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Obsession is 5 months before ROTS, I beleive, a little after Anakin was knighted. Well, you've read the comics, right?

For those of you that haven't and are bored or really want to post on this thread and can't due to lack of information!!!... : http://www.swcomics.com/?f=Obsession

Well, seeing that Assaj was able to give Anakin a very tough fight, and Maul >>>>Assak (Sith>Dark Jedi), I am goin to give this to Maul.

Obsession Asajj is just as strong or stronger than Maul. Anakin was only losing cause he wasn't trying to kill Asajj. I say Anakin beats Maul though that could go either way.

Anakin should be able to take out Maul. While Maul was a sith lord, he was very inexperienced and still very much a student while Anakin by Obsession was not far off how powerful he was in ROTS and was as powerful as most jedi masters imo. Anakin also displayed more skill in the movies imo and throughout the EU, has displayed greater strength in the force (such as destroying a building through the force by screaming) while Maul has hardly displayed anything too spectacular with the force imho.

Anakin would destroy Maul.

If he's anything close to RotS Anakin, Maul is.... .

No....Maul could even give ROTS Anakin a tough fight. YOu guys are seriously underestimating him.

Maul would give anyone a tough fight, he is in no regards a pushover. This Anakin is weaker than ROTS Anakin, so my mind isn't made up on who the victor would be (hence why I made the thread).

Dude, Maul was getting dominated by Padawan Kenobi. RotS Anakin is, at the very least, equal with Jedi Council Member Kenobi.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Obsession Asajj is just as strong or stronger than Maul. Anakin was only losing cause he wasn't trying to kill Asajj. I say Anakin beats Maul though that could go either way. he was too, did you not hear him say, "i was only being selfish, but i was afraid to lose you as long as she was alive" this goes to maul.

Anakin should take this, he was damn good with both saber and sword. And he was not loosing the battle, and he was not trying to kill her, Obi kept him from doing that and he listened to him.... And when he said he struck her out of fear was when Obi was talking to her when she was about to kill him with that metal piece, not about their battle. (Which I would not call a battle because neither Obi or Ani tried to kill her. Anakin wanted to but Obi wouldn't allow it).

It could go either way.
Anakin only gained the upper hand with Dooku when the Count taunted him. Maul didn't really say anything during his duel with Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon. Yes, Maul was beaten by Padawan Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan used a trick shot rather than straight out fencing (even when he lost his temper following Qui-Gon's death and drove Maul back, Maul was still able to recover the ground he'd lost. I think had the duel continued, Maul could have won (he was certainly good enough to duel Qui-Gon, who was supposed to be one of the Jedi's finest swordsmen. So getting back on track...
Maul isn't a pushover by any means. He's also unlikely to taunt Anakin to anger him, so given his more extensive training in duelling, if it was to go one way, I think Maul could take it, but it would not be an easy victory, and would be along the lines of Anakin's duel with Obi-Wan. There would be a lot of stalemating, before Maul ultimately takes it.

Anakin would crush Maul. Maul got his ass beat by Padawan Kenobi. Anakin was stronger than Council member Kenobi. Jedi Master Kenobi would kick Mauls ass so hard its not even funny., Obi-wan was pushed to his very limits in the duel against Anakin. Obi-wan was tired as hell while Anakin was still relatively fresh. He would destroy Maul even faster than Obi-wan would. Maul is overrated.

1. Anakin is NOT stronger than Council member Kenobi, this is Obsession Anakin, NOT ROTS Anakin!
2. Maul was NOT getting owned by TPM Obi-Wan, look at the first 90% of their fight when Maul was owning Obi-Wan while fending off Qui-Gon. At the end of the duel, even when Obi-Wan was using his anger he was still unable to best Maul in lightsaber combat and had to rely on his luck to win.

Maul defeating Qui-Gon was a cheap shot, he didn't overcome him until he hit him in the face with the hilt. Maul would probably have won anyway, but it would take longer time... Anakin by obsession is near Anakin in ROTS. Anakin is damn good at this point.

Anakin defeated Assaj Ventress twice in battle, she overcame Obi-Wan as a knight/master damn faster than Maul overcame him as a padawan. Anakin showed alot better usage of the force than Maul as well....

Anakin also overcame Dooku (in ROTS, but this is not far from it) who is clearly alot superior than Maul. (I don't want to bring the discussion about Dooku and Anakin into this thread so I used the word "overcame". I think Anakin has this, not easily but he has.

Originally posted by kamikz
Maul defeating Qui-Gon was a cheap shot, he didn't overcome him until he hit him in the face with the hilt. Maul would probably have won anyway, but it would take longer time...
Very true. That said, Obi-Wan also needed a cheap shot to overcome Maul. Had their fight continued on a more level area, I suspect Maul would have taken Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by kamikz
Anakin defeated Assaj Ventress twice in battle, she overcame Obi-Wan as a knight/master damn faster than Maul overcame him as a padawan.
I'm not so sure... I think Maul was a lot better than Assaj. Don't forget, the majority of the fight, he was fighting not just Obi-Wan, but also Qui-Gon as well...

Originally posted by kamikz
Anakin showed alot better usage of the force than Maul as well....
This is also true... Anakin does have a penchant for cheapshots...

Originally posted by kamikz
I think Anakin has this, not easily but he has.
Without bring up the Anakin-Dooku debate, I think that if Anakin were to overcome Maul it would be through similar means of a cheap shot, rather than actually out-duelling him.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
It could go either way.
Anakin only gained the upper hand with Dooku when the Count taunted him. Maul didn't really say anything during his duel with Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon. Yes, Maul was beaten by Padawan Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan used a trick shot rather than straight out fencing (even when he lost his temper following Qui-Gon's death and drove Maul back, Maul was still able to recover the ground he'd lost. I think had the duel continued, Maul could have won (he was certainly good enough to duel Qui-Gon, who was supposed to be one of the Jedi's finest swordsmen. So getting back on track...
Maul isn't a pushover by any means. He's also unlikely to taunt Anakin to anger him, so given his more extensive training in duelling, if it was to go one way, I think Maul could take it, but it would not be an easy victory, and would be along the lines of Anakin's duel with Obi-Wan. There would be a lot of stalemating, before Maul ultimately takes it.

I have to disagree. At that point Obi-Wan was winning the battle at that point. And Maul had like 2 lines in TPM so I doubt he'll taunt Anakin. Obi-Wan from TPM was capable to defeating Maul and Anakin is equal or greater to Jedi Master Obi-Wan.

Maul. He was not defeated in battle by Kenobi. He was killed by Kenobi, but only after disarming him.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Very true. That said, Obi-Wan also needed a cheap shot to overcome Maul. Had their fight continued on a more level area, I suspect Maul would have taken Obi-Wan.


I'm not so sure... I think Maul was a lot better than Assaj. Don't forget, the majority of the fight, he was fighting not just Obi-Wan, but also Qui-Gon as well...


This is also true... Anakin does have a penchant for cheapshots...


Without bring up the Anakin-Dooku debate, I think that if Anakin were to overcome Maul it would be through similar means of a cheap shot, rather than actually out-duelling him.


Yes I agree, I don't think Obi-Wan could have prevailed, but he did put up a damn good fight to him....


I don't agree with this, I think Assaj is a little better than Maul actually, or equal. Few could match sabers with her.
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=24&f=41&name=Jedi_-_Mace_Windu
In mere seconds she is able to disarm a jedi....
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=23&f=41&name=Jedi_-_Mace_Windu
She was even able to put up a fair fight with Mace Windu and escape with her life....
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=39&f=41&name=Jedi_-_Mace_Windu

This is Assaj before Obsession. She is very skilled with the force as well. By using the force only she could completly immobilize Kenobi from doing a single move, she could rip out many boulders from a roof awefully quickly, she pushed trained jedi away with ease. That is only some examples and they far exceeds Mauls "pushing boxes and strangling thugs" force abilities. And this to is Assaj before Obsession....


So does Maul apparently. All he did to gain the better of his opponents in TPM was by taking cheap shots....

Anakin actually outmanuvered Assaj with pure sword skills only, twice. This is the same Assaj that many times before Obsession defeated a more powerful and experienced Obi-Wan than Maul did, and won in about 1/4 the time it took Maul to take down a lesser Kenobi....

Originally posted by kamikz
Yes I agree, I don't think Obi-Wan could have prevailed, but he did put up a damn good fight to him....

Oh for sure, Obi-Wan would not have gone down easily, but I don't think he would have won.

Originally posted by kamikz

I don't agree with this, I think Assaj is a little better than Maul actually, or equal. Few could match sabers with her.
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=24&f=41&name=Jedi_-_Mace_Windu
In mere seconds she is able to disarm a jedi....
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=23&f=41&name=Jedi_-_Mace_Windu
She was even able to put up a fair fight with Mace Windu and escape with her life....
http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=39&f=41&name=Jedi_-_Mace_Windu

This is Assaj before Obsession. She is very skilled with the force as well. By using the force only she could completly immobilize Kenobi from doing a single move, she could rip out many boulders from a roof awefully quickly, she pushed trained jedi away with ease. That is only some examples and they far exceeds Mauls "pushing boxes and strangling thugs" force abilities. And this to is Assaj before Obsession....

Hmmm... Her use of the Force is definitely superior to Maul's, but I still think his duelling skills would be at least equal, if not superior to hers, after all, she is, by her own admission, fighting children. Maul was more than capable of duelling one of the best swordsmen in the Jedi Order and someone else at the same time, which is pretty impressive.

Originally posted by kamikz
So does Maul apparently. All he did to gain the better of his opponents in TPM was by taking cheap shots....
Qui-Gon, yes (although Qui-Gon should still have been able to defend himself from the blow to the face) Obi-Wan, hardly. A Force push was perfectly acceptable in Maul's scheme of things (He was not as much an adherent to an aristocratic code of honor like Dooku) if anything, it just showed how little attention Obi-Wan was paying to his surroundings (something Qui-Gon had reminded him about at the beggining of the movie) Anakin on the other hand used cheap shots on a regular basis (overpowering Dooku, immobilizing Obi-Wan's saber arm to choke him, and then Force Choking Padme)

Originally posted by kamikz
Anakin actually outmanuvered Assaj with pure sword skills only, twice. This is the same Assaj that many times before Obsession defeated a more powerful and experienced Obi-Wan than Maul did, and won in about 1/4 the time it took Maul to take down a lesser Kenobi....
The comics are hard to really determind the actual nature of a duel as they only show an instant, movies and cartoons at least show the complete action. Also, in CW, Assaj actually outduelled Anakin. She disarmed him on top of the temple, and he then pulled another of his cheap shots against Assaj, as he caught her downward swing and then used the power of his artificial hand to break her wrist to disarm her...
Also, it's hard to tell the actual timescale of a battle in the comics for the same reason I mentioned above.

Well, seeing that Assaj was able to give Anakin a very tough fight, and Maul >>>>Assak (Sith>Dark Jedi), I am goin to give this to Maul.

I can't believe you said that. Just because one is a Sith doesn't mean you are greater then a Dark Jedi.

The comics are hard to really determind the actual nature of a duel as they only show an instant, movies and cartoons at least show the complete action. Also, in CW, Assaj actually outduelled Anakin. She disarmed him on top of the temple, and he then pulled another of his cheap shots against Assaj, as he caught her downward swing and then used the power of his artificial hand to break her wrist to disarm her...
Also, it's hard to tell the actual timescale of a battle in the comics for the same reason I mentioned above.

No the comics are canon as long as they don't contradict anything from the movies which they don't. And stop crying about Anakin being smart to grab someone's arms because you would do it if you had a chance.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
No the comics are canon as long as they don't contradict anything from the movies which they don't.
I never said that they weren't canon, just that it was hard to determine the timescale of the frames.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
And stop crying about Anakin being smart to grab someone's arms because you would do it if you had a chance.
How the f*ck would you know what I would or would not do in a duel??!! I've been studying fencing and martial arts for twenty years, which is longer than you've been alive, and I can assure you that I never have and never would grab someone's arm in a duel. Have you ever actually formally studied duelling, and if so, for how long? (and by that I do not mean swinging a toy lightsaber around in your bedroom, but actually attending fencing classes)

Im not sure. Maul is a very tough fight, afterall he does kill Qui gon and the only reson he losses to Obi-wan is because Qui Gons lightsabre is near by. People seriously underestimate his power. afterall theres no concreate evidence to surgest how he fights away form a big hole in the floor and in normal dueling places. If the hole wasn't there then maul would have ran over to obi and cut him in half whilst he was recovering on the floor from the force push he gave him. plus, look at the duel before the saber lock, maul was dominating obi-wan, he only got one good move out of it when he sliced his saber in half

However Anakin has a strong force power and could use it to his advantage.


If he was able to train for as long as anakin did then he would proberly win but if maul was had the skill in episode 1 and anakin was as skilled as he was in obsession then anakin would win.

maul hates the jedi. the sight of them makes him grind his teeth, but setting this battle up would only make his adrenaline pump and mix with not only hatred and anger, but the darkside aswell. anakin ,however, only gives into hate when he's losing a loved one, or is tempted into his anger. until anakin gives into hate he will lose.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Oh for sure, Obi-Wan would not have gone down easily, but I don't think he would have won.


Hmmm... Her use of the Force is definitely superior to Maul's, but I still think his duelling skills would be at least equal, if not superior to hers, after all, she is, by her own admission, fighting children. Maul was more than capable of duelling one of the best swordsmen in the Jedi Order and someone else at the same time, which is pretty impressive.


Qui-Gon, yes (although Qui-Gon should still have been able to defend himself from the blow to the face) Obi-Wan, hardly. A Force push was perfectly acceptable in Maul's scheme of things (He was not as much an adherent to an aristocratic code of honor like Dooku) if anything, it just showed how little attention Obi-Wan was paying to his surroundings (something Qui-Gon had reminded him about at the beggining of the movie) Anakin on the other hand used cheap shots on a regular basis (overpowering Dooku, immobilizing Obi-Wan's saber arm to choke him, and then Force Choking Padme)


The comics are hard to really determind the actual nature of a duel as they only show an instant, movies and cartoons at least show the complete action. Also, in CW, Assaj actually outduelled Anakin. She disarmed him on top of the temple, and he then pulled another of his cheap shots against Assaj, as he caught her downward swing and then used the power of his artificial hand to break her wrist to disarm her...
Also, it's hard to tell the actual timescale of a battle in the comics for the same reason I mentioned above.


So we agree....



She was able to immobilize Kenobi, a fully fledged jedi master, with the force only. I bet she could do the same to Maul. If by some reason she could not her saber skills plus force would be enough. She was fighting jedi of her age, but she wanted a real match like Mace Windu, and she wasn't even threatened by 3 jedi. Maul was still having a hard fight with a furious padawan Obi-Wan whilst she took down 3 jedi's, where one was furious as hell.....
Assaj also took down Kit Fisto, fast.... Then Kenobi right after... Those were around the best swordsmen in the order.....

He uses alot of kicks while in a saber lock with them, I wouldn't really call it a cheap shot but still, there is no possible way of blocking that, same as grabbing.
Anakin choking Padme is a cheap shot? When were they fighting? And Anakin seems in his anger to use alot of stuff like that, but clearly it is usefull....

No, watch the CW again. Anakin disarms her and she escapes and set out some traps for him. After he is wounded he kicks her ass then they go to the top of the temple where she disarms him, then he takes her sword and kicks her ass again. Anakin won the first duel but Assaj escaped.....

How the f*ck would you know what I would or would not do in a duel??!! I've been studying fencing and martial arts for twenty years, which is longer than you've been alive, and I can assure you that I never have and never would grab someone's arm in a duel. Have you ever actually formally studied duelling, and if so, for how long? (and by that I do not mean swinging a toy lightsaber around in your bedroom, but actually attending fencing classes)

8 years so far. And what the hell does fencing (which in no way will you be killed) has anything to do with lightsaber fighting where the outcome is usually someone dead. In fencing you don't have to worry about that. So stop whinning about Anakin being smart to use physical attacks in combat. Come down from your cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

I agree with your above points, but:

Originally posted by kamikz
Anakin choking Padme is a cheap shot? When were they fighting?
??!! Are you f*cking kidding me??!! It doesn't matter if they were fighting or not, Padme was a pregnant woman! She had absolutely no way of defending herself from Anakin, so yes, that was the lowest of the low as far as cheapshots go!

Originally posted by kamikz
No, watch the CW again. Anakin disarms her and she escapes and set out some traps for him. After he is wounded he kicks her ass then they go to the top of the temple where she disarms him, then he takes her sword and kicks her ass again. Anakin won the first duel but Assaj escaped.....
My mistake, I'd forgotten that.. I've just re-watched the fight, and yes, Anakin did disarm her at the begining, but, from then on, she actually had Anakin on the defensive pretty much untill they reached the temple. Anakin then started using the Force to throw her around (althoug Assaj was able to manipulate objects without any Gestures of Influence) so she is indeed a powerfull Force user. Anakin has her on the defensive till they reach the top of the temple, and when they are then fighting totaly stalemating each other, she then disarms Anakin and sends his saber flying over the side... I'd forgotten just how powerfull she actually was, and was it not a case of Anakin or Obi-Wan having to beat her for plot necessity, I think she could probably take both of them. As For Darth Maul, I'm not 100% sure, as I think he may still have superior fencing skills... Infact, this might be a worthy thread of it's own...

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
How the f*ck would you know what I would or would not do in a duel??!! I've been studying fencing and martial arts for twenty years, which is longer than you've been alive, and I can assure you that I never have and never would grab someone's arm in a duel. Have you ever actually formally studied duelling, and if so, for how long? (and by that I do not mean swinging a toy lightsaber around in your bedroom, but actually attending fencing classes)

8 years so far. And what the hell does fencing (which in no way will you be killed) has anything to do with lightsaber fighting where the outcome is usually someone dead. In fencing you don't have to worry about that. So stop whinning about Anakin being smart to use physical attacks in combat. Come down from your cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
Okay, so you've been studying since alsmost the same age I started, that's fair enough. I've still been studying 12 years longer than you have, so I think it's safe to say my knowledge of the subject is better. I actually went to what in America would be considered a 'posh British school', where traditional European fencing was taught as part of the compulsory PE curriculum, and by the time I was 12, I was able to fence as well as our fencing coach. What does it have to do with it... Well, the techniques and principles are still the same. I seriously doubt that you have ever been in an actual 'duel to the death', (to be honest, I wouldn't believe you if you said you had) and neither have I, but that doesn't mean I don't know the differences between the two or the similarities. No, in fencing you don't have to worry about someone trying to kill you, but, in the RotS duel between Dooku and Anakin, he thought that Anakin was going to become a Sith General, so he knew he did not have to kill Anakin, and Palpatine had said he would not let Dooku be killed, therefore, Dooku would not have looked at it (initially) as a 'duel to the death'.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
I agree with your above points, but:


??!! Are you f*cking kidding me??!! It doesn't matter if they were fighting or not, Padme was a pregnant woman! She had absolutely no way of defending herself from Anakin, so yes, that was the lowest of the low as far as cheapshots go!


My mistake, I'd forgotten that.. I've just re-watched the fight, and yes, Anakin did disarm her at the begining, but, from then on, she actually had Anakin on the defensive pretty much untill they reached the temple. Anakin then started using the Force to throw her around (althoug Assaj was able to manipulate objects without any Gestures of Influence) so she is indeed a powerfull Force user. Anakin has her on the defensive till they reach the top of the temple, and when they are then fighting totaly stalemating each other, she then disarms Anakin and sends his saber flying over the side... I'd forgotten just how powerfull she actually was, and was it not a case of Anakin or Obi-Wan having to beat her for plot necessity, I think she could probably take both of them. As For Darth Maul, I'm not 100% sure, as I think he may still have superior fencing skills... Infact, this might be a worthy thread of it's own...


Chill. They weren't fighting, you can't call it a cheap shot, it wouldn't matter if he took his own hands and strangeled her. He was angry and furious with the dark side and his emotions, he couldn't control himself. You cannot possibly belive that a normal Anakin would do something like that.


Yeah in the force she is obvisouley better, and in saber skills they are kind of equal, but I would put Assaj above Maul there too. So....

Originally posted by kamikz
Chill. They weren't fighting, you can't call it a cheap shot, it wouldn't matter if he took his own hands and strangeled her. He was angry and furious with the dark side and his emotions, he couldn't control himself. You cannot possibly belive that a normal Anakin would do something like that.
Anakin attacked a pregnant woman!!! Do you not understand how wrong that is? That is the kind of shit that would get a prisoner killed by other inmates. What he did was so low, it is beyond the realms of 'cheap shots', and into pure despicable.

Originally posted by kamikz
Yeah in the force she is obvisouley better, and in saber skills they are kind of equal, but I would put Assaj above Maul there too. So....
So you think if Anakin can beat her and she could beat Maul Anakin must be able to beat Maul?
Sorry, I don't really like that formulaic thinking. I think Anakin possibly could defeat Maul, but if he did, it would certainly not be through a fair fight of blade to blade or even Force powers, but one of his cheapshots.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Anakin attacked a pregnant woman!!! Do you not understand how wrong that is? That is the kind of shit that would get a prisoner killed by other inmates. What he did was so low, it is beyond the realms of 'cheap shots', and into pure despicable.


So you think if Anakin can beat her and she could beat Maul Anakin must be able to beat Maul?
Sorry, I don't really like that formulaic thinking. I think Anakin possibly could defeat Maul, but if he did, it would certainly not be through a fair fight of blade to blade or even Force powers, but one of his cheapshots.


I repeate, do you think Anakin would even think about doing that in his normal jedi state?



What's wrong with that? Anakin defeated Assaj twice, this is the woman who defeated the older and more experienced and powerful Obi-Wan much, much faster than Maul overcame a padawan Obi-Wan. She was not able to defeated him with her force powers and not able to defeat him in a sword battle, I don't see what makes Maul able to?

Originally posted by darthsith19
Obsession Asajj is just as strong or stronger than Maul. Anakin was only losing cause he wasn't trying to kill Asajj. I say Anakin beats Maul though that could go either way.

Thats a bad excuse. Jedi dont fight to kill in the first place, so you can't say he wasn't trying hard.

Originally posted by kamikz
Chill. They weren't fighting, you can't call it a cheap shot, it wouldn't matter if he took his own hands and strangeled her. He was angry and furious with the dark side and his emotions, he couldn't control himself. You cannot possibly belive that a normal Anakin would do something like that.


Yeah in the force she is obvisouley better, and in saber skills they are kind of equal, but I would put Assaj above Maul there too. So....

I must diagree there. He got a lil' bitchy and edgywhen Padme was talikn "Separist talk". All for what? That old hag in the senate...

Originally posted by kamikz
I repeate, do you think Anakin would even think about doing that in his normal jedi state?
No. However. Anakin's 'normal Jedi state' is an act. He is not a calm person. He was too old to begin Jedi training. All it takes is for someone to anger him, and he loses control of his emotions and then acts in a cowardly way. It does not take much to provoke Anakin, as Pyro pointed out with how he snapped at Padme when she tried to discuss politics with him.

Originally posted by kamikz
What's wrong with that?
The problem is just because someone beats someone once (or even twice) it does not mean that they could necessarily do so again if luck played a part in their victory. For example, when Obi-Wan beat Darth Maul, that was more luck on Obi-Wan's part than skill. Then Dooku beat Obi-Wan and Anakin in AotC, that was skill rather than luck, so it is likely that he would be able to beat them again. It was luck rather than skill that allowed Anakin to beat Dooku in RotS. It is unlikely that he would have the opportunity to do so again.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
No. However. Anakin's 'normal Jedi state' is an act. He is not a calm person. He was too old to begin Jedi training. All it takes is for someone to anger him, and he loses control of his emotions and then acts in a cowardly way. It does not take much to provoke Anakin, as Pyro pointed out with how he snapped at Padme when she tried to discuss politics with him.


The problem is just because someone beats someone once (or even twice) it does not mean that they could necessarily do so again if luck played a part in their victory. For example, when Obi-Wan beat Darth Maul, that was more luck on Obi-Wan's part than skill. Then Dooku beat Obi-Wan and Anakin in AotC, that was skill rather than luck, so it is likely that he would be able to beat them again. It was luck rather than skill that allowed Anakin to beat Dooku in RotS. It is unlikely that he would have the opportunity to do so again.



Again was a good man, he would not strangle the person he loved most in the world. It was the dark side and Palpatine and the betrayal of every friend he had ever had including his wife that made him do it.


He was facing a padawan and a knight. Now they are master and knight. It's the same deal with Exar Kun and Vodo, Vodo kicked his ass before, then only months later he kicked Vodo's ass.... (This guy was 600 years old and a master of swordsmanship).

Originally posted by kamikz
Again was a good man, he would not strangle the person he loved most in the world. It was the dark side and Palpatine and the betrayal of every friend he had ever had including his wife that made him do it.
I agree, Anakin did have good intentions with everything he did. That does not mean however, that he was not a person who got angry easily or had a violent temper that he could not controll. As I said, he was too old to be trained as a Jedi.

Originally posted by kamikz
He was facing a padawan and a knight. Now they are master and knight. It's the same deal with Exar Kun and Vodo, Vodo kicked his ass before, then only months later he kicked Vodo's ass.... (This guy was 600 years old and a master of swordsmanship).
I don't really know much about Exar and Vodo (other than Exar made the first double bladed lightsaber), but you have just shown that just because one person beats someone once, it does not mean they would do so again. (although did luck play a part at all?) As I said before, (and you agreeed) Obi-Wan's victory over Maul was luck rather than skill, If they fought again, it does not mean Obi-Wan would definitely win (certainly not all the time plot necessity requires Obi-Wan to survive)

Originally posted by Darth Vious
I agree, Anakin did have good intentions with everything he did. That does not mean however, that he was not a person who got angry easily or had a violent temper that he could not controll. As I said, he was too old to be trained as a Jedi.


I don't really know much about Exar and Vodo (other than Exar made the first double bladed lightsaber), but you have just shown that just because one person beats someone once, it does not mean they would do so again. (although did luck play a part at all?) As I said before, (and you agreeed) Obi-Wan's victory over Maul was luck rather than skill, If they fought again, it does not mean Obi-Wan would definitely win (certainly not all the time plot necessity requires Obi-Wan to survive)


Well I agree to some point. I think that Anakin was to old to actually be taught those things yes, and he had a hot temper, but that does not mean he would strangle Padme every day she said something bad, it was just the dark side and the betrayal of his friends that made him do it. Besides, there is only one rule in a battle to the death, survival....


There was no luck when Exar defeated Vodo, so yes I belive that Maul could have won over Obi almost any day of the week. But against a more experienced Obi....nah. This does prove a point in the Dooku vs Anakin thing too....

Originally posted by kamikz but that does not mean he would strangle Padme every day she said something bad,
As Pyro said. Look how angry Anakin got when Padme tried to talk politics with him...
For another example, re-watch the scene where she tells him she is pregnant. She is clearly terrified while she waits for his reaction, and it is clear that to start with, he was not happy to hear the news. It was only after considerable time that he made himself say he was happy.

Originally posted by kamikz
There was no luck when Exar defeated Vodo, so yes I belive that Maul could have won over Obi almost any day of the week. But against a more experienced Obi....nah. This does prove a point in the Dooku vs Anakin thing too....
It doesn't really prove a point because it is dealing with different characters.

Originally posted by Darth Vious
As Pyro said. Look how angry Anakin got when Padme tried to talk politics with him...
For another example, re-watch the scene where she tells him she is pregnant. She is clearly terrified while she waits for his reaction, and it is clear that to start with, he was not happy to hear the news. It was only after considerable time that he made himself say he was happy.


It doesn't really prove a point because it is dealing with different characters.



Every woman would be terrified to tell her husband that she is pregnant if he didn't know it, worse yet if he could be expelled from his job. (That's a bad word but I can't think of anything else when making the comparison of a jedi and real life).



Lol you just said that it did, but now that I brought Dooku and Anakin in you change your mind?

Originally posted by kamikz
Every woman would be terrified to tell her husband that she is pregnant if he didn't know it, worse yet if he could be expelled from his job. (That's a bad word but I can't think of anything else when making the comparison of a jedi and real life).
I think from Anakin's reaction, she was more scared of him than the consequences.

Originally posted by kamikz
Lol you just said that it did, but now that I brought Dooku and Anakin in you change your mind?
I said that when a battle is won because one person got lucky, it means it is unlikely they will do so again.
If one person beats another through skill, then they should be able to beat them again through skill.

No, which is shown with Exar and Vodo. Vodo was a sixhundred year old jedi master, the best in the order, a masterfull swordsman and a staff which was better than lightsabers (so it said). Only months after ,Exar defeated him, some say even with ease. Months ago it was vice versa. Now they are different characters, but this clearly shows that just because someone defeated another through skill does not mean that they will do so later on, when the other has grown in power.....

And sorry, I misunderstood....

Originally posted by kamikz
No, which is shown with Exar and Vodo. Vodo was a sixhundred year old jedi master, the best in the order, a masterfull swordsman and a staff which was better than lightsabers (so it said). Only months after ,Exar defeated him, some say even with ease. Months ago it was vice versa. Now they are different characters, but this clearly shows that just because someone defeated another through skill does not mean that they will do so later on, when the other has grown in power.....
Yoda was 800 years old, but Palpatine and Dooku were both able to stand up to his Force abilities and his saber skills.
I don't deny that characters grow in power, but, if one character grows in power, so do the others. It is not a case of one character growing in power and the other not.

Originally posted by kamikz
And sorry, I misunderstood....
No problem

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Yoda was 800 years old, but Palpatine and Dooku were both able to stand up to his Force abilities and his saber skills.
I don't deny that characters grow in power, but, if one character grows in power, so do the others. It is not a case of one character growing in power and the other not.


No problem



No but some grow more than others, and some are not able to grow anymore on their saber styles and might have learnt all the abilities they want or need or could.

Originally posted by kamikz
No but some grow more than others, and some are not able to grow anymore on their saber styles and might have learnt all the abilities they want or need or could.
That's true. However, the activities Dooku engaged in during the events between AotC and RotS show that he continued to learn and improve.

Where? What did he learn?

Originally posted by kamikz
Where? What did he learn?
The CW showed him sparring with Assajj and Grievous. The comics showed him fighting other Jedi. I couldn't tell you specifically what he learned as in he learned a new saber technique, but he clearly kept his skills sharp, and would have gained something from each of the battles he engaged in.

It says that he had mastered it to the fullest degree, there was nothing more. He could possibly reinfine his techniques but I doubt he needed to. Thing is that Anakin is younger and has much more to learn, and because of his potential he grows in power SO much faster than everyone else. He is wiser in ROTS too than he was in AOTC.

Yes. It's testimony to Anakin's raw potential and command of the Force that, only by age 20-something, he's able to keep up and defeat an established duelist like Count Dooku. I'd say that within the next few years or so - had Mustafar not occured - he would have been able to defeat the likes of Yoda and Palpatine.

Originally posted by kamikz
It says that he had mastered it to the fullest degree, there was nothing more. He could possibly reinfine his techniques but I doubt he needed to. Thing is that Anakin is younger and has much more to learn, and because of his potential he grows in power SO much faster than everyone else. He is wiser in ROTS too than he was in AOTC.
That's a good point about Dooku's saber use, however, as you say, he could still possibly refine his technique. In AotC, he actually admitted to being a slow learner I wouldn't say that Anakin was any wiser in RotS, as he was still very much an immature and easilly angered person. The only thing that might be different, was that he would not have forgotten that Dooku was capable of cutting him, so would no doubt have been extra vigilant in his defensive techniques.

Originally posted by Escape81
Yes. It's testimony to Anakin's raw potential and command of the Force that, only by age 20-something, he's able to keep up and defeat an established duelist like Count Dooku. I'd say that within the next few years or so - had Mustafar not occured - he would have been able to defeat the likes of Yoda and Palpatine.
I quite agree, and Palpatine himself said to Yoda that Anakin would become more powerfull than either of them. However. It took his maiming on Mustafar to force him to learn to controll his emotions better. Had he not suffered that humbling experience, there would unlikely have been anything to make him re-think his attitude.

I don't like Anakin as much as a character. He's got his "cool moments", but a lot of the movies failed to bring out the potential in his "character", and played him off as a person who whines a lot.

Originally posted by Escape81
I don't like Anakin as much as a character. He's got his "cool moments", but a lot of the movies failed to bring out the potential in his "character", and played him off as a person who whines a lot.
I loved Anakin as a character. As a person, he was a whiny a$$hole, but as a character, he was fantastic, and hardly as 2 dimensional as some of the other characters, I thought the movies did a brilliant job of showing the depths of his character (although to be honest, Lucas is hardly the world's greatest director)

Everybody undrestimates maul, but fail to realize maul was taking on an expeirenced Jedi Master and a Over Achived padawan and was probly tired, So after a long fight, Maul would win.

Maul doesn't get tired. He's too good.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Obsession is 5 months before ROTS, I beleive, a little after Anakin was knighted. Well, you've read the comics, right?

For those of you that haven't and are bored or really want to post on this thread and can't due to lack of information!!!... : http://www.swcomics.com/?f=Obsession Anakin wins. But barely.