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Quicksilver from DOPF and AOU fights Gabe Law and Gabriel Yulaw from the One (2001 movie). For convenience sake, let say the counterparts have the other one's feats, skills and experience, i.e. DOFP QS has AOU QS's feat and vice versa. Same goes for Gabe and Yulaw

Quicksilver takes them both out by himself.

They kill Gabe and Yulaw becomes the One and murders the multiverse. He is nobody's b!tch!

Yulaw solos.

With their speed and basIC knowledge, the silver boys ko the Laws before they realized what happened.

Yeah, the Laws were able to bullet time before time was bullet time. If only one attack from the Laws connect the Silvers'...,it's over for the silvers.

But none of their attacks will land as QS is far faster.

QS beats yulaw

DoFP has the far superior speed.

AoU has the punching power (dismantles a Ultron bot in one hit).

Both feats allowed = game over.

Bullet timing is kind of piss to DOFP Quicksilver

The Quickie duo might be a tiny little bit faster, but Yulaw is about twenty times stronger and fifty times more skilled. He'll crush them without even needing Gabe's tai chi magic.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
The Quickie duo might be a tiny little bit faster, but Yulaw is about twenty times stronger and fifty times more skilled. He'll crush them without even needing Gabe's tai chi magic.

Clearly you don't get how speed works. Quicksilver's are so fast, Law's are standing still to them like normal people were standing still to the Law's.

Originally posted by KingD19
Clearly you don't get how speed works. Quicksilver's are so fast, Law's are standing still to them like normal people were standing still to the Law's.

Clearly you don't get how speed works. Yulaw is so fast, strong and skilled that the tiny, insignificant advantage in speed the Quickies have count for nothing and they get pounded to paste if they dare come too close.

The major problem with your argument is that QS has much more than a "insignificant" advantage in speed. going by feats he actually has a very large advantage.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
The major problem with your argument is that QS has much more than a "insignificant" advantage in speed. going by feats he actually has a very large advantage.

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Thanks for that. I guess I should post the video that shows Law's "speed". When he breaks out of that truck, it's clear his speed is far below that of Pietro's if you do a direct comparison.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The major problem with your argument is that QS has much more than a "insignificant" advantage in speed. going by feats he actually has a very large advantage.

The major problem with your argument is that you think being somewhat faster than Yulaw gives Quickie an advantage in a fight. Thus, according to your argument, a leopard should pose no significant threat to a cheetah, correct?

And yet, the only thing a cheetah does when it sees a leopard is to run away as fast as it can, knowing that its speed will be absolutely useless in a fight against the superior predator.

Since both Yulaw and Quickie are faster than bullets, the difference in their relative speed is not that significant. But since QS has no skill and no strength, it is like pitting Usain Bolt against a gorilla. Now, once you've proved that a cheetah can win in a fight against leopard using its speed, or Bolt against a gorilla, I will gladly concede the argument. Until then, I'm going with science, evolution, nature and logic - the only thing speed is good for when facing an alpha predator is running away.

Again, QS isn't "somewhat" faster; the clip I posted clearly shows that he is far, far faster than Yulaw.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
The major problem with your argument is that you think being somewhat faster than Yulaw gives Quickie an advantage in a fight. Thus, according to your argument, a leopard should pose no significant threat to a cheetah, correct?

And yet, the only thing a cheetah does when it sees a leopard is to run away as fast as it can, knowing that its speed will be absolutely useless in a fight against the superior predator.

Since both Yulaw and Quickie are faster than bullets, the difference in their relative speed is not that significant. But since QS has no skill and no strength, it is like pitting Usain Bolt against a gorilla. Now, once you've proved that a cheetah can win in a fight against leopard using its speed, or Bolt against a gorilla, I will gladly concede the argument. Until then, I'm going with science, evolution, nature and logic - the only thing speed is good for when facing an alpha predator is running away.

Nah, a leopard and cheetah are far closer in speed to Yulaw and QS. A better comparison would be a sloth and a cheetah. In which case yeah, the sloth poses no threat to the cheetah.

Law's are faster than bullets, but not by much considering Yu Law had to snap his head to the side to avoid a pistol round to the skull.

And when he broke out of that truck, he had to duck down and put a soldier in his way to avoid getting sprayed with bullets in just a few seconds.

Quicksilver on the other hand spent over 2 minutes screwing around while bullets were in flight and actually pushed them out of their original flight path. That shows the speed difference isn't inconsequential. It's quite vast.

That proves he has plenty of strength, as well as him tapping people and sending them flying. If he punched them full strength it would have been a gory, bloody mess. Also the strength that would be required to move a bullet while it's in flight would be insane.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, QS isn't "somewhat" faster; the clip I posted clearly shows that he is far, far faster than Yulaw.

Again, you think this is somehow an advantage that will allow him to beat Yulaw.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah, a leopard and cheetah are far closer in speed to Yulaw and QS. A better comparison would be a sloth and a cheetah. In which case yeah, the sloth poses no threat to the cheetah.

A sloth with twenty times the strength and fifty times the skill of the cheetah?

Yes; I think QS being far, far, far faster is an advantage.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes; I think QS being far, far, far faster is an advantage.

And yet nowhere in nature does speed win a battle when facing a foe stronger and more ferocious. It is only in your imagination where somehow the laws that have evolved in nature over millions of years to give predators strength and prey speed have been inverted.

Being faster in movies and other fiction wins battles all the time.

It doesn't matter what anyone says here, QS is faster, so shut the **** up.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Being faster in movies and other fiction wins battles all the time.

Sure, in fiction. But in this argument we are only using fictive characters to do battle. The rules of battle still apply in this forum, which means your favourite character does not win simply because you say so - you have to prove it. So far, nothing has been proven.

To me, the argument in favour of Quickie winning is like saying Bolt running at top speed will win a battle against a gorilla walking along. Sure, Bolt is moving ten times faster than the gorilla. And yet I am pretty sure Bolt would much rather run the other way than towards the gorilla.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It doesn't matter what anyone says here, QS is faster, so shut the **** up.

I never argued with the fact that Quickie is quicker

QS is so much faster than Yulow (NOT just in running speed but at how he percieves the passing of time) that Yulow would almost be moving in slow motion to him. Sure Yulow is much stronger physically, but as shown by the movie, a gentle touch from QS's finger is enough to one hit KO a human being. Yulow will never be able to touch him and he is strong enough to inflict damage.

Stomp in QS's favor.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Sure, in fiction. But in this argument we are only using fictive characters to do battle. The rules of battle still apply in this forum, which means your favourite character does not win simply because you say so - you have to prove it. So far, nothing has been proven.

To me, the argument in favour of Quickie winning is like saying Bolt running at top speed will win a battle against a gorilla walking along. Sure, Bolt is moving ten times faster than the gorilla. And yet I am pretty sure Bolt would much rather run the other way than towards the gorilla.

And per movie feats QS is so much faster than Yulaw that he is never going to get hit and QS can send people flying with a simple touch which means that Yulaw is going to speed the majority of the fight flying through the air and crashing in solid objects.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
I never argued with the fact that Quickie is quicker

QS Stomps, case closed.

Running at top speed means the cheetah is ten times faster than a leopard walking along. And if it should be suicidal enough to attack a leopard the same thing will happen to it that will happen to Quickie - it will turn into fast food. And Yulaw will still rule the multiverse.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Running at top speed means the cheetah is ten times faster than a leopard walking along. And if it should be suicidal enough to attack a leopard the same thing will happen to it that will happen to Quickie - it will turn into fast food. And Yulaw will still rule the multiverse.

Except QS speed is so much faster he time stops Yulaw.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Except QS speed is so much faster he time stops Yulaw.

That you will have to prove, since Yulaw showed he could easily dodge bullets, which is evidence that Quickie cannot, in fact, time stop him.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
That you will have to prove, since Yulaw showed he could easily dodge bullets, which is evidence that Quickie cannot, in fact, time stop him.

So QS abled to move bullets with his hand, is not able to dodge bullets?

Fair warning, Don't debate with me, you will be destroyed.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So QS abled to move bullets with his hand, is not able to dodge bullets?

Fair warning, Don't debate with me, you will be destroyed.

Based on your reasoning, you just destroyed yourself, since I never stated that. You did.

" which is evidence that Quickie cannot,"

No you did, unless you dont read what you write.

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Here is Yu Law after getting sent to Hades Penal Colony. Notice when he fights, he's having to react to these people attacking him in real time. And they're all moving at normal speed. Quicksilver viewing them would have had everyone frozen in place. They'd all just be on the ground a few seconds later, unconscious.

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This tribute is more definitive evidence.

Starting at 56 seconds, notice when he tosses the guy across the room, he's moving at normal speed. Faster than them, but not so fast that5 people can't react to and perceive him.

1:07, he fights the response officer and hits him into the air, knocking him into slow down mode. But he's still moving quite fast compared to the security guards QS froze in place.

At 1:14, he has to immediately pick the guy up he just beat down to block those bullets. They weren't moving at a snail's pace like they were for Pietro.

At 1:25, he walks through the guards, but every time he knocks them into the air and they slow down, they're moving a lot faster than the guys QS hit, who were basically frozen until Quicksilver turned his perception of time back to normal.

1:38(this is simple running speed). Yu Law is outpacing cars going full speed. Quicksilver on the other hand ran with Magneto so fast that the shockwave of him running knocked a hallway of men into the air. And he was moving so fast, a super genius like Hank thought he was teleporting.

At 2:00, he had to dodge a bullet. He watched it go past, but he had to put in a lot of effort to dodge it. Pietro on the other hand would have had about 2 minutes before that bullet moved a few inches.


There's plenty of evidence in those 2 vids that displays QS is several tiers of speed above Yu Law, and with that speed he can grievously hurt him. Considering just vibrating his hands shattered reinforced glass, and him running was shattering concrete underneath his feet. Even tapping people with his finger was doing similar damage to Yu Law smacking people with motorcycles and hitting them as hard as he could.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
" which is evidence that Quickie cannot,"

No you did, unless you dont read what you write.

"...time stop him." The part of my sentence you conveniently left out.

Yulaw does not possess the speed to hit him. Its really that simple.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yulaw does not possess the speed to hit him. Its really that simple.

I see. So besides misquoting me, your argument quite simply boils down to since a leopard can't hit a cheetah, the cheetah wins the fight. Brilliant logic.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Running at top speed means the cheetah is ten times faster than a leopard walking along. And if it should be suicidal enough to attack a leopard the same thing will happen to it that will happen to Quickie - it will turn into fast food. And Yulaw will still rule the multiverse.

It is not a matter of running speed, it is a matter of how they perceive time and react to it.

While Yulow did see bullets move slow enough to deflect it with his gun, QS was fast enough to have the bullets literally freeze in mid air and allowed him to put on his headphones (strange that it somehow played at the speed he can listen to, but it's movies, what can you do?) run around the room, taste soup, knock out 5 guys and individually move the bullets with his finger all within that space of time.

This shows a VAST difference in terms of perception and reaction speed. In the time it would take for Yulaw to raise his arm to defend against one punch from QS, QS would have weaved around it and hit him a dozen times at the back of his head.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It is not a matter of running speed, it is a matter of how they perceive time and react to it.

While Yulow did see bullets move slow enough to deflect it with his gun, QS was fast enough to have the bullets literally freeze in mid air and allowed him to put on his headphones (strange that it somehow played at the speed he can listen to, but it's movies, what can you do?) run around the room, taste soup, knock out 5 guys and individually move the bullets with his finger all within that space of time.

This shows a VAST difference in terms of perception and reaction speed. In the time it would take for Yulaw to raise his arm to defend against one punch from QS, QS would have weaved around it and hit him a dozen times at the back of his head.
That's why this is interesting. QS may be faster and pack a wallop, but Yulaw is quite stronger and more durable as well as fast enough to react to QS atleast a few times, not mention leagues above QS in skill

Originally posted by KingD19
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Here is Yu Law after getting sent to Hades Penal Colony. Notice when he fights, he's having to react to these people attacking him in real time. And they're all moving at normal speed. Quicksilver viewing them would have had everyone frozen in place. They'd all just be on the ground a few seconds later, unconscious.

You do realize he would be weakened after the teleport and the fight he had with gabe right?
Originally posted by KingD19

watch?v=7fmadN9k8xw

This tribute is more definitive evidence.

Starting at 56 seconds, notice when he tosses the guy across the room, he's moving at normal speed. Faster than them, but not so fast that5 people can't react to and perceive him.

1:07, he fights the response officer and hits him into the air, knocking him into slow down mode. But he's still moving quite fast compared to the security guards QS froze in place.
At 1:14, he has to immediately pick the guy up he just beat down to block those bullets. They weren't moving at a snail's pace like they were for Pietro.
At 1:25, he walks through the guards, but every time he knocks them into the air and they slow down, they're moving a lot faster than the guys QS hit, who were basically frozen until Quicksilver turned his perception of time back to normal.
1:38(this is simple running speed). Yu Law is outpacing cars going full speed. Quicksilver on the other hand ran with Magneto so fast that the shockwave of him running knocked a hallway of men into the air. And he was moving so fast, a super genius like Hank thought he was teleporting.
At 2:00, he had to dodge a bullet. He watched it go past, but he had to put in a lot of effort to dodge it. Pietro on the other hand would have had about 2 minutes before that bullet moved a few inches.
There's plenty of evidence in those 2 vids that displays QS is several tiers of speed above Yu Law, and with that speed he can grievously hurt him. Considering just vibrating his hands shattered reinforced glass, and him running was shattering concrete underneath his feet. Even tapping people with his finger was doing similar damage to Yu Law smacking people with motorcycles and hitting them as hard as he could.
Yulaw has been ran over by a car, smacked with a fire extinguisher, etc. He isn't going down easily

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
That's why this is interesting. QS may be faster and pack a wallop, but Yulaw is quite stronger and more durable as well as fast enough to react to QS atleast a few times, not mention leagues above QS in skill

Stronger is irrelevant here. It is obvious Yulaw would be able to KO QS if he manages to hit him. But he never will.

I also disagree that he will be fast enough to react to QS. He was barely able to react to that gun, just managing to bring his gun up just at the right time to block the bullet. QS literally moved so fast bullets froze in time. This is orders of magnitude faster. Yulaw will never be able to react to QS in any meaningful way.

Skill is irrelevant. QS is too fast for it to matter.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
That's why this is interesting. QS may be faster and pack a wallop, but Yulaw is quite stronger and more durable as well as fast enough to react to QS atleast a few times, not mention leagues above QS in skill

Only Yulaw isn't fast enough to react to QS, as their feats clearly show.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The major problem with your argument is that QS has much more than a "insignificant" advantage in speed. going by feats he actually has a very large advantage.

7y65W617I0w If Quicksilver is faster than the speed of sound, how is he able to listen to music?

edit: I am stronger than a bullet. I am larger than a bullet. I am smarter than a bullet. I am a better fighter than a bullet.

The bullet is so fast that it would still kill me in a direct confrontation, despite the fact that I am its superior in all other regards.

Its obvious he has some sort of persona aura of protection in speed mode. How else does his clothes stay on or his skin not peel off or his hair not get ripped out.

Let's look at it another way. Superman is vastly stronger than the Flash, yet if Flash hit Supes with multiple IMP's in the first few picoseconds, then Supes is either KO'd or he's get temporarily BFR'd.

The same would apply to QS hitting Yulaw, just in smaller scale.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If Quicksilver is faster than the speed of sound, how is he able to listen to music?

edit: I am stronger than a bullet. I am larger than a bullet. I am smarter than a bullet. I am a better fighter than a bullet.

The bullet is so fast that it would still kill me in a direct confrontation, despite the fact that I am its superior in all other regards.

Movie physics, the scene clearly shows that QS is far faster than Yulaw

The leopard / cheetah analogy that persists in this thread made me log in just to say how hilarious it is.

DoFP QS is many times over the speed of the Law-guys, ridiculous levels of it. It's like some of you people didn't even DoFP or The One, not even a little bit.

We're talking a difference of time 'moving very slow' Vs 'time practically standing still' from the respective perspectives of Law and QS.

Originally posted by Placidity
The leopard / cheetah analogy that persists in this thread made me log in just to say how hilarious it is.

Yeah. It's a bad analogy. QS is faster by a large margin and CAN hurt Yulaw and Law. The evidence is there.

Why is this even a debate? DoFP QS could scoop both Laws' eyeballs out before they are able to react if he wanted to, or any number of things to get him the win on his own.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Why is this even a debate?

Because certain people don't understand levels, they are basically arguing that Cap and Superman both have superstrength, thus Cap would win a fight because he is more skilled.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Let's look at it another way. Superman is vastly stronger than the Flash, yet if Flash hit Supes with multiple IMP's in the first few picoseconds, then Supes is either KO'd or he's get temporarily BFR'd.

The same would apply to QS hitting Yulaw, just in smaller scale.

At least Superman is insanely durable, Yulaw is...not.

LOL at everyone missing the point. What happens once one of the final two Laws die should be the real topic of discussion...


The remaining law will get a HUGE SPEED AND STRENGTH boost. When one is left...I think he takes this.

Why would QS kill one of them?

Originally posted by wallman77
LOL at everyone missing the point. What happens once one of the final two Laws die should be the real topic of discussion...


The remaining law will get a HUGE SPEED AND STRENGTH boost. When one is left...I think he takes this.

We don't know how instantaneous that change is. Considering the speed of the QS's, they'd probably kill both Yulaws before one of them could become the one.

Originally posted by FrothByte
We don't know how instantaneous that change is. Considering the speed of the QS's, they'd probably kill both Yulaws before one of them could become the one.

Check out this very canon quote from the director's cut of "The One"

Where does it say in the OP that this battle is to the death? The QS team, considering they apparently have all each others feats, strengths etc., according to the OP, is more than strong and fast enough to KO the Laws without killing them, and without that much trouble.

I think what Panthero was trying to say was that Yulaw is so skilled that with his strength, skill, experience and speed, he should be able to keep the fight going longer than a one second knock out

He shouldn't be able to though. No amount of experience or stats from what Yulaw showed would be enough to even move when Quicksilver activates his personal speed field and everything slows down.