Hercules vs. Abomination

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Betageuze
has hercules ever fought the Abomination ?

long pig
No, but he would MURDER him.

Herc' outclasses him in every way possible.
No contest.

Betageuze
long pig... do you know the fact, that Abomination at one day.. has nearly murdered an angry Hulk ?

so how this could be an easy match for Hercules

long pig
Well, like I've said, Hulk starts out at class 70, Abom starts out at class 100, Abom ALWAYS beats him at the start of the fight, then Hulk gets enraged and kicks his ass.

Since Abom doesn't get stronger with rage, he is totally outclassed.

Herc'=100+(or 300-400 tons)
Abom=100 tons flat.

Also, Herc has HUNDREDS of years of fighting experience and training, Abom' is just a decent hand to hand fighter.

Curbstomp.

Betageuze
Hulk has held a whole mountain on his back... he is like Herc well over 100 ton.... and his limit is already unknown .....

and by the way.... we all know, that hulk very fast reach the 100ton level....

long pig
It's hard to be sure how fast he reaches it.

But it takes a very good while, hours at least.

But yes, Hulk can far exceed the 100ton mark, but it takes time.

Abomination on the other-hand never grows stronger.

K3VIL
Originally posted by long pig
Well, like I've said, Hulk starts out at class 70, Abom starts out at class 100, Abom ALWAYS beats him at the start of the fight, then Hulk gets enraged and kicks his ass.

Since Abom doesn't get stronger with rage, he is totally outclassed.

Herc'=100+(or 300-400 tons)
Abom=100 tons flat.

Also, Herc has HUNDREDS of years of fighting experience and training, Abom' is just a decent hand to hand fighter.

Curbstomp.
Abomination on the other-hand never grows stronger.<---If Abom feels fear for his life or fear for the death in combat, his strenght is boosted like that of Hulk, stated from MODOK.
Hercules is top rank Class 100 even inf half god form.300-400 Tons?
ROTFL.He can lift things over 300'000 Tons of weight, he's equal to a Thor without the hammer.

long pig
I was jus referring to rage-strength.
If he get stronger by fear than that's cool too.

300,000 tons? Sure, why not.
What's your point?

Wynndar
Hulk is 100+class at his base if he's green...and when has he had to get mad for hours? that was one of the most stupid things ive heard

Wickerman
Originally posted by long pig


Abomination on the other-hand never grows stronger.

What anger does to hulk, fear does to Abo

~wickerman~

edit: kevil said the same thing

Wynndar
yea Modok captured him and figured that out...when Modok threatened to make Abomination fight the Hulk again, Abomination's strength increased exponentially.

Wickerman
Originally posted by Wynndar
yea Modok captured him and figured that out...when Modok threatened to make Abomination fight the Hulk again, Abomination's strength increased exponentially.

Indeed. And considering that his strength starts above that of the Hulk, and can also grow as the hulk's, he has enough potential (even though he's always losing to the jolly green giant sad )

~wickerman~

long pig
Not so fast ol' bean, I finally found the issue where it takes Hulk hours to be as strong as Thor.

THOR #385: Thor sees Hulk reeking havoc and decides that if he were to use his hammer he could kill Hulk, so he tosses it aside and goes at hulk h2h.

Thor punches Hulk around for a minute and they engage into a WWF style "Strength Hold", basically testing who is the strongest, Hulk doesn't break the hold until almost 3 hours, then he basically pummels Thor.

But, I admit I was wrong about Abom, it happens.

Wynndar
Hulk owned Thor in that fight.

long pig
Exactly, but only because Thor held back and threw away his hammer.

It still took Hulk 3 hours to become Thors strength.

He's 90class as calm hulk.

who?-kid
The time needed for Hulk to become even stronger depends entirely on the writer, so I think arguing about it is a waste of time. Sometimes, it takes a few good punches, other times, hours.

And I don't think Hercules would have it easy against Abomination.

armandovalles
i dont think Abom's heart would still be beating after 5 or 6 well-placed punches by Herc.

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
this abom getting stronger thing was a short lived power that seems to have been tested out then not used ( probably as hulk has limitless strength) hulk is the only one out of the two whos strength increases

wolverine8888
actauly in herc new sieries he beat the shit out of him

olympian
And how.

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More here peeps.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=360625&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1

wolverine8888
yup

ImmortalOne
This is soooooooooooooo uneven !!!

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
statistically abom is stronger

yahman
Herc one Hit Abomination recently

Mortal Herc vs Abomination would be a good fight.

Abomination is well over 100 tons. He has what i refer to as Demi God strength i.e. he's stronger than Thing and colossus (Who can lift around 100 tons) but below people like Thor, Gladiator and Enraged Hulk.

Others with Demi God strength include:

Ultimate Colossus, Namor, Wendigo (on a good day), Sasquatch (the original version), Hulk Buster Iron Man,

People at this level have shown (in extreme circumstances) that they can lift thousands of tons, although they are usually ilustrated around the 100 ton mark. smile

olympian
"statistically abom is stronger"

Statistically he was owned.

leonidas
hercules should win this without all that much trouble.

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
but statistically abom is too much for herc to handle. i mean he is a rval for hulk for crying out loud who is limitless in his strength. abom is tooo high a level for herc to beat. unless abom is written weakly as he has been for a while

olympian
Statically you got owned.

Like Abomination.

He won once. And lost how many until today.

Hercules OTOH except the time he was depowered in half never lost against Hulk. That speaks him as a rival more than anything.

Even if he aint no historicall nemesis like Abom is.

wolverine8888
well think of this way does thor beat hulk? cuz herc is equal to thor.

olympian
Thor can in fact beat Hulk. Both Thor and Hulk have ko each other before and stalemated.

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
hulk is above herc, thor in regards to physical power. how he is written is obviously going to fluctuate

olympian
He fluctuates so much he never won against the two, at they`r best so far.

severance
herc has strength feats to match Hulk (when he's immortal)

tossing 8000 ton godzilla, holding up golden gate bridge and believe it or not shifting the isle of manahattan

he is also a way way better fighter than Abomination (gotta be about 2500-300 years old)

hercs also a hero. he was severely de-powered when hulk fought him. hulk beat him within an inch of his life and he refused to quit Zeus had to intercede to save his mortal son's life.

on the other hand abomination is a coward and a total p*ssy. when hulk wailed on him once ( this was banner hulk) abom burst into tears.

I reckon it would be a tough fight but the god of strength will ventually take it (in the rematch that is)

olympian
Severely depowered in -one- of the ocassions they fought tho. He has matched and held his own in all the others.

Its just a nitpick, the whole post is correct, Severance.

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
hulks strength feats are far superior.number 1. hercs held his own till some or other occurance has saved his hide number 2. number three, screw the writers im arguing on a character basis here. on that herc cant get to being as strong as hulk, or as durable. neither can thor. so there. i win. u dont.

olympian
"hercs held his own till some or other occurance has saved his hide number "

Really? Didnt Hulk ran off once? Oh yes he did.

"number three, screw the writers im arguing on a character basis here"

The writers are what make the characters, not you bimbo.

"on that herc cant get to being as strong as hulk, or as durable. neither can thor"

Sure. Just show me where he won to both in theyr best.

You are :

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7863/biatch9zq.jpg

Owned.

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
writers dont make the characters , they they use their characteristics to make stories u berk. i win, now dust my crack

olympian
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7863/biatch9zq.jpg

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
er thats nice. i like my bitches to have a sense of humour

olympian
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Owned.

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
yes i own you. dont forget that

olympian
Thou art :

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6596/thorpwnzdoomsday7vs.jpg

I almost forgot about this one. Its pure gold.

" writers dont make the characters "

How was the Hulk " born " then beer

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
well its herc losing to abom, and u are my biiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttt
ttttttttttcccccccccccccchhhhhhhh

olympian
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Powned.

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Ouch. My jaw hurts.

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
abom is twice as strong as herc i believe . ha ha how your hero fails b4 his opponents

olympian
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" hush little baby, dont say a word "

TOUGHUS GUYSUS
unlckucky though. herc is more a match for thing and maybe rhino

olympian
Definatly.

Hulk may be a match for Spiderman real soon.

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yahman
Originally posted by TOUGHUS GUYSUS
unlckucky though. herc is more a match for thing and maybe rhino

laughing out loud laughing out loud

Are you maybe realted to I Hate C matser ~~'/@:~@:?>' ~~## #~~~~# Kid ?

olympian
He is his father.

armandovalles
Originally posted by TOUGHUS GUYSUS
abom is twice as strong as herc i believe . ha ha how your hero fails b4 his opponents
Originally posted by TOUGHUS GUYSUS
unlckucky though. herc is more a match for thing and maybe rhino

wow dude ur retarded. Herc could easily kill guys like Thing, Rhino, Colossus, Abomination. In his peak he was probly the strongest physical being ever in Marvel (below Skyfather). He was in his prime when he was in the Avengers when Monica Rambeau (Photon I) was the leader. Go to the Respect Hercules thread to check out his strength. Currently he's still mortal just like wen Hulk almost killed him but over time Herc's strength has increased, but he's still far from what he was in his prime. Even in his weakest form (the mortal one that was almost killed by the Hulk) he could still probly kick Abomination's ass. After all, although he was almost killed, he still gave the Hulk a good fight in that issue.

yahman
Originally posted by olympian
He is his father.

Indeed ! smile

yahman
Originally posted by armandovalles
wow dude ur retarded. Herc could easily kill guys like Thing, Rhino, Colossus, Abomination. In his peak he was probly the strongest physical being ever in Marvel (below Skyfather). He was in his prime when he was in the Avengers when Monica Rambeau (Photon I) was the leader. Go to the Respect Hercules thread to check out his strength. Currently he's still mortal just like wen Hulk almost killed him but over time Herc's strength has increased, but he's still far from what he was in his prime. Even in his weakest form (the mortal one that was almost killed by the Hulk) he could still probly kick Abomination's ass. After all, although he was almost killed, he still gave the Hulk a good fight in that issue.

Olymp 's ..... what is the deal with Herc and his current power level ? He seemed pretty strong in his recent mini , is he still at a 'Immortal Herc' level, or has he increased

armandovalles
no dude his "Immortal Herc" level was when he was in his prime in the Avengers i talked about. Nowadays he's still mortal but his strength has increased alot since first becoming so so now he's alot stronger from when he was almost killed by the Hulk, but his prime version "Immortal Herc" is still multiple times stronger than this version.

yahman
Originally posted by armandovalles
no dude his "Immortal Herc" level was when he was in his prime in the Avengers i talked about. Nowadays he's still mortal but his strength has increased alot since first becoming so so now he's about 10x as strong as he was when he was almost killed by the Hulk, but his prime version "Immortal Herc" is still at least 2x stronger than this version.

Are those figures official ? shifty

armandovalles
no i was just guessing but think of it like this: Mortal Herc was officially stated to be Class 75 when he fought the Hulk, and in his prime i read somewhere that he was more like "Class 100....Million" rather than just Class 100. And nowadays im guessing the max weight he could lift is probly around the Class 200 mark because although he's gotten alot stronger, he was still beat in arm-wrestling by an amped-up She-Hulk.

yahman
Originally posted by armandovalles
no i was just guessing but think of it like this: Mortal Herc was officially stated to be Class 75 when he fought the Hulk, and in his prime i read somewhere that he was more like "Class 100....Million" rather than just Class 100. And nowadays im guessing the max weight he could lift is probly around the 100,000 mark, but still far from his prime.

Mate seriously you need to relax ..... put down the calculator and enjoy this :

(yahman passes armandovalles, the spliff) afro

Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by olympian
Definatly.

Hulk may be a match for Spiderman real soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/SpideyvsHulk1.jpg
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sad

It's official. Hulk is a jobber. cry

armandovalles
Originally posted by yahman
Mate seriously you need to relax ..... put down the calculator and enjoy this :

(yahman passes armandovalles, the spliff) afro

LMAO no dude i totally relaxed dont worry about it.

olympian
"Olymp 's ..... what is the deal with Herc and his current power level ? He seemed pretty strong in his recent mini , is he still at a 'Immortal Herc' level, or has he increased"

Hes not at "immortal levels " yet. Hes close to it.

" Nowadays he's still mortal but his strength has increased alot since first becoming so so now he's about 10x as strong as he was when he was almost killed by the Hulk, but his prime version "Immortal Herc" is still at least 2x stronger than this version. "

Armando, your confusing the mortal "two" Heracles that showed up.

When he was - first - made mortal, aka before the fight with Onslaught Hulk he was depowered in half of all his might.

During some time, especially from his tenure with "Heroes for Hire" and his three issue mini (wich is in the thread) he continued to be depowered by that amount.

After that mini and some stories, writters portraited him again as a powerhouse. We have the Jurgens Thor issues and the Busiek Avengers and Thunderbolts as examples, when he does things like battling the Exemplars, sending Thor flying with a punch across a bar, battling the army of the dark Gods, and beating on the Thunderbolts.

Even tho he is - still - depowered. In any of those stories there are character statements that prove it.

My point of view? His strenght has slowly returned to him with the time since he was first depowered. But hes not up there yet. Not officially at least.

Hope that helped a bit.

leonidas
<<It's official. Hulk is a jobber. >>


crybaby

'sokay, cc, let's drink our sorrows away . . .

drunk

oh, and as was shown in the scan -- herc wins. though i'd have thought abom would put up more of a fight. course, i guess i shouldn't have expected much of a guy that get's sliced by wolvie in a couple panels . . .

olympian
Agreed.

Now pass on the beer, dont have it all for yourself.

superman302
sadly abomination has became that pawn to show of the more popular heros but if it was abomination like he was when he first fought the hulk he would win this one.

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