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no contest yoda and kreia all the way yoda unleashes fury upon malak with his saber kreia kill dooku with force lightning and choke

Originally posted by darth-yoda
no contest yoda and kreia all the way yoda unleashes fury upon malak with his saber kreia kill dooku with force lightning and choke
Dooku can deflect lighting with his hands. Only Yoda and Dooku have been seen to do that. Dooku can easily force choke Kriea like he did with Obi-Wan in ROTS. And he can counter it with push. But Yoda would defeat Malak and then Dooku would have to fight Yoda and Kreia so Dooku wouldn't win.

Lol Dooku can force choke Kreia??? My god thats the most hilarious thing I have ever heard. Think beefore you write next time.

Malak would fight Yoda and he would have a really hard fight, but Kreia would take care of Dooku a lot faster by sheer force powers. Then Kreia would help Yoda take care of Malak.

Kreia and Yoda will win most likely.

However Dooku and Malak might also pull it off, if Dooku or Malak can take down Kreia while the other faces Yoda. Dooku/Malak would put up a great fight against Kreia and if they move fast enough and it becomes a lightsaber duel then Kreia is probably screwed. Then its two against one and there is just no way that Yoda would win something like that.

For the last damn time...

YODA AT HIS PEAK IS ROTS. It's not like he's gonna get amazingly stronger at a younger age at the expense of his knowledge. And from now on let's try not to suppose so damn much. I know the options are drying up but when you start going "Yoda at full Sith potential versus Anakin with Vaapad" you pretty much make the speculation even worse. Try not to deviate so much from the actual characters... it's already hard enough to reach decisions.

Originally posted by Fishy
Lol Dooku can force choke Kreia??? My god thats the most hilarious thing I have ever heard. Think beefore you write next time.

Malak would fight Yoda and he would have a really hard fight, but Kreia would take care of Dooku a lot faster by sheer force powers. Then Kreia would help Yoda take care of Malak.

Kreia and Yoda will win most likely.

However Dooku and Malak might also pull it off, if Dooku or Malak can take down Kreia while the other faces Yoda. Dooku/Malak would put up a great fight against Kreia and if they move fast enough and it becomes a lightsaber duel then Kreia is probably screwed. Then its two against one and there is just no way that Yoda would win something like that.
Dooku easily forced choke Obi-Wan in ROTS then kicked Anakin back then throw Obi-Wan across the room like he was a toy. And Malak hold back Yoda or kill Kreia while Dooku kills Kreia and holds back Yoda. Everyone said Mace could beat Kreia and Dooku is stronger then Mace.

What everybody says is none of my concern.

And who cares about what Dooku did to Obi, Malak is so much more powerful then Obi. He smacked around two Jedi constantly choking them without killing them and then throwing his lightsaber at one and launching lightning at another. Dooku never did anything like that. So your point here is what really?

Kreia's mastery of the Force excels Jedi masters AND Sith lords. She easily dominates Lord Sion at the end of KOTOR, and defeats his disciples easily. She also destroys three Jedi Masters using "A technique in the Force against which there is no defense." It is a variant of the power that these new post-Jedi Civil War Sith have begun to adopt. Malak or Dooku would be lucky to counter such a technique, considering it's impossible to counter by those who know of it and created it. And ROTS Obi-Wan is a thirty-some year old Jedi Master versus Kreia who could be any age above 60 Jedi master with five years of Sith knowledge that Dooku could only dream of attaining.

Again, your logic sucks.

Hmm Janus the technique against which there is no defense is not known by her and not developed by her. Nihilus has it not she, for the rest I agree.

Arbiter, everyone who said Mace WOULD win, not might, but would, is an idiot.

Malak would attack Yoda with lightsaber attacks, forcing Yoda to go his all on him to kill him. In the meantime, Kreia would engage Dooku in a Force battle. Now, Dooku reflected lightning that he'd shot at Yoda, Yoda had absorbed, then shot back at him. It was old, weak lightning. Kreia's lightning would very possibly overwhelm him. If she can't kill him in a Force battle, then she's pretty much gone. That leaves Yoda to fend off a possibly weakened malak and a rather weak Dooku. Yoda might pull it off, but I doubt it.

Well, Fishy, she said specifically "Techniques". The technique she used on the three Jedi masters on Dantooine was obviously something they hadn't the ability to defend against. And who's to say she didn't study and learn Nihilus' technique. She says herself that Nihilus is simply the result of such teachings taken to the extreme.

She did when was that? I remember her saying that you could not learn techniques like that... You either could or could not do them as simple as that.

And yeah I know the Jedi Masters could not defend against that particulair technique that doesn't mean nobody can however, or maybe its just extremely hard to do. Either way one attack like that would seriously hurt if not kill Dooku at the start of the fight.

yeah but Dooku is 4,000 years after Kriea so when he became a Sith Lord or when he was still a Jedi he may have studied the old Jedi/Sith ways since form II was most used back then and Dooku was the only recorded Jedi Master to master form II in his time.

You're not listening to the arguments. And that last one makes no sense. The point is, if it came down to melee combat, Kreia would get killed. Pure and simple. But, it won't, because Kreia's VASTLY superior Force power and knowledge would allow her to kill Dooku before a saber engagement.

Oh he studied the ways of old, but he could never as much about them as those people could have. Wars and the end of the Sith and the weakening of the Jedi made a lot of knowledge get lost. Little would be known about them and their techniques.

And wouldn't Dooku be the better choice against Yoda since his form II gives him the edge? Yoda would have to keep moving for Dooku not to kill him since Yoda doesn't focus much on defense when he's jumping around. And Malak would defeat Kriea due to his exp in the wars he fought.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Malak is a great fighter himself, we don't know his form but he could probably hold of Yoda for a very long time.

And Malak killing Kreia fast? I don't know, Dooku couldn't pull it off I know that. Malak might, but then again Kreia her power is amazing in her own right Malak is great too and by far the better duelist, still could he come cloes enough. Could he resist her attacks and take her down? I'm not sure.

Good point.
But couldn't Malak push the attacks on Kreia stopping her from doing her little force trick thingys?

Depends... How long would it take Kreia to attack how much can Malak block, how fast can Malak run? It depends on a lot of factors, if Kreia can keep her distance then she will win. If Malak manages to come close then he will win, he has a chance of blocking all her attacks but she would throw entire mountains at him if necessary and I just don't know how he compares in the force to her.

She does say that Nihilus is the result of the corrupted, new Sith teachings and that he is the pinnacle of such, hence his unnatural abilities. You need high enough influence when you ask her initially about him, and I think awareness helps. Anyways, Kreia taught Nihilus and Sion. Nihilus, for all his weirdness, did not create and hone an ability out of thin air, especially since Kreia herself tells you the Sith assassins use a similar technique, growing stronger in the presence of Force sensitives. And seeing as she pretty much taught Sion, leader of the Sith Assassins, I would assume that she knew and used the ability herself. Note that the bodies of the Jedi masters are described as being not only dead but devoid of the Force when you examine them.

That last thing is a really good point.

I thought so. Thank you.

Originally posted by Fishy
What everybody says is none of my concern.

And who cares about what Dooku did to Obi, Malak is so much more powerful then Obi. He smacked around two Jedi constantly choking them without killing them and then throwing his lightsaber at one and launching lightning at another. Dooku never did anything like that. So your point here is what really?

Where did you get that info from?

It's in the game. If you played it, you'd see.

So suddently we belive in what the game has to offer? i thought video games were not canon.

My god, how can you debate Malak, Revan, Kreia and all those people if you can't trust video games. You are hilarious you know that. And yes they are cannon.

I don't know. The games do tend to make a lot of people ultra powerful.

How so? Revan did not blow up stars he did control one. Okay he battled his way through hundreds of Sith in two locations, and that can be seen as extreme so you could put that into context and change hundreds to dozens, and hours to days or weeks. But thats the extent of it, what the game says is real.

Until Gl says that KOTOR is based of his SW. Then these games and charachters could all be just made up. I believe he wrote about TPH through ROTJ. And games/books are usually not canon becuz its not what Gl wrote about, and most of the time no way connects to his movies or stories.

What story other than those in the Infinities contradict the movies? EU is canon unless GL contradicts it or it contradicts him. And for the seventh time in three days, this is the EU SECTION. We debate EU material. And we are currently talking about characters from a game that you think shouldn't exist. Jeez.

Does that make the "Ultimate Revenge Of The Sith" (when anakin jumps on mustafar towards obi he kills obi and then kills sids) level on Star Wars ROTS canon? Or Lego Star Wars canon?

Last I remembered Vader couldn't jump and Obi-Wan hacked of Anakin's leg and arm.

Originally posted by MAKASHIMAN
Does that make the "Ultimate Revenge Of The Sith" (when anakin jumps on mustafar towards obi he kills obi and then kills sids) level on Star Wars ROTS canon? Or Lego Star Wars canon?

No but thats because it directly contradicts the movies. Everything that contradicts the movies or what GL says is none cannon. As long as it doesn't do that and is approvd by Lucasarts or whatever then its Cannon. And Kotor was definetely approved by them.

What about Wiki? That could've been approve by GL.

Could have been but isn't. And never will be. Somethings on Wiki are cannon but Wikipedia itself is not. Things on SW sites approved by lucasArts are cannon too. Like starwars.com or swkotor.com or kotor2.com all cannon.

What are you talking about? Wiki is just a place that is added on to by people like you and me. Mostly you. That has stuff that dirctly contradicts him Luminara having skills rivaling Dooku? Don't think so.

LOL. You yourself are a contradiction Mace would never join the darkside. I don't believe everything I hear like Luminara able to kill Dooku? But I did hear from a reputable site that G.Greivous had cortosis armor. I gotta find that site.........................................

That may explain why Grievous can take a direct hit from a lightsaber but then so could Vader as shown in ESB when Luke hit Vader in his shoulder.

Vader has Durasteel it's penetrable but really resistant.

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