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Freedon Nadd's gonna win. No question.

Darth Vader has a pretty good chance. He has legendary lightsaber talents and and has incrediable Force abilities.

Burnt, crappy Vader or young, good Vader?

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Darth Vader has a pretty good chance. He has legendary lightsaber talents and and has incrediable Force abilities.

What do you mean? Darth Vader isn't that good with the force. He can't even use force lightning cos he got his hands burnt off. Frredon Nadd's brilliant with the force. Vader's just like an evil C3-P0.

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Darth Vader has a pretty good chance. He has legendary lightsaber talents and and has incrediable Force abilities.

Vader's legendary lightsaber skills got his body parts strewn about Mustafar. And considering Vader has successfully killed Dooku (which will surprise me to no end until I die), younglings (the virtual terrors of the SW universe... egads... hide!) and old Ben "Take one for the team" Kenobi.

What a master. Excuse me while I bow.

And his incredible Force talent which everyone keeps yawing about hasn't been fulfilled yet to any reasonable ability. He couldn't overcome Obi-Wan via the Force, and he couldn't just oust the Emperor. So naturally someone like Freedan Nadd who can kill Jedi with a damn blaster and conquered his own planet, creating his own offspring of royal lineage has a -distinct- advantage.

/rant

Enen if Nadd could beat him Vader has the public behind him its one of those "unfair" things that tamper with this poll..shame that

Nadd will easily take Vader

First off what do we know of Freedon Nadd other than he struck down a Jedi Master...wow....excuse me. Darth Vader beat many Jedi Masters

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Many? Anakin took down Dooku, when he was non cyborg. When he is cyborg, then he is even worst at dueling then he was. Maybe at the force. SO he didn't defeat any jedi masters. Ken Kenobi let Vader kill him since he wanted to turn into a spirit and follow around Luke and stuff.

Darth Vader beat these Jedi Masters alone in his armor...

1) Echuu Shen-Jon (An apprentice of Mace Windu...and was a Jedi Master at the time of his death)

2) Aidan Bok

3) The Dark Woman

4) Halagad Ventor

5) Empatojayos Brand

I assume they were powerful ,jedi not just another kinght or a master that has equal strength to that of a padawan youngling.

1) I wouldn't call Echuu a strong Jedi. He lost a padawan, twice. Almost fell to the dark side as well.
2) Aidan Bok, later the ghost of the "Jedi Library", was a Jedi Knight. Not a jedi master.
3) Dark Woman did the same thing as Ken Kenobi. Let herself die to become a spirit
4) I don't know alot about him.
5) He was also a Jedi Knight, but later fell to the dark side.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTH VADER!!!

I go for Nadd simply because he is cooler than the metal man(Vader).

Vader is incredible, but Nadd did kill Jedi with a blaster and a short lightsaber, like Janus said, which is impressive. He also led his own revolution and killed his master, which shows that he had a quality of thinking for himself and independence that Vader never had.

And his tomb was enough to convert Exar Kun. Now, Nadd was destroyed by Kun, but for a time he was clearly the master. Kun as an apprentice could pwn Vader silly.

Let's see: He took over a powerful planet almost by himself, he later taught Exar Kun, who became incredibly strong, he was powerful enough to emit force energy after he was dead in KOTOR 2. I think that should cover it.

I don't know alot about Freedon Nadd, but I gotta go with Vader. He is the definition of power.

freedon nadd would win hes just more powerful

Originally posted by lihp123
I don't know alot about Freedon Nadd, but I gotta go with Vader. He is the definition of power.

Assumptions and idiocy go hand in hand, I swear.

Look, if you don't know, FIND OUT. If you can't, consider... just consider holding yout tongue. Definition of power? What are you smoking in your spare time, because you need to stop. Your definition of power sure got owned on Mustafar.

Lets be civil here Janus. You know how you preach of Darth Revan and its far greater than what he did for Darth Vader. And Darth Revan got owned when he got blasted when his apprentice shot his bridge, so I don't know what your talking about "Vader got owned on Mustafar." Revan lost...

Well, you're right about being civil. I apologize for baring my teeth needlessly.

But about Revan, I think there is a distinct difference between being shot by a friendly ship and getting sliced up in one fell swoop by your former master because you think you can take him. Even Exar Kun or NJO Luke would go down if they were in a bridge that was under fire by a capitol ship. You're comparing apples and friggin' kangaroos there.

Vader would win, and stop with the misconception that ROTS vader was stronger than ROTJ vader, vader has said himself in shadows of the empire that as anakin he was all potential but as vader he was far more powerful due to experience and dark side knowledge.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Well, you're right about being civil. I apologize for baring my teeth needlessly.

But about Revan, I think there is a distinct difference between being shot by a friendly ship and getting sliced up in one fell swoop by your former master because you think you can take him. Even Exar Kun or NJO Luke would go down if they were in a bridge that was under fire by a capitol ship. You're comparing apples and friggin' kangaroos there.

Revan didnt take the full blast of the capital ship-the ship he was on did, Revan merely died in the explosion.

He survived....

And the blast only missed him by a meter or so, he took a lot of it.

And you Vader lovers need to prove up, this is ridiculous...

Revan died in it the blast? Nnnnnnnah. And who said Vader is the definition of power? He might have been if he hadn't been diced on Mustafar, but big, clunky Vader? HELL no.

And fishy, the blast didn't miss him by a meter. It didn't miss by much at all, but probably like five, six, maybe seven meters. Nobody would survive a turbolaser blast striking a meter away. That's like saying you could survive a missile landing and exploding three, four feet away from you. Don't think so. But I get your point.

Well, the blast itself didn't affect the transparisteel viewports. I'm thinking it was the concussion from the turbolasers hitting the forward deflector shields that rocked Revan. I could be wrong. In any case, he was hit hard enough to be rendered unconscious, something not easy to do to a Jedi in battle mode.

It was certainly close.

Just using all that sci-fi lingo made my skin worse and makes women shun me. Egads... I am a geek. Who knew?

I wouldn't call Echuu a strong Jedi. He lost a padawan, twice. Almost fell to the dark side as well.


Umm have you even played Galactic battlegrounds. He was better than Yoda and the Emperor. Qui-Gon lost two padawans too, Qui-Gon is not a weak jedi.

vader people can you give us some facts why he would win and none of that "hes the deffiniton of power" crap

vader wins cuz he wers blak and has a redd lightsabur lol!!!@!!! he r0x00r him and cideus and quay gone jism ha ha ha... i pwnm

Vader is the chosen one..

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Vader is the chosen one..

Was the chosen one...untill Obi-Wan splattered his body parts around.

Originally posted by matreid
Burnt, crappy Vader or young, good Vader?

You mean burt, crappy Vader or young, "good" Vader that got his body parts strewn out on hot Mustafar ground by Obi-Wan (a tier 2 duelist at best)?

Neither Vader was very good. This is debatable if Vader reached his full potential granted to him by his massive Midi-Chlorian count, but Nadd takes this because of superior knowledge and demonstrated power.

freedon nadd was true sith 2!

Yeah, Freedon Nadd has this one.

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Lets be civil here Janus. You know how you preach of Darth Revan and its far greater than what he did for Darth Vader. And Darth Revan got owned when he got blasted when his apprentice shot his bridge, so I don't know what your talking about "Vader got owned on Mustafar." Revan lost...

How did, Revan loose? It wasn't even a fight. Malak simply said a few words and one his men pressed a button.

Revan did not die beacuse of that, the real revan died when you played the game.

Originally posted by Darth Zenemij
Revan did not die beacuse of that, the real revan died when you played the game.

I was not saying that, Revan died I was just saying that Malak never defeated him. Also what do you mean by the "real revan?"

Bump...what can I say? I'm bored.

yup, and whose ravan might i ask.

Vader being underestimated is a bit frustrating...the guy was certainly no weakling. He killed a gang of decently strong masters in Purge, killed the Dark Woman, was responsible for a LOT in the Purge itself...

Nadd supporters need to prove up even more, Nadd never showed himself as anything other than an above average dark jedi

Are you shitting me? You think Darth "OMFG my dick was burnt off and my limbs left in a Mustafar lava pit" Vader can pwn a dark lord who pretty much conquered a planet by himself, slayed Naga Sadow, and his jedi master in a training exercise?

We've seen Vader do quite a bit before, including holding his own agaisnt eight Jedi masters at once, kill the dark woman among other Jedi...

Nadd was a wannabe Dark Lord. He killed Matta by sheer accident and fled in terror after it. Could've happened to anyone. Naga, by the time Nadd found him was ancient and probably a bit out of it from the hibernation. A pissed off young man usually wouldn't have an issue making one vicious stab, Naga also refused to teach Nadd any real Sith secrets, hence Nadd's anger....and Nadd's conquering of Onderon isn't that unimpressive when you consider all he did was kill a few beasts and do some force magic....got him hailed as a god immediately, same as the old Dark Jedi to the Sith.
Nadd didn't exactly take on a massive army by himself...and the idea that a group of jungle guerillas gave him so much trouble...

And Nadd created an amulet that could destroy Sith war beats.. At least in Kun his hands, but Nadd knew the power of that thing. It would be enough to pwn Vader.

Frankly no. I hate to remind you all that even though Vader was by no means the greatest Sith Lord he wouldn't be able to be killed by Nadd as he wouldn't be able to fulfil the prophecy.

That is no reason in this forum... If that were the case then TPM Anakin could defeat the entire PT Jedi Order and all the Sith ever... Becuase he couldn't lose. Stupid logic and therefor it does not apply here.

Anakin would lose.

Nadd.....didn't create an amulet

Originally posted by Fishy
That is no reason in this forum... If that were the case then TPM Anakin could defeat the entire PT Jedi Order and all the Sith ever... Becuase he couldn't lose. Stupid logic and therefor it does not apply here.

Anakin would lose.

No it is sensible logic which must be taken into account. The Trilogy has happened it can't change ifs do not apply.

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
No it is sensible logic which must be taken into account. The Trilogy has happened it can't change ifs do not apply.

So you are saying TPM Anakin, would beat Yoda, Sidious, Mace Windu, Marka Ragnos, NJO Luke Skywalker and AOTC Anakin at once?

Oh no wait AOTC Anakin is in there, now who will win? The VS forum has nothing to do with this stupid prophecy, I would suggest you stop refering to it... As it holds no logic and or meaning in fights between two people.

Then by your logic, not one of the forum's duels can possibly take place.

Maul can't fight ROTS Anakin because he's dead, and Anakin got WTFpwned by Obi-Wan, Exar Kun can't fight Luke because they're in different time periods, Grievous, Dooku, Durge, and Ventress can't kill Obi-Wan because he has to be killed by Vader, TUF Jacen can't fight TUF Jaina because that would alter future storylines. . .

Erm, no. These battles exist outside of conitinuity; it's simply character A vs. character B. No strings attached.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Then by your logic, not one of the forum's duels can possibly take place.

Maul can't fight ROTS Anakin because he's dead, and Anakin got WTFpwned by Obi-Wan, Exar Kun can't fight Luke because they're in different time periods, Grievous, Dooku, Durge, and Ventress can't kill Obi-Wan because he has to be killed by Vader, TUF Jacen can't fight TUF Jaina because that would alter future storylines. . .

Erm, no. These battles exist outside of conitinuity; it's simply character A vs. character B. No strings attached.

Yes that is my logic but we are getting off-topic so let us presume that the works of GL do not apply and settle this debate with reason..... So what can Vader actually do then since his only strength has been torn from him by philistines?

Infact whats the point of this debate then Freedon Nadd ahs to win because he is the stronger Sith and not trapped in a suit.

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Infact whats the point of this debate then Freedon Nadd ahs to win because he is the stronger Sith and not trapped in a suit.

Well Duh of course Freedon Nadd will win, so this debate is kinda useless. But thats not the point some people didn't know and they know now, thats what matters.

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Darth Vader has a pretty good chance. He has legendary lightsaber talents and and has incrediable Force abilities. Originally posted by Darth Syko
What do you mean? Darth Vader isn't that good with the force. He can't even use force lightning cos he got his hands burnt off. Frredon Nadd's brilliant with the force. Vader's just like an evil C3-P0. Originally posted by DARTH BARAKA
freedon nadd was true sith 2!

Yup this argument is complete.

This is another obvious one. Freedon Nadd had no equal after him.. Plain and simple.

Why bumb a thread which had already been set to death in the deep reaalms of cyberspace?

yeh freedon nadd pwns vader

freedon nadd would lay vader'sa crippled ass out
**** the phophecy
and didnt luke fulfull the prophecy not anakin?

No, Anakin was the chosen one.

Originally posted by Numan
No, Anakin was the chosen one.

LMAO!

"Can Lando Calrissian and the 101st Airborne defeat baby Anakin?"

"No, he was the chosen one".

Primo debating method there!

He was answering to vpokedjymafid (or whatever it is) when he asked if Luke was the one that fufilled the prophecy.

LOL exactly... Nobody is talking prophecies here, it's a vs. Hypothetical situation.. Stop reading too much into it Numan

Meh, I didn't read that. Probably should have. Either way, prophecy is a plot element and not admissable as a reason why Anakin pwns anybody, or else he really COULD beat everyone even as a baby.

Originally posted by Wesker
Meh, I didn't read that. Probably should have. Either way, prophecy is a plot element and not admissable as a reason why Anakin pwns anybody, or else he really COULD beat everyone even as a baby.

Unless of course there were more chosen one's, which seems to be true if you listen to Jolee Bindo... After all he talks about a chosen one, he preformed his important in live by being thrown into a reactor shaft and accidentally making the ship explode but the point still stands.

And the fact that the Sith even after Anakin somehow managed to survive and probably will return later on.

The idea of the Chosen One is more or less a central movie plot than a "One time only" cosmic event in Star Wars. And considering that EU is an alternate universe, I fail to see how people can apply that standard to everything.

Originally posted by Wesker
The idea of the Chosen One is more or less a central movie plot than a "One time only" cosmic event in Star Wars. And considering that EU is an alternate universe, I fail to see how people can apply that standard to everything.

Well the thing is the chosen one prophecy is never really made clear it could mean a lot of things, it was also never said that it would Anakin the most powerful or that Anakin was the only chosen one. A lot of the prophecy remains in doubt, and why couldn't there have been more? I mean the main prophecy it was based on has more then one chosen one, or at least has the chosen one return to earth a second time...

I think the biggest killer is that the idea of the prophecy was to prevent the SIth from upsetting the balance.

Well, it would seem to me that the Sith have done this many many times before. Why should the PT era be the only exception?

Originally posted by Wesker
I think the biggest killer is that the idea of the prophecy was to prevent the SIth from upsetting the balance.

Well, it would seem to me that the Sith have done this many many times before. Why should the PT era be the only exception?

Don't know, which again is a reason why there could have been more chosen one's.

Sith were stopped before, according to Mace or was it Yoda in LOE (I think Yoda) that can only be done with the chosen one... The Sith weren't killed for good after the events in ROTJ. Sidious returns. So Anakin could not have been the only chosen one. He didn't end the Sith for good..

I believe the prophecy was the same one in the Matrix. There wer many chosen ones. You could say Revan was the chosen one of his era, Anakin of his, and Luke of his..

i love jolee bindo