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Nuff said......who takes it. Jedi will kill in this battle.

Count Dooku and Yoda. Dooku stalemates Windu, Yoda beats Vader with relative ease. Then Mace gets wtf pwned by them both.

I think it's the reverse. Vader and Yoda stalemate and Windu beats Dooku.

But Windu cant beat Dooku. Dooku has won twice before - he can do it again.

If Windu in RotS can best Sids in a duel I'm sure he can Dooku too by this time.

CW Mace, who was leagues above his ROTS self, was unable to beat the Count. I doubt he would be able to do it in ROTS. Him beating Sidious cant be used to determine the victor in this fight. It is a foolish A<B<C argument which in most cases dont work. I could also argue that Sidious was holding back when they fought.

Vader beats down Dooku and helps Windu take down Yoda.

Force lightning anyone? One shot of lightning from Dooku and Vader is gone.

Um... when? And, Rampant, please, even if that were the case - Dooku would be augmented as well.



Look, people have laid on a crapload of evidence that suggests that Mace > Dooku in swordsmanship. Vaapad > Makashi, and Mace also has the advantage of Shatterpoint, which Dooku is susceptible to. I highly doubt Dooku will take Mace in a swordfight.

Force fight? Dooku would likely win. Not in a duel, though.

Anyways...

Dooku and Yoda win. Yoda is capable of beating either opponent, and Dooku is more than capable of keeping them busy.

Let's see your logic Rampant. Dooku > Windu. Anakin > Dooku. Thus (even though I hate ABC reasoning) Anakin > Windu which isn't true because Windu > Sidious in saber combat, and thus Anakin > Sidious, but that doesn't work because Lucas himself said "you have to either Yoda or Mace to take on Sidious". Thus it doesn't work out.

I believe Mace was just overexaggerating Dooku. He overexaggerates Depa's saber skills by saying it surpasses his, where it definately does not. In addition that was Mace before he has perfected everything and before he had war experience.

Windu beats Dooku and him and Vader pwn Yoda.

Just a question Prodigal, how do you know Depa's bladework hasn't surpassed Mace's?

Well it's possible, but Mace's force strength and mastery is pretty far above Depa's based on what we know, and that makes a huge difference.

Yup, but the things we don't know about Depa could be cruicial to this as well. I get your point, but do we have anything to disprove Mace?

If Depa's bladework > Mace, then she should be able to defeat Sidious in lightsaber combat, which doesn't work out at all. Lucas himself said that Yoda and Mace could only take on Palpatine.

Mace was slightly exaggerating Depa.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Let's see your logic Rampant. Dooku > Windu. Anakin > Dooku. Thus (even though I hate ABC reasoning) Anakin > Windu which isn't true because Windu > Sidious in saber combat, and thus Anakin > Sidious, but that doesn't work because Lucas himself said "you have to either Yoda or Mace to take on Sidious". Thus it doesn't work out.

Thus that whole argument is based of an A<B<C argument and doesnt work. Point moot. You cant use ABC reasoning to determine a winner - which you have just blatantly done.



Lol. So Windu was just 'overexaggerating' when Dooku bet him. Are you trying to tell me that Mace could have won and killed a powerful sith lord and a key commander of the CIS but decided not to because he was 'overeaggerating'? Give me a break.



Dooku bet him in the middle of the CW. Windu had more than enough battle experience due to the fact he was in the middle of an inter galactic war. Im quite sure he had already mastered Vapaad (or at least very close to doing so) and was almost, if not already, at his prime.

Yet Dooku still bet him. And dont say the magnaguards effected the fight. They didnt interfere until after Mace was on his ass.



No. Windu and Dooku stalemate, then Yoda beats Vader and the two pwn Mace.

Don't make up crap. ABC arguments are not always bad. Not if it's logical.



Again, Dooku defeated him way back before the Phantom Menace. How do you know Mace had actually mastered Vapaad and his Shatterpoint ability?



When did Dooku beat him? I don't recollect this happening. If you're referring to Mace's statement in Shatterpoint, again Mace doesn't know that his abilities has surpassed Dooku's.

he might be referring to when Dooku tried to flee (again) and had the magna guards throw mace in a put.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
If Depa's bladework > Mace, then she should be able to defeat Sidious in lightsaber combat, which doesn't work out at all. Lucas himself said that Yoda and Mace could only take on Palpatine.

Mace was slightly exaggerating Depa.


Maybe that is because Depa is dead at the moment, and GL completly ignores EU characters (I know she does exist in the movies, but nothing about her, etc.)....


Rampant, Mace was not on his ass, what are you talking about? Dooku was holding his speech about "IF you kill me", "some other day, but not today", and all that, and Mace was fighting him for like half a minute, then they pulled him off the cliff. He was NOT on his ass, not nearly...

Yoda takes Windu, Tyranus takes Vader (if it's OT Vader). Or Mace takes Vader, Yoda takes Tyranus and then Mace might take Yoda since he'll likely be less tired than Yoda is since Yoda's form uses alot of energy. Or, if it's ROTS Vader he takes Tyranus, Yoda takes Mace, then Yoda's to tired to take Vader, or Yoda takes Vader, Mace takes Tyranus, then Mace beats Yoda since Yoda's to tired to ebat Mace.

So probably Vader and Windu.

This is OT Vader.

Yoda and Dooku will win.

Dooku will not under-estimate Mace in a fight and will resort to his mastery of force to over-power him.

And Yoda is too powerful for Vader to handle by himself. Even OT Vader will loose to him.


Windu never out-classed Sidious in a Saber duel. It was his "kick" that un-balanced Sidious.