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Setting is once again in the battle bar. The first one, mind you.


No force attacks allowed, straight up saber duel.

I'm guessing you mean like no throwing stuff around with the Force.

Dooku could take on either one, one on one with the lightsaber. But together, Dooku is going down, but he'll put up a tough little fight.

No force at all. Offensive or Defensive, TK, w/e.

Like no jumps, or Dooku using the Force to overcome his old age?

lol.

Force Push/Pull, Lightning, crush ect?

None.

I Double posted, whatchu g0n d0?

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Dooku looks like hes on crack.

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Originally posted by Blaxican Hydra
lol.

Force Push/Pull, Lightning, crush ect?

None.

Well, if Dooku can't use the Force to overcome age, then Maul and Assaj have the fight pretty much worked out for them

Maul and Asajj.

Maul and Asajj.

If Dooku is allowed to use the force to overcome his age I can see him winning. He is leagues above them both in terms of duelling ability. If he cant use the force to overcome his age I doubt he will win. He isnt strong or fast enough to keep up with 4 blades at his age.

Dooku goes down. Maul alone is close to Dooku in terms of saber skills and Asajj isn't far behind him, either. Both are physically stronger and more fit than he is, there's no way he could take them, even with the Force I doubt it, though it'd be close then.


*cough* Fanboy *cough*

Originally posted by darthsith19
Dooku goes down. Maul alone is close to Dooku in terms of saber skills and Asajj isn't far behind him, either.

I highly doubt it.



Without the force then yes, Dooku wont be able to cope with them both at once. But with the force I can see him taking it with relative ease. He took on both Obi-Wan and Anakin and managed to keep up with them both. Plus A+O are a stronger duo than A+M. So with the force Dooku can just seperate them and kill them one by one.




This coming from a person with a Darth Maul sig and avatar...

Dooku could beat them both in a single fight, but if he were double teamed he would lose.

Darth Maul has a double blade and Asajj Ventress has two lightsabers. Dooku would have to defend four different blades at once.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
If Dooku is allowed to use the force to overcome his age I can see him winning. He is leagues above them both in terms of duelling ability. If he cant use the force to overcome his age I doubt he will win. He isnt strong or fast enough to keep up with 4 blades at his age. Rampant, this fight is NO FORCE USAGE at all. Which, crudely speaking, means Dooku is beaten by his own age and the youthful vitality of Ventress and Maul.

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
Rampant, this fight is NO FORCE USAGE at all. Which, crudely speaking, means Dooku is beaten by his own age and the youthful vitality of Ventress and Maul.

Thats why I said that without the force I dont see him winning.

Originally posted by Myers Man
Dooku could beat them both in a single fight, but if he were double teamed he would lose.

Darth Maul has a double blade and Asajj Ventress has two lightsabers. Dooku would have to defend four different blades at once.

Which he has proven to be capable of doing when he wtf pwns General Greivous.

Jesus christ you people are too technical.

Dooku CAN use the force to fight as well as he did when fighting Anakin on the invisable hand. By no force I meant no force pushes, lightning, w/e.

Ok well I think Dooku stands at least a chance...

Last time he fought Ventress he toyed her like crazy. She grew in power alot since then though. Grievous defeated Assaj and Durge at the same time, and Dooku was better than Grievous, and that was when he was trying to lecture him and mostly defended. Not going with A>B>C=A>C, but I think it's pretty obvious he is superior to her.

Maul is good, very cocky though. I'd put him and Assaj on close levels in swordsmanship. These two take up alot of room with their fighting styles and their weapon of choice. I don't belive they would make a good team AT ALL! If Dooku is able to keep up with Anakin and Obi-Wan (which both on their own is better than Maul and Assaj, and as a team they were known as THE jedi duo) I'm sure he would be able to at least keep up with Maul and Assaj....

Really? Nick Gillard says Dooku's a level 8 with a lightsaber. Now, Kenobi, when using the Dark Side of the zForce in TPM, was a level 7 and Maul managed to overcome him so Maul's at least a level 7, possibly a level 8, so eitehr way he's close to Dooku. And the TPM visual dictionary states that Maul's saber skills > Sidious's saber skills, and he's a level 9 while in some comic Maul nearly bested Sidious in a lightsaber duel, so he's definately close to Dooku as a minimum. As for Obsession Asajj, she bested Obsession Obi-Wan, who was either a 7 or an 8 in saber combat so she's likely an 8, so not muc, if any, behind Dooku.

And why did he best Kenobi? Because Kenobi was going offensive, which he sucks at, and therfor Dooku easily defeated him with the Force. Then Anakin attacked him with such fury and rage that Dooku had no chance to use the Force. So even in a battle where Dooku got to use the Force he'd have to find a chance to use it without getting his head chopped off while trying and if he did take out Asajj and Maul attacked him like Anakin did I could see Maul maybe defeating him.

Hey pal, I'm not a Maul fanboy, I was one of the few who thought he'd lose to Ki-Adi and Aayla. But ask anyone here and they'll tell you that you're a Dooku fanboy.

In the Clone Wars cartoon wasn't Grievous using only 2 blades? And Dooku didn't wtf pwn him, we have no idea how long they'd been sparring before Grievous got disarmed.

Yeah, remember, that time she lost to Anakin only just 4 months after AOTC but by Obsession she is capable of beating Obi-Wan in a fight and that's 31 months after AOTC (just 5 before ROTS).

I agree, but by Obsession I don't think she's to far behind Grievous, and in LOE Dooku admits that Grievous is a challenge for him to beat. btw, when was it that Grievous beat both Asajj and Durge 2 on 1?

But without the Force? Surely they could alternate, each atatcking him for 40 second shifts and then swicth until he got tired out, which he would very quickly. In one of the ROTS scripts that Sorgo showed to me once it said that during the duel on the Invisible Hand in ROTS that Dooku and Kenobi were getting tired and Skywalker wasn't, and this is only after less than 2 minutes of fighting.

Well I must say that Nick Gillard hasn't got authority for anything when he is talking about their power level, he is not a source at all, it is his opinion. And the fight on the Invisible hand was going to be very long, they just cut out most of the part. In the novelisation it is much longer...


I would say it is hard for Dooku to win, cause both these are very good swordsmen and there is no force powers allowed. Dooku could win if he outmatches them, and places them in bad positions together, which would force them to have to cooperate, which means they probably couldn't go all out and that shit.

Dooku being attacked by double bladed lightsabers on each side of him? Dooku's gonna die.

And what EU authors say is there opinion, too. Gillard has at least as much authority for talking about the character's lightsaber skills as any EU author does since he is in charge of training them, why wouldn't his word have any credibility?

In the novelisation Kit gets hit head cut off...

Since when has age mattered in the SW universe. Dooku was 83 years old when he was defeated by Anakin. And he barely used the Force in that duel. The only time he did so was when he threw Obi-Wan away.

Yoda's like 860 years old when he fights Sidious, and he rocks.


Anyway, Dooku loses nevertheless.

Old age had nothing to do with the fight? As I seem to recall, Dooku and Yoda and the rest of the oldies used the force to be able to overcome the limitations of age. However, you're agreeing with me, so good for you

I would say that Maul and Assaj would never be able to meld their forms properly. They never trained or fought together. While they are attacking Dooku, they have the risk of hitting each other.

Dooku would not be at much of a disadvantage because of this. We know that he is stronger than Maul and a couple of leagues above Assaj. He uses a lightsaber form excellent against other lightsaber users.

He is obviously talented at deflecting multiple lightsabers (the battle with him against Anakin and Obi Wan, he seemed to be wtfpwning the duo.)

Maul: A good duelist, but his style would not meld well with Assaj's.

Assaj: Trained with and toyed by Dooku (she was mentioned as his protege)

What I see happening is Dooku easily removing his student, whom he understands quite well (Assaj). Due to difficulty in melding their styles together, Maul would not be much help in overwhelming Dooku.

Afterwards, the battle goes down to Maul and Dooku, whom Dooku easily beats (or he suffers a stroke and dies )

They won't need to meld well to beat Dooku. They'll overwhelm him.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
They won't need to meld well to beat Dooku. They'll overwhelm him.

How? They would risk hurting each other.

Dooku could direct each of their strikes against the other, he has done this before against Anakin and Obi Wan, both of which were talented duelists.

Neither Maul nor Assaj have the benefit of Shien to overcome Dooku's style either.

You think Makashi will work well against 4 blades? Two double bladed lightsabers on each side of him? Maybe if the contenders weren't that great, or were average, but, Maul and Asajj are too much.

I agree how Assaj and Maul's styles will conflict. Maul's double sided lightsaber will take up quite a bit of room.

Even though Maul does use a double-bladed Juyo form, he still has to use the two-bladed Jar'Kai, which Ventress uses. So even though they won't be coordinated, their Jar'Kai abilities will work together, enough to defeat the Count.

Very true


I'm just spewing out comments! shock

Asajj and Maul would both use double bladed lightsabers, on either side of Dooku, and not need to coordinate their attacks as well. Dooku could defend against one but not both sides at once.

Originally posted by darthsith19
And what EU authors say is there opinion, too. Gillard has at least as much authority for talking about the character's lightsaber skills as any EU author does since he is in charge of training them, why wouldn't his word have any credibility?

In the novelisation Kit gets hit head cut off...


He hasn't even authority to say that. He is not even a source, he just states his opinion. He says that Anakin by ROTS is more powerful than anyone in the galaxy...



Uh...are you saying the novelisation is uncanny? Cause it's not...

He has say when it comes to the Jedi and Sith's saber skills, since that's the area he deals with. If he says that Anakin is the strongest person in the galaxy in terms of saber skills than that's accurate, but he doesn't have any authority to just say Anakin's overall the strongest persion end of discussion.