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I was just thinking this would be a kinda nice 3-on-2 fight to see and as where it is I dunno except not in water. just tell me who you'd think win Kit Plo and Mace or Sidious and Anakin ROTS

sith overkills

Sith wins this...

well it all depends on who sidious fights first

if he goes and fights mace, the jedi win, if he fights plo or kit, the sith win. see i, unlike most people, belive mace won that fight with sidious and sidous didnt throw the fight so anakin would come to his aid. so mace would beat sidious, i think plo and kit would take anakin pretty easily and the fights over. but sidious would easily kill kit fisto and im sure plo koon if he fought them first. anakin could probably hold off mace long enough for sidious to join him. and i think together anakin and sidious could take mace.

I think it depends on one's perspective - whether Mace is actually better than or equal to Sidious or not. This was unclear in the movie, so I think that both points have validity.

Sorry if I sound newbish about this, but if you think that then why/how did Sidious gain power back so easilyafter appearing to be like dieing right after Anny cut off his arm...?

Yeah, I know - I myself lean towards the point of view that Sidious was putting on an act, but I don't think anything is written in stone with regard to this. So I think Human Vader still has a good point.
Nice sig change, by the way.

i dont get it.......


sidious couldnt beat mace with the lightning, but once he lost his lightsaber, sidious saw he was unarmed and attack him.


see this is where it gets confusing
i think that yes sidious tried to manipulate anakin when he was like "omg i cant hold on any longer1111!!!!!!!!1111!!11 help me anakin!!!!!!!!1111!!1!" but i dont think he lost the fight on purpose, i mean he didnt know for sure anakin would have even come, im sure if he could have, he would have beat mace.

Agreed, but come on, do you actually think a sith lord like Sidious couldn't feel him coming?

perhaps he could have, but wouldnt vader have felt luke and leia being born????

theres lots of plotholes like that

As to the Luke and Leia thing, I think that's more of an issue of foresight.

However, to Serra, did he expect his lightning to backfire, if he planned the thing? Or did he just go with it when it did backfire?

no dipsit, id say he didnt, he was still trying to kill mace, but mace was defending himself with the lightsaber, like obi wan had against dooku's lightning (as im sure you know). relying on anakin was a last resort, im sure. i mean did he really think anakin could have beat mace? hes not that powerful but he was smart. as we know, anakin caught mace totally off guard, theres no way anakin would have beaten him fair and square

well no its not foresight, im not trying to be rude, but how is it foresight by feeling your children who are both very high force sensitives being born?

I don't really think it backfired, I just think he might have gave it all his might and Mace gave his which made his true face be revealed by all of the pain/anger or something i really can't answer that...

Originally posted by Human Vader
well no its not foresight, im not trying to be rude, but how is it foresight by feeling your children who are both very high force sensitives being born?

Definitely. I was actually defending your point. I was kind of challenging Serra to answer, because, although I agree that Sidious did have some premeditation in that fight, I don't think it's totally clear either way. So, I just wanted to get across the point that both of you have the right to believe what you do. This issue is controversial, and neither of you are idiots, so I wanted Serra to recognize the lack of definitiveness surrounding this whole thing. That's all. I still like both of you.

Dammit, I had to edit my post. You guys post too friggin' fast.

Sure thing...

If you're confused about my post, it was in response to Human Vader.

If not, then are you upset? Did I offend you?

No no I get it now, no complaints.

Okay.

Peace, Serra. See you later, Human Vader!

Wait, that last part rhymed! That's pretty neat!

1 question, when you say peace on threads does that mean your logging off or just saying "I'm Done" with this thread for now?

I say it to get people to ask me that.

Also, to your question, I wouldn't answer if I were done with this thread permanently. Hehe.

Lastly:

http://www.ithaca.edu/students/jchrist1/i%20love%20ny.gif

Sorry if that upsets you. I'm just joking here, Serra.

And, once again, peace be with you.

Sith

Right...

Sorry if my post seemed random...

But I love NY. That's all. Didn't mean to weird you out.

I'd say that Anakin would kill Mace alone or Plo, Kit together so it doesn't matter who Sidious would fight because Anakin would win in the end.

I actually thought that sith would lose assuming mace could defeat him and plo and kit could hold out long enough for mace to come and help. Interesting to see what you all thought.

Ok this isn't even a fair fight, the jedi would waste the sith, i mean Plo Koon was better with a lightsaber than Mace Windu, he was recruited into the order because of his amazing lightsaber skills, and also he was almost killed, then rebuilt by the best scientists in the galaxy to be even more powerful in the force, plus he can use lightning to stun an enemy, Mace just was ****ing strong and kit kinda sucked... but he is cool... :P and if the fight took place under water then kit could take all of em because he's the only one with a lightsaber modification to work underwater lol. But yeah so if Kit and Mace took sidious and Plo took anakin or any combo where kit wasn't alone then the jedi would easily win.

agreed, but plo was never recruited. He was know for his great saber skillz, but his masters wish was that plo took his coucil seat, never said he was recruited for anything, but i agree, people dont give plo koon any credit.

Sidious would kill Kit as fast as he did and then Plo just as easily. Anakin and Sidious would doubleteam Mace who would get killed.

sidious would have a struggle fighting fisto and plo, moron. How does he waste them? its 2v1 and sidious cant use a lightsaber for shit. where will he have time to use his lightning when hes being hacked at every other second.

Maybe we should refer to ROTS.
Sidious killed 3 Jedi Masters easily. Kit and Plo are nothing so they would be killed. They were on the council. AND!? Sidious would have no trouble killing them and then he'd team up with Anakin and kill Mace.

i agree with that except to the last part

mace could take anakin and sidious, IMO

a lot of people will probably oppose that statement but its what i believe. anakin may seem tough when hes fighting all those droids and unarmed confederacy leaders on mustifar but hes not THAT great of a jeedai, well sith at that time.

and mace easily owned sidious. i mean so sidious could see the future and forsee that mace would beat him. ill give you that. but it doesnt mean he let mace beat him. if im going to fight the heavy weight champion of the world and i forsee myself getting my ass kicked, it doesnt mean i let myself lose. anakin would be taken care of shortly and then it would be a rematch of sidious vs mace except anakin wouldnt be there to intervene and sidious would be dead

Umm...Anakin held out against the second strongest Jedi of the Old Republic. And don't say Obi-Wan wasn't because the two strongest were the only ones to live the Clone War.

um no?

obi wan i s good jeedai, yes but anyone could survived. he fell into the water so the clones couldnt find him, could have happened to anyone. and theyre not the only jeedai to survive the purge

there is another.......

Obi-Wan:
Killed Darth Maul when he was a Padawan.
Was trusted by the council and Mace to kill Grievous. Why didn't Mace go?
Killed General Grievous.
Survived a huge fall.
Helped Yoda kill dozens and dozens of Clone Troopers to get into the Temple.
Defeated Anakin
Survived the Clone War

Originally posted by General Zodiac
Maybe we should refer to ROTS.
Sidious killed 3 Jedi Masters easily. Kit and Plo are nothing so they would be killed. They were on the council. AND!? Sidious would have no trouble killing them and then he'd team up with Anakin and kill Mace.

well this forum........ doesnt take facts from the movies unless they have a vivid point. LEts talk expanded universe here plz. Sidious owning all 3 in a split second is very unrealistic.

Like Revan owning 3 Jedi isn't?

revan is a different story, he is 4times more powerful than sidious.

Sidious killed those 3 in 2 seconds. And yes we base the EU on the movies.

The movies make no sense, and its sometimes impossible to base Eu of the movies. EU contradicts everything the movies say.

Hmm. So the movie makes no sense when I get hit by a lightsaber I shouldn't lose a limb.

Originally posted by General Zodiac
Sidious killed those 3 in 2 seconds. And yes we base the EU on the movies.
2 of the three were unprepared. and fisto was also, although he was aware of sidious hurling himself at all 4.

Originally posted by General Zodiac
Hmm. So the movie makes no sense when I get hit by a lightsaber I shouldn't lose a limb.

lets not be a smart ass. You know i dont mean it like that. The plot in the movies can be negotiated in EU and rewrote differently, i mean loo kat the Eu tales maul and boba survive cuz EU wnats them to live.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
2 of the three were unprepared. and fisto was also, although he was aware of sidious hurling himself at all 4.

Unprepared? They had their lightsabers out and Sidious stood up and said "are you threanting me Master Jedi" pulled out his lightsaber and jumped at them. How long does it take?

a while if your focused on what sidious might be thinking.

Originally posted by General Zodiac
Unprepared? They had their lightsabers out and Sidious stood up and said "are you threanting me Master Jedi" pulled out his lightsaber and jumped at them. How long does it take?

they dident see him snap his lighsaber out of is hand. Only when he jumped was when mace placed himself in a fighters stance.

His lightsaber is out and jumps at you! Hmm what is he doing? Is he giving up. Oh look 1 Jedi died...nope 2...he's attacking. Come on! Jedi should be prepared the moment they ignited their lightsabers and they knew he was a Sith Lord.

omg am i repeating now? they were focused on his thoughts so they were not 100% awar of what what was going on 2 of them were trying to figure out his next move. they were unprepared and not quick enugh!

Originally posted by General Zodiac
His lightsaber is out and jumps at you! Hmm what is he doing? Is he giving up. Oh look 1 Jedi died...nope 2...he's attacking. Come on! Jedi should be prepared the moment they ignited their lightsabers and they knew he was a Sith Lord.

I agree, they were prepared they simply got owned by sidious.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
I agree, they were prepared they simply got owned by sidious.

use your eyes, they dident strike, meaning thier must be a reason why.

They didn't strike, because Sidious is too fast and powerful for them to handle. Sidious could kill Kitt Fisto and (hate to say it) Plo Koon easily like he did in ROTS to the 3 Jedi Masters...Adding ROTS Anakin they could beat Mace...and if its true that Sidious was faking his loss (which seems likely to me) it would be over kill for Mace Windu.

Sidious would kill Kit really quick, Anakin would kill Plo really quick and help Sidious kill Mace. Simple.

pfft. who said the 3 were ready for the assault, they were focused on his thoughts and dident even raise thier lightsaber when sidious did strike at them.

Who said anakin would kill plo easily? there is no reason why plo has to be such an easy opponent, as for mace its a 3v2 so thye wont fight individuals mace will run at sidious and take him on, while plo and kit take on anakin. i dont care how strong anakin is supposed to be plo a master that's been a master since obi was training to become a jedi is capable of handling anakin by himself, especially with the help of fisto. ANd mace is more than a match for sidious. IMO to summarize all this

Sidious: It's treason then. (Ignited lightsaber, jumps at them and kills 1)
What were they trying to figure out!
Hmmmmmm. Is he trying to kill us...wait 1 died. 2 died. Maybe I should do something.
It's sort of stupid that you keep saying they're focusing on what he's thinking about. He's a ****ing Sith Lord with his lightsaber ignited coming at them!