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Why is the Tri-wing ARC starfighter on the Rebublican side during the Clone Wars? When the Rebublic is changed into the Empire, the ARC starfighter is then on the wrong side. Would this not produce a conflict between the Tri-wing Acr fighter(x-wing prototype) and the Empire's upcoming fighter of choice, the dreaded "Tie-Fighter"? Both fighters would then be on the same side? How does the ARC fighter(x-wing) eventually land on the Rebels side?

ANSWERS:

Please note, that although Bail Organa retreated to Alderan with the exiled Jedi child, Leia, he still functions within the Senate under the rule of the new "Galactic Empire". This would implie that he still participates in the galactic senate, although he may plot to undermine the Empire's goals. Note: That in Ep IV, Leia is being chased by Star destroyer because she is suspected of plotting againts the Empire. Although Bail Organa and Leia actively participate as Alderan representatives, they are truely the hiding Rebels striking at the Empire. This said, One can conclude that since Bail Organa has been plotting againt the Empire since Leia's birth, then his planet would recieve ACR fighters under the notion they are actively serving the cause of the Empire. Eventually, before the Empire would decide to produce "Tie Fighters", they would expand the ARC series one more class to 'X-wing". Bail Organa acting as an Empire colaberator, would then recieve a shipment of these new X-wings. These final X-wings are the one's seen in Ep IV "New Hope" at the end of that film when Han/Luke return the plans to Alderan. these X-wings were the last Bail Organa got before the Empire switched to total "Tie-fighters". Now, there is a bridge between the ARC fighter being on the Rebublican side , when the Rebublic would turn into the Empire. This would at minimun produce a hypothetical evolution of the ARC fighter and how it croossed over to the Rebvels side. this room has been......exorcized!

Huh?

i second your "huh?"

HUH?

Read it well , Lord vader, search your feelings you know it be true!

If that is confusing, then you are not a True Star wars Fan! a true fan could disect that info, and come to a conclusion. It is well explained. no one has thought of it at all!

well rebellious group tend to take whatever weapons they can get a hand on, guess that in the begining they didnt have the time to construct a totally new craft, what do you ? Steal the crafts and the idea of an existing craft

its all BS. I read it. They imply at the end of ROTS that they already have early TIES. They probably develop those, realize the X-wing is just not as an efficient ship for their needs, and stop using them. Then at some point the Rebels start using X-wings, because they are older and cheaper. All that stuff in your post makes no sense and is pointless.

I think I read in some thread rebels stole the designs.
But that was a long time ago in a thread far, far away...

Originally posted by finti
well rebellious group tend to take whatever weapons they can get a hand on, guess that in the begining they didnt have the time to construct a totally new craft, what do you ? Steal the crafts and the idea of an existing craft

Very, good observation about the Rebels economical situation. but does it sound correct about the ARC starfighter being on the Reblican(Galactic Empire's) side when the Rebels eventually get X-wings and the Empire has Tie-fighters? this is the most realistic conclusion. anyone else can add something, please do!

what exactly is your point? We SAW the ARC-170 being used by the Republic and early Empire. Apparently they stopped by the time the OT rolls in. Is that what you're trying to figure out?

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
what exactly is your point? We SAW the ARC-170 being used by the Republic and early Empire. Apparently they stopped by the time the OT rolls in. Is that what you're trying to figure out?

The question is: Why is the ARC star fighter on the Empires side, when in ep IV its on the rebels side, and the empire has Tie-fighters. i produced a HYPOTHESIS, it is a observation made followed by a textual claim. it is a fair question, and one that i am sure has not been posted ever in KMC history. Therefore, one can question and come to a conclusion regarding the hypothesis and its foundation. By questioning the foundation of this hypothesis, one can create conversation and fun talk between participant in a forum such as , KMC. I regret that you are having difficulties understandind that question posted here today. If there are any questions regarding the validity of such a claim, please feel free to PM me, at the giving e-mail address where we can futher discuss this issue off the boards. We thank you for your participation, and your consideration on the topic at hand. again, thank you!

the empire had no use for the arc fighter cause the Tie fighters obviously were much superior crafts, and it has to do about style as well. A well organised army is slick, everything sort of fits to each other, its a way to show control.
Also in a well drilled armed forces you dont see a lot of variety in appearances of their weapons. It also tells the enemy that you are up against a well equipped and organised( in many cases superior) force.
Look at the ROTJ space battle. The Empire with little variation in their crafts very slick, very symmetric, very well organised looking. While the Alliance has a loads of different looking ships, very raggle taggled looking, very unorganised looking, and very easy to spot and target the different groups as a tactical flank manoeuvre.

While the Alliance has a loads of different looking ships, very raggle taggled looking, very unorganised looking,


The reason the rebels have an assortment of ship is because it is a PLANETARY COALITION of forces. All weakened systems that can produce any star ship or fighter to counter the Empire would then be considered to join the Rebels, because of this there are so many different looking starships. not because symetrical ship look nice when they fly by. No, no! i reject. It is simple, i identified that the ARC ship was on the wrong side, but i also provide an hypothesis on how it gets in the hands of the rebels.

true but they still could have used similare crafts, thing is the alliance used what they were able to scramble together which actually looks like they are very unorganised
. they wasnt on the wrong side, it was the republic against the seperatist, when Palpatin decleard it to be The galactical empire, opposing systems that was on the same side now stood against each other. So during the clone war they were at the same side, it is just that the empire scrapt the arc craft and the alliance grabbed, like all guerilla rebellios group do, whatever they could get their hand on

"it is just that the empire scrapt the arc craft and the alliance grabbed, like all guerilla rebellios group do, whatever they could get their hand on"


bINGO!1 yOU NAILED IT HERE WITH THIS LINE! BAZING!

Originally posted by Eddy Urquia
The question is: Why is the ARC star fighter on the Empires side, when in ep IV its on the rebels side, and the empire has Tie-fighters. i produced a HYPOTHESIS, it is a observation made followed by a textual claim. it is a fair question, and one that i am sure has not been posted ever in KMC history. Therefore, one can question and come to a conclusion regarding the hypothesis and its foundation. By questioning the foundation of this hypothesis, one can create conversation and fun talk between participant in a forum such as , KMC. I regret that you are having difficulties understandind that question posted here today. If there are any questions regarding the validity of such a claim, please feel free to PM me, at the giving e-mail address where we can futher discuss this issue off the boards. We thank you for your participation, and your consideration on the topic at hand. again, thank you!

You don't need a hypothesis. Thats my point. We SAW them use the ARC's. That's why they're on the "Empire's" side as you mentioned in the beginning of the quoted post. They built them. They used them. They decided they were obsolete, and went exclusively to TiE fighters. I'm not having difficulting understanding anything but why you are making this so friking complicated for yourself. But thanks for explaining how KMC works, I really didn't get what I've been doing on here for two and a half years... Believe me, the day I need someone of your intellect explaining star wars to me is the day I become a Star Trek fan.

Originally posted by Eddy Urquia
"it is just that the empire scrapt the arc craft and the alliance grabbed, like all guerilla rebellios group do, whatever they could get their hand on"


bINGO!1 yOU NAILED IT HERE WITH THIS LINE! BAZING!

FINIT AND I HAVE BOTH ALREADY STATED THAT!!!!

Are you crazy or just messing with us?

I think he's wacko...

huh someone mentioned Star Trek

ANSWERE: Who cares.

Originally posted by finti
huh someone mentioned Star Trek

only to make the point that I'd never be into it

Originally posted by LandoSpeeder2
ANSWERE: Who cares.


RE:Answer
I care. I care alot, it is a fair question, and it should produce constructive criticism and conversation.i

Riiiiiiiight.
I'm tellin ya:

It doesn't need to be discussed Eddy, that's the point we're all trying to make you understand. Theres a simple explanaition: Empire decided to stop using them. If you'd like to have your thirst for this topic quenched, go by the second story arc of Dark Horse comics title: Star Wars Empire. It came out a couple years ago and shows Biggs Darklighter, Hobbie, and a bunch of other Rebel pilots hyjacking X-Wings from an old ship yard the Empire still patrols. That will answer all of your questions...

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
It doesn't need to be discussed Eddy, that's the point we're all trying to make you understand. Theres a simple explanaition: Empire decided to stop using them. If you'd like to have your thirst for this topic quenched, go by the second story arc of Dark Horse comics title: Star Wars Empire. It came out a couple years ago and shows Biggs Darklighter, Hobbie, and a bunch of other Rebel pilots hyjacking X-Wings from an old ship yard the Empire still patrols. That will answer all of your questions...


WoW! Your information just blew me away. It sounded so perfect, when contrasted to my idea. i made this thread without the knowledge of those comic book stories. (it your info) backs my claim completely. thanks! I freaked out when I read that, why didn't you submit that earlier? Remeber, not everyone reads or is knowledgable about SW outside of these six films. To bash a post simply because you are aware of a certain subject, doesnot constitute that you should rejacet. you should actually consider participating in the conversation by adding your OUTSTANDING knowledge and in return "soakin your oats" because of your unmatched contribution. Thanks anyway! you are very wise in SW info, but need to as Ani says"patience" (EP III)

Even without the comics its common logic. The comics just illustrate what me and finit said, which is the same thing we would have said regardless of the comic. Stop being so whiney....need that we do not.

and by the way...I'm used to unmatched contributions...I no longer revel in them

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
and by the way...I'm used to unmatched contributions...I no longer revel in them
yes unmatched contributions you do not revel in them, but you use it to strike silently at others. a wicked trait found only in Sith and used as a weapon of hatred towards post that again provide a location to disscuss a sunject, not bash it and its post!

you're clearly new here. all we do on here is bash and be bashed. its a battle ground where only the strong survive. And strength here is measured by knowledge...

I think the X-wing is an earlier model
Used by Pirates and Bountyhunters
And when the rebellion starts they just buy em
End of story

I do not yet have the incredible cross sections book...so I do not know for sure...
But... if the ARC 170 was manufactured by incom...it could indicate that during the early years of the empire, INCOM were unhappy with the empire and stopped producing anything for them or maybe SIENAR fleet systems became the preffered manufacturer of the empires navy forces.

And the Tantive IV was being chased because the empire detected that transmissions from the ship that first received the death star plans had been sent to the tantive IV... not because they suspected leia of being a rebel.

Originally posted by jango fatt
I think the X-wing is an earlier model
Used by Pirates and Bountyhunters
And when the rebellion starts they just buy em
End of story

Negative red leader

According to the Incredible Cross sections book...
"The X-WING starfighter was a top secret project of the Incom corporation when the empire began to suspect rebel sympathies within the compnay and seized its assest. Key members of the design team escaped with the plans and two prototypes, destroying all other records of the ship."