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Freedon Nadd gets two days of rest and meditation before each battle. Who stops him?

1) Darth Bandon
2) ROTS Vader
3) Count Dooku
4) DE Sidious
5) NJO Luke Skywalker
6) Revan & Exile

4 or 5 imo. There's no way he's getting to 6.

He most likely dies an extremely painful death at DE Sidious. If, by some lucrative chance he makes it, he goes down, hard, at NJO Luke Skywalker.

By the way, if you're going to base your list off of power:

1) Darth Bandon
3) Count Dooku
3) RotS Vader
4) Revan & Exile
5) DE Sidious
6) NJO Luke Skywalker

The list should be:
1) RotS Vader.
3) Count Dooku.
3) Darth Bandon.
4) DE Sidious.
5) NJO Luke Skywalker.
6) Revan & Exile.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
The list should be:
1) RotS Vader.
3) Count Dooku.
3) Darth Bandon.
4) DE Sidious.
5) NJO Luke Skywalker.
6) Revan & Exile.

a. RotS Vader beat Dooku, fair and square. Of course, you being you, have a hard time grasping logic.

b. Dooku's got quite a few decades on Mr. Bandon, more experience, and was quite the Force user. You can't compare video game characters to characters that we actually know about, so there's no point in trying.

c. DE Sidious and especially NJO Luke Skywalker are above Revan and the Exile. Even together. Revan = unknown. Revan = can't repel a Force Storm.

Escape's list is right.

Nebaris, you're a KOTOR fanboy, so, until you can actually prove anything at all , you can keep it to yourself.

Why should you guys even care? It's not like I have the intention of changing people's minds like Escape81 here.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Why should you guys even care? It's not like I have the intention of changing people's minds like Escape81 here.

It's because you can't even attempt it.

I don't care that you have your opinion. Anyone can have the opinion that Darth Maul can take NJO Luke and defeat him, but that doesn't mean that that opinion is logical or factual, making it an opinion and just an opinion.

Facts > opinion.

Because until such a time where you can prove that Revan ranks above Luke, Sidious, Ragnos, or the others - then just shut the hell up about it. Because you have an opinion and an unsupported one at that.

Why isn't this a poll? I say he beats this gauntlet.

Do you not know who DE Sidious or NJO Luke are?

He gets PWNED at DE Sids.

Quick question: What makes Nadd so good again?

Nadd gets at least to 4, him vs. Sidious would be close, could go either way IMO. if he gets past Sidious, though, he goes down as Luke for sure.

Edit: I agree with Escape81's order except I think Revan and Exile should be above DE Sidious.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Do you not know who DE Sidious or NJO Luke are? Yeah. I do.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Nadd gets at least to 4, him vs. Sidious would be close, could go either way IMO. if he gets past Sidious, though, he goes down as Luke for sure.

Edit: I agree with Escape81's order except I think Revan and Exile should be above DE Sidious.

Say what ?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Quick question: What makes Nadd so good again?

Originally posted by Escape81
Say what ?
What I said was: I think Revan and the Exile should be above DE Sidious. I mean, DE Luke and Leia together managed to defeat Sidious and I think it's fair to say that Revan and the Exile > DE Luke and Leia, since at the time of DE Leia's not even that strong.

only as strong as a Sunrider.

Wow, learn what you're talking about...they're both described as extremely powerful and they only wielded the ENTIRE POWER OF THE LIGHT SIDE!

Okay? Rconsider before your credibility dies, kay?

'only as strong as a Sunrider.'

Wasn't Andur incredible?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Quick question: What makes Nadd so good again?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
only as strong as a Sunrider.

Wow, learn what you're talking about...they're both described as extremely powerful and they only wielded the ENTIRE POWER OF THE LIGHT SIDE!

Okay? Rconsider before your credibility dies, kay?
I would love to hear who desribed them as extremely powerful and when and I'd love to see your proof that they wielded the entire power of the light side.

The...narrarator, maybe?
The comic? SW Insider? Chronology?
I've posted the passages here quite a few times...y;know, they became luminous beings and drew the powers of the light from the entire galaxy to bind Palpatine from the dark side?

hm, there's your argument collapsing.

I have the DE handbook, the endnotes to DE, subscription to Hyperspace (online insider suplements) and the NEC and was wondering where it said it. Not denying that it was stated, just wanted to see it.

DE for one, Insider a while back for another, DE sourcebook too

OK, I just found it.

Btw, Nebaris...know where to get any of the KOTOR comics?

Check the Webstrip thread or demonoid.com. They should be there. However imo, they're not really worth reading.

I still wanna check out Flashpoint...could shed some light on things

edit - number 7 right? I've only actually been able to find up to six. How many have you read?

The next arc. Gets into the Mando wars

It'll probs be a while before it's available for DL. It only came out like 4 days ago I think.

Well how about the first time Luke and Sidious fought in DE in the Clone room. Did Luke wield the "ENTIRE POWER OF THE LIGHT SIDE!" then?

He was letting the force flow through him completely, and was described as a 'titan', 'divinity', and 'twin demigod of the light'

hey I got a great idea. Let's put a virtual unknown into a gauntlet so everybody could make random shit up!

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
hey I got a great idea. Let's put a virtual unknown into a gauntlet so everybody could make random shit up!

Originally posted by darthsith19
What I said was: I think Revan and the Exile should be above DE Sidious. I mean, DE Luke and Leia together managed to defeat Sidious and I think it's fair to say that Revan and the Exile > DE Luke and Leia, since at the time of DE Leia's not even that strong.

You know, you're pissing me off because I have to go back and explain this every time a DE Sidious argument comes up. So this has made it like the fourty-third time.

DE Luke, DE Leia, and Anakin Solo combined their Force connection. Let me reiterate. Force connection. Connection = strength in the Force. So that's three Skywalkers.

Revan's not touching that connection.

I think it's a stalemate at Sidious.

Oh, come on...Nadd was just a pathetic little brat...I doubt he'd GET to DE Sidious

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, come on...Nadd was just a pathetic little brat...I doubt he'd GET to DE Sidious


A pathetic little brat that guided Kun to the dark side, created a cave in on Korriban as a ghost, and force pushed Vodo as a ghost.. Hmmm...

And teh avalanche? Mind you, I'm going on third party information on this, so . . .

He also singlehandedly conquered Onderon.

Well, that's somewhat speculatory. Wasn't it moreso a combination of frightening the natives and looking powerful?

Oooh, guided Kun to the Dark Side! and did what then? Exar was aLREADY drawn to the Dark Side....created a cave in? No, all he did was cause a destruction from the obelisk, which according to the narraration was a simple matter to just alter the energies there...

And great, e force pushed Vodo, wow! This equates to power...how?

Wow, Nadd killed a few wild animals and showed the Onderonians his force powers! That's...all he did to conquer Onderon!

Perhaps perhaps not but it's not like he had apprentices to conquer Onderon? We know Nadd was very powerful, just how powerful is inconclusive.. They need to write a book about him. And lightsnake, he was able to inflict damage as a spirit.

I agree, a book on Nadd would be awesome. One on Adas too.

Name this damage he inflicted as a spirit. His 'hatred' hit Vodo, but Vodo was fine right after...he just gave a little twinge of energy already existing, causing an explosion...he did some fancy magic and killed some animals...that's it

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Name this damage he inflicted as a spirit. His 'hatred' hit Vodo, but Vodo was fine right after...he just gave a little twinge of energy already existing, causing an explosion...he did some fancy magic and killed some animals...that's it

And again you miss the point lightsnake. Nadd lashed out as a SPIRIT and caused damage, period.

Considering he didn't do a speck of lasting damage...

He's a freaking ghost. The fact that he force pushed Vodo as a ghost says he's very powerful.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering he didn't do a speck of lasting damage...

Hmm, I remember Dooku force pushing Kenobi; and Kenobi getting up afterwards? Because he didn't damage Kenobi permanentely, it somehow diminishes the feat?

Or because Kun froze millions of senator's, without permanentely harming them; it somehow diminishes the power of the spell?

Heh, the fact that he was able to do that was fairly impressive.

And again I must point out that he caused that avalanche on Korriban.. As a spirit! So lightsnake, diminishing an ancient doesn't work in this case.

No he didn't. He did something to energies within the obelisk and when disrupted, the thing blew apart and caused a cave in.

So, Nadd did the equivalent of throwing a match onto a trail of gunpowder. Impressive

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No he didn't. He did something to energies within the obelisk and when disrupted, the thing blew apart and caused a cave in.

So, Nadd did the equivalent of throwing a match onto a trail of gunpowder. Impressive

wow lightsnake, your poor attempts to diminish ancient sith characters are laughable. "He did something somewhere and it somehow did something somewhere". Nice one.

Read the comic. Learn something

I did read the comic. Whether or not you want to make excuses to diminish their characters, is irrelevant. Learning to debate properly is what IS relevant lightsnake, so please learn it. And again, Nadd was a GHOST, no matter what he did.

Kun was a ghost and did things far more impressive than Nadd...Qordis was a ghost and did things more impressive than Nadd.

Nadd pinched off some energy. He started a chain reaction. That's it

What did Qordis do? And we know Kun is impressive. My point is so is Nadd, despite your futile attempts to diminish him.

Despite the fact the comic points out all he did was pinch off some energy? Qordis caused a ship to crash

great, so Qordis Nadd and Kun are powerful. What's your point?

Qordis was hardly powerful in comparison. And Nadd's still never done anything truly impressive. He was a little emo, that was it

Nothing impressive youre right. He didn't bring ancient sith magic to Onderon, King Ommin didn't study under him and then curbstomp the Jedi and Master Arca, he didn't train Kun who became uber powerful. You're right, he was a little emo punk.

Oh, wow, he knew ancient Sith magic! Big freaking deal, it was limited to his family.
There's proof Ommin was weaker than Nadd anyways? And you're right, he didn't train Kun. He tricked and led him on. Kun did the real work. And last I checked, training someone doesn't mean you're stronger than them.

Learn a bit about Nadd, then come back

Proof? No? Logical Speculation? Yes. Unless King Ommin>all the Jedi in that specific time. And no, Nadd did train Kun, so stop diminishing characters because you look like a fool everytime you do.

When'd Nadd train Kun? Truly? Kun discovered all of Sadow's things on his own.
And who said anything about Ommin>All Jedi of that time? It's impossible Ommin was stronger than Freedon?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
When'd Nadd train Kun? Truly? Kun discovered all of Sadow's things on his own.
And who said anything about Ommin>All Jedi of that time? It's impossible Ommin was stronger than Freedon?


Yes it's impossible that Ommin was stronger than Nadd. Yes Nadd trained Kun. Kun learned from Sadow, AND Nadd. Accept it.

When/where did he learn from Nadd?

Nadd lead him to Korriban and Yavin 4. However, Nadd didn't directly train Kun at all.

You're right.. Nadd lead him to Korriban, to Yavin 4, and in all this time taught him nothing.

Which was kind of the point. The entire time Nadd was taunting and testing him. Nothing shows him teaching Kun anything

Really? So when Nadd broke him and healed him, and constantly told him to use the dark side of the force, what was that?

1. Nadd didn't heal him. Kun allowing the dark side into himself healed him.
2. It's called 'goading'

Really? Because Nadd doesn't stretch his arms out and Kun gets healed?

He did kind of also give Kun a taste of the dark side and helped turn him.

When'd Nadd 'strech out his arms?'
Nadd tells Kun he needs to accept the dark side to be healed. Kun embracing the dark side heals him.

"I accept"
"Very well then, be healed"

Yes. The dark side did the work. Nadd never stretched out his arms. Kun accepting the Dark Side healed his body. It was Kun's choice the entire time

I agree with Lightsnake.

Nadd had nothing to his name, and again nothing more than speculation on his power.

However nothing suggests that he had any form of amazingly power.

I believe he falls at 4 or 5.

Originally posted by Deception
I agree with Lightsnake.

Nadd had nothing to his name, and again nothing more than speculation on his power.

However nothing suggests that he had any form of amazingly power.

I believe he falls at 4 or 5.

Strange... So you say that nothing suggests that he had any form of amazing power, yet you also say that there's a chance that he will get past DE Sidious?

I guess that was fairly illogical or im just hanging onto older opinions and arguments, have you by any chance read the debates back in Jan to May this year?

Yeah, when DE Sidious wasn't rated too highly right?

I still don't get why people think Freedon Nadd is nothing. While details of his life are sketchy, the guy was able to travel anywhere as a ghost, and was able to inflict harm on human beings. When he talked to Kun he seemed very confident about what it is he was talking about. Maybe it's a personal opinion but I would put Nadd in the top 10 most powerful force users of all time.

I probably would too, however I don't rate him as high as Sidious.

maybe not as high but I would rate him a notch below Kun, and that's just a spirit. Who knows how powerful he was in full body.

He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.

and going anywhere as a ghost isn't special. Nadd was a brat who never finished either of his training and ended life as a petty dictator unable to defeat a rebellion

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.

and going anywhere as a ghost isn't special. Nadd was a brat who never finished either of his training and ended life as a petty dictator unable to defeat a rebellion

He force pushed Vodo...

And Vodo was able to defend himself how? Vodo was hurt whatsoever? They were both connected to Exar? Vodo's ever won a single fight?

Sorry? I didn't really get that.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.

and going anywhere as a ghost isn't special. Nadd was a brat who never finished either of his training and ended life as a petty dictator unable to defeat a rebellion

Yes, he wasn't able to harm humans directly. Oh wait, he force pushed Vodo, what was that? He caused an avalanche on Kun, AND most likely he killed the translator on the sith book of spells in the Freedon Nadd uprising, so despite your lack of logic and apparent dislike for Nadd, there is a strong possibly and quite logical that Nadd was very powerful.

Not to mention it makes no sense for Kun to keep his spirit living when he could have been a force ghost. As a result Nadd could travel anywhere anytime, while Kun was confined to the Massassi temple.

No, he threw his hatred at Vodo...with no lastin damage. Caused an avalanche on Kun? He caused indirect harm...meaning he did not attack Kun. And killed the translator? Man could easily be unconcious.

And Kun was confined to a temple, because, unlike Nadd, he bound his spirit TO the temple. And nope, no proof Nadd was stronger than an average master at all. He didn't complete his training and acted like an emo brat both times.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, he threw his hatred at Vodo...with no lastin damage. Caused an avalanche on Kun? He caused indirect harm...meaning he did not attack Kun. And killed the translator? Man could easily be unconcious.

And Kun was confined to a temple, because, unlike Nadd, he bound his spirit TO the temple. And nope, no proof Nadd was stronger than an average master at all. He didn't complete his training and acted like an emo brat both times.


Hey lets make ridiculous excuses to discredit the ancients! Lets see, you claim he couldn't cause harm to living beings. He force pushed Vodo, that's direct harm no MATTER whether Vodo was hurt, so your irrelevant misdirection doesn't work. And he DID trigger an avalanche, what's your point? He has absolutly NO reason to hurt Kun. And sure lightsnake, the man happened to go translate the book and just pass out. Or more realistically, Nadd either killed him or knocked him out, which disproves your theory of Nadd not being able to cause harm to the living..

He HIMSELF says he's powerless and Vodo is not harmed in the least. And no reason to hurt Kun? Besides getting him to the embrace of the Dark Side? And there's nothing saying what happened to the translator.

Nadd: Fear not, Jedi, I am powerless in my present state!

Nadd's word...or yours?

'No, he threw his hatred at Vodo...with no lastin damage.'

You take the narration to literally. He clearly force pushed Vodo. he didn't literally throw his hatred at him lol.

'He HIMSELF says he's powerless and Vodo is not harmed in the least.'

However he is clearly not powerless, so he was either lying (more likely) or simple wrong.

hy would he lie if he could beat Arca on tnhe spot?
"The power of Nadd's hatred", etc...the narraration or you, mmm...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
hy would he lie if he could beat Arca on tnhe spot?
"The power of Nadd's hatred", etc...the narraration or you, mmm...

Either way, that statement was clearly false (whether he was lying, wrong etc.) because he was clearly not powerless - even causing indirect damage shows that he was nor powerless, let alone directly harming a powerful jedi master.

If he wasn't, he'd have attacked Arca

If he was powerless, it would have been impossible for him to attack Vodo. Why are you arguing this point?

He threw his hatred at him. Pretty much said so in the narraration

NO lightsnake, Nadd had plans for Ulic, Kun, and the Krath, otherwise he'd go attacking every jedi that posed a threat. The fact remains that he force pushed Vodo, triggered an avalanche, and possibly killed the sith translator, so your excuses have no bearing on this.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He HIMSELF says he's powerless and Vodo is not harmed in the least. And no reason to hurt Kun? Besides getting him to the embrace of the Dark Side? And there's nothing saying what happened to the translator.

Nadd: Fear not, Jedi, I am powerless in my present state!

Nadd's word...or yours?

Nadd pulls Kun's saber aaway from him with the force. He clearly wasn't powrless.

common sense meet lightsnake

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.

Oh my...Lightsnake. Nadd caused an avalanche. Read this. Think about it. Then tell me again he was "powerless". He also instahealed Exar Kun using the Dark Side of the force (muhar !), pulled Exar's lightsaber out of Exar's hands and floored Vodo while being on the opposite side of the Galaxy.



Oh please. Nadd as a mere Padawan slaughtered his own master which basically means that he was able to content with Jedi Masters at that point. Than he studied under Sadow and possibly killed him aside of posessing Adas holocron - the "most valueable artifact in terms of Sith knowledge"according to your own words. Then he went to Onderon and pretty much tooled the Beast Riders with his Sith magic. The guy was no pushover in terms of force powers and combat abilities.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh my...Lightsnake. Nadd caused an avalanche. Read this. Think about it. Then tell me again he was "powerless". He also instahealed Exar Kun using the Dark Side of the force (muhar !), pulled Exar's lightsaber out of Exar's hands and floored Vodo while being on the opposite side of the Galaxy.



Oh please. Nadd as a mere Padawan slaughtered his own master which basically means that he was able to content with Jedi Masters at that point. Than he studied under Sadow and possibly killed him aside of posessing Adas holocron - the "most valueable artifact in terms of Sith knowledge"according to your own words. Then he went to Onderon and pretty much tooled the Beast Riders with his Sith magic. The guy was no pushover in terms of force powers and combat abilities.


Indeed.

No, Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, which exploded, which caused the avalanche. In other words: A chain reaction

Slaughtered his master? Read the TOTJ sourcebook. Matta left herself wide open to test him while unarmed and he failed the test. It wasn't a FIGHT at all. He got pissed, she saw it as a training opportuinity and dropped her saber, at which point he failed.
And 'tooled the beast riders' Um, no. Read the series again: Nadd was totally unable to stop the beast riders, hence them being an issue centuries later.

And aren't you the one who said Sadow was old and weakened, Nai?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, which exploded, which caused the avalanche. In other words: A chain reaction

Slaughtered his master? Read the TOTJ sourcebook. Matta left herself wide open to test him while unarmed and he failed the test. It wasn't a FIGHT at all. He got pissed, she saw it as a training opportuinity and dropped her saber, at which point he failed.
And 'tooled the beast riders' Um, no. Read the series again: Nadd was totally unable to stop the beast riders, hence them being an issue centuries later.

And aren't you the one who said Sadow was old and weakened, Nai?


Wow lightsnake, your excuses have hit an alltime high. Lets make an example.

Fact: Nadd caused an Avalanche
Your excuse: Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, caused a chain reaction. Nevermind that the scans were clear.

Fact: Yes, he slaughtered his master out of anger of not becoming a Jedi Master or Knight or whatever, since he failed his test of anger.
Your excuse: oh well she had a death wish so she decided to let Nadd kill her.

And yes, Nadd did tool the beast riders and the beasts with his sith magic, which is why he became absolute ruler of Onderon. So your petty attempts to downplay Nadd don't work.

The scans SAY exactly what Nadd did, you're ignoring the narraration?

Fact: The TOTJ companion says that Nadd's master left herself wide open and Nadd failed his test.

Fact: Beast Riders did not EXIST before Nadd arrived.

Learn a bit more about Nadd, kay? Pick up TOTJ and the TOTJ Companion, because I've practically quoted them.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The scans SAY exactly what Nadd did, you're ignoring the narraration?

Fact: The TOTJ companion says that Nadd's master left herself wide open and Nadd failed his test.

Fact: Beast Riders did not EXIST before Nadd arrived.

Learn a bit more about Nadd, kay? Pick up TOTJ and the TOTJ Companion, because I've practically quoted them.


Beast Riders did not exist before Nadd? That's funny, yet it was in either DLOTS or Freedon Nadd uprising that explains the history of the beast riders, and they were there way before Nadd got there. This is fact. And as I recall since Nadd wasn't promoted to Jedi Knight, he became angry and killed his master.

Dude, the beast riders existed long before Nadd. They were criminals exiled from the city of Onderon, to fight for their lives on the outskirts. Eventually they learned to tame the beasts, this was before Nadd.

No, they didn't. Those exiled by Nadd from Iziz became Beast Riders. And I quote: "Even Nadd's dark powers were unable to defeat them."

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, they didn't. Those exiled by Nadd from Iziz became Beast Riders. And I quote: "Even Nadd's dark powers were unable to defeat them."

And that states that the beast riders were created at that point how? It just states that the exiles became beast riders. Beast Riders existed before Nadd.

And your quote has to do with what? Can you tell me how many beast riders there were? For all you know there was an entire army, and even Nadd isn't powerful enough to defeat an army. And again how is this quote relevant? Nadd was the ABSOLUTE RULER of Onderon. He was killed by god knows how many Jedi that went to Onderon to stop him. It is very clear that Nadd was very powerful, but how powerful compared to the likes of Kun, and Sidious, is unknown. But let me put it this way. If Kun became uber powerful by learning from Sadow's notes and teachings, how much more powerful was Nadd, who learned from Sadow himself?

No, they didn't. Those exiled learned how to tame the beasts and became beast riders and rebelled against Nadd.

Oh, and they were an army, that's kind of the point. And Nad's not powerful enough to defeat an army? When he has an army of his own, along with Dark Side followers? And Jedi went to Onderon to stop him? Prove up, NOW.
And oh, yeah...Nadd killed Sadow? Because Sadow refused to teach him the true secrets...emo brat much?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, they didn't. Those exiled learned how to tame the beasts and became beast riders and rebelled against Nadd.

Oh, and they were an army, that's kind of the point. And Nad's not powerful enough to defeat an army? When he has an army of his own, along with Dark Side followers? And Jedi went to Onderon to stop him? Prove up, NOW.
And oh, yeah...Nadd killed Sadow? Because Sadow refused to teach him the true secrets...emo brat much?

No, it is speculation that Nadd killed Sadow, and it is also speculation about what Sadow taught him and what he didn't. But he learned from a living Sadow.

"Once the Jedi Knights learned of the atrocities taking place on Onderon, they soon dispatched an army to defeat Freedon Nadd."

Gee, an entire Jedi army to defeat Nadd? Yea he must have been an emo brat.. Right.

No, it's confirmed Nadd killed Sadow. And it's confirmed what happened.

Hm, I'd love to see where that quote comes from, because...it was fake, fanon nonsense. The Jedi had no idea of what happened on Onderon.

Hm, gonna show me Wikipedia again?

hmm gonna show me otherwise, any contradictions, or are you going to continue to ramble incoherently about your dislike for Nadd?

Proof time. That quote on wiki's talk page was declared fanon. The Jedi never knew anything about Onderon because
A. No space travel when Nadd got ther
B. The Jedi are shocked to learn about the past when they first arrive

Prove A, prove B... Thanks.. And your ramblings are irrelevant because it is already obvious that Nadd was powerful.

I see we can't back up where a single sentence came from, liar

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I see we can't back up where a single sentence came from, liar

I'm still waiting for your fictional proof about the beast riders coming from Nadd, and Nadd getting killed by beast riders. Nai already explained to you why and how powerful Nadd is, so stop arguing.

Lesse....Knights of the Old Republic comic, Chronology....really, just about anything...yeah, those sources state the Beast Riders were formed after Nadd exiled them from Iziz...ever read the KOTOR comic where Nomi and Ulic forst appear?

I'm afraid Nai was wrong in this case as I've shown. I'm waiting for where the Jedi were sent, liar

Show me your quotes, show me your proof. Oh wait, you don't have any. As for me, I am reading the Freedon Nadd uprising as it was describing the beast riders. Nothing ever states that Nadd was killed by the beast riders, and my source is a wikipedia type sure, but it already shows more than your ridiculous assumption that "nadd was killed by the beast riders"

The NEC? Knights of the Old Republic? "Those exiled by Freedon Nadd learned how to tame the beasts and became the Beast Riders."
A bit rough from memory, but it's in the NEC, paraphrased from the section "The Shadow of Freedon Nadd."

Ohhhh, Wikipedia....which was misproven on the Wikipedia talk page, sorry liar!

And no, nothing states Nadd was killed by Beast Riders, I never said he was.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The NEC? Knights of the Old Republic? "Those exiled by Freedon Nadd learned how to tame the beasts and became the Beast Riders."
A bit rough from memory, but it's in the NEC, paraphrased from the section "The Shadow of Freedon Nadd."

Ohhhh, Wikipedia....which was misproven on the Wikipedia talk page, sorry liar!

And no, nothing states Nadd was killed by Beast Riders, I never said he was.

Misproven, where? Oh wait, lets make some MORE shit up!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Freedon_Nadd#Nadd.27s_Death

And it's later removed...coincidence?

Wow lightsnake, your grasp for logic, or lack thereof, is astounding. I have at least one source(whether canon or not) to possibly logically deduce facts from, while you have none.

Since I clearly cannot understand what either of you two are exactly arguing, I'll ask.

What exactly are you arguing about?

I don't recall, I stated that I don't understand why people claim Nadd wasn't powerful, when I think he was and there are a lot of facts that point to the same. Nai also gave examples as to how he was powerful even as a spirit. Lightsnake simply tried to refute that with nonsense.

The New Essential Chronology does says this exactly "One of the policies Nadd instituted was to banish criminals outside the walls of Iziz, where they would be devoured by the voracious predators. However, some of these exiles managed to band together and survive, even learning how to capture the beasts and domestitacte them."

Then it continues about how they further advanced, and all that. Now, from the actual source material (Tales of the Jedi):

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7099/izizhistory23eeb1.th.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8430/izizhistory2vn6.th.jpg

That was Arca describing the basic history, and although he doesn't mention Nadd (he never says anything about him until the end of the comic anyways), he describes the history perfectly in conjunction with the NEC. Which would lead one to believe that the Beast Riders didn't come into existance until "one of Nadd's policies", therefore Nadd was there before them.

And Lightsnake, Nadd can affect the living:

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He floored Vodo across an entire room, yes it said his "hatred lashed out at him", but how can that be if he is powerless?

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He instakilled King Ommin, granted he was weak, but nonetheless effected him. He was able to pull Exar Kun's lightsaber away, too.

Ok gotcha, didn't know that part, as for Nadd being powerful, it is obvious. The only thing that isn't, is just how powerful he was.

There's nothing claiming Nadd was in a high tier whatsoever. Nothing except but some ghosty feats.

And it'll take more beyond 'easily triggering energy', killing dying old men and yanking away sabers to prove Nadd's so-called power.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
There's nothing claiming Nadd was in a high tier whatsoever. Nothing except but some ghosty feats.

And it'll take more beyond 'easily triggering energy', killing dying old men and yanking away sabers to prove Nadd's so-called power.


blah blah blah more excuses. Good thing Fact>Your opinion. Sama explained it, Nai explained it, I explained it. If you don't want to listen, your problem.

No, Nai tried arguing...you lied your ass off and failed to prove a thing.

Nadd's training was totally incomplete in both cases. Fact

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, Nai tried arguing...you lied your ass off and failed to prove a thing.

Nadd's training was totally incomplete in both cases. Fact


No, Nai was correct, Sama was correct and I(even though I proved a quote from a non canon source so you can try learning to logially deduce arguments), also was correct. You on the other hand, are wrong yet again.

Really? So Freedon Nadd killed his master in combat?

You were correct even though you provided a quote from something totally falsified? You're a lying fool. Nadd killed his master because he wasn't allowed to be a Jedi and ran away...Nadd killed Sadow because Sadow wouldn't teach him true Sith secrets and this after he got Adas's holocron, when the gatekeeper can deny requests or even threaten the user.

Yelling the loudest means nothing. YOu failed to counter a thing, you lied, used false sources and have failed to show anything.

You lose.

**** off, troll

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Really? So Exar Kun killed his master in combat?

You were correct even though you provided a quote from something totally falsified? You're a lying fool. Nadd killed his master because he wasn't allowed to be a Jedi and ran away...Nadd killed Sadow because Sadow wouldn't teach him true Sith secrets and this after he got Adas's holocron, when the gatekeeper can deny requests or even threaten the user.

Yelling the loudest means nothing. YOu failed to counter a thing, you lied, used false sources and have failed to show anything.

You lose.

**** off, troll

Uh what? Kun did what? Oh wait, you have no argument. And no, the quote wasn't falsified, it probably isn't canon but by no means does that make it false. The only fool on this forum is you arguing with facts and playing stupid as usual. I have given proof, Sama has, so has Nai. And what does the incompetent lightsnake do? Sit on the forum and lies to himself. Oh yes, I forgot, anytime you're heated like an immature little shit, you start calling me a troll and acting in denial. Your attempts at debating are humorous. Moron. You lose yet again.

Freedon Nadd

Hah, what? "It's not canon and was never written but that doesn't make it not true!"

Perhaps you're confused: That quote doesn't exist. It's not canon, meaning it's 100 percent invalid. It was a made up quote with no source or backing, sorry!

Sorry, troll! Go away.

seriously you expect that calling someone 'troll' and names of the sort would only make him/her go "Oh yes sorry I'm a troll, sorry for bothering you I must leave now"? no2

Courtesy
Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ... without insult and personal attack.

I'm sorry, I've tried doing that.

I doubt you can find a single post of his that's not full of insults, even when I've tried being civil. He is a troll, plain and simple

This is what lightsnake does when he gets embarassed and can't face facts. He starts using terminology he himself doesn't understand. Also I can find you at least 100 posts that I am not insulting anybody as can the rest of the people on here. Lightsnake has never tried being civil, and talking to him doesn't work because he's always delusional, so I don't take him seriously and just laugh when he posts angrily. His last recourse is calling someone a troll which is even funnier.

Case in point

give it up lightsnake, you are delusional.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, which exploded, which caused the avalanche. In other words: A chain reaction

Let me rephrase this. In the blink of an eye Nadd spotted some weak point in the enviroment and then used the force to move the right stone away a little bit to cause an avalanche ? Or did he have to move some heavy boulder away to cause that effect ?

Nice how you ignored that he floored Vodo (explanation ?) instantly healed "Exar Kun's broken bones" using the force (explanation ?) and managed to pull Kun's lightsaber from the hands of the later Sith lord. This all in his - self admitted - "powerless" spirit form.



Oh my..."I am a Jedi! It doesn't matter what you say. I don't need your permission."
I'm totally sure that Matta was stupid enough to consider the following duel a "practice fight". Yes, she left herself open at one point to test Nadd. But aside of this act of blatant stupidity Nadd was obviously able to keep up with her duelling ablities at this point.



Haha. I suggest you go and read the series again. Nadd died in 4,350 BBY and so he ruled Onderon for 50 years. If the exile of the Beast Riders was due to one of the rules he established he had quite enough time to fight against them during his lifetime.



Yes...I'm totally sure that I said that somebody who spent 600 years in suspended animation was somehow "weakened". No. In fact I didn't. I thought that if Nadd exterminated Sadow's spirit (which wasn't the case since Sadow as it seems was still alive) that said spirit would have been weaker than Sadow.

By the way: Nice how you ignored the fact that Nadd possessed Adas holocron which you wanted to hand us as the ultimate source of Sith knowledge and can still be weak. He killed a DLotS - and still is weak. He left teachings behind powerful enough to enable the crippled Ommin to floor Nomi Sunrider and her friends without effort and keep Arca Jeth as a prisoner. Somehow he still is weak.

Slowly your "let's downplay all Sith except Sidious" attitude gets annoying.

Thank you

He 'released the energies there' with little effort, and that's quopting the comic. Considering he's apparently been to Korriban before and that he's a force sensitive, this isn't difficult, since he just 'released energies' which, when the thing exploded caused a cave in. Nor did he heal Exar, Exar accepting the dark side healed himself. And yanking a saber back is a crazy feat? He shoved Vodo once, Vodo was completely uninjured.

He and Matta were hardly dueling. He assaulted her and she left herself open. Was she an idiot for this? Maybe. However, Nadd wasn't 'contending' with her and she left herself open. In other words, she let him kill her.

He ruled Onderon for fifty years, I know. Meaning sometime in that interim, the Beast Lords were formed and waged their war and Nadd was unable to beat them. If he had decades to accomplish that, then, well

Oh, and last I checked, he got Adas's holocron BEFORE he met Sadow and Adas's holocron can easily ignore requests from people it deems unworthy. And 'left teachings behind?' Gee, if Arca was READY for Ommin, how well do you think that would've turned out? Arca chased off Nadd twice. And considering Sadow's death is an unknown considering he refused to teach Nadd the true Sith secrets which got him killed...It couldn't possibly be due to Ommin's actual talent and luck of catching Arca off guard?

Oh, and maybe if Kevin J. anderon could make a single good character and write semi-competently, there wouldn't need be bashing of the atrocities he calls characters. notice I'm not bashing Bane. Or Ruin, or the Underlord, or Rivan, or Kaox Krul, or even Kaan. Not even Lumiya, or Adas or Marka. I hardly have to downplay most of them, the stuff they're in does it well enough themselves

Actually no lightsnake, if anything the comics place the ancients on a higher plateau than you would like to accept or allow, which is why you downplay all the ancients.

The comics have their invasion force losing on three planets.

Where's this plateau now?

The comics having them blowing up stars and anything in their path. And you have exactly proven my point about your apparent dislike for the ancients and your lack of debating abilities. Thank you lightsnake.

Due to ships? Thanks

Wow lightsnake you keep proving my point more and more.. And they knew techniques to blow up stars. Nobody else did, so your point is nonexistent.. As usual.