Darth Revan VS Desann
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Master_Starbuck
On miday on Ruusan, a rocky barren desert world, Darth Revan slowly makes his way up to the stairway leading up into an ancient Jedi Temple.
Through the Force, he picks up a sensation and turns around. Desann is there, lightsaber blazing in hand. The two say no words, they prepare to do battle.
This battle is with the Force and lightsabers.
Who will win?
Darth Sexiest
Yay, Sexy isen't a total moron!
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Darth Sexiest
Ahem. I mean, yes, very good my apprentice. *Pats Sexy on the head*
Darth Sexiest
Yes, I say Revan as well.
Darth Sexy
wow, I think I called you getting banned right on the money.
Darth Sexiest
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
wow, I think I called you getting banned right on the money.
Unless you want to be disciplined, apprentice, I suggest you show respect. sly
((The_Anomaly))
Well...Desann's a wannabe Sith, who got owned by Kyle when he was still getting his Jedi powers back, where Revan is prolly in the top 20-30 of all time most powerful force users. Revan pwns.
kamikz
Didn't we say DE Luke would be a good match for both Yoda and Revan at the same time? Desann did put alot of fear through Luke after that, and even survived in a battle against him. That's got to give him some credit...
Darth Kreiger
Originally posted by kamikz
Didn't we say DE Luke would be a good match for both Yoda and Revan at the same time? Desann did put alot of fear through Luke after that, and even survived in a battle against him. That's got to give him some credit...
I'm pretty sure DE Luke was after Desann's conquest where he managed to actually wound Luke
Revan pronably wins though, Desann isn't a match for a full Sith as powerful as him
Tangible God
DE Luke was actually BEFORE Desann, but nothing in Jedi Outcast backs up the statement that Desann would win over Luke.
kamikz
Yes, actually it does, but no one has said anything about that. And haven't anyone of you read the description of someone who captures the power of the valley of the jedi? If this is VOTJ Desann of course.
Akira99
I really hate Desaan. How did a nine foot ugly aggressive lizard get into Luke's academy. Luke is just too accepting. I mean he struck down a fellow pupil because he though he was too weak to be a jedi!
kamikz
Actually it was a master I belive...
Jen'ari
I never actually got who was the stronger out of Desann and Jerec, but anyways with the power of the valley they're both pretty badass. This is actually probably pretty close.
Spearhead
Revan kills Malak while Malak has the SF supporting him.
Desann is killed by a recovering Jedi who was never properly trained.
Nuff said.
ESB Vader
is JA luke higher than DE luke in terms of experience and power? JA luke is 4 years after DE luke ya know
((The_Anomaly))
Originally posted by Spearhead
Revan kills Malak while Malak has the SF supporting him.
Desann is killed by a recovering Jedi who was never properly trained.
Nuff said.
Exactly
Darth Kreiger
Wait, did DE Luke have his Insta-Kill Lightning?
exanda kane
I think it's obvious here that the game shows Luke's abilities misconceptively. Of course, Luke would beat Desaan, but for the purpose of the narrative, it's shown as a close fight eventually ending with a stalemate.
Quinlan_Vos
Desaan loses. BTW, Darth Sexist, are you like a friend of Darth Sexy???
exanda kane
Looks the opposite to me...
Darth Kreiger
Well without Luke's stupid God Powers, he's just like a Mace Windu/Yoda. Desann managed to stalemate Luke, after injuring him, and the only reason he left was because his ship was leaving
Tangible God
Originally posted by kamikz
Actually it was a master I belive... Student actually.
kamikz
Ok, you sure? I thought it was the master that trained him, then he struck him down. I remember it wrong I guess... :/
Darth Sexiest
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Desaan loses. BTW, Darth Sexist, are you like a friend of Darth Sexy???
You could say that, perhaps.
Actually, I am his teacher. I found him long ago on a lonely and isolated thread and took him under my wing to train him as a Sith.furious
In the time since, he has steadily become more independent. A trait he has exhibited since his younger years.
Do not mind his bickering though, he stifles under the yoke of my authority.
starwars
The last time a duel took place between us, he ended up on crutches for a week. Couldn't talk either... crutch
Quinlan_Vos
Uh huh....yeah.....surrrreee
Darth Sexiest
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Uh huh....yeah.....surrrreee

lol.
Darth Sexy
It's some moron that got banned, I don't know the kid.
ESB -1138
?? Okay ??
Any who; Desann had Luke scared.
"If you run into Desann don't try to face him alone." That wasn't just a warning to Kyle. Then we go forward after Luke vs. Desann Kyle asked why Luke fought Desann.
"I didn't have a choice. I didn't even sense him come up." it seems that Desann was pretty powerful to avoid being sensed by Luke. Not to mention that before the Valley Desann flicked his wrist and brought down a corridor when showing off his powers to Kyle.
Oh and Kyle is not some weakling. His force powers were increased by the Valley. It was very obvious to Luke. And just because one is a dark Jedi doesn't make them lesser then the Sith. Dark Jedi have their own beliefs and rules.
Quinlan_Vos
I bet Darth Sexy and Darth Sexist are the same person or good friends.
Tangible God
Originally posted by ESB -1138
?? Okay ??
Any who; Desann had Luke scared.
"If you run into Desann don't try to face him alone." That wasn't just a warning to Kyle. Then we go forward after Luke vs. Desann Kyle asked why Luke fought Desann.
"I didn't have a choice. I didn't even sense him come up." it seems that Desann was pretty powerful to avoid being sensed by Luke. Not to mention that before the Valley Desann flicked his wrist and brought down a corridor when showing off his powers to Kyle.
Oh and Kyle is not some weakling. His force powers were increased by the Valley. It was very obvious to Luke. And just because one is a dark Jedi doesn't make them lesser then the Sith. Dark Jedi have their own beliefs and rules. This doesn't prove that Desann would win. Game mechanics aside, who's to say Revan couldn't bring down a pillar like that?
Luke being wary of Desann as always bothered me. It seems to screw up his own abilities. This is Luke AFTER DE, and yet, even as a master he's still afraid of a fallen student.
And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if Kyle beat Desann, and Luke is better than Kyle...
Darth Sexy
oh great, now i'm apparently darth sexiest.. Idiots.
kamikz
Originally posted by Tangible God
This doesn't prove that Desann would win. Game mechanics aside, who's to say Revan couldn't bring down a pillar like that?
Luke being wary of Desann as always bothered me. It seems to screw up his own abilities. This is Luke AFTER DE, and yet, even as a master he's still afraid of a fallen student.
And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if Kyle beat Desann, and Luke is better than Kyle...
Yes, but we could argue like that with every single feat in Star Wars if we wanted to. No one says that Revan can't do it, however, it is a good feat for a "weak, fallen student".
Well this doesn't matter, everyone seems stuck on the opinion that Desann is a weak ****, so it's totally impossible for Luke to be scared for him.... What if... what if Desann actually was powerful enough for Luke to fear....
Kyle cut down a pillar to crush him while they were fighting. You can clearly see the fallen pillar in the video in the end cut-scene, where there before actually was a whole pillar. I'm pretty sure of this. It doesn't have to mean Kyle>Luke. From what we know, Desann could have had him at his mercy, but Kyle used the force to trip the pillar at him....
Besides, Kyle was not weak at all. He was able to take out Jerec, who by the time he had the power of the Valley, was stronger than Darth Vader was. (He was close to him before). Desann states that Kyle is actually stronger in JO than he was before....
Darth Sexiest
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It's some moron that got banned, I don't know the kid.
Heh, Don't get it backwards my student, you are the child, which is why I own you.
And its the other guy who was banned. Im just a Dark Lord thats wasting his time on a Forum. lol.
And you'd be a Dark Lord too if you diden't have such a smart mouth with me! boxedwhip
zephiel7
Originally posted by Darth Sexiest
Heh, Don't get it backwards my student, you are the child, which is why I own you.
And its the other guy who was banned. Im just a Dark Lord thats wasting his time on a Forum. lol.
And you'd be a Dark Lord too if you diden't have such a smart mouth with me! boxedwhip
Tdtd... either you are crazy, or this person lives to torment you...
Tangible God
Originally posted by kamikz
1.) Yes, but we could argue like that with every single feat in Star Wars if we wanted to. No one says that Revan can't do it, however, it is a good feat for a "weak, fallen student".
2.) Well this doesn't matter, everyone seems stuck on the opinion that Desann is a weak ****, so it's totally impossible for Luke to be scared for him.... What if... what if Desann actually was powerful enough for Luke to fear....
3.) Kyle cut down a pillar to crush him while they were fighting. You can clearly see the fallen pillar in the video in the end cut-scene, where there before actually was a whole pillar. I'm pretty sure of this. It doesn't have to mean Kyle>Luke. From what we know, Desann could have had him at his mercy, but Kyle used the force to trip the pillar at him....
Besides, Kyle was not weak at all. He was able to take out Jerec, who by the time he had the power of the Valley, was stronger than Darth Vader was. (He was close to him before). Desann states that Kyle is actually stronger in JO than he was before.... 1.) I'd trust Revan to be the better "fallen student" in this case. A man with a lifetime of training, plenty of experience in combat, fighting numerous other Jedi and the like, Sith powers and teachings to go along with it. That compared to a guy who had like, maybe a year of training, likely less, plus a short stint as a Dark Jedi. I'd trust the guy with the more experience in this scenario.
2.) Supposition. Like I said I don't like how they made Luke so wussyish in that game. For somone who's done what he's done, he shouldn't be so cautious of a fallen student. This a Jedi Master who seen and faced the likes of DE Palps and such and such, I see Luke's wariness of Desann only as a necessity to keep the game in motion.
3.) Actually when you enter that chamber, their is already a fallen pillar, it didn't crush Desann. For canonical purposes I didn't like that fight either. Desann's death was to vague and Kyle could have temporary God-mode. It's not stated how Desann died, but if it's by a pillar, then that tends to show that Kyle wasn't up to the task.
Even if Kyle could defeat a Jerec with more power than Vader, I have yet to see an argument in this place which proves that Vader could best Revan.
Argument aside, I dislike comparing game characters who have 4000 years between them, it makes this very opinion based. That being said I'd sooner take Revan or even Malak as a bodyguard than Desann. He just doesn't have the proper prequisites I'm afraid.
kamikz
1. Agreed, Revan was undoubtedly a better fallen jedi than Desann.
2. The describtion of the Valley of the jedi, is that the one who wields it's power is going to have the power unseen EVER BEFORE in the galaxy, to erradicate stars in a whisper, that sort of thing.
Now, Desann didn't have that capability, at least he wasn't skilled enough to use it. But we saw him pushing Luke, who could resist being pushed by someone who had, what was it, 200 planets of force users strenght (I don't remember this quote exactly but....) combined into one, and yet we saw Desann doing it like nothing. Also, keeping up with Luke Skywalker, who could move so fast he was barley seen and strike so that his sabers looked like more than one, is pretty good.
3. Actually, if you look closley, the two pillars that are on the far side of the room are already crushed, but the one close to you, is not. I belive they put those in to show, that Kyle really wasn't a match enough to kill Desann with this amount of traning, I mean, first invinsibility, then pillars to crush him with. If they just wanted a hard battle, shouldn't they just have given us a hard battle? Cause to win this battle is almost impossible if you play on challenging levels..... The fact that the game doesn't show his body when he's dead should prove this more...
Tangible God
Originally posted by kamikz
1. Agreed, Revan was undoubtedly a better fallen jedi than Desann.
2. The describtion of the Valley of the jedi, is that the one who wields it's power is going to have the power unseen EVER BEFORE in the galaxy, to erradicate stars in a whisper, that sort of thing.
Now, Desann didn't have that capability, at least he wasn't skilled enough to use it. But we saw him pushing Luke, who could resist being pushed by someone who had, what was it, 200 planets of force users strenght (I don't remember this quote exactly but....) combined into one, and yet we saw Desann doing it like nothing. Also, keeping up with Luke Skywalker, who could move so fast he was barley seen and strike so that his sabers looked like more than one, is pretty good.
3. Actually, if you look closley, the two pillars that are on the far side of the room are already crushed, but the one close to you, is not. I belive they put those in to show, that Kyle really wasn't a match enough to kill Desann with this amount of traning, I mean, first invinsibility, then pillars to crush him with. If they just wanted a hard battle, shouldn't they just have given us a hard battle? Cause to win this battle is almost impossible if you play on challenging levels..... The fact that the game doesn't show his body when he's dead should prove this more... 2.) Between JO and NJO I'm not too familiar with the EU, but Luke's adversaries tend to get stronger in some way simply so the writers have a challenge for him. If Luke's the demi-god at JO then he must BE God by the time of NJO. This ain't the case since even Luke wasn't divine enough to take on the Vong, Force or no. The Valley is another way of making it seem like those who touch are the new saviours and villains of the galaxy the likes of which has never been seen before. Yet I seriously doubt Desann could compete with the likes of Ragnos, Sadow, Nadd or even Kun. And one shove doesn't automatically mean Desann is gonna wtfpwn Luke, it doesn't even mean he'll win. The movies have shown us that well enough.
3.) When Kyle first enters the room, the pillar that is below him and to the right is already knocked over. And the cutscene at the end varies: if you knocked over the pillar behind Kyle, the cutscene shows it, if he didn't it doesn't show. Since the invincibility is actually in the game, we must of course take it as real. Or not. How Kyle kills Desann is enitrely up to the player. And exactly, the battle IS virtually impossible to win. Not becasue Desann is uber, but becasue it makes for a VERY difficult battle.
Kaos sebaceous
isnt desann a video game character?
zephiel7
Originally posted by Darth Sexiest
You could say that, perhaps.
Actually, I am his teacher. I found him long ago on a lonely and isolated thread and took him under my wing to train him as a Sith.furious
In the time since, he has steadily become more independent. A trait he has exhibited since his younger years.
Do not mind his bickering though, he stifles under the yoke of my authority.
starwars
The last time a duel took place between us, he ended up on crutches for a week. Couldn't talk either... crutch
....
*coughs*
kamikz
Originally posted by Tangible God
2.) Between JO and NJO I'm not too familiar with the EU, but Luke's adversaries tend to get stronger in some way simply so the writers have a challenge for him. If Luke's the demi-god at JO then he must BE God by the time of NJO. This ain't the case since even Luke wasn't divine enough to take on the Vong, Force or no. The Valley is another way of making it seem like those who touch are the new saviours and villains of the galaxy the likes of which has never been seen before. Yet I seriously doubt Desann could compete with the likes of Ragnos, Sadow, Nadd or even Kun. And one shove doesn't automatically mean Desann is gonna wtfpwn Luke, it doesn't even mean he'll win. The movies have shown us that well enough.
3.) When Kyle first enters the room, the pillar that is below him and to the right is already knocked over. And the cutscene at the end varies: if you knocked over the pillar behind Kyle, the cutscene shows it, if he didn't it doesn't show. Since the invincibility is actually in the game, we must of course take it as real. Or not. How Kyle kills Desann is enitrely up to the player. And exactly, the battle IS virtually impossible to win. Not becasue Desann is uber, but becasue it makes for a VERY difficult battle.
2. As I have said before, I think Luke is better than Desann even at this point, but Desann's raw power thanks to the Valley was damn strong as well, and his swordsmanship was enough to hold off Luke for a long time. His precense in the force was to strong to be sensed by even Luke. Desann might not have the uberest of abilities but the powers that he does have are indeed very strong. He could push Luke to the other side of the room with pretty much ease, and even crush the roof above him and buery him for a while, not many would succeed in that.
I think he would lose to the likes of Ragnos and DE Sidious because lack of experience and deadly techniques, however the power that he got from the Valley plus his own is in the top no doubt.....
3. Well then you can't jump into the conclusion that because Desann managed to kind off stalemate Luke in a fight, Kyle>Luke. And that pillar is to the left, that's the one I'm talking about.
And how can you be sure it's just to have a difficult fight? Isen't that the whole deal? That Desann was very strong, so Kyle would need to think off other ways to win? That is what I belive anyway, guess there is no way to know. (Though the game makes it pretty clear that he didn't kill him in a fair duel, like not showing the body, having SEVERAL alternatives to kill him, no other boss has that.Of course, there is also the possibility that they wanted a unique last experience, and wanted Desann's body to look kind of like how you actually killed him.)
I also just thought of something.... Desann could make 3 illusions of himself easily, and crush a whole room when laughing. (Final level). Those powers are impressive, considering the first time Luke tried to make illusions he drained himself totally and was in a very fatally exhausted phase. (Though no doubt that Luke's illusion was more impressive, though this was in the NJO).
Tangible God
Originally posted by kamikz
2. As I have said before, I think Luke is better than Desann even at this point, but Desann's raw power thanks to the Valley was damn strong as well, and his swordsmanship was enough to hold off Luke for a long time. His precense in the force was to strong to be sensed by even Luke. Desann might not have the uberest of abilities but the powers that he does have are indeed very strong. He could push Luke to the other side of the room with pretty much ease, and even crush the roof above him and buery him for a while, not many would succeed in that.
I think he would lose to the likes of Ragnos and DE Sidious because lack of experience and deadly techniques, however the power that he got from the Valley plus his own is in the top no doubt.....
3. Well then you can't jump into the conclusion that because Desann managed to kind off stalemate Luke in a fight, Kyle>Luke. And that pillar is to the left, that's the one I'm talking about.
And how can you be sure it's just to have a difficult fight? Isen't that the whole deal? That Desann was very strong, so Kyle would need to think off other ways to win? That is what I belive anyway, guess there is no way to know. (Though the game makes it pretty clear that he didn't kill him in a fair duel, like not showing the body, having SEVERAL alternatives to kill him, no other boss has that.Of course, there is also the possibility that they wanted a unique last experience, and wanted Desann's body to look kind of like how you actually killed him.)
I also just thought of something.... Desann could make 3 illusions of himself easily, and crush a whole room when laughing. (Final level). Those powers are impressive, considering the first time Luke tried to make illusions he drained himself totally and was in a very fatally exhausted phase. (Though no doubt that Luke's illusion was more impressive, though this was in the NJO). 2.) Desann could push Luke and crush the roof on him, but that doesn't mean he'd win. I doubt very much that Desann would ever make the top ranked Force-users, or even Dark Siders, but I'm not Janus, so we'll steer clear of those waters.
3.) I have a very hard time believing Kyle beat Desann fairly, no matter what's said. Kyle is nowhere near Revan's level, I doubt Luke at this point is either. I swear I've seen a thread that proved that Revan would beat Luke at around this time, DE or so, but I ain't hunting it down. Revan took on alot of people in his day. Countless Mandalorians, Republic, Jedi, Dark Jedi, Sith, Malak and who knows else. Factor in his lifetime of Jedi training, experiences in both Wars, and Sith teachings...
Desann is a virtual unknown in comparison, and him pushing Luke with the Force and losing either fairly, or cheaply to Kyle Katarn is not conclusive evidence enough for me to ever believe that he could defeat Revan. Maybe Malak.....maybe.
kamikz
2. I haven't said he was better then Luke, actually, I said Luke was better. However, pushing him his a damn good thing to do, and making Luke fear him, and standing up to him in a saber fight is damn good.
3. Actually, I've seen one of the NEWER threads where DE Luke won over both Yoda and Revan AT ONCE!
zephiel7
LOL!!!
That's a laugh, whoever said that is clearly a fanboy...
Quinlan_Vos
Hey, I made that thread you know!
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