimic can only copy mutant powers, no superhumans. That's why he's only ever had mutant abilities. In the MU, it's the five original X-men. In the Exiles universe, it's Cyclops, Colossus, Northstar, Wolverine and Beast.



Actually, your scenario doesn't even get to this point because of the limitations I described above.

Originally posted by demigawd
The first problem is, Creed can only absorb one thing at a time and he becomes that thing. He can absorb information and retain that information, but he's not Rogue, lol.

Thanos and Dormma are not publicly known - there isn't any more information he could learn over the internet than he could from people like Adam Warlock and Dr. Strange. And I'm sure the Avengers have lots of information about him too.



Where did the fast thinking come into play? He absorbed information from the internet, but not anything to enhance his ability to think, right?

And like I said before, he can only absorb one thing at a time. In fact, 99% of the reason he loses fights is because he gets tricked into absorbing something stupid. Like a cardboard replica of mjolnir (I'm not kidding!), or a glass bottle, or the ocean. If he could turn into some other substance, he wouldn't have been beaten like that.

Additionally, absorbing Wolverine's blood won't give him advanced healing...it will turn him into Wolverine's blood, lol.



Mimic can only copy mutant powers, no superhumans. That's why he's only ever had mutant abilities. In the MU, it's the five original X-men. In the Exiles universe, it's Cyclops, Colossus, Northstar, Wolverine and Beast.



Actually, your scenario doesn't even get to this point because of the limitations I described above.



...hmmm...give me a second to lick my wounds.

...k...now it's go time. Apparently I was a bit misinformed about Absorbing Man's and Mimic's powers. But he has absorbed the processing speed of a computer before, allowing him to calculate really fast.

This kinda throws my plan, and I have a busy weekend, so it'll be a while before I regroup. But this isn't over.... I shall return....(hopefully with a plan that actually works...lol).

-DM

P.S. Given his powers, Apoc COULD grow to the size of Jupiter. Poor writing and a need for the good guys to always win have contributed to this aspect of his power never being fully used. That said, this isn't even a "logical extension" of his powers like the stupid "Flash can explode people" argument....it's his powers period!

Do you believe that Apocalypse can grow to the size of the universe and cause it to collapse under its own weight? If not, why not?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
anyone wanna take a shot at my team? You'll lose but it might be fun...

-DM

well you never countered my guys plan yet.......

Originally posted by Scoobless
Reed Richards, Flash, Rogue, Tony Stark, Martian Manhunter, Silver Surfer, Dr Strangefate, King Thor



during the first absorbtion they come up with a way to make her absorbtions permanent without killing the absorbees ....still has 30 days left to prep at super duper speed

i don't know what a super scientist can come up with in the equivelant of decades of prep time....... a machine that turns water into hot water?

how about...... creating the tech to give everyone on the team everyone else's powers...... and weapons that fire phased energy pulses that bypass any force fields...... and a suit for Strangefate like the one in "what if...... Tony Stark became sorcerer supreme?" (he invents an armour that instantly recognises threats and comes up with the proper counter spell...... much faster than Strange could alone.... plus it amplifies the wearers power and also fires the standard IM weapons)

Armour for all members..... magical reinforcement for all members



you're missing the point........ my team was created specifically for the optimal prep time usage...... but with the ideas i just thought of (thanks to your prompting) they could also be useful in battle......

my "Ultimate Prep Team" would kick these guys asses

Dormammu , THanos can't be beat.

Only one Skylevel , and 7 fool who are gonna get murdered.

Oh man, I missed this whole thing...


Originally posted by Scoobless
well you never countered my guys plan yet.......

Not sure I dig the whole, "invents something that gets around everything" concept. I think you'd have to be more specific. That includes stuff like, "Make Rogue's power absorption permanent without hurting anybody" and "invent something that gets around all forcefields", etc. Because then you end up in a situation like in The Big Hit:

"Trace his call!"
"It won't work...he has a tracebuster!"
"That's ok, I have a tracebuster buster!"
"Dammit, he has a tracebuster buster buster!"

I do like the idea of armor that auto-counters with a spell, though.

but it's Reed and Tony working at Flash's speed with Surfer's resources...... you KNOW they could do it

Wait...I missed something. How are Reed and Tony working at Flash speed?

because they all got absorbed into Rogue....

But you said, "during the first absorbtion they come up with a way to make her absorbtions permanent without killing the absorbees ....still has 30 days left to prep at super duper speed"

So that means Rogue absorbed them, right? So how are Reed and Tony working that Flash speed when Rogue did the absorbing?

because she absorbs their minds as well........ this time she lets Reed take over as it's all part of the plan....... he can defer to Tony whenever the need arrises

But if Rogue does the mind-absorbing...how does she pass that back to Reed and Stark? You're saying that Rogue absorbs all these people, then Reed takes over? Takes over what? How? And how does Tony get in on that?

well she normally supresses the personalities she absorbs but i'm sure Strangefate (who is Xavier under the mask) can get her to let others take over if she wants them to

Oh, I see what you're saying. So it's not actually Reed and Tony doing it, you're saying that it's actually Rogue with Reed and Tony's personality doing it, right? Her powers don't work that way - she absorbs powers, and she absorbs aspects of someone's personality and memory - she doesn't absorb intellect. So she'd be able to, in theory, recreate anything Reed has created in the past, but she couldn't create anything new from his personality and memories - because it requires specific analytical abilities that he's not able to absorb since it's not a power. Essentially, it's collecting wisdom, but not intelligence. Does that make sense?

Originally posted by demigawd
Oh, I see what you're saying. So it's not actually Reed and Tony doing it, you're saying that it's actually Rogue with Reed and Tony's personality doing it, right? Her powers don't work that way - she absorbs powers, and she absorbs aspects of someone's personality and memory - she doesn't absorb intellect. So she'd be able to, in theory, recreate anything Reed has created in the past, but she couldn't create anything new from his personality and memories - because it requires specific analytical abilities that he's not able to absorb since it's not a power. Essentially, it's collecting wisdom, but not intelligence. Does that make sense?

well if that's the case i'm sure between Strangefate and Manhunter they can switch Reed's mind into Flash's body......... hmmm....... if i do that i can ditch Rogue altogether for someone more useful

That's a reasonable alternative, assuming Reed's mind is able to cope with managing those kinds of physical speeds. So once you've done that, what will you build to counter Team Thanos?

I need a better team....and a plan. And I'm spent, so I'll give up for the moment. And please, no one take shots at my team, even though I previously issued a challenge...demi already did...quite a few logical holes in my plan. My tail is temporarily between my legs but it was that I was misinformed (never actually read a comic with mimic in it, and only a couple with absorbing man) and not lack of planning ability.

And I was going to try and counter the ultimate prep team (ultimate punch in the other, ultimate prep in this...I guess too much of a good thing can be flat out great sometimes) but demi gave it a shot, and it seems like the prep thing could work. They'd still have their work cut out for them, but the super-prep would give them a fighting chance.

-DM

I'm an ogre!

Hmm... I was about to take a shot at DigiMark's team but Demi beat me to it...

Ok...you'll have your chance KVD. New team

Skyfather Level: Asgardian Destroyer
Thor
Martian Manhunter
Mr. Majestic
Adam Warlock
Dr. Strange
The Doctor
AoA Magneto

K...so with my prep, Warlock goes to his apartment and grabs his gem (soul gem?). And Thor hops in the Destroyer.

The fight starts, the doctors and MM take care of the shielding. The Doctor leads a posse of him, Magneto (a hero from AoA), and Majestic over to Apocalypse. Mags pulled Apoc apart before and he can do it again. Majestic provides a distraction and the Doctor takes care of anything fancy Apoc might have done with his prep. Mags rips him apart at the molecular level...bye bye

Meanwhile, Thor in Destroyer armor has greeted Thanos (and by greet I mean punched his face in). Even with prep, and some pretty heavy shields, Thor inside the armor puts him slightly above Odin level (note: none of my choices are above Skyfather but together these two are slightly) so Thanos is stalemating him at best, and getting his face punched in at worst.

Dr. Strange was tasked with keeping Dormammu busy for a while since he knows him well. He isn't winning but he's surviving.

With Apoc gone, the Doctor goes to help Strange and everyone else gangs up on Thanos. Warlock, Thor in armor, Magneto, Mr. Majestic....Thanos is in trouble. And if the two doctors can't take out Dormammu, Warlock comes over and traps him in his soul gem while the doctors keep him too busy to do anything about Warlock and his gem.

The new, improved plan. The tail is officially wagging again.

-DM

Get 'em, KVD!

Originally posted by demigawd
Get 'em, KVD!

Let me translate...

"Get 'em KVD...because digimark actually got off his ass an made a decent plan, and I'd rather have someone else try to pick apart this one."

lol...jk demi.

Oh, and yes, if Apocalypse can grow to the size of Jupiter, he could technically grow pretty damn big. I don't think he could ever grow big enough to have the universe collapse on him because it's expanding damn fast (hundreds of thousands of miles a second) and he probably wouldn't catch up.

That said, I'll admit that it's a dumb loophole in his powers...handy for trying to play devil's advocate in a versus thread (like I did) but not really practical (i.e. it will never happen in a comic). Unfortunately for us, comics are full of discontinuities and loopholes like that, leaving us fanboys to remove the bs from the quasi-realistic stuff. So it might be dumb, but it's a damn fine theoretical argument for Apocalypse fanboys.

-DM

Originally posted by demigawd
That's a reasonable alternative, assuming Reed's mind is able to cope with managing those kinds of physical speeds. So once you've done that, what will you build to counter Team Thanos?

ok, now that i've dropped Rogue i've got

Reed Richards
Dr Strangefate
Martian Manhunter
Iron Man
Flash
Silver Surfer
King Thor

and i'll add...... Kang the Conquerer as my eighth

ok...... NOW it's the Ultimate prep team

Manhunter and Strangefate switch Reed's mind into Flashes body
Tony gives Reed all the specs on all the IM armours......ever
Kang gives him the specs on everything he has including time slip and time travel technology
Reed whips up armour to enhance everyone's abilities while giving them all Thorbuster armour Strength minimum and cerebro style gear for Manhunter and Strangefate...... but multiplied a hundredfold with the use of time travel tech gathering
Surfer reinforces all the materials involved to their uppermost potential
Strangefate gives all the armours the maximum mystical protection available
Reed studies the Flash's connection to the "speed force" and is able to partially mimic the connection giving everyone mach 5 reaction speed

Reed whips up a mutant dampening field to take out Apoc as well but adds protection to it in Strangefates armour..... he also has mystical defences to it so it wont affect him

Reed also enhances Strangefate's armour along the lines of Iron Man's armour in "what if.... Tony Stark became Sorcerer Supreme" so that it amplifies the speed and power of all his incantations

the fight starts with Apoc being immediately dropped as a powerless threat.... he's taken out easily

Strangefate deals with Dormammu..... backed by King Thor...... the big D goes down hard..... everyone gangs up and b!tchslaps Thanos until he starts crying



EDIT: i may have gone over the top.......... you only wanted me to "beat" team Thanos......... not obliterate them.........

Nice. Best use of prep ever.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nice. Best use of prep ever.

-DM

batman aint got nuthin' on me

saint of killers
batman
martian manhunter
beta ray bill
spawn
superman

you get to choose 8 characters.......... who is Saint of Killers?

Originally posted by Scoobless
you get to choose 8 characters.......... who is Saint of Killers?

the guy who wiped DC's GOd lol

he has guns , a cowboy is what you might call him.

wouldn't he be above Skyfather then?........ i mean if he can take out God

And grey fox's team is in some trouble anyway. Superman has exploitable weaknesses, and spawn/batman, even with prep, would be in for some hurt.

...lol, a cowboy with guns taking out God. never heard of it, but you gotta love crappy writing

-DM

Originally posted by Scoobless
ok, now that i've dropped Rogue i've got

Reed Richards
Dr Strangefate
Martian Manhunter
Iron Man
Flash
Silver Surfer
King Thor

and i'll add...... Kang the Conquerer as my eighth

ok...... NOW it's the Ultimate prep team

Manhunter and Strangefate switch Reed's mind into Flashes body
Tony gives Reed all the specs on all the IM armours......ever
Kang gives him the specs on everything he has including time slip and time travel technology
Reed whips up armour to enhance everyone's abilities while giving them all Thorbuster armour Strength minimum and cerebro style gear for Manhunter and Strangefate...... but multiplied a hundredfold with the use of time travel tech gathering
Surfer reinforces all the materials involved to their uppermost potential
Strangefate gives all the armours the maximum mystical protection available
Reed studies the Flash's connection to the "speed force" and is able to partially mimic the connection giving everyone mach 5 reaction speed

Reed whips up a mutant dampening field to take out Apoc as well but adds protection to it in Strangefates armour..... he also has mystical defences to it so it wont affect him

Reed also enhances Strangefate's armour along the lines of Iron Man's armour in "what if.... Tony Stark became Sorcerer Supreme" so that it amplifies the speed and power of all his incantations

the fight starts with Apoc being immediately dropped as a powerless threat.... he's taken out easily

Strangefate deals with Dormammu..... backed by King Thor...... the big D goes down hard..... everyone gangs up and b!tchslaps Thanos until he starts crying



EDIT: i may have gone over the top.......... you only wanted me to "beat" team Thanos......... not obliterate them.........

No counter from me!

Great work!



So can Poccy grow large enough to create his own gravity field that attracts every planet in the galaxy, desroying entire star systems in the process?

Why on earth would Apocalypse want to get that big? What would he wear?

Unstable molecules. Works for everybody else.

The a$$ will be kicked Old School: Avengers & Friends.
For the big gun, I'll take Allfather Thor. The Avengers allstars will include Cap, Iron-Man, Quasar (gaurdian of the universe, after all), and Moondragon. Alog for the ride will come Cable, Doc Strange, and as ever, Adam Warlock. Plenty of grudges to keep the pathos filled epic dialogue flyin.
Prep? Most of the month will be filled by Warlock, Cable, and Strange unravelling the villains' mysterious plot while the Avengers jouney to Asgaurd to convince Thor to re-join them. When they appear for the final conflict, we get Thor in his head to toe Uru armor (from his battle with Jormungandr), Iron-Man in his magic-boosted armor from "Standoff," and the back or Cap's shield will now bear the inscription "Whomever shall lift this Shield, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of the American Dream."
Of course, Warlock will goad Thanos into overplaying his hand. Apocalypse and Cable will join eachother in seeming "death," but with no bodies. Strange spanks Dormammu, as always. Jim Starlin, eat your heart out.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Cap's shield will now bear the inscription "Whomever shall lift this Shield, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of the American Dream."

lol..... Cap doesn't fit with the "American Dream" he isn't out for personal fame, fortune or happiness....... he isn't worthy to lift his own shield

oh come on saint of killers alone from my team could kill them all he woudl fire three shots and they all die

Yeah, but which would make for a better "Epic Thanos War" story? There's a certain form to these things.

Imagine a repeat of the Cap/Thanos facedown from IG, only this time, we get our first glimpse of the new runes in a closeup panel as Cap raps his shield against the ground. Next, bottom half of the page we see a surprised Thanos knocked backby the eruption of energy. Transformed, Cap crackles with lightning like a red white and blue super-sayan, and says something suitably Cap-like before punching Thanos in the jaw.

I almost brought Starfox instead of Quaze just for the dialog.

Originally posted by grey fox
oh come on saint of killers alone from my team could kill them all he woudl fire three shots and they all die

Ok...so if he can do that he is above Skyfather and isn't allowed on your team. Refer to Sentry's rules for this thread for further info....but anyone who could take a prepped Thanos out with one shot is well above Skyfather.

-DM

Originally posted by demigawd
So can Poccy grow large enough to create his own gravity field that attracts every planet in the galaxy, desroying entire star systems in the process?

Yes, technically....like I said, a bad loophole in his powers. The fact that he's never actually been this big might lead some to say that he can't do it or he would have by now, and others to say that it is just because if he did that he would win...and in comics the good guys (usually) need to win.

It's kind of a dead-end argument, and the only reason I sided with "he could do it" instead of "show me an issue number where he's the size of Jupiter" is because I was trying to beat your team. But giving his powers and the parameters set for them by Marvel, yes, Apocalypse could do this.

-DM

Apocalypse is all about survival of the fittest ......... if he could do that he would......... others may or may not survive but finding that out is all he cares about

he can't do it............ where would he get the mass?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Apocalypse is all about survival of the fittest ......... if he could do that he would......... others may or may not survive but finding that out is all he cares about

he can't do it............ where would he get the mass?

Where does he get his mass when he grows to the size of a small building or something??? I don't know...and I don't think Marvel has ever clearly answered that either. In any case, he's never done it, so I suppose one could confidently assume he can't.

But I remain by my statement...given his powers and specifications for them given by Marvel, he SHOULD be able to do it...and not even like Flash exploding someone...nowhere does DC say that he can do that.

...from Marvel's site...

Strength Level: Since Apocalypse can increase his strength by drawing on outside energy sources, his strength is potentially incalculable

Known Superhuman Powers: Apocalypse is a mutant who possesses superhuman strength which he can augment by psionically drawing on outside energy sources. Apocalypse can alter the atomic structure of his body at will in order to change his form. He can even increase his size by taking on additional mass from a presumably extra-dimensional source. Through his ability to alter his form, Apocalypse can give himself virtually any superhuman physical power. Apocalypse's "costume" is actually part of his body, and he can psionically alter its appearance at will. He can levitate himself telekinetically.

...hmmm alter his mass at will from an extra-dimensional source. Where in there does it say he has a limit? All I see is "potentially incalculable"

Well, it says his strength is potentially incalculable. That doesn't mean it's infinite - it just means that no one knows what the limit is yet. That could be because it's really, really high, or it could be because it's never been tested - Poccy doesn't have very many strength feats.

It doesn't, however, apply "incalcuable" to his size, just his strength. All it says is that "He can even increase his size by taking on additional mass from a presumably extra-dimensional source". No information about a limit or lack of limit.

Just because Poccy writers are too crappy too define his powers doesn't mean that his powers are limitless, lol.

Originally posted by demigawd
Well, it says his strength is potentially incalculable. That doesn't mean it's infinite - it just means that no one knows what the limit is yet. That could be because it's really, really high, or it could be because it's never been tested - Poccy doesn't have very many strength feats.

It doesn't, however, apply "incalcuable" to his size, just his strength. All it says is that "He can even increase his size by taking on additional mass from a presumably extra-dimensional source". No information about a limit or lack of limit.

Just because Poccy writers are too crappy too define his powers doesn't mean that his powers are limitless, lol.
if his power was limitless ,

he whouldn't go AHHHHHHHH , when the X-men attacked his ass.

All good points. But these can be attributed to bad writing (both with his power limits and actual battles in comic books) and the need for the good guys to win (it'd be a bit of a downer if Earth collapsed into Apocalypse).

Once again, I realize it's a stupid loophole....but it's a loophole nonetheless. But with no limit set for his growth, it's equally as ridiculous for me to suggest that he can grow to the size of Jupiter as it is for anyone else to say he can't do it. We just don't know.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
All good points. But these can be attributed to bad writing (both with his power limits and actual battles in comic books) and the need for the good guys to win (it'd be a bit of a downer if Earth collapsed into Apocalypse).

Once again, I realize it's a stupid loophole....but it's a loophole nonetheless. But with no limit set for his growth, it's equally as ridiculous for me to suggest that he can grow to the size of Jupiter as it is for anyone else to say he can't do it. We just don't know.

-DM

regardless of his size, he's still a mutant and would be affected by the right mutant dampening technology

K..no argument on the mutant dampening. I was just talking about his ability to grow.

In any case, I'll retract the idea that Apoc can grow to the size of Jupiter. The fact that he should be able to do it and the fact that I think he can (in a fictional sense of course) are outwieghed by the fact that it's never happened. And besides, if I can do it to demi's team (which is originally how this came up), Apoc could do it to my team too. I think I'd be ok, but it'd be a much tougher fight.

-DM

what does the text say in your tick sig?

It says "Cherry Coke. The Drink of Super Heroes" The Tick is holding a cherry coke. It's what I had beneath the pic before I changed it to the Gandalf thing...

-DM