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Hello fellow star wars fans;
I've been posting for a while and now I have finally started my first thread please go easy on me.

This thread is for discussion about the technological advancements of the Republic/Empire from Episode 2 to the Original trilogy(specifically highlighting Episode three for being saga bridge).
I thought it would be neat to discuss this seeing the origens and advancements of military units ranging from the tie fighter all the way to the At-At.


Righto; I'll start it out with the jedi starfighter in ep.3- I thought it was cool how its cock pit is partially that of a tie fighter.

and the wings are like the tie fighters, and on a tv spot u can see the previous tie fighter

Yeah that's cool too; they basically integrated that and the v-wing clone fighter for the tie fighters.

The Emperor is escorted by two Tie like ships when he rescues Vader from the lava. Don't you think that GL did a wonderful job with the ARC fighters? It is a great predecessor to the X-Wing.

Yes, and the continuity in technology, because the ARC-170 has only two engines and the X-wing have four

The X-Wing with its four engines is smaller and faster than the ARC-170, however I'm not sure that they actually take a leap forward. The Emperor (I believe) will put limitations on new technology fearing that new technology would be a threat to his rule. If you really look at a side by side comparison of any of the ships from the PT and the OT I think you would have to agree that they take a step backwards instead of forward.

Well, I think maybe not, for example if you put legs to the Turbotank the result is something like the AT-AT It's like they were trying to do smaller walkers first.

Thats a good point but think back to AOTC those SIX legged walkers were pretty high tech. They go from six legs to four, if thats not a step backwards what is?

Think about this too. The Clones go from being these bad assed commando type wariors to being storm troopers who couldn't hit the side of an AT-AT if they were standing in it. Another step backwards.

That's true, but I read something about the clones in the OT are not as good warriors as the ones in the PT because they used others sources different than Jango to made them

But anyway the Jedi interceptors ( Eta 2) and the ARC-170 are amazing designs.Other reason of the lack of technology in the OT maybe the lack of fundings because all the resources were directed to build the Death Star also Incom (who made the X-Wing) defected to the Rebelion.

Originally posted by jedijunky1138
Thats a good point but think back to AOTC those SIX legged walkers were pretty high tech. They go from six legs to four, if thats not a step backwards what is?

it's a step forward, in a way. The AT-AT's height allows it to fire at targets a whopping 17+ kilometers away, while an AT-TE has less range.

Also...how is a star destroyer a step down from the Republic cruisers?

Anyone know the size differende between the Episode 3 Republic cruisers and the OT Destroyers?

star destroyers look like junk compared to the republic cruisers.....IMO...i really hope they dont put the MF in ep3.....it looks f n sweet as a pile of junk id hate to see it brand new and shiny

The republic cruises with that sword design they have look very cool!

An Imperial-class star destroyer pwns a Venator-class star destroyer.

The imperial has bigger (bridge) shields. It also has his docking station beneith the ship instead of on top and there are more weapons located.
The main generator in the imperial class is also more inside the ship so its harder to destroy. In the venator the main generator is in the tower (below the bridge).

And in the imperial class star destroyer is flight control and conn/tactical in one bridge. In a venator class destroyer is flight control in a seperated bridge.

look at it like this:if you look at some of the imperial ships in the OT they are more advance because they simply have the funding for it. i wouldnt be surprised if the emperor taxed the galaxy heavily to fund for these things. then you look at the rebelion, they have NO funding and their ships are very boxy and jagged compared to the imperials sleek designs. its more of a difference in funding. i seriously think that they shouldve just put in regular OT tie fighters in ep.3 to tie it in a little bit more. it seems like every time they have to invent a new ship for each new movie instead of sticking to one design or whatever. i liked how in the OT the x-wing was the MAIN starfighter throughout the entire trilogy, with side ships being revieled along the way. in the PT, only a few original ships have remained. when i first saw the N1 starfighter i thought: "wow thats the x-wing of the PT" but they kept changing everything on us, never sticking to the original design. now how hard wouldve been to have the original jedi starfighter from ep2 be in ep 3? it wouldve shown a little bit of continuity between the movies. some of it is cool and some of it is just plain annoying.

Originally posted by .pace Opera:.
it seems like every time they have to invent a new ship for each new movie instead of sticking to one design or whatever. i liked how in the OT the x-wing was the MAIN starfighter throughout the entire trilogy, with side ships being revieled along the way. in the PT, only a few original ships have remained. when i first saw the N1 starfighter i thought: "wow thats the x-wing of the PT" but they kept changing everything on us, never sticking to the original design. now how hard wouldve been to have the original jedi starfighter from ep2 be in ep 3? it wouldve shown a little bit of continuity between the movies. some of it is cool and some of it is just plain annoying.

if you think about it, it makes sense to have a whole bunch of different ships cos the PT is about a whole bunch of little armies being consolidated into one large, centralised force i.e. the Empire. In a way all the little skirmishes in the PT are a field test for Palpatine to find out what he really wants in his navy, army etc...
and besides, the the duration of the OT was only about 3-4 years, which is about the same gap between AotC and RotS. So the technology would not have advanced as much.

im not sure if this is posted but in this pic ive posted the at-te's have sprouted tall legs, i think that is the origin of the at-at

look here behing the wookie army

http://images.killermovies.com/s/starwarsepisodeiii/gallery/starwars3_22.jpg

Yes its also in the Visual dictionary.
It's called a clone-pod

a clone pod? never heard of that

Also, don't forget that in this episode we are at war. There is a need for these giant war machines, like the Juggernaut. In the OT the war is over and all this military stuff is streamlined to be more for enforcement and and intimidation.

Clone pods are those three legged artillery walkers in that Wookie army photograph

Originally posted by Darth Luke
im not sure if this is posted but in this pic ive posted the at-te's have sprouted tall legs, i think that is the origin of the at-at

look here behing the wookie army

http://images.killermovies.com/s/starwarsepisodeiii/gallery/starwars3_22.jpg They also only have three legs.

its called an at-ap all terrain attack pod

there are no AT-TEs in that pic, just Attack Pods and Juggernauts. At-TEs are shown in this pic

Originally posted by Alliance
Also, don't forget that in this episode we are at war. There is a need for these giant war machines, like the Juggernaut. In the OT the war is over and all this military stuff is streamlined to be more for enforcement and and intimidation.

Yes thats very true. That's why the stormtroopers are noobs and badly trained.

Originally posted by Alliance
there are no AT-TEs in that pic, just Attack Pods and Juggernauts. At-TEs are shown in this pic

well all i said is that they were at-te's with tall legs, i didnt know what they were called so i just put my words like that

Originally posted by Lord Banshee
Yes thats very true. That's why the stormtroopers are noobs and badly trained.

Despite that, I don't see why in the world the Empire eliminated the LAAT Assault gunship from its arsenal. Imagine if those would have been used at Hoth.

they could of wiped out the snowspeeders, but the empire aint smart they rely on everything else like when they came out hyperspace too close to hoth they thought they were strong enough, probaly were but vader wasnt happy

No, that was Ozzels fault. He died for the mistake too.

well he was the admiral or commander so he was representing the empire

Well, Vader does too and he was very disappointed with him. It could have been personal pride but it still seemed to be a mistake.

he probaly thought he was smart and tried to impress everyone, he seemed quite full of himself

This is true; and then got what was comin to him

yeah, his air was cut off, he should of took some airwaves chewing gum lol

ha

After seeing ep2 and being super spoiled about ep3 does anyone think that the A-wing could be a spawn of the jedi starfighters?

Originally posted by Echuu
Despite that, I don't see why in the world the Empire eliminated the LAAT Assault gunship from its arsenal. Imagine if those would have been used at Hoth.

Thinking of the trilogy in are time...they weren't even created yet. Thats why they weren't there But good point the Empire should have thought about air cover.

Yeah it was a dumb question on my part; I suppose you could say though that they were fighting a bunch of rebs so they hadn't much need for airsupport; they just send in the shuttles with the troops and fly off!

And it wouldn't do much for the plot if they were entirely anhilalated.
BUt yeah, all this clone wars/EPISODE III weaponry rocks!

The new ARC ships remind me of X-Wings crossed with Snow speeders. I kinda like that, but the only thing that looks wrong is the sleek curves and stupid looking s-foils. A bit too Star Trek, but that's my personal preference.

I actually like the evolution of the land based craft. AT-ST's and AT-AT's really do look awesome now. More armoured, untouchable and fearsome than the clone predecessors. They are a logical progression with the Empire theme of "invincibility".

The Jedi Starfighters remind me more of TIE Interceptors. The main body is the shape of a Interceptor wing. Makes sense because the TIE Interceptors were the Empires finest fighters, so they oughta be based on the superior Jedi fighters right?

I would have preffered to see some Y-Wings though. They were always stated as the old school fighters, and the X-Wing replaced them because they were faster, and the older Y-Wing fighters were converted into bombers. Woulda been nice to have seen pre-bomber Y-Wings in Episode III. It would have also have been cool if we saw Vader's TIE Fighter, but in huge volumes, because that, at one point was the prototype TIE fighter but was too expensive to mass produce. Yeah, it's EU, but i liked it.

I never liked the Naboo Starfighter. It looked so out of place in a Star Wars movie. I know, they were the royal ships, so they would be sleek and clean - but come on, I can't respect any ship that gets dubbed as "The banana fighter" by fans.

I'm also not convinced with the TRI fighter either. Looks a little too "borg" or "matrix" rather than Star Wars.

Originally posted by Red Superfly

I actually like the evolution of the land based craft. AT-ST's and AT-AT's really do look awesome now. More armoured, untouchable and fearsome than the clone predecessors. They are a logical progression with the Empire theme of "invincibility".

The Jedi Starfighters remind me more of TIE Interceptors. The main body is the shape of a Interceptor wing. Makes sense because the TIE Interceptors were the Empires finest fighters, so they oughta be based on the superior Jedi fighters right?

I would have preffered to see some Y-Wings though. They were always stated as the old school fighters, and the X-Wing replaced them because they were faster, and the older Y-Wing fighters were converted into bombers. Woulda been nice to have seen pre-bomber Y-Wings in Episode III. It would have also have been cool if we saw Vader's TIE Fighter, but in huge volumes, because that, at one point was the prototype TIE fighter but was too expensive to mass produce. Yeah, it's EU, but i liked it.

I never liked the Naboo Starfighter. It looked so out of place in a Star Wars movie. I know, they were the royal ships, so they would be sleek and clean - but come on, I can't respect any ship that gets dubbed as "The banana fighter" by fans.

I'm also not convinced with the TRI fighter either. Looks a little too "borg" or "matrix" rather than Star Wars.


I agree mostly- especially with the landbased stuff. Like the transition of the AT-TE to the Turbotank to finally the AT-AT. I bet what they were thinking there is that by episode 3 they basically said"we need the backbone of our groundforces to be faster" so they put wheels on it. Then you see how they put the legs back on and made it taller which increases their range.

Y wings; I think that the arc-170 fighter is the predecessor to the y-wing- it has two main engines just like the y wing; it seems they just made them longer. the y wing had the potential for two pilots also; one of them a gunner. I dont know if this counts for anything but the lego arc-170 fighter has "bombs" that it can drop.
The tri-fighter is droids at their best; i kinda like it.
Do you think there is any similarity between the tie interceptor and the common droid starfighter? They kinda look alike and it would make sense since palps had influence on both sides of the war.

Originally posted by Echuu
Y wings; I think that the arc-170 fighter is the predecessor to the y-wing- it has two main engines just like the y wing; it seems they just made them longer. the y wing had the potential for two pilots also; one of them a gunner. I dont know if this counts for anything but the lego arc-170 fighter has "bombs" that it can drop.
The tri-fighter is droids at their best; i kinda like it.
Do you think there is any similarity between the tie interceptor and the common droid starfighter? They kinda look alike and it would make sense since palps had influence on both sides of the war.

Oh yeah I didn't think of it being like the Y-Wing, that's actually pretty cool.They are kinda like a cross between the X and Y-Wing. I'm still a bit undecided about the sleekness of it though. Could have done with a few more right angles and clear edges.

Don't get me wrong, I like the TRI Fighter. The CGI artwork is stunning, but I don't think it has any place in a Star Wars film, that's all. It just doesn't seem to "fit". It has a great sci-fi feel, but just not a Star Wars feel.

I wish there was a signature ship though. There hasn't been a "Falcon" or a "X-Wing" for the prequels. Something that shouts STAR WARS! as well as a TIE Fighter. I mean, sure, the timeline is bigger in the PT, but it needed SOMETHING to connect them all. Even if it was just Anakin and Obi having the same starfighters in Episode II and III, that woulda been enough to get an iconic ship in the audiences mind.

Yeah I know what ya mean. For the tri fighter I think that georgie just wanted another fighter for the confederacy to make things more interesting. I guess he could have made something different. It seems to be too circular.
I totally got ya with the singnature ship. I think it may be the prequal star destroyer. I don't know if you've seen any of those tv spots but for a second they showed a few of the destroyers in orbit with clone v-wings(with the classic tie fighter roar) flying around. It really gave me the feel of the original trilogy even though they didn't have them in episode 1.

And i guess its ok because the whole droid army thing dies out anyway. They are wired, but i think they are supposed to be more cultural...like the Naboo craft, we really didnt have any cultural craft in the OT it was, well, excludignt eh MonCalamari Crusiers in ROTJ, but it was either the Empire or whatever the Rebs could find. But if you think about it, all this Naboo and Wookie and CIS military stuff is supposed to be cultural (not that the CIS is a culture but you get me drift). Thats what makes the Vwings and Jedi Starfighters and Star Destroyers fit so nicely. That shot in teh new teaser with the Star Destroyers and V wings rocks my world. Just because we know whats coming....

Yeah I do think it is more cnsistent with the OT.

At least the Blockade Runner is in it, totally unchanged (although it seems to have some blue neon glow in certain parts that I don't ever remember seeing in ANH). It looks stunning too. Really nails the Star Wars feel.

I always thought it woulda been cool if the Tantive IV was like the Millenium Falcon of the prequels. There's no real reason why it couldn't have been either. Woulda kept that Star Wars feel and when the Tantive IV is captured in ANH, the torch is "passed on" to the Falcon.

Shame it had to be those rediculous silver dildos instead, lol.

That reminds me; does anyone see any similarity between the confederate ships we see in Episode three and the rebel ships from ESB and RTJ?

By the way, thanks for the pic Alliance

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Yeah I do think it is more cnsistent with the OT.

At least the Blockade Runner is in it, totally unchanged (although it seems to have some blue neon glow in certain parts that I don't ever remember seeing in ANH). It looks stunning too. Really nails the Star Wars feel.

I always thought it woulda been cool if the Tantive IV was like the Millenium Falcon of the prequels. There's no real reason why it couldn't have been either. Woulda kept that Star Wars feel and when the Tantive IV is captured in ANH, the torch is "passed on" to the Falcon.

Shame it had to be those rediculous silver dildos instead, lol.

Dang; I just thought of something- in episode 1 when qui-gon and obi-wan land on the droid control ship their ship is very similar to the Tantive. They could have made their ship the Tantive if they could find a way for it to remain in tact instead of being blown to bits.

not really, the Medical Frigate, the stange ship looks something like the Seperatist Juggernaut in Republic COmmando, I dont know if they are using the ship in the movie, oh wait they are here.

Oh yeah I noticed those ships. The big beetle shaped ships in Ep III look like the transports that escape Hoth.

There's also a ship in Episode III that looks like a big gun. That made me think of the medical frigate from ESB and ROTJ.

Damn you read my mind alliance.

Well and the big Donught ships have a Death Star in the middle, you read mine, i was just about to to the "beetle ships"

I'm talking about the cruiser in the upper left corner. Sorry for how small the pic is. It's all I could find.

here they are

nah, I cant think of anything really, you could try to pull the MonCalimari Cuisers, but thats just a big bubbly grey ship.

The rebel just had to pick up whatever they could find, even if it was an old scrap. Rebel Scum.

lol; since palps got rid of droid military forces the rebs could have gotten their hands on some of that crap.

Also I have a question. For the episode 1 deleted scenes there is one when qui-gon is walking away with Anakin and the camera goes in on this big piece of machinery or something that looked familiar to me. Anyone know what it could be?

hmm, i dont know, but ill check it out tomorrow. Too late