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Maybe Diana can beat him?

ummmm deathstroke held his own...kk might moiderize her....

Karate Kid would get owned in this fight. he doesn't stand a chance at all.

why?

wonder Woman would get him with one arm and with the other arm, she would punch him in the head and knock him out or possibly kill him. The kid is only human.

Only human is right, but that doesn't mean anything. Karate Kid is a damn powerhouse, best fighter to ever exist.

He could take WonderWoman.

Karate Kid, no. Bruce Lee, yes. Bruce Lee is the best fighter ever. Not Karate Kid.

KK fought PC Superboy to and beat him.

Who is on KK's level? Jeez....

we are not talking about da karate kid from da movies. we talking bout da on from the THE LEGION.

Yeah, and I never really respected him, till the last few months.
I actually thought it was a rip-off of the movie, turns out, the movie got the name from him.

It's really hard to pair him up against anyone, under the right conditions, he's damn near unbeatable.

Please don't make me open a KK versus Galactus thread.

Alot of people have done a really good job of listing KK's accomplishments and powers but no one to my knowledge has yet to mention any failures from this guy. Is he infallable? Invincible? Has anyone ever beat him? Even come close?

Real name: Val Armorr
Occupation: Legionnaire
Base of Operations: None
Marital Status: Single
Height: 5' 8"
Weight: 160
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Brown
First Appearance: (historical) ADVENTURE COMICS #346 (July, 1966); (current) LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #64 (January, 1995)

Abandoned shortly after his birth, Val Armorr was raised by a sensei who taught him many forms of martial arts, including those with their origins on Earth, and many whose origins are lost to the mists of time and space.

Since becoming a master of these arts, Karate Kid has roamed the galaxy to study many other hand-to-hand fighting techniques and seek spiritual wholeness. Along the way, he has also learned a few weaponry skills, though he prefers to handle matters personally.

A former WorkForce member, Karate Kid joined Leland McCauley's service only to broaden his range of travel for experience. Ultimately realizing that his spirit was being corrupted by continued association with McCauley, he left the WorkForce and was quickly approved for Legion membership.

While he may very well be one of the deadliest sentients in the known galaxy (having bested even Daxamites in combat), Val is quiet and reserved, seeing the martial arts as a spiritual path rather than one of violence.

Karate Kid and teammate Ferro remained for some time on Steeple, a world with an atmosphere that was impossible to penetrate. They have recently escaped to rejoin the Legion.

he is the bomb. got that from dccomics.com

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Please don't make me open a KK versus Galactus thread.

Alot of people have done a really good job of listing KK's accomplishments and powers but no one to my knowledge has yet to mention any failures from this guy. Is he infallable? Invincible? Has anyone ever beat him? Even come close?

My bad, I was referring to h2h fighting with meta-humans and super-humans.
If the right circumstance, he could take out anyone with a nervous system.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Real name: Val Armorr
Occupation: Legionnaire
Base of Operations: None
Marital Status: Single
Height: 5' 8"
Weight: 160
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Brown
First Appearance: (historical) ADVENTURE COMICS #346 (July, 1966); (current) LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #64 (January, 1995)

Abandoned shortly after his birth, Val Armorr was raised by a sensei who taught him many forms of martial arts, including those with their origins on Earth, and many whose origins are lost to the mists of time and space.

Since becoming a master of these arts, Karate Kid has roamed the galaxy to study many other hand-to-hand fighting techniques and seek spiritual wholeness. Along the way, he has also learned a few weaponry skills, though he prefers to handle matters personally.

A former WorkForce member, Karate Kid joined Leland McCauley's service only to broaden his range of travel for experience. Ultimately realizing that his spirit was being corrupted by continued association with McCauley, he left the WorkForce and was quickly approved for Legion membership.

While he may very well be one of the deadliest sentients in the known galaxy (having bested even Daxamites in combat), Val is quiet and reserved, seeing the martial arts as a spiritual path rather than one of violence.

Karate Kid and teammate Ferro remained for some time on Steeple, a world with an atmosphere that was impossible to penetrate. They have recently escaped to rejoin the Legion.

he is the bomb. got that from dccomics.com

You didn't add the part about him being able to see weak points in any object, and nerve clusters in any being.

Also, his senses are so powerful, he can use it like radar and can tell a persons height, weight and describe the clothes they are wearing, including color, all the while in pitch black darkness.

Originally posted by long pig
My bad, I was referring to h2h fighting with meta-humans and super-humans.
If the right circumstance, he could take out anyone with a nervous system.

I was reffering to everyone in general. No one thinks this guy could be beat, I'd put him against Surfer but then the thread would never end and I don't know if I could live with myself. Besides to Champion I don't think he's ever lost a thread.

KK has been beatin', but only by other's of his skill and they had weapons.

Others of his skill? Like who?

Last time i was able to pick up The Legion consistantly Karate Kid takes on an entire prison full of superhumans of varying in capability twice

The first time hes forced to protect the couple of guards the place had and ends up virtually drowing in super-villians until The Persuader convinces the inmates to stop.The fight was fairly inconclusive but it was obvious he would lose eventually

The Second time once they go out of control again he annouches he was "Mentally prepared" and trashes them all without being touched

KK is definately a heavy Hitter but its kinda hard to compare him to anything since the most explored characters to compare him against were all WAY in the past

List of Karate Kid feats:


a) Increased effectiveness of his attacks to the point that physical blows can shatter high-tech 30th century metals (Legion of Superheroes #103), knock incredibly dense and heavy superhumans straight up into the air (Legion Worlds #5), affect beings in powered armor (Legionnaires #26) and when combined with other techniques, harm beings of incredible durability (Legionnaires Annual #2, Legion of Superheroes #103, Legion Worlds #5).

b) The ability to sense weak points in all things, from the weakest and most vulnerable points in force fields (Legionnaires #22), super-advanced 30th century metals, even on a microscopic level (Legion of Superheroes #125), as well as being able to instincitvely detect the most vulnerable points in living beings, such as pressure points and nerve clusters, even if he's never seen that species of alien before (Legion of Superheroes Secret Files #2, Legion Worlds #5). Using this abilitiy, it's even possible to destroy entire starships (Titans/Legion of Superheroes: Universe a Blaze #4).

c) Enhanced durability that can withstand great punishment, including allowing him to survive one or two lethal attacks from people strong enough to damage nearly indestructible metals (Legion Worlds #5) to not being harmed after having several tons of metal dropped on top of him (Legionnaires #39).

d) An enhanced awareness of his surroundings, from being able to tell that an opponent is wearing in total darkness without making contact with said being (Legionnaires #39), to being able to detect an avoid a heat vision blast that tore through the ship he was in before the ship's sensors detected the attack (Legion of Superheroes #111), to being able to detect a stealthy super assassin from over a kilometer away by hearing her heart-beat (Legion of Superheroes #121), to being able to detect an alien teleporting silently behind him and invisible opponents (The Legion #22), being able to be aware of multiple projectiles coming at him from different directions, even when blindfolded (Legion of Superheroes #111).

e) Enhanced dodging skills that allows him to avoid energy attacks, even ones that arc along the entire floor (Legion of Superheroes #83), fired rapidly by a being with superspeed (Legion of Superheroes #111), and rapid burst fire from a powerful lazer cannon (Legion Worlds #5).

f) Enhanced reflexes, skill and cordination that allow him to redirect in mid-flight arrows and beings that are moving at speeds in excess of escape velocity, in addition to redirecting the attacks of superhumanly powerful opponents, no matter their strength or weight (Legion of Superheroes #111). These also allow him to spar successfully with being using superspeed (Titans/Legion of Superheroes: Universe a Blaze #2-3).

g) A knowledge of esoteric bio-manipulation philosophies that allow him to inflict incredible pain on a species he has just met with a light tap, as well as heal and revive hurt and unconcious allies ( Legion of Superheroes Secret Files #2). This also grants him a body-language reading ability that allows him to tell if someone is under outside control based solely on how they move (Legion of Superheroes #111).

h) A general increase in overal combat ability that allows him to take on a small army of the most dangerous criminals in the galaxy (Legionnaires #22), a large group of superhuman were-creatures (Legion of Superheroes Secret Files #2), and defeat the greatest assassin in the galaxy with one attack ( Legion of Superheroes #121), opponents in power-armor (Legionnaires #26), a super-strong gorrila and a trio of guards, all with the equivalent of one move a piece (Legion of Superheroes #103), three mind-linked highly trained martial artists, a hyper-strong superhuman, a shape shifter and a teleporter (The Legion #22), and superhumanly strong and durable opponents, including Daxamites (Legionnaires Annual #2, Legion of Superheroes #111, Titans/Legion of Superheroes: Universe a Blaze #2-3, Legion Worlds #5).


Karate Kid is skilled in every form of combat known in the galaxy, from boxing to savate to kendo. He has also made it a point to become an expert with every weapon used in hand-to-hand combat, from fencing foils to Jovian Trident spears to Krishnu gauntlets from Gaman Tol. The Legion normally excludes heroes who use weapons, but with Val they are only a sideline. Super-karate is his specialty, and with it he has done super-human things. By building up the amount of chi (life-energy) into his body Karate Kid can increase his strength, speed, endurance and toughness (AD 367). Karate Kid has stated that if Superboy took up karate, the Boy of Steel might be able to punch through a foot-thick slab of Manganium Inertron, a he normally cannot do (AD 367). Using this force, in application with his knowledge of points of stress and weakness (AD 346), Karate Kid has:
Cracked through the hull of the Khund flagship (AD 347), stopped a runaway sport-speedster with one blow (AD 351), knocked out a Jovian Mastodon with one chop (AD 358), cracked through the powerful, six-inch Durlamite gates of the Metroplois Jail (AD 360), damaged tanks with a two-handed chop (AD 360, AD 367), kicked away an air car from the path of a falling boulder (AD 361), split a rock in two and took out an opponent with each piece (AD 361), fought a half-dozen assailants at one time (AD 358, AD 361, AD 367) and stamped the ground with both feet, shaking a whole street and knocking a dozen soldiers off their feet (AD 367).
Once when he was trapped inside a giant hollow diamond, Val located its natural flaw and used his iron will to coax his body to make one final chop which shattered the gem (AD 365).
Limitations and Weaknesses: It takes intense concentration to split a 14" slab (7 sheets) of titanium manganite, and any distraction will result in failure (AD 359). Major exertions and releases of chi will tire Val out, needing rest or sleep to build up his body energy again (AD 365/366).

-Defeated Daxamites in one-on-one combat, not once but THRICE.
-During combat with said Daxamites, he was able to hurt one of them with a straight forward kick to the face.
-Detected weaknesses in objects, to the point of being able to sense flaws and weak points on a molecular level. Using this ability in combination with his other martial abilities, he has been able to break objects that were suppose to be almost unbreakable, including a force field designed to hold the most dangerous criminals in the galaxy.
-Re-direct an object in mid-flight that was moving at near-light speeds.
-Dodge all manner of attacks, from bullets to arrows to heat vision blasts fired at superspeed.
-Has been able to tell if someone is being mind-controlled based solely on that person's body language.
-Has been able to defeat large numbers of opponents by himself, including mobs of criminals from a prison housed inside a star.
-Was able to defeat, disarm and throw to the ground someone wearing a suit of powered armor.
-Defeat Evolvo in Ape mode, then take out armed security guards in a single pannel.
-Demonstrated hearing so accute that he heard someone's heart beating over a kilometer away.
-Defeated the most dangerous assassin in the galaxy, the Empress, with one move.

The only one that can match KK in skill is Temugin

WAY too over-the-top.

Nemesis beat him more than once

The villains succeeded in stealing Earth's polymer shield and transferred it to Orando, where they defeated Projectra, Karate Kid and Light Lass. (LSH v.3 #2) Mortally wounded by Nemesis Kid, Karate Kid sacrificed his life to destroy the LSV's dimension-warping equipment. (#4) This led to their defeat and Projectra's controversial execution of Nemesis Kid. (#5)

KK is way better than Temugin. KK is more on Champion martial arts level.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
KK is way better than Temugin. KK is more on Champion martial arts level.
Temugin can give him a fight.He survived to repulsor rays, he also destroyed IM's force field and armor with ease, and his mastery over the 10 power rings make him a force to reckon with