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The emperor took lightning to his body for like a minute and he ended up looking like a pale alien. How come luke, who took alot of lightning by the emperor, not end up being scarred or injured?

palpatine got lightning in the face luk egot lightning on his body

plus he was just toying with luke. he used strong lightning against mace but weak lightning against luke to torture him

How come Anakin didnt get his faced messed up by Dooku? I think it's when your own lighting hits you, you get all fecked.

anakin only got a short burst

Which is all irrelevent because the copping the lightning in the face just shows that the Dark Side does not infact corrupt you at all, hell you could bling away being an evil bastard forever and only end up with yellow eyes.

Thats what i thought anyhow, apparently the only way a sith is recognizable is if they accidently blast lightning at a mirror and get themselves

Originally posted by The Ones
anakin only got a short burst
Ya.

Sidious is probably very very old in ROTS.... the lightning caused his energy to fade and his yourth to disappear. He got some idea about sustaining life, controlling the mi...... (insert M-word).

he's not more than 70 in ROTS

Luke's face didnt get messed up but his body did because he had internal injuries after ROTJ

now how do you know that luke had internal injuries (sarcastic sounding). There isnt any evidence

Originally posted by idiot_1185
now how do you know that luke had internal injuries (sarcastic sounding). There isnt any evidence

could it be...EU?!

Oh yay. Another lightning thread.

For the last time:

LIGHTNING DOESN'T MELT SKIN, PEOPLE AREN'T MADE OF WAX!

What are you people learning about in school? Next you'll be saying the moon is made of cheese and clouds are just a figment of our imagination.

Palps dropped his guard. Lucas said himself that the lightning causes the true form to come through. If Windu kept beating Palps over the head with a herring instead of deflecting the lightning, Palps would still look like that. He was in pain, he dropped the ball, finish.

So, we can assume lightning does BUGGER ALL to your appearance!

I prefer the explanation of Palpatine revealing his true face when he uses the lightning. He has yellow eyes after frying Mace to, that cant be explained by lightning being reflected on his face.

Originally posted by queeq
Sidious is probably very very old in ROTS.... the lightning caused his energy to fade and his yourth to disappear. He got some idea about sustaining life, controlling the mi...... (insert M-word).

i fully agree queeq, and always have.

and for the rest, luke got hit in the face as well. notice how his teeth light up, and also vader took his lightning full force in the face. dont believe me? play it in slow motion. lit his skull up like a christmas tree.
yet his face was no more f***ed up than in ep3.

face it, the answer is either:

1- palps was hiding his true form in the PT

or

2-it is yet another inconsistancy we all have to live with

Originally posted by king_arthur
The emperor took lightning to his body for like a minute and he ended up looking like a pale alien. How come luke, who took alot of lightning by the emperor, not end up being scarred or injured?
palpy was using the dark side of the force, thats what made his face go wrinkly and pale.

i read the book just yesterday, palps face is a combo of vastly increasing his power beyond anything he's ever done before, and having all that power reflected back at him.

i think the important thing here is that mace is using vaapad. the darkness flows through him and back out again, if it were any other jedi, i doubt palps would get such an ass whooping.

Originally posted by Mist
i read the book just yesterday, palps face is a combo of vastly increasing his power beyond anything he's ever done before, and having all that power reflected back at him.

i think the important thing here is that mace is using vaapad. the darkness flows through him and back out again, if it were any other jedi, i doubt palps would get such an ass whooping.

I agree 101%

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Oh yay. Another lightning thread.

For the last time:

LIGHTNING DOESN'T MELT SKIN, PEOPLE AREN'T MADE OF WAX!

What are you people learning about in school? Next you'll be saying the moon is made of cheese and clouds are just a figment of our imagination.

Palps dropped his guard. Lucas said himself that the lightning causes the true form to come through. If Windu kept beating Palps over the head with a herring instead of deflecting the lightning, Palps would still look like that. He was in pain, he dropped the ball, finish.

So, we can assume lightning does BUGGER ALL to your appearance!

That's right dammit, why is something that has already been established still being questioned? Sorry, but this thread is stupid.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
I agree 101%

Im sorry to say that Vaapad is EU and has nothing to do with the movies...

so i have to disagree 101%

prove otherwise

Why wouldn't Palpy be extremely old. He was the apprentice of Darth Plagueis... who knows who long ago that took place.

because in the book palpatine is wearing a mask lol

Originally posted by adamrubin
palpatine got lightning in the face luk egot lightning on his body
yep thats right.

Still think it just disrupted Palp's ability to hide his true face, whether or not the ugliness was by age or extreme evil... And the way the GL was talking to Ian McDiarmid about playing that part as if the "Chancellor" was a mask and the Chancellor's eyes were like contact lenses that Sidious wears over his, definitely lends heavy credance to this....

I also believe that this was what the freshly unveiled Sidious meant by:
"I cant hold it any longer...Too weak.. Im too weak...."

but how would the contact eyes theory work for maul and anakin?

Evil all evil...

And Sadako, maybe Palpy was just whining, Toshi Station style, to get Anakin to interfere.

but i was going into toshi station to pick up some kybar crystals....cry

Originally posted by queeq
Evil all evil...

And Sadako, maybe Palpy was just whining, Toshi Station style, to get Anakin to interfere.

Yep... My thoughts exactly...! Just look at Sidious going from whining helpless looking victim mode to slyly watching for Anakins reaction as he starts to stick up for Sidious to Mace... He looks very expectant and in control there.... More so when he gets up and blasts Mace out of the window... He was feigning defeat... totally to prompt Anakin into action against his former master....

And the lacking a lightsabre and appearing as a potential victim tac was repeated in ROTJ too...

Originally posted by Mist
but how would the contact eyes theory work for maul and anakin?

Not how I meant it...

Lucas was talking about the eyes thing as a metaphor for his whole appearance... IE: That the Chancellor Palpatine face/appearance was a mask... And that Sidious was his real face.

And just in case you meant it how I suspect you did, I'd say that Anakin and Maul simply either (A) Lack the ability to cloak their features.
or (B) Dont have to cloak their features.

Palpatine would not be able to pass himself as human on Naboo in his natural alien faced state. To acheive his position as a Senator, he put himself in a position to acheive authority within the Republic. He found a planet on the outskirts of the galaxy and (in his human form of Palpatine), insinuated himself into the local political structure...with the assistance of the rulers of Naboo being young, he was able to force speak his way to a position within the Galactic Senate....it was all down hill from there. Palpatine's face is not melted or injured, the extent of using his dark side power and having it reflected back onto him caused him to drop his physical illusion of humanity...once he had Anakin turned, there was no need for him to continue the illusion. Then all he had to do was tell the stupid Senate that he had been "disfigured" and he did not have to concern himself with the illusion anymore.

"Pooowwerrr.......absolute powwweerrrrr!"

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Im sorry to say that Vaapad is EU and has nothing to do with the movies...

so i have to disagree 101%

You may disagree, but you also misunderstand. I know Vapaad is in the EU, i have said this myself before, i was agreeing with him that Sidious got his shit kicked.

i think sidious face became what it is after the lightning because it was mace windu he attacked..Mace was a strong jedi with such a knowledge of the Force that he could somehow redirect the effects of the lightning using his Purple Lightsaber to the user itself, thus turning his face all twisted,revealing its evil nature.All hail Mace Windu!!

it appears to me that Palpatine was just a regular 60 year old. He looks just the same as how Anakin would of looked in 40 years if he were not in the suit.

i dont agree with the whole "he looks normal cos its a mask" idea. If this was the case why not drop the mask as soon as he whips out his sabre.

I think its just a case of he got disfigured by his lightning cos he was so close to it and it was so powerful. And if you look both luke in EPVI and anakin in EPII have smoke coming from them after they've been hit with the lightning.

and yet again, vader was struck point blank in the face for a prolonged period of time in ep6, but wasnt deformed. WELL??

His mask??

Originally posted by brendy
His mask??

*sigh*

again i ask you to please pop in your ep6 dvd or vhs,
and play that scene in slow motion. vader's skull is lit up
like a christmas tree, so visibly you can see it THROUGH
his mask. that is undeniable. please check
and then get back to me

Originally posted by Darth Maverick
Luke's face didnt get messed up but his body did because he had internal injuries after ROTJ

you did know that he was in a car wreck before filming ROTJ, dont you, he might of got them that way. hee. hee. hee.

Originally posted by Mist
but how would the contact eyes theory work for maul and anakin?

They both had total anger. Palpatine had to control his anger to hide from the jedi. When he fizzed his anger out on mace, he just had no reason to fear the jedi. order 66 was held out and he felt he just should reveal himself.

By the way, how do you get the pics under your name and in your signature?

I assume Luke's face wasn't like that because he wasn't using the intense powers of the darkside like Sidious was.
And not only was Sidious using the corrupting power, but it was hitting him in the face.
Anakin had the force protecting him as well. I always assumed Anakin could bring balance in an either dark or light path, and thus, it seems the lightside would protect him quite a bit more than usual.

Originally posted by PVS
*sigh*

again i ask you to please pop in your ep6 dvd or vhs,
and play that scene in slow motion. vader's skull is lit up
like a christmas tree, so visibly you can see it THROUGH
his mask. that is undeniable. please check
and then get back to me

All i can say is you are correct..... i have no answer to this subject.

Now my head hurts.

Originally posted by brendy
Now my head hurts.

now you feel my pain.

like i said, all i can conclude is that

1-palps was unmasked rather than mutilated

or

2-yet another inconsistancy from GL

Are you all forgeting that Mace mash window deflected the lightening making it stronger and Luke DID have it in the teeth, BUT only by one strike. Sidious also tried to kill them both and they were the same strength. Sids might of been weakened but he was older so the force was stronger. Last,

WHO THE **** INVENTED THAT MASK SHIT??? He said he was weakened by the jedi council and don't say it was metorphorical, cos it wasn't. So stop talking bollocks.

For me the reason you see Sid face change is because he probably hadn't used his powers for a very long time maybe not ever. He had learnt them but believe it to dangerous to use them, of fear of the jedi finding him until he was ready. Also the stronger you are in the darkside and the more you use it the uglyer it makes you.

Oh come on. I can't believe people STILL think Palpatines face melted.

It was a mask. Old and wrinkly is Palpatines true form. THAT's what he naturally looks like.

One theory I like is that Palpatine was holding on to his youth via unatural means.

I mean, he could have been over a hundred years old, but because he tells Anakin about the theory of people being able to prolong life via the darkside adds weight to the theory.

Palpatine was simply prolonging his life. When he was attacked, he dropped the ball, and because he could only prolong his life, it was impossible to revert to younger Palpatine form.

Maybe it was because the lightning caused a lack of focus, or maybe it was because the darkside drained him.

There's more to it than "he got teh lightningz scarz0rz in teh face".

There can only really be theories, but the one theory that simply CANNOT be true is that his face melted. Not only do the physics (even for STar Wars) make no sense whatsoever, force lightning didn't do anything to anyone else, so as far as EVIDENCE goes, we can sum up that lightning didn't burn/disfigure Palpatine, and therefore it shouldn't burn/disfigure anyone else.

I really don't see why you are all looking for one simple explanation. There isn't one. It is really quite shocking how stupid people can be. Star Wars may be fantastical, but it doesn't ever go as far as to suggest lightning melts someones face, makes their eyes red and teeth decay.

Can I buy some pot off some of you?

I agree 100% with Red Superfly's theory.

Superfly has a good theory,(great really), but Palps was shocked by his own lightning, and luke wasn't (I know, stupid point, but c'mon, that COULD be it)

Yeah, He's right. And he had to post it twice. If PEOPLE READ POSTS before replying, we might get our points across faster. And if that caught your eye and made you read this, scroll up and read Red's posts. He has a brain.

yeah i think its less scarring and more him twisting under his own power.

Before the film I always wondered how they would do this and I always figured it would be the corruption of the Dark Side let loose.

The first thoughts I had at time of watching it was that it was the Sith lightning marking him but it always troubled me how perfect the disfiguring lines were. Add to that the fact that Luke never got disfigured means it must be the Dark Sides internal corruption reflecting on the outside.

GL never really made it clear though...like many other things.

The idea of lightning scarring the body wasn't developed back in the making of ROTJ.

They needed a quick and feasible excuse to scar Palpatine's face, so hence--the lightning.

Re: Shouldn't Luke have a messed up face?

Yeah.. I think they should've messed up his face.
Beat the crap out of that punk! ranting

Maybe if we could see Sids full face in TPM which everyone wanted, there wouldn't of been any point of starting this stupid thread in the first place. However I saw a bit of his face and it looked wrinkly and grey, also those old figures you got 6 years ago when it was first released, showed him wrinkly which strengthens red superfly.

But I doubt it was a mask. If a mask melted you would see it melt and it didn't it looked like his skin which is why we can't trust anything anyone says unless they're GL.

It could of been some other reason, a potion, cream anything but he did get scarred. It says so in the film if you'd bother to watch it properly.

And I know I've said two different things which is why GL is the only guy you can trust.

Of course it wasn't a mask. If there are actually people who believe that, you should smack them.

"Shouldn't Luke have a messed up face?"

Have you seen Luke?!!!!??!!?!

Palps was either not using his full power, or, he was much weaker in his old age, or both.

Originally posted by Tangible God

They needed a quick and feasible excuse to scar Palpatine's face, so hence--the lightning.

That really makes no sense. Why would Sith lightning hurt or disfigure a Sith? (especially the one using it)

Sith lightning could basically described as an expulsion of pure hate let loose in this energy form-why would it hurt or disfigure someone who thrives on the same emotions?

excuse the rambling...

My explanation is simple.

Continuity error.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
"Shouldn't Luke have a messed up face?"

Have you seen Luke?!!!!??!!?! nice jollyjim311 very funny.

My take on this is:

(i) It's something like the Biblical quote "it is what comes OUT of a man that corrupts him." Palpatine is all fricked up because all that evil is coming through and out of him. So it fargles him up (because he has embraced it), but Luke is innocent, so all it does is give him pain, because he's like an opposite polarity.

(ii) It's not just zapping him, it's draining him because it's leaving his body (I mean, okay, he also got zapped by his own electrics, but I think it's more a matter of having to put up a struggle to break through Mace's desfenses than backwash which is disfiguring him; rather - he is being drained. He may be lying about the extent of this, but I still think it holds true).

(iii) It could also be that his power was helping sustain a false youthful benign "good" appearance, hiding his true evil ugly shape, a bit like a Portrait of Dorian Gray kind of thing.

(iv) I need a job.

Well if we are going to think through that much I honestly believe Lucas felt he had to make up some excuse for Sidious being uglier in ROTJ.
However, why he even cares is beyond my comprehension..

Couldn't he have, like, practised with tin cans in his garage or something?

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
That really makes no sense. Why would Sith lightning hurt or disfigure a Sith? (especially the one using it)

Sith lightning could basically described as an expulsion of pure hate let loose in this energy form-why would it hurt or disfigure someone who thrives on the same emotions?

excuse the rambling... Continuity Error.

GL didn't know his lightning idea would scar skin. And frankly, how many among the masses actually asked themselves:

"Hmm, I wonder why the Emperor's face melted, but Luke's didn't?"

No-one except the hardcore fans who look at this stuff actually give a rat's ass. So the melting face was a great idea that worked--moviewise.

I just WISH Lucas had put a scene in when Windu and chums go to Palpatines office and he stands up and says something like"Now you will see my true form etc etc blah blah" and turns into wrinkly Palpatine before them. THAT would have saved a lot of sleepless nights for the nitpickers. Of which I'm one incidentally.

This just adds credence to the arguement that the lightning didn't melt Palpatine's face. That instead it was his true face coming out, buried down like he hid his power from the Jedi, in full view of them.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Continuity Error.

GL didn't know his lightning idea would scar skin. And frankly, how many among the masses actually asked themselves:

"Hmm, I wonder why the Emperor's face melted, but Luke's didn't?"

No-one except the hardcore fans who look at this stuff actually give a rat's ass. So the melting face was a great idea that worked--moviewise.

I agree with you, it was a continuity error but still even to the most simplest of minds a direct burst of lightning-like energy would still leave some kind of mark on the skin.

I don't really care about this topic either and I'm okay with the explanation but it is a reasonable point to bring up.

I don't know, but lightning never seems to kill anybody. It is shot all the time, and nobody likes to get hit by it, but they always live through it. The only exception i guess may be Vader, but honestly, i never made the connection that the lightning killed him, b/c it was being shot up into the air. I kind of thought he just dies from being out of the suit. So we actually have no proof that force lightning actually kills people.

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Can I buy some pot off some of you?

Me too.

why is Luke's hair always like that?? is it hot oiled? rebonded? even though if he's electrocuted already, why isn't the hair messed up? it's still 'beautiful and flowing'....

Originally posted by truejedi
The only exception i guess may be Vader, but honestly, i never made the connection that the lightning killed him, b/c it was being shot up into the air. I kind of thought he just dies from being out of the suit. So we actually have no proof that force lightning actually kills people.

I think the lightning did kill Vader but in a roundabout way- by shorting out the mechanical parts in the suit that were keeping him alive.

Thats just a guess don't quote me on it or anything... GL with have, or is going to find some reason for it on his next super-deluxe digitally-enhanced DVD edition of... THE SAME FILMS.

Originally posted by adamrubin
palpatine got lightning in the face luk egot lightning on his body you could say that.

My excuses for Luke not shriveling like a prune...

1) Palpatine's face melted not because of the lightning, but due to the intensity at which he was using his connection to the Dark Side; it corrupted his mortal form

2) Palpatine was using his strongest blasts on Mace Windu, who was struggling to fend it off; he was merely torturing Luke with weak yet extremely painful blasts; apparently it still gave Luke some bone damage

I've got this whole idea of force lighting and it's biological effects that i'll post one of these days. but yeah, palps was starting out weak and slowly amplifying the lightning as a form of torture and never got anywhere near the distance and intensity that he took in ROTS. for people that argue about palps' nails and teeth. looking at vader, mace windu, and luke's teeth. it can be said that force lightning superheats the bones. so, couldn't it be said that palp's teeth became rotten cause the lightning burned of the enamel, exposing the dentine, and that his fingernails didn't grow, there was just so much power being channeled through his fingers and being reflected back that there was some kind of rapid osteoperosis and his finger bones shrank? he stopped not because he was out of power, but because eventually his eyeballs would start to boil and his brain would cook inside his superheated skull.

Christopher Lee was unscathed by channelling force lightning though.

He stopped because it would do him no good to shrivel up like a raisin.

christopher lee was using a very low current, with one arm, and none of it was being refelcted at him.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
so, couldn't it be said that palp's teeth became rotten cause the lightning burned of the enamel, exposing the dentine, and that his fingernails didn't grow, there was just so much power being channeled through his fingers and being reflected back that there was some kind of rapid osteoperosis and his finger bones shrank? he stopped not because he was out of power, but because eventually his eyeballs would start to boil and his brain would cook inside his superheated skull.

Then he shoulda gone or for broke and becomed Emperor Gelatine!

And dead before becoming Emperor!

Originally posted by Darth Jello
christopher lee was using a very low current, with one arm, and none of it was being refelcted at him. Going to celebrate your Victorian 'coming of age?'

I just figured he was trying too hard and lost his illusion that is his un-disfigured form.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Continuity Error.

GL didn't know his lightning idea would scar skin. And frankly, how many among the masses actually asked themselves:

"Hmm, I wonder why the Emperor's face melted, but Luke's didn't?"

No-one except the hardcore fans who look at this stuff actually give a rat's ass. So the melting face was a great idea that worked--moviewise.
It's a pretty big thing through. It's not like Greivous using Vader's saber or a stormtrooper knocking his head on the doorway.

Originally posted by amity75
I just WISH Lucas had put a scene in when Windu and chums go to Palpatines office and he stands up and says something like"Now you will see my true form etc etc blah blah" and turns into wrinkly Palpatine before them. THAT would have saved a lot of sleepless nights for the nitpickers. Of which I'm one incidentally.
It sounds like what every boss in every rpg says after you beat him the first time.

confused1

He's right. And don't ask for an explanation.