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Gladiator vS Champion

Gladiator, easily, Champ can fight better but thats his only advantage. One punch from Gladiator at beyond warp speed and Champ needs a new head.

Originally posted by armandovalles
Gladiator, easily, Champ can fight better but thats his only advantage. One punch from Gladiator at beyond warp speed and Champ needs a new head.
lol Champion will rip Gladiator.

armandovalles do you know who the champ is?

Didn't the Champion already beat Gladiator in the She-Hulk series?

The Champion is probably the strongest and best fighter in
the Universe (excluding the Cosmic Beings who surpass
him in strength ofcourse).

He takes this, and with plenty of pain for Gladiator too.

he's only the strongest when he has the power gem, im assuming when this thread was made he meant Champ without the gem. And yea, he beat him once in the She-Hulk series but thats cuz he once again had the gem.

Regardless, the guy has been training and fighting for
hundreds of millions, if not billion+ years!

I wouldn't be surprised if he decided that Gladiator and
his mohawk looked too stupid to be allowed to go on,
and killed him with one punch to a sensitive area.

if gladiator is moving at beyond light speed, what makes u think champion can even hit him?

It's become obviosu that you need to read a comic. You have no idea what's going on. There are tons of what if's. What if this what if that. This isn't DC, people don't do shit like that

Originally posted by armandovalles
if gladiator is moving at beyond light speed, what makes u think champion can even hit him?

lol

I think after hundreds of thousands of fights, Champion
has learned to deal with such speedsters, assuming he
isn't one himself ofcourse.

armandovalles, the Champion is an Elder who has
dedicated most of his loooooong existence to fighting,
he's not going to get beat by the likes of Gladiator.

Shi'ar Imperial Guard or no Shi'ar Imperial Guard,
Gladoator has absolutely nothing on Champion.

like i said in the other thread...I guess gladiator could speed rush thanos too huh?


If you think about it that way, you realize this Speed rush idea is being stretched out too far. Gladiator will never put Thanos down...never. I don't care how fast he bum rushes him

EPIC ENCOUNTER - I had no definite idea who should win, but small edge to Champion for experience.

Champion would win as much as I really like both. Even without the power gem Champion has had all the time in the Universe to develop his POWER however he saw fit to do so.
The Elders are supposed to be more influential in their own way than Celestials.
They were the first ones ever in the Universe.

Surfer even said at the end of the She-Hulk issue where he beat him that if Champ didnt have the Power Gem any one of them, including Gladiator, would have been able to beat him.

it was Gladiator that said that arman, and once again a good story falls victim to poor writing. she-hulk should have never beaten Chapmion.

Champion will kill gladiator plain and simple. The Champion alone with his primordial powers is a monster he can increase his strength, speed/reflexes, invulnerability to ridiculous levels. In a all out battle champion wins hands down, no chance in hell does gladiator has of beating the champion. The She-hulk should have never have beaten the champion that is bad writing period, honestly the champion is the most dangerous h2h combatant in comics written well no one I mean no one can beat him in a fight.

If you think she-hulk shouldn't have beaten the champion...then hulk shouldn't have beaten gladiator. Another form of bad writing.

RAO YOUR SOUNDING MORE MORE LOGICAL ,AND I SEE YOU GOT NEW RANK COOL YOUR ALMOST DE-VIRGINIZED ,ANY WAY CHAMP WINS HANDS DOWN ITS NOT EVEN FAIR...CHAMP CAN BATTLE MULTIPLE ODDS AT ONCE IF HE REALLY WANTED TO.....HE ENJOYS THE BATTLE AND IS SAID THAT HE COULD END ANY FIGHT IN A SECOND BUT HE RATHER STUDY HIS OPPONENT IN ORDER TO MIMIC HIS OPPONENTS STYLE......

Both guys job too much. It's not right.
Anyone have scans of the fight they had in She-Hulk?

Originally posted by roughrider
Both guys job too much. It's not right.
Anyone have scans of the fight they had in She-Hulk? I do.

1. http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7555/shehulk7106zi.jpg
2. http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1205/shehulk7148bn.jpg

Originally posted by armandovalles
Gladiator, easily, Champ can fight better but thats his only advantage. One punch from Gladiator at beyond warp speed and Champ needs a new head.

I don't get you guys.
Where the heck have you seen him do this stuff?
It NEVER, (and I will repeat this for you die-hards), NEVER happens like this!
I don't know, maybe it takes too much out of the super speedsters to do this stuff.
or
Maybe it is actually dangerous to them too. Like, moving that fast, against a very powerful, very sturdy enemy could end up in a super speedster breaking himself against his opponent.
or
Maybe, when moving at super speeds, the power of the blows is lessened.

Whatever the reason, you will never see Gladiator using superspeed, and beating Juggernaut with it, Champion with it, or any other class 100.
IMO.

Champion destroys Gladiator. Easily.

Originally posted by JWangSDC
It's become obviosu that you need to read a comic. You have no idea what's going on. There are tons of what if's. What if this what if that. This isn't DC, people don't do shit like that

I agree.
I have posted thread after thread, showing how it takes more than super speed to be able to do this is any type of logical, or realistic manner.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I don't get you guys.
Where the heck have you seen him do this stuff?
It NEVER, (and I will repeat this for you die-hards), NEVER happens like this!
I don't know, maybe it takes too much out of the super speedsters to do this stuff.
or
Maybe it is actually dangerous to them too. Like, moving that fast, against a very powerful, very sturdy enemy could end up in a super speedster breaking himself against his opponent.
or
Maybe, when moving at super speeds, the power of the blows is lessened.

Whatever the reason, you will never see Gladiator using superspeed, and beating Juggernaut with it, Champion with it, or any other class 100.
IMO. I agree with what you're saying about Gladiator never doing a move like punching someone at warp speed. He's never done that, so there's no real reason to say he would. But you're making it sound like Gladiator's speed counts for nothing in a fight. Which is definately not true.

Examples...
Using his speed to defeat Thor...
1. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7519/vsglads1f5uc7fe.jpg
2. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6044/vsglads1g0ra5pe.jpg
3. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8950/vsglads1h9jt3gc.jpg
4. http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/299/vsglads1i9to6kv.jpg

Using Speed against Cannonball...
1. http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8432/gladiatorvscannonball41tu.jpg

Against Nova...
1. http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9482/nova055rp.jpg
2. http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5894/nova068vw.jpg

And here Reed and Company are using to tech to move at amazing speeds. Gladiator's able to do so under his own power.
1. http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9463/gladiatorf4speed9ei.jpg
2. http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8585/hyperspeed35nr.jpg

I'm thinking this fight would go alot differently if Thor didn't have the tech enhancing his speed...
1. http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6158/glads3a1ne7ut.jpg
2. http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6201/glads3b1lp3er.jpg
3. http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/51/glads3c4ki8ce.jpg
4. http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4678/glads3d0az7wq.jpg
5. http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7103/glads3e1qu5zq.jpg

And finally, If someone like Northstar can hurt the Hulk because of of speed, a guy who can move just as fast but is also insanely strong is gonna do a hell of alot better.
1. http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/344/northstarspeedblitz8fz.jpg
2. http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8279/gladiatorsuperspeed6ov.jpg

Gladiator doesn't use speed in fights to do crazy stuff like some people will say, but he does use it. Andagainst slower opponents like Juggernaut, Hulk etc. it should give him a great advantage (unless a writer ignores it, eg Hulk Annual '97).

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I agree with what you're saying about Gladiator never doing a move like punching someone at warp speed. He's never done that, so there's no real reason to say he would. But you're making it sound like Gladiator's speed counts for nothing in a fight. Which is definately not true.



I know something you don't know. Gladiator isn't really that fast.
he has a lot of twin brothers, and theyall dress the same.

Before a big fight, they all hide someplace, and during the fight, they take turns jumping up and hitting the bad guy, then they hide again.

So, it looks like he is moving at hyper-speed.

Case closed.

Hehe.

Abilities: The Champion has mastered untold thousands of different martial arts and fighting styles culled from across the known Universe, and spends the majority of his time between championship matches practicing these arts. The only thing I see wrong with Champion is his leg are not porption to his upper body he needs Hulks legs lol

Why is Champion always having boxing matches. Why not mama all out fight?

Gladiator.

Could someone post what happened to Champion without the power gem.

Champion as originally written would crush Gladiator...

Champion as the jobber supreme that Marvel has reduced him to loses...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Champion as originally written would crush Gladiator...

Champion as the jobber supreme that Marvel has reduced him to loses...

This

The Champion was originally written to be Marvels equivalent to DC's Karate Kid, meaning he has mastered tons of fighting techniques and has lived thousands to millions of years with a main purpose of doing nothing but fighting. I'm not sure what happened down the timeline, but the writers started writing him like the Rhino for some reason.

There is no bigger jobber in comics then the Champion.

Champion has all of the energy of the big bang inside of him and He knows every fighting style in the Universe. No one short of Galactus should be able to take this man out but Marvel is dumb. A waste of a good character.

Originally posted by King Burger
I think after hundreds of thousands of fights, Champion
has learned to deal with such speedsters, assuming he
isn't one himself ofcourse.

armandovalles, the Champion is an Elder who has
dedicated most of his loooooong existence to fighting,
he's not going to get beat by the likes of Gladiator.

Shi'ar Imperial Guard or no Shi'ar Imperial Guard,
Gladoator has absolutely nothing on Champion.

He has nothing on him..besides that pesky massive speed advantage.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I don't get you guys.
Where the heck have you seen him do this stuff?
It NEVER, (and I will repeat this for you die-hards), NEVER happens like this!
I don't know, maybe it takes too much out of the super speedsters to do this stuff.
or
Maybe it is actually dangerous to them too. Like, moving that fast, against a very powerful, very sturdy enemy could end up in a super speedster breaking himself against his opponent.
or
Maybe, when moving at super speeds, the power of the blows is lessened.

Whatever the reason, you will never see Gladiator using superspeed, and beating Juggernaut with it, Champion with it, or any other class 100.
IMO.

Champion destroys Gladiator. Easily.

Uh dude you aren't dealing with some big mystery here. It's called PIS, it's necessary for comics. That is why characters with super speed don't always use it how they should. It's the reason why a guy who throws boomerangs can be a villain to someone like the Flash.

So now outside the confines of a comic book we don't have to worry about the plot and making the comic book not be over in three pages. Thus why you will see people saying characters with super speed will shockingly..use it to their advantage. As opposed to how it is in comics where everyone with super speed is stricken with a very specific form of amnesia that makes them forget they have that power.

I remember back when champ was undefeated and if memory serves me correct he lost his first fight to Surfer. Then he lost to Drax and She - Hulk. Anybody have a total count of Champs defeats?

Champ wasn't that impressive boxing Thing. Just sayin

Also Starlin wrote Champion as kind of an idiot so that he looked bad against Thanos. After that the idiot thing basically stuck.

The jobber that Champion turned into would lose this, although Gladiator is not exactly what he once was either.