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Captain America


vs.


Wildcat

i'd say captain america for slim majority without the shield. with it a bigger majority.

Cap all day long.
Stronger.
Faster.
More durable.
Much, much more stamina.
Better fighter.

Cap everytime. Yeah, he might have a fat lip, but he'll be the one standing in the end.

i wouldn't say cap is stronger or more durable.

Cap. WS Cap may not do as well as Steve.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i wouldn't say cap is stronger or more durable.

Why not?

they're at least tied. ted grant is exceptionally strong/durable human, even among peak humans. superhumans have fallen to WC is straight-up, no-nonsense, close-quarter brawls........and he doesn't have a shield.

What stength feats does he have that are on Cap's level?

he does things like punch through brick walls, crush car hoods, KO guys with super durability, etc etc. the regular cap thing really. plus i'd say he's stronger/tougher than bats(who is peakhuman), which is right around where i'd say cap is. on average i'd say cap is slighty stronger, but this guy's taken punches from the bat when he had metal spiked gloves on his hands, and came out with the obvious edge in the fight.

Cap has punched through the wall of a nuclear reactor which IMO is >>>> a brick wall plus has ko'd members of the Wrecking crew and Rhino who I would wager have much better durability than the people Wildcat has KO.

So again, what feats does Wildcat have that are on Cap's level?

lol. please.............i don't wanna have to say it.it always seems like a cop-out


the wrecking crew? rhino?

IOW, you don't have any comparable feats for Wildcat.

1. what class is captain america?

2.captain america is still a street leveler right? not a mid teir or even a low meta?

3.explain to me just how bic C managed to accomplish those things after you accurately answer those questions.

Borrowed from another site

Strength feats

Cap easily pushing the head of a soilder as it cracks the concrete.
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9247/caf0603li3.jpg

Carrying a motorcycle.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8095/adventuresofcaptainamerdb4.jpg

Cap is startled a bit and crushes a gun.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2021/adventuresofcaptainamernj4.jpg

Easily breaking shackles.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2554/adventuresofcaptainamervc5.jpg

Breaking chains.
http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/3047/captainamericav48p11hgwra3.jpg

Easily bending jail bars.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/4444/advofcaptainamerica416gg7.jpg

Again bending jail bars.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9194/adventuresofcaptainamerqs8.jpg

Catching a thick Torpedo and hitting the other with shield.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3656/captainamerica37story2pqw5.jpg

Cap escaping from a huge snake with some aid.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9692/captainamericav330p11bl8.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4901/captainamericav330p12iz8.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2010/captainamericav330p13jn8.jpg

Cap holding off the Superhuman Cap.
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1802/captainamerica15605mm6.jpg

Cap holding off Maddog.
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/551/captainamerica41116cp1.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/751/captainamerica41117fa5.jpg

Cap holding the strong arms of Lady Octopus.
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwar41314zh0.jpg

The Superhuman Berserk tilts a car over Cap, as we see later the car is upright.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7192/captainamerica24415tf6.jpg

Cap tearing metel off a tractor.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5274/cap339pg18wz6.jpg

Cap pulling the arm off a robot.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6751/captainamericavol31316fv4.jpg

Cap breaks out of a shield containment device.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6906/captainamericavol31022rc6.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1537/captainamericavol31025sz5.jpg

Cap bend's the flap of a jet from the outside.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6562/captainamericavol31019sv2.jpg

Cap pulling a supply truck through the desert.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2944/captainamericadmr2of303zm4.jpg

Cap makes a steel door buckle as you see it twised up as its on the ground.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/189/camedusaeffect049td3.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4290/camedusaeffect050mq6.jpg

Cap with the aid of his shield stops a falling elevator by applying it through the other side, as he applies enough force stops the elevator.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2904/captainamericav303315fm8.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2278/captainamericav303316un4.jpg

Cap manually closes the nuke launch doors.
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31222pg8.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31223sq0.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31224rb3.jpg

Cap keeps open the Gamma-core doors.
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200610rougherki0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200613rougherpp2.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200616rougherqs1.jpg

Cap works out easily with 1100 lbs.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7048/captainamericav1402ocd0fr6.jpg

Cap lifts a big piece of debris off.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6935/ca01036zc1.jpg

Cap easily deflects a statue thats stated to weigh a Ton or more.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6794/captainamerica256p13hi7.jpg

Cap tilts over a big heavy statue that he's chained up too.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8306/captainamericav305060aa0.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav305062ts1.jpg

Cap breaks out of cryogenic freezing, there was no space for levarage as we see even slight finger movements start breaking the thick ice.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4712/captainamerica444p22uk1.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1761/captainamerica44501id6.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1307/captainamerica44503zw3.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3151/captainamerica4450405al5.jpg

Cap picks up the massive Big Bertha.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2332/wca06420ny8.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3863/wca06421nj4.jpg

Cap tackles Ironman.
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3263/ai04018si4.jpg

Cap tackles Namor.
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/262/captainamericav412p22hgaz2.jpg

Cap holds off Namor.
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p15hghy4.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p16hglq2.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p17hgth7.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p18hglj8.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav412p19hgwo0.jpg

Cap tackles down the big three Ironman, Giantman, and Thor.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2299/avengers00405yg6.jpg

Cap makes Thor/Ironman feel his strength as they are both holding Cap down.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7100/avengersv100903ve6.jpg

Cap holds up lots of debris and breaks out.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8959/captainamerica36918gc4.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9294/captainamerica37001yd7.jpg

Cap holds up lots of falling concrete and steel.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6338/captainamerica22817oh9.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4535/captainamerica22902mv1.jpg

Cap holds up a good portion of a Skyscrapper.
http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol30924jh9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol30925nh2.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31003ml6.jpg

i hate to be the bad-guy when it comes to this. cap is a good character, but you have to draw the line somewhere. holding off namor(100+ tons)? tackling ironman(90 class). the rules clearly state that these kinds of things are not usuable here.

Sorry but he's done things like that several times under multiple different writer, they count.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i hate to be the bad-guy when it comes to this. cap is a good character, but you have to draw the line somewhere. holding off namor(100+ tons)? tackling ironman(90 class). the rules clearly state that these kinds of things are not usuable here.

Even if you see those feats as part of Cap's jobber aura, his other feats still surpass everything you listed Wildcat as doing.

ps Batman has decked Wildcat before with suprising ease.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Even if you see those feats as part of Cap's jobber aura, his other feats still surpass everything you listed Wildcat as doing.

ps Batman has decked Wildcat before with suprising ease.

True, even is you ignore several of the highest feats from that list, most of the rest is still > Wildcat's feats.

well again, i don't want to be the bad guy here. so i'll try a different approach.



it is so very clear now from those scans that cap is definitely a marvel counterpart to batman. they're "high-end" showings are equaling.............i'll just say "amazing".

cap has 1 stalmate and 1 loss against batman. WC on the other hand had an obvious advantage when he fought bats. their fight was also much more brutal. they fought roman gladiator style with spiked metal gloves. the first fight cap had with bats in the marvel/dc crossover is the most compelling piece to this arguement. he did worse against batman h2h than wildcat even though he had his ultimate weapon of choice which he has mastered like no other could.there's no denying he's much more formiddable with that shield. batman never relinquished a weapon until the final scene of the fight where he took advantage of cap's distraction and nailed him with a batarang..........i think it's a little softer than him hitting him with a spiked metal glove though.

Originally posted by Silent Master
True, even is you ignore several of the highest feats from that list, most of the rest is still > Wildcat's feats. you know nothing besides what i've stated off the top of my head, so i doubt you're in a position to make such a statement.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Even if you see those feats as part of Cap's jobber aura, his other feats still surpass everything you listed Wildcat as doing.

ps Batman has decked Wildcat before with suprising ease. when? specific issue would be nice. i've heard thy've had several fights in which WC always gave him a hard time and seemed stronger/more durable.


i know for sure that there's at least one example of this. brave and the bold #118

Those aren't his high end showings, If I wanted to list those I start with him throwing his shield fast enough to catch an ICBM.

As for his crossover fights with Batman(which don't really count), one was fan voted and Cap had the advantage in the other two.

Originally posted by namorsubby
you know nothing besides what i've stated off the top of my head, so i doubt you're in a position to make such a statement.

Then start posting matching feats for Wildcat.

lol.i'm not going to start working to conjour up a crapload of feats when i know some guy will just sit back and pick apart every scene.trust me, i know.i'm big on posting scans. not so much so anyore though.


found a better approach. i've used a reference point, batman.

IOW, You can't prove that Wildcat is on Cap's level.

just did..........and without slaving to impress you.address the quoted statement.

No, you didn't, proof would be showing matching or superior feats for Wildcat and that is something you refuse to do.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol.i'm not going to start working to conjour up a crapload of feats when i know some guy will just sit back and pick apart every scene.trust me, i know.i'm big on posting scans. not so much so anyore though.


found a better approach. i've used a reference point, batman.

Wasn't one of the crossovers fan voted. Also Batman stated Cap would probably win if they straight up fought. Anyway we should not turn this into Cap v Batman.
Wildcat is physically outclassed by Cap in every way. Plus Cap is more skilled. Did Cap not learn an alien martial art in one day or something crazy like that?

how can you make such a statement when all you know is what i have most generously provided for you? BTW, you weren't very appreciative either. when a man provides you data to base an argument on, you thank him.


the fact that batman said cap probably would've won in the jla/avengers thing only further helps my arguement. wildcat had the advantage just like cap did when they fought, but it was more obvious. cap's stamina was all that influenced batman to make such a claim. i believe batman said something like this to wildcat:

"you almost tore my head off with that last one"


FYI that >cap/bat confrontation


BTW guys, you don't have to fret. i did vote cap FTW you know

Originally posted by namorsubby
cap's stamina was all that influenced batman to make such a claim. i

Prove that.

they were evenly matched forever. batman stated that if it went on, cap probably wouldn't won. if it's not obvious to you that stamina is the issue here........i just don't know what to say to you.

The fight/test didn't last long enough for Batman to realize Cap has enhanced stamina, IOW you're just speculating on the reason.

The writer himself(Kurt) said that Batman was admitting Cap was more skilled.

This is downright frustrating. Namorsubby wants everybody to prove that Cap is better and when they do, he refuses to counter with anything comparable because people will pick it apart. Amazing. The best he comes up with is freaking crossovers in which the only time Batman won was when it was the fan voted mess. Also speaking of DC counterparts, Batman and Wildcat are peak human and can never achieve anything beyond that unless they gain some outside power source later in their careers. Cap has a super soldier serum. He is beyond peak human.

It really is that simple.

Originally posted by tkitna
This is downright frustrating. Namorsubby wants everybody to prove that Cap is better and when they do, he refuses to counter with anything comparable because people will pick it apart. Amazing. The best he comes up with is freaking crossovers in which the only time Batman won was when it was the fan voted mess. Also speaking of DC counterparts, Batman and Wildcat are peak human and can never achieve anything beyond that unless they gain some outside power source later in their careers. Cap has a super soldier serum. He is beyond peak human.

It really is that simple.

Precisely. I've given up debating this subject with him.

Originally posted by tkitna
This is downright frustrating. Namorsubby wants everybody to prove that Cap is better and when they do, he refuses to counter with anything comparable because people will pick it apart. Amazing. The best he comes up with is freaking crossovers in which the only time Batman won was when it was the fan voted mess. Also speaking of DC counterparts, Batman and Wildcat are peak human and can never achieve anything beyond that unless they gain some outside power source later in their careers. Cap has a super soldier serum. He is beyond peak human.

It really is that simple. i can't believe this. this is downright insufferable.


what in god's name have you guys been reading from me? if you try to throw some crap about cap competing with 90 class and 100 class guys the yeah of course i'm gonna shot it down. IT'S CALLED COMMON SENSE.what else besides those ridiculous showings does cap have on him? you guys expect to tell you everything you need to know about wildcat and provide scans while you're arguing against him and you don't even know ho is. the fact that there's several of you popping out posts right and left that don't exactly hit on the core off my argument doesn't help either FYI.


*sigh*........................forget it. anyway,stop whining, i voted cap FTW anyway. i was just trying to enlighten you guys on wildcat. lost causes evidently.


edit:


CAPTAIN AMERICA IS PEAK HUMAN.IF HE'D WAS BEYOND THAT, HE BE SUPERHUMAN.

Originally posted by namorsubby
1. what class is captain america?

2.captain america is still a street leveler right? not a mid teir or even a low meta?

3.explain to me just how bic C managed to accomplish those things after you accurately answer those questions.

Cap is a low Meta

Originally posted by namorsubby
i can't believe this. this is downright insufferable.


what in god's name have you guys been reading from me? if you try to throw some crap about cap competing with 90 class and 100 class guys the yeah of course i'm gonna shot it down. IT'S CALLED COMMON SENSE.what else besides those ridiculous showings does cap have on him? you guys expect to tell you everything you need to know about wildcat and provide scans while you're arguing against him and you don't even know ho is. the fact that there's several of you popping out posts right and left that don't exactly hit on the core off my argument doesn't help either FYI.


*sigh*........................forget it. anyway,stop whining, i voted cap FTW anyway. i was just trying to enlighten you guys on wildcat. lost causes evidently.


edit:


CAPTAIN AMERICA IS PEAK HUMAN.IF HE'D WAS BEYOND THAT, HE BE SUPERHUMAN. He is beyond peak human dummy . Cap has nigh unlimited stamina.

Originally posted by godking
He is beyond peak human dummy . Cap has nigh unlimited stamina. lol. my friend i assure you that cap is not a low-meta.

i don't understand how you can know of cap and not know that. being peak human is definitely what is most stressed when mentioning cap's power. check a bio, a comic, anywhere.


oh, and reported

edit:

"Physical attributes enhanced to peak of human potential"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_america

Originally posted by godking
Cap is a low Meta
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html

Originally posted by godking
He is beyond peak human dummy . Cap has nigh unlimited stamina. Please back your claims and stop with the names. Thanks

Originally posted by Badabing
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html

Please back your claims and stop with the names. Thanks

I love when our tiers thread gets posted as evidence. Believe it!

i suppose i was right then.



BTW guys, never said cap didn't win this match. in fact, i said the exact opposite several times.

cap FTM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I love when our tiers thread gets posted as evidence. Believe it!

Yep. Truth ftw!

capt

Cap.

Cap. Probably still be a god fight, but cause of the super soldier formula Cap's strength is stronger than that of a normal human, he is also faster, more durable and agile. Wildcat is exceptional to but he is still only human. Thats why in h2h Cap trounces all normal fighters. (For example batman & fam, wildcat, black canary and anyone else without superpowers)

Don't forget about The Mighty Shield.

Cap ftw.

Cap 10/10.

Cap.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't forget about The Mighty Shield. the shield is really a big thing IMO.

even with out it he win