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THESE EXCELLENT SWORDSMEN FIGHT WITH NORMAL SWORDS............

WHO WINS?

If it's not using force powers, then Jack.

If force is allowed, Windu.

Force is allowed

Mace Windu wins even without force powers.

He's proboly the best Lightsaber wielder in the univeverse, includeing that migit Yoda and Vader.

Originally posted by sam_drugbringer
Mace Windu wins even without force powers.

He's proboly the best Lightsaber wielder in the univeverse, includeing that migit Yoda and Vader.

but Jack takes on hundreds at a time

Even with out force powers Mace would still easily take the Samurai. Force Powers is over kill. Mace for sure.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Even with out force powers Mace would still easily take the Samurai. Force Powers is over kill. Mace for sure.

ok no force powers and jack has his sword

"It dosen't matter. Mace is Freaking unstopable."

Mace still easily takes him. Mace is the best duelist of all time.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Mace still easily takes him. Mace is the best duelist of all time.

hmm but Jack always wins

Originally posted by sam_drugbringer
"It dosen't matter. Mace is Freaking unstopable."
No I know quite a few that can stop him.

Yoda
NJO Luke Skywalker
Many more.....

Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
hmm but Jack always wins
Not always I recall one episode where he got beat by this big blue man. He was in the way of the time portal.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Not always I recall one episode where he got beat by this big blue man. He was in the way of the time portal.

yess but he moved in ways Mace never could

Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
yess but he moved in ways Mace never could
Mace outclasses him as a duelist by a long shot.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Mace outclasses him as a duelist by a long shot.

based on what Mace was in trouble in attack of the clones in the arena, Jack would have killed everyone at once - he does it every episode

Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
based on what Mace was in trouble in attack of the clones in the arena, Jack would have killed everyone at once - he does it every episode
Mace was never in trouble in the attack of the clones. A long rang shooter would kill Jack.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
No I know quite a few that can stop him.

Yoda
NJO Luke Skywalker
Many more.....

Yoda can not beat Windu's Vapaad without resorting to force powers.

NJO Luke could hardly beat Vader, who was much weakened from when he was Anakin in Ep 3.

Without force powers I would say jack...

Jack is by far the better fighter Its only due to maces force powers that he is able to duel so well... Jack has dodged armies firing at him. mace would struggle with a 100 droids....

The one guy who beat him says that jack will beat him in the future. That guy is pure uberness Did you see all the armies hes killed defending that time portal?

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Mace was never in trouble in the attack of the clones. A long rang shooter would kill Jack.

Jack killed three archers that could fire arrows at a rate of hundreds per second...while he was blind-folded.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Mace still easily takes him. Mace is the best duelist of all time. Mace is the third best swordsmen in the SW galaxy behind Count Dooku and Yoda.

I take him over Jack.

This battle isn't even close...

Jack can move faster than the eye perceives, can lift several tons, can jump hundreds of yards in the air, can cut through nearly anything, and takes on entire armies easily.

Originally posted by 00.y
This battle isn't even close...

Jack can move faster than the eye perceives, can lift several tons, can jump hundreds of yards in the air, can cut through nearly anything, and takes on entire armies easily.

I agree

Originally posted by 00.y
This battle isn't even close...

Jack can move faster than the eye perceives, can lift several tons, can jump hundreds of yards in the air, can cut through nearly anything, and takes on entire armies easily. Watch the Clone Wars volume 1.

Mace gets sh!t done in there.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Watch the Clone Wars volume 1.

Mace gets sh!t done in there.

If you mean the little cartoons, no one in either volume could take on Jack.

Mace did everything you mentioned. Jack is cool but he is outclassed in more than one category.

Speed = Jack
Strength = Jack
Skill = Jack
Insane powers = Jack

Originally posted by 00.y
Speed = Jack
Strength = Jack
Skill = Jack
Insane powers = Jack Yea ok.

Have you ever seen Samurai Jack?

Originally posted by 00.y
Have you ever seen Samurai Jack? Yea I used to watch it all the time. The same guys who made it made the Clone Wars cartoons.

Did you see what Mace did in those cartoons? He's f#cking insanely powerful.

Jack outdoes Mace in every way.

Originally posted by 00.y
Jack outdoes Mace in every way. Did you see what Mace did in Clone Wars?

What? Refresh my memory.

Originally posted by 00.y
What? Refresh my memory. Just as I suspected.

Can you tell us what amazing things he did?

mace is at superhuman levels.]
also he has taken armies of hundreds just using his bare hands.

Where?

He was fighting on Dantooine. Which is a dessert like planet. His team of Clone troopers were pushing back countless Super Battledroid. Then out of nowhere a giant ship approaches Mace and his squad. The ship was hovering over the desert then a giant cylinder shaped hammer stomped the ground and cause earthquake like effects and putting a huge whole in the ground. All of his troppers fill into the whole cause it caused a avalanche like effect due to the sand.

Mace used the force to jump hundred of feet into the air only to land right in the middle of atleast 1000 Super battle droids. He used the force to smash away a few layers of droids and had to take some out h2h cause he lost he saber when he jumped out of the crater. The way he took out the droids without his saber was awesome also. He used to force to take out the bolts of a few droids then those droid fell into pieces then he proceeded to use the bolts to throw at some other droids at high vlelocity disabling them in the process. Then he got his saber back and jumped ontop of the ship and disabled it.

I may have left out some stuff but if you watch the cartoon its much cooler than I described. He showed awsome h2h skills and awesome footspeed and handspeed.

Imagine a legendary hero. Someone that defeats entire armies. Someone that literally crushes any and all opposition. Someone that has searched for centuries for a worthy opponent, but found none. Someone that can beat someone at their own game.

Now imagine someone that beats these kind of guys all the time, and you have Jack.

mace was the best lightsbaer fighter to ever live. he would own jacks it not even funny.

That was a very brief description of the battle. Trust me it was much cooler than I described.

yes it was

Jack could do all of that, very easily.

Originally posted by 00.y
Jack could do all of that, very easily.

I agree Jack is ridiculous

lol I watch the show dude no jacks would of died. jacks is so out match it is not funny

Maybe these two have comics, but the TV show is the primary source for Jack, and Star Wars is seen trhough other mediums as well. I'm moving this.

Please go to the link in my sig or just check the rules thread...the new rules deal directly with stuff like this.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
lol I watch the show dude no jacks would of died. jacks is so out match it is not funny

It's quite the opposite. Mace wouldn't even know what hit him.

I saw an episode where Samurai Jack were hunted by 4 beasts I think, where 1 of them could beat or at least match him. They we're equipped with normal bows and strong swords and made Jack flee. I know he is an excellent fighter, I'm still thinking about whos going to win. But saying he can't or has never lost a fight is a bit of overreacting, you have to explain why he flee in that situation before I'll make a decision.

Weren't those lion dudes revered as the best hunters in the galaxy?

Yeah I think they we're, still he couldent take them which means he aint undefeatable. Though I guess that was pretty much in the beginning of the whole thing, has he gotten any better since then, if he has would he be able to take them now?

Remember the conditions here peeps Mace can't use the force.. With the force he would win.. Without hes lost most of what made him uber...

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Mace still easily takes him. Mace is the best duelist of all time.

Jack was the best swordsman in his own time, AND he is the best when in the future.

Well he said force powers which is the likes of force push, pull etc but not stripped totally of the force. So he will still be able to predict movement and do incredible moves or whatever he can do.

Originally posted by 00.y
Weren't those lion dudes revered as the best hunters in the galaxy?

Yes. And Jango Fett was revered as the best bounty hunter in the Galaxy and the "deadliest man in the Galaxy" and still Mace wasted him.

And for the clone wars battle on Dantooine:
- Mace destroyed hundrets of Super Battle droids with his force powers
- he punched through durasteel with his bare hands (!)
- he dodged blaster bolts being fired at him
- he reflected blaster bolts back fired at him from different directions
- he moved damn fast (force speed)
- he jumped hundrets of yards in the air on the Hoovertank
- he jumped about a mile from the battlefield to a hill

If force powers are allowed Mace would destroy Jack.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Yes. And Jango Fett was revered as the best bounty hunter in the Galaxy and the "deadliest man in the Galaxy" and still Mace wasted him.

And for the clone wars battle on Dantooine:
- Mace destroyed hundrets of Super Battle droids with his force powers
- he punched through durasteel with his bare hands (!)
- he dodged blaster bolts being fired at him
- he reflected blaster bolts back fired at him from different directions
- he moved damn fast (force speed)
- he jumped hundrets of yards in the air on the Hoovertank
- he jumped about a mile from the battlefield to a hill

If force powers are allowed Mace would destroy Jack.

Considering that Clone Wars and Samurai Jack are from the SAME creators, I am not suprised of that.

Yup most jedis would own jack.. for the force is very powerful..

Mace couldn't do one of those feats without the force Borbarad
.. Jack could do a few..

But without the force mace is toast... and seeing as whirly the threader specified no force.. Who wins??

You notice how you are only referring to The Clone Wars series? That is because you want Mace to win and TCW exaggerated characters...a lot. Yoda lifted up a ship and crashed it into another one, it's ridiculous. Mace took out the screws in battle droids, used them as bullets, punched through many droids and jumped like a mile. Mace is not actually that powerful, no Jedi even the ancient Sith Lords are that martial.

If Windu couldn't catch Jack in force crush, there's no way he could beat him.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
You notice how you are only referring to The Clone Wars series? That is because you want Mace to win and TCW exaggerated characters...a lot. Yoda lifted up a ship and crashed it into another one, it's ridiculous. Mace took out the screws in battle droids, used them as bullets, punched through many droids and jumped like a mile. Mace is not actually that powerful, no Jedi even the ancient Sith Lords are that martial.

If Windu couldn't catch Jack in force crush, there's no way he could beat him.

What makes you think the Ancient Sith Lords aren't that Martial? Comic books have illustrated feats of Nadd or Kun or have described them in detail that would quite easily put them up there.

Maybe because we're refering TCW because Mace was only in 2 Action scenes in the entire frigging saga? And if you're blind, I should remind you that BobNai did reference him beating Jango Fett, who was considered the most dangeorus man in the Galaxy which includes millions of planets and trillions upon trillions of individuals. There's simply a FAR deeper field of talent to choose from.

Watch TCW, read Shatterpoint, watch Mace put Sidious on his ass.

And besides, if you say the TCW exaggerates for Mace, they exaggerate for Jack too. The fact of the matter is they are made by the same creator. And the fact of the matter is that Mace DID punch through durasteel at rapid speed and fight off hundreds of battledroids at once, even without a lightsaber.

Ok, all fair and well, but just answer me this Illustrious: Do you think that TCW exaggerates how good people really are?

Sure, it may well exaggerate the motions and the visuals, but it doesn't exaggerate the feats, which are official. And besides, if TCW exaggerates, so does Samurai Jack as they are by the same creators.

If you want to have a feat by feat comparison, Mace wins.

Well was Samuri Jack a comic? If it was then I am not a valid source for argument because I don't know enough about it. However if the television show is the origional, then it can't be exaggerated, it's the first. TCW is a series that exaggerates the origional, so you are comparing something that is the normal for the character (Jack), to something that is overpowered (Windu) and they are still close in powers, so Jack should be molre powerful.

Sound reasonable?

The Lightsaber can cut through his sword

It's sword on sword hot action!

Originally posted by Illustrious
What makes you think the Ancient Sith Lords aren't that Martial? Comic books have illustrated feats of Nadd or Kun or have described them in detail that would quite easily put them up there.

Maybe because we're refering TCW because Mace was only in 2 Action scenes in the entire frigging saga? And if you're blind, I should remind you that BobNai did reference him beating Jango Fett, who was considered the most dangeorus man in the Galaxy which includes millions of planets and trillions upon trillions of individuals. There's simply a FAR deeper field of talent to choose from.

Watch TCW, read Shatterpoint, watch Mace put Sidious on his ass.

And besides, if you say the TCW exaggerates for Mace, they exaggerate for Jack too. The fact of the matter is they are made by the same creator. And the fact of the matter is that Mace DID punch through durasteel at rapid speed and fight off hundreds of battledroids at once, even without a lightsaber.

As Illustrious and Wolverine pointed out, Mace's abilities far exceed that of a samurai with a magical sword. Mace will most definately win this battle, even without his lightsaber.

Dont you guys understand...Jack always wins.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Dont you guys understand...Jack always wins. OMFG... Your right, your freakin' right! Jack can kill Mace while sleeping in a pit of acid and still kill Mace and make it to his 5pm soap opera. I don't know what came over me, thinking Mace could eva kill Jack...

Originally posted by Mantis
OMFG... Your right, your freakin' right! Jack sleeping can kill Mace while sleeping in a pit of acid and still kill Mace and make it to his 5pm soap opera. I don't know what came over me, thinking Mace could eva kill Jack...

Well said

Jack has actually been beaten several times, Mace doesent need to kill him just beat him, and the thing about him going to be the best warrior in the future, well that's what they said about Anakin.

This thread is stupid, and the fact that the guy who made Samurai Jack made TCW cartoons just makes me hate them even more.

Is the cartoon the origional Samuri Jack? There was no comic series or anything, right?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Well was Samuri Jack a comic? If it was then I am not a valid source for argument because I don't know enough about it. However if the television show is the origional, then it can't be exaggerated, it's the first. TCW is a series that exaggerates the origional, so you are comparing something that is the normal for the character (Jack), to something that is overpowered (Windu) and they are still close in powers, so Jack should be molre powerful.

Sound reasonable?

I'm not comparing visuals. I've already said that. I'm comparing feats. The feats in TCW happened in SW continuity. Mace DID punch through durasteel, he did overpower hundreds of droids with and without a lightsaber.

The way it was portrayed by the animators is irrelevant, and seeing as how it was even on both sides, it's doubly irrelevant. The fact that we're comparing a samurai -- however talented -- with some basic magic against one of the greatest Jedi lightsaber prodigies in the galaxy is beyond me.

Originally posted by Illustrious
The fact that we're comparing a samurai -- however talented -- with some basic magic against one of the greatest Jedi lightsaber prodigies in the galaxy is beyond me.

hmmm perhaps cause the threader specified that Mace doesn't have the force and they both use normal swords....

Most agreed at the start mace takes it easy with the force... so Whirly changed the conditions...

Please try to keep up....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
hmmm perhaps cause the threader specified that Mace doesn't have the force and they both use normal swords....

Most agreed at the start mace takes it easy with the force... so Whirly changed the conditions...

Please try to keep up....

If there's no force, they're dead. The force is all-permeating.

That's like saying let's take Baby Jesus with no head versus a Cow with no legs and a boy with his joints on backwards. You're just being asinine with that one.

hmmm theres no force in jacks world and hes fine.... Don't be silly... Mace will be a normal human in this fight, just like jack...

Now who would win?

LOL

If Mace doens't have the force of his ligtsaber, then it will be Samurai Jack vs Samuel L. Jackson!

Yes now the whole battle is changed. It could just have been a normal human vs Samurai Jack now insted of putting a famous Star Wars warrior here and strip him of all that makes him good.

of = or.

Thanks alot for being unable to edit your own text later.... ^^

Originally posted by Illustrious
I'm not comparing visuals. I've already said that. I'm comparing feats. The feats in TCW happened in SW continuity. Mace DID punch through durasteel, he did overpower hundreds of droids with and without a lightsaber...


Then Yoda did throw a ship into another that was like a mile away? And C-3P0 did take a grenade to the chest? And Anakin killed a rediculously large beast with his lightsaber that wouldn't have even been able to pierce through every layer of it's skin? It all happened no matter how freaking rediculous it looks and how impossible it is? Well, that is dissappointing.

And by the way, what makes you say that Mace Windu has less impreeive stunts under his belt than Samurai Jack? Has Mace Windu ever destroyed pure evil energy darness? No. Samurai Jack has jumped just as far and destroyed many more battle droid equivelents (I had no other name for them) then Windu did in TCW by himself. The only difference is that TCW is an exaggeration of the origional character whils Samurai Jack is the origional. If they are on par in the cartoons, but Mace is clearly overpowered, then Jack is far more impressive.