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shimrra very easily

Shimrra.
Bane is strong, Shimrra's stronger.
Bane is fast, Shimrra's faster.
Bane has good armor, Shimrra has (arguably) better.
Bane has skill, Shimrra fought NJO Luke.
Bane has good force attacks, Shimrra... doesn't give a fvck.

I'm calling Shimrra on this one.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Shimrra.

Bane.



That's arguable. Bane is a beast of a man, a physical giant, and can use the force to enhance his strength.



That's quite clearly wrong, Bane can use force speed and was capable of fighting faster than they eyes of trained force users at a time where he was about 10 times less powerful than he is in BotS.



How so? Vonduun Crab Armour was only slightly resistant to the cutting power of a lightsaber, whereas Bane's armour is completely resistant. And the Vonduun Crab Armour possesses a huge weakness, in that a direct hit to the field nerve cables (which cover the stomach and neck areas) renders the entire armour useless. The Orbalisk Armour also gives Bane many more advantages; Vonduun Crab Armour has nothing on Orbalisk Armour.



Lolz, I can do it too.
Shimrra has skill, Bane fought Kas'im.
^Fun, isn't it.

Now please, Shimrra losing to a tired and wounded Luke who had just fought through an army of Vong doesn't quite compare to having fricking Kas'im beat at one point.



Lol, that's great, I'm sure he won't give a fvck when Bane collapses the entire ground beneath Shimrra's feet.



Right, and there's not one bit of bias factoring on that decision.

Shimrra has a weapon that has a blade that can have an atomic-diameter thick edge. That'll cut through Bane's armor, given Shimrra's massive strength.

Force speed may help, but, Bane can't use the force to maximum effect. His patterns and saber routines won't help, because when he was confronted with a new type of fighting style, he got his ass kicked. Against "The Scepter of Power" (Shimrra's uber amphistaff), Bane stands no chance, especially since he can't predict his movements with the force. And the force, direct attacks do nothing, and indirect attacks will be negated by Shimrra's speed and reflexes.

Pretty much any force user is fighting Blind against a Vong. Bane wouldn't even be able to comprehend Shimrra, and, for all his strength, is a lamb... with armor... for the slaughter.

Nebaris, is that you ???

I'm really not seeing how Shimrra would be able to generate more cutting power with that than a lightsaber. I mean, we're talking about a fricking lightsaber here, pure energy, something which isn't even solid, which gives it the pressure edge over Shimrra's staff. And you still haven't posted any evidence of Shimrra's 'massive strength'.



Halfway through PoD, he was able to move faster than the eyes of trained force users. So fast, that it seemed like time had stopped still for them. By BotS, he's grown in the force exponentially, and the orbalisk armour constantly pumps him with adrenaline and darkside energies. So unless Shimrra has reflexes on a higher level than trained force users, there's nothing to suggest that Bane won't be able to move too fast for Shimrra to see/react to, cut through the field nerve cables thereby negating the armour (which Shimrra won't be able to prevent because of the whole speed thing), and slice him in half.



By Kas'im... Kas'im is basically The Master of the Lightsaber, and Bane was completely unfamiliar with his fighting style. Anyone would get their asses kicked in that same situation.



Didn't realise the Vong were able to suppress precognition.



1. Bane's speed is on a level where he would be able to whip something up before Shimrra could even react to it.

2. Bane's strength with the force is on such a high level that he can casually pull a moon out of orbit.

3. Bane's control of the force is so great that he can harness the power of over 20 sith master combined with his own, and direct it to destroy an entire planet.

I see no evidence that Shimrra would be able to defend against indirect use of the force from Bane, all things considering.



Are we not working under the premise that Bane will have knowledge of Shimrra and the Vong? If we are, Bane wins each and every time. If not, it will be tougher, but he still pulls it off.

Just out of curiosity, since I've never read NJO, what's to stop Bane from simply Force Crushing him, or killing him with Force Lightning?

Well Shimmra's on a different level of the force than the one Bane is familiar with, so he can't sense Shimrra, and therefor can't directly affect him with the force. But lightning should work.

Force attacks have no effect... even if it would seem like they should.

Okay, in that case this battle could go either way.

No, it really can't. Shimrra's bigger and stronger than any Jedi, fast to fight Luke and wields a blade that can cut through anything with force.

Shimrra. Even barehanded

Bane's bigger and stronger than any Jedi, too.

Originally posted by Lightsnake No, it really can't. Shimrra's bigger and stronger than any Jedi,So was Tarrful. I bet he could take on full-fledged Sith Lords now, too.

He lost to a Luke who was already wounded and physically exhausted by his ascent through the warship and his battle with the slayers. That's not the best mark of prowess in the world.

Yet we never saw him cut apart a weakened Luke, did we. It's not like Bane's just going to stand there and get hit because he can.

That's a bit too far.

Originally posted by Faunus
So was Tarrful. I bet he could take on full-fledged Sith Lords now, too.
Tarrful's got power comparable whatsoever to the Supreme Overlord? News to me.

why is that, now?
Because he decided to kill Luke with a lightsaber for some reason. That's not exactly something that'd be repeated from battle to battle. From the descriptions we had of Shimrra's power? Not a slouch


No, but it's not like Shimrra will slowly lumber towards him. And I'd say that weakened Luke is still more than a match for most people. Shimrra also almost killed Luke if not for the poison being biotched

Hardly. What can Bane do to harm him? Shimrra's also numerous times stronger than any Yuuzhan Vong, and even an Intendant is double a human's stren

Not to mention Bane can't sense him through the force or use the force on him, so that's a massive disadvantage for a sith right there

Bane can win.

Even one of the best swordsman could not defeat him.

I think Faunus' point LS is that physical size does not matter in a fight. It's nice to be a 7'ft tall lumbjerjack in a fight, but that doesn't translate into victory.



My knowledge base on NJO is rather limited, but I am aware that Luke suffered the loss of his youngest nephew. He also had to fight through legions of Vong to get at Shimrra. He was obviously tired and distressed.



Oh come on man. Bane has Orbalisks constantly pumping adrenaline and strength into his system. He is going to be ridiculously strong, even without the force.



Somehow Luke was able to defeat Shimrra without "sensing him through the force," (while tired) and really force precognition is what makes him able to keep pace in lightsaber battles. Bane has the benefit of lightsaber resistant armour, superiour regenerative abilities, and he also has adrenaline and strength constantly pumping into his system to make himself physically stronger, faster, and aware. He can use the force to augment his speed and strength. In addition to this, he could rip apart the ground, throw trees, boulders, etc.,

Originally posted by zephiel7
I think Faunus' point LS is that physical size does not matter in a fight. It's nice to be a 7'ft tall lumbjerjack in a fight, but that doesn't translate into victory.
That's great, but Shimrra's raw physical strength could very well



He lost his nephew about two years ago for one, and yes he was tired. However, he was also using the Force to keep himself going



He isn't going to be half as strong as a beast like Shimrra....Shimrra is about...nine feet tall and all of that is muscle....his species' politicians are twice as powerful as a human, and Shimrra Jamaane has been biologically teched to hell and back



Oh yeah, a boulder Shimrra's just going to slice out of the air? And Luke had a benefit of five years learning how to fight Vong and gain access to the Unifying Force.

So, Shimrra has lightsaber resistant armor, is almost untouchable to Bane and is one of the physically strongest beings in the Star Wars galaxy who has biotech constantly augmenting his strength and speed.

It's not a contest. Bane loses and loses hard

Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's great, but Shimrra's raw physical strength could very wellI'll let you finish this.

Having killed three of his assailants, he was facing only one opponent, but his energy was beginning to flag. It was not fatigue born of fear of going to the dark side, but simple exhaustion, and Shimrra was moving in.

After having been battered and slashed by the slayers, too.

He's actually under the eight-foot mark, but okay. No one's denying that he's strong, but that doesn't mean he can just overpower anyone he fights.

WTF are you talking about? A 500-pound boulder sent hurtling through the air would snap Shimrra's amphistaff like a twig.

His "lightsaber resistant armor" lost him his head. Nice. He's hardly untouchable, despite what you would like to think, and physical strength is almost never a deciding factor between SW duelists. Likewise, I could say that Bane has -actual- saber-resistant armor, is probably untouchable to Bane due to his speed, and isn't a slouch in the strength department himself.

Yeah, bull. It's something of a contest, and ends with Bane taking Shimrra's head off and playing with it.

I suppose Yoda is going to get owned by Vader because the latter has greater physical strength? Your joking, right?

Anyways, I would argue whether Shimrra even possessed as much physical strength as Bane.



That doesn't stop the fact that he was tired as hell, and he was fighting the Vong who killed his nephew (Am I right?) He'd be fighting hard enough to control the darkside from taking over, not to mention all his fatigue.

Either way we can't judge much from Shimrra nearly winning against a tired Luke.



Dess is seven feet tall, and pure muscle. He has the force to augment his strength in conjunction with several orbalisks injecting him with adrenaline and strength. His armour supplies him with amazing regenerative capabilities, covers nearly all known parts of his body, and is capable of healing deep wounds instantaneously.




He could rip the ground underneath Shimrra's feet. He has several indirect methods to disorient his foe.

And dude, a tree falling on Shimrra is really going to hurt, no matter how you look at it.



Heh, I would say the same with Bane. He is almost untouchable to Shimrra. Plus he has the force to augment his strength and speed, and the added strength supplied by his armour. Add in regenerative capabilities and Bane has it in the bag.



Indeed.

Actually Bane was 2 meters which is I believe 6"8.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Actually Bane was 2 meters which is I believe 6"8.

Still pretty damn tall. Puts my 5'10 to shame

About Bane's physical strength:

1. He was a physical powerhouse, described as a 'mountain of muscle', and the revised edition of the EGtC lists his height as 1.9 metres. He had been born and bred working on the mines, his life consisted of pretty much hours of constant hammering on hard cortosis every single day, and he had a terrible temper which lead to a lot of fights.

2. Bane was no stranger to augmenting his physical attributes with the force, he was taught to enhance his pain threshold as well as make himself physically stronger pretty much as soon as he joined the academy, and by BotS, he became incredibly strong in the force, so he'd likely be able to do this to incredible effect.

3. Bane's orbalisk armour constantly pumps him with adrenaline, constantly strengthens his muscles and keeps them hardened, and constantly injects him with dark side energies, that fill him with strength and fury, and allows him to release the energies to channel his strength and speed.

What's so great about Shimrra's physical strength that puts him above Bane in that department?

You're kidding, right? An average Vong-hell, a LESS than average Vong if Nom Anor's any description- carries physical strength of over twice a well built human. Shimrra is, what, ten times stronger than Nom? Shimrra's been bioteched to hell and back to make him the perfect physical specimen of the warrior race.

If you think Bane is stronger physically than Shimrra, than quite frankly, there's really no going back for you

Originally posted by Faunus
I'll let you finish this.

Having killed three of his assailants, he was facing only one opponent, but his energy was beginning to flag. It was not fatigue born of fear of going to the dark side, but simple exhaustion, and Shimrra was moving in.

After having been battered and slashed by the slayers, too.
Your point being?
And Shimrra's physical strength is well above any other Vong, or Jedi for that matter. To claim Bane's is even close is insanity.

Could he overpower a Sith who'll be totally unprepared that his powers don't work, while fighting someone on par, or better than him?
Yeah

Yeah. You keep thinking it'll snap a three meter long scepter of power. I'm curious, do the Yuuzhan Vong make their weapons especially brittle?

Any hint this exceeds someone like Shimrra? Any? None? Alright, then. And last I checked, Shimrra won't be stopping to gloat and draw Anakin's lightsaber. Oh, and Bane has 'actual' saber resistant armor? Yeah, how this'll help him against Shimrra? One bite from Shimrra's amphistaff and unless Bane's been taught how to modify biotech, e's a dead man

More likely, Shimrra rips out Bane's heart and eats it.

Originally posted by zephiel7
I suppose Yoda is going to get owned by Vader because the latter has greater physical strength? Your joking, right?

Anyways, I would argue whether Shimrra even possessed as much physical strength as Bane.
Than you know absolutely nothing of the Vong or the NJO, so don't argue from a platform of ignorance. Shimrra is well over two meters tall, the strongest of a race where politicians are stronger than humans and in addition to that, has numerous Shaper alterations to make him stronger and faster



No, you're not right. Luke was tired, but overly so? Shimrra had never even MET Anakin, by the by, and Luke had long since come to terms with his own Dark Side. That he was 'struggling with the Dark Side' is completely unsupported foolishness.

You could count on the fingers of one hand people in SW who could do that.



Dess is 6'8, actually. And yes, he's pure muscle, I'm sure. Again: That'd make him ohhh....bout as strong as Nom Anor pound for pound...he has things constantly injecting him with strength and stamina? Welcome to the average Vong warrior! Armor protects him from most anything? Hello there, vonduun crab! So...Shimrra has almost all that going for him, and then some. Wow




And again with this ridiculous assertion. Proof of Bane ever doing so in a battle.
Wow, Shimrra could throw a razor bug that Bane can't sense, that'll rip through his face. Fight over.

And Shimrra tossing a blast bug at Bane'll kill him, no matter how you look at him. Oh, and is Shimrra going to stand gawking at the tree?



Ok, I'm dealing with someone who hasn't even read the NJO and it's getting old. Read my above posts, read the NJO and learn a bit aside from PoD



Wow, you can modify my quotes! You're so clever and witty!

Allfg (for some reason, by the way, I'm getting a strong Noobaris hit from you), I saw your three points posted above, and I have to say that the first one had me in hysterics, no exaggeration. Bane's a big guy. Yup, that makes him strong compared to other humans, but compared to a Vong - let alone Shimrra?

I must have mistaken what you were trying to get across, because it sounded like you were trying to insinuate that simply because Bane's a big guy means that Shimrra would have problems with him.

That's not the case.

Bane's natural strength is pathetic compared to someone of Shimrra's strength. Regular Bane vs. Shimmra? Bane would not put up even a semblance of a fight. Shimmra would literally wipe his ass with him.

I just wanted to point that out because it seemed to me that you were implying that Bane's natural strength is impressive compared to Shimrra's - or any other Vong for that matter. And that line of thought borders on insantiy and flat-out delusion.

Maybe you should get your eyesight checkout out, because you must have missed the "He was a physical powerhouse, described as a 'mountain of muscle'" and the "He had been born and bred working on the mines, his life consisted of pretty much hours of constant hammering on hard cortosis every single day". And what's really hilarious is that you actually got hysterics out of that.



Now this is what happens when you take my points out of context, and ignore how they form together in the bigger picture. Did you happen to miss points 2 and 3?

So he was a physical powerhouse, big deal! The strongest human is nothing to a stron g Yuuzhan Vong. A race of the warrior caste that exists for nothing greater than to fight and fight and die. You think working in the mines is any comparison to a Yuuzhan Vong? A natural miner or soldier would be and have been snapped in half by Shimrra.

What Shimrra needs to do, quite simply, is grab Bane's head and squeeze...hell, Shimrra has weapons Bane is incapable of sensing that he can use right off, his bare hands are literally carnivorous beasts...

Just so you know, this is Nebaris. The arguments are EXACTLY the same as month ago, verbatim. Same goes for the other forum. I suggest Nebaris quit trying to come back to this forum because it will just result in a ban.

...and that still puts him where compared to someone like Shimrra? I'll take "nowhere" for 200, Alex. I understand, Noobaris, that your love for Bane dictates the very way you live your life, but please. We're not going to consign ourselves to your bullshit logic. Shimrra would curbstomp this "mountain of muscle" that you jerk off too every night.



Wow. Maybe in between creating multiple sock accounts, you ought to have your eyes checked. I didn't ignore your other points. Hence why I addressed one and nicely pointed out that a regular Bane ("mountain of muscle" he may be) would be crushed by Shimrra.

Again, what's stopping Bane from moving faster than Shimrra can see/react to, cutting through the field nerve cables of his Vonduun Crab Armour thereby negating the entire armour, and slicing him in half? Unless you want to argue that Shimrra's reflexes are far above that of well trained force users..

PRobably because Shimrra is incredibly fast and Bane doesn't know a thing about any nerve cables? Shimrra's reflexes are quite a bit faster than Jacen Solo, whom he smacked aside like an insect and deflected a saber throw from.

Again, we're talking about someone who was feared for his prowess in combat among a warrior race when he was 7

I really don't understand this whole orbalisks concept. As I've explained to Noobaris it makes little sense. For one, certain parts of BOTS have been retconned by POD and are N-Canon. This includes Nadd's holocron. Now, if there is no Nadd Holocron, then there is no traveling to DXUN, for he would have had no reason. If he didn't travel to DXUN, he didn't pool any bullshit moon out of orbit, nor have these orbalisks as you call them. If you used common sense you'd understand that most of what you're arguing for in terms of Bane, really was retconned and shouldn't even be part of a debate.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I really don't understand this whole orbalisks concept. As I've explained to Noobaris it makes little sense. For one, certain parts of BOTS have been retconned by POD and are N-Canon. This includes Nadd's holocron. Now, if there is no Nadd Holocron, then there is no traveling to DXUN, for he would have had no reason. If he didn't travel to DXUN, he didn't pool any bullshit moon out of orbit, nor have these orbalisks as you call them. If you used common sense you'd understand that most of what you're arguing for in terms of Bane, really was retconned and shouldn't even be part of a debate.

Not at all. The orbalisks are canon, in fact a publication of LOTF references to a point where Krayt was contacting Bane's spirit. He was seaking mastery over the Vong armour to the degree that Bane had mastered his control over the orbalisks.

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Given what Shimrra did to Jacen, Zephiel, pardon me if I don't subscribe to the notion that Bane is going to remotely "pwn" Shimrra. As we know, Jacen's power in the Force far exceeds Bane's own - and he was very, very powerful as of the Unifying Force - and yet Shimrra dealt with him as if he were not a threat at all.

Sorry. A super-energetic Bane won't have equal strength to Shimrra.

Even if Bane could dodge the bugs coming out him, without precog, they'd miss and fly back to kill him. Shimrra could just throw a handful and watch Bane try to defend himself. If he lives, it won't be for long. He's got zero experience against Vong (and we saw what happened when Bane fought Kas'im when Kas'im had two lightsabers), can't use force powers, and is physically outmatched.

But Jim...he has the orbalisks!

Why would Bane not have precognition when against the Vong.

Because pre-cog doesn't work against the damn Vong. That simple

Indeed. No Jedi had precognitive abilities against the Sith...

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly is canon in BOTS and what isn't. Obviously I forgot about Bane appearing in Legacy so that's canon, but I don't see much of anything else being canon including the moon pulling crap and DEFINITELY not Nadd's holocron.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because pre-cog doesn't work against the damn Vong. That simple

Do you even know what precognition is? The Vong can't be sensed through the force, however that in no way suppresses a jedi's precognition.

Actually, it does. Jaina reflects over how it's so much easier with the Ssi-Ruuk because pre-cog works there

Well that just doesn't make sense, the Vong being on a different force frequency should in no way prevent a jedi from seeing things before they happen. Source?

Force Heretic for one.

And fraid it is indeed fact. What you think makes sense is far removed from other human levels

Quote and page number, or go home.

Quite frankly. No. Second book, get it yourself. Jaina stated she could sense the actions of the Ssi-Ruu, while that wasn't true for the Vong.

That's pre-cog...you need to feel the opponent through the force for it

Nebaris, have you EVER won an argument in your life? Coming back here for more pwnage makes you both persistent and sad.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Quite frankly. No. Second book, get it yourself. Jaina stated she could sense the actions of the Ssi-Ruu, while that wasn't true for the Vong.

That's pre-cog...you need to feel the opponent through the force for it

LMAO, I guessed as much, you clearly don't understand how precognition works. Feeling your opponent through the force has no relation on seeing things before they happen.

When the force is involved, that's what matters

I'm sorry, but this response made me LOL! Do you really need to be so vague all the time?

Actually your argument hinges on how Shimrra nearly defeated a tired Luke. I can see enough of the fallacy in that to smack around your argument. I do have an idea of what I am talking about Lightsnake, there is plenty of information from reliable sources such as Databank to come to conclusions, unless you want to be a genuine phallus and ignore those too.



LOL. Yeah right Lightsnake, you were resorting to arguments that were along the lines of, Shimrra is 9 feet tall. How about you end this stupidity about physical size being a contributor to victory, because it is really getting quite inane.




I think you mean amplify lightsnake, because I never said the force "exemplifies." But I should expect that from your reading comprehension.

It is really quite basic lightsnake, but you can't seem to grasp that the force actually does amplify strength and skill.

This is when Bane was using the force to augment his speed. "He chanelled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world."

"It took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see"

He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation. His weapon became an extrension of the Force, and he responded to the Twi'leks's unstoppable attack with an impenetrable defense.

It can cacoon someone from physical trauma. "The fall would have broken his neck-or at least fractured an arm or a leg-if Bane hadn't caccooned himself with the force



Right... Well this inhuman power didn't stop him from getting disemboweled from not so energetic Luke, did it?



Qauntify Solo's strength at this point. Just because he could sense the Vong doesn't mean that his strength and skill at NJO rivalled someone like Bane whom has far more experience, a far more refined connection to the force, and armour that renders him virtually invulnerable.



Your point with this? I am obviously aware of this L.S or maybe you couldn't register that I knew it because you had your eyes to far up your anus.



Of course.



Prove that these "shapers" are going to make these Vong fast enough face a sith lord who has not only the orbalisks pumping adrenaline into him constantly, but his own superiour connection to the force (enabling him to move at blinding speeds, viewed by those with equivalent training to DE Leia) Oh wait, you haven't. So sorry lightsnake.



LOL. Bane can't use the force, eh? Keep thinking that Lightsnake, your reputation is suddenly taking a drastic turn for the worse.



No shit Sherlock.



Yes, because of course a bit of venom is going to kill him when a whole host of toxic parasites weren't able to. What's actually quite sad is you are completely ignoring the fact that Bane could dodge, or relocate it into another part of his armour.



Bullshit.

"The energy bottled up inside him in a tremednous rush of power. He channeled it through his muscles and limbs"

"then spun through and brought his saber crashing into his opponent's lower leg. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through his muscle, sinew, and finally skin.

Can't increase strength? Pathetic. He was able to easily splinter solid bone, and that wasn't even with a lightsaber.



Wow, you are being really thick headed as usual L.S, I don't believe this. Perhaps, if it isn't too difficult, you could try and comprehend what I have been retyping a billion times. He was using the force to augment his strength, "channeling it through his "muscles and limbs."




Dodge you mean? Well, yes, I believe Bane can dodge, a "razor bug" especially since he was moving at incredible speeds, "faster than the eyes can see."



Well let's see lightsnake, considering that this is a versus scenario, I think options are available that don't depend on the author's choices or movie choreography. I think Bane has the ability to rip open the ground when, in a weaker form, he was perfectly comfortable with ripping apart the foundations of the great Rakatan temple, despite being exhausted and knocked off a couple of flights of stairs.




Maybe it isn't too much for you to process that he can see Shimrra preparing to hurl something and dodge the assault. He has demonstrated enormous speeds in PoD, which you sadly haven't picked up.

Just to be even with you: learn what **** you are talking about.



I don't know everything about Vong weaponry, but I do know that a majority them are biological in nature. It doesn't take the smartest light bulb to understand that Bane can see when Shimrra is intending to throw stuff at him. He doesn't need to use the force, his adrenaline enhances his reflexes and endurance. Learn a bit of chemistry, lightsnake, if you are going to be criticizing me on what I do or do not know about Star Wars.



Yes because an orbalisk-adrenaline enhanced Sith Lord with an incredible connection to the force is comparable to a "trained Jedi." Very brilliant use of logic lightsnake, your good for laughs, props up to that.



LOL. Please find proof that Bane is simply going to stand their and let it strike his face. For that matter, prove definively that Bane covered his face with a mask. Those could be orbalisks covering his face for all you know. BOTS hinted that the Orbalisks would soon spread and cover everything.[ If you don't want to look like you are spewing bullshit, I reccommend proving up snakey-boy.



Stop being intentionally thick headed. Is he going to stand there and let it slice his head? For that matter, can it if he has Orbalisks covering it.



Oh I don't know, maybe how I showed you that the force is augmenting his strength and speed, his adrenaline is doing the same, and his armour his healing him and protecting him from a simple "plasma eel."

He can also use the force to pin cushion himself from effects of explosion or extreme trauma.



And? Bane was able to match one of the best swords man ever, who spent decades mastering every lightsaber form to perfection, and push him back. The said swordsman who was desperately trying to counter Bane, but whose knowledge of swordsplay was rendered useless, and whom almost died if Bane were not so cocky.

The same swordsman who was able to wake up, open the door, and pull Bane into his room before he could even get the second knock in. The same swordsman who honed his mastery of lightsaber combat for decades.

Bane cannot defeat a simple Vong? Keep dreaming lightsnake.

Bull ****ing shit. Maybe you have to get over the fact that a force enhanced Sith Lord with adrenaline constantly pumping into his system is going to be stronger than Shimrra. The force can easily augment ones strength. Bane can channel his own immense connection to the force through his "muscle and sinew," augmenting his strength. Mix this with orbalisks and he is going to be stronger than Shimrra.



Oh wow. Lets not forget that Bane can also do that with orbalisks covering his hand. Maybe you never though of that Snake old man?



ROFLMAO. Can you say "hypocrite?" Calling me a Bane fanboy is probably the stupidest thing you could have done. You are infatuated with NJO and movie characters that you cannot possibly fathom the idea that Exar Kun and Darth Bane combined can take down ROTS Sidious. Dream on lightsnake, this becoming funny, fast.



Yes, I have heard that he has the vongseed established into him that can help him sense the Vong. How strong was he, without referring to fallible quotes by in universe soruces?



Cut the bullshit, and I suggest you prove up. You state that he was a very strong master but quantify. Because by happenstance he had a vongseed that allowed him to use lightning against the vong? Give me a break.



What a laugh lightsnake. *Yawn* if you want to resort to insults instead of admitting that your evidence of ZOMG Shimrra is SUPERSTRONG, or ZOMG HE ALMOST killed teh TIred LUKE!!!11, is getting stale, go right ahead. Because lightsnake, as much as you don't want to realize, most of your evidence is inconclusive.



Good for him! Bane was able to overwhelm the best duelist of his time, possibly ever, and lost only because of his arrogance.

Not only that, but his connection to the force was immense, and Kas'im stated that was what was important in determining how fast or strong you can become in a saber duel.



Prove how strong Jacen Solo is. I can't imagine "that strong," because the only thing we have seen him use up to this point was force lightning against Vong, because by happenstance he had a seed implanted into him that allowed him to sense them.



More bullshit coming my way I see. One hit, wow you really are blinded by your love for the NJO.

Maybe you chose to ignore that Bane's armour can reflect lightsaber hits? Maybe you chose to ignore that he can regenerate from blasts of energy. Maybe you chose to ignore that he could "pin cushion" the effect like he did when he was falling down several flights of stairs that could have easily broken his body?



You have the audacity to accuse me of being a Bane fanboy when you are enjoying consecutive orgasms over your movie and NJO lovers.

Here is a suggestion, think before you type stuff out. You are a complete hypocrite. From moment one you cannot admit the fallibility of any of the movie characters or the NJO.




You stated you read PoD, so you implied that you actually knew stuff about it. I guess you were too thickheaded to pick things up about Bane's capabilities because they affected the standing of your precious NJO and movie love dolls. I've provided quotes, hopefully you aren't thickheaded to ignore those too.

I haven't read much of this argument but I do know a couple of things. Bane's raw strength is meaningless because he has the force to amplify his strength. However, what in the world makes you think he can overpower Shimrra? I saw someone gave an example of Yoda, who's 66 centimeters but can carry huge guns on his back. It's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of force mastery and to what extent you can use the force to augment your strength. At the same time even a tired Luke would be more than a match for the likes of Bane and Yoda, so I don't really see Bane overpowering the overlord.

Anyways, I'll be away for a while now since mid terms are coming up.

For the record, Bane is well educated with Yuzzang Vong before entering the fight. I want to equalize the surprise factor, because that is not what a versus fight is about. It's about who is stronger and more tactical.

Damn, that was pure pwnage, but just a quick pointer; it's stated in the Dark Side Source Book that the orbalisks would soon cover his face, and if that happened, would suffocate Bane to death, so Bane developed his mask so it would block and prevent the orbalisks from reaching his face.

Originally posted by allfg
Damn, that was pure pwnage, but just a quick pointer; it's stated in the Dark Side Source Book that the orbalisks would soon cover his face, and if that happened, would suffocate Bane to death, so Bane developed his mask so it would block and prevent the orbalisks from reaching his face.

I see. I thought they would not bud into the nostrils, so to speak. My points still remain.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Actually your argument hinges on how Shimrra nearly defeated a tired Luke. I can see enough of the fallacy in that to smack around your argument. I do have an idea of what I am talking about Lightsnake, there is plenty of information from reliable sources such as Databank to come to conclusions, unless you want to be a genuine phallus and ignore those too.
Um, no...it's based on the actual prowes of the Overlord and his race



how about you realize that wasn't my focal argument? The fact is: Shimrra is bigger and stronger than Bane. And Jacen observes he's never in the place that's attacked




I don't feel like arguing with your grasp of English right now

I want proof of it augmenting Bane's strength. Now.

That's his speed. Lovely. The average VOng has been shown moving that fast. Now, anything else?

Again: Average Vong speed.

Bane needed the force to survive something average Vong warriors get up from??



Irrelevant misdirection. Luke>Bane by a huge margin and Bane cnanot replicate the circumstances



Far more experience? Jacen is the strongest person in the NJO except for Luke and Kyp at that point, bar none. His force lightning reduces people to bones, he can literally become one with the Force itself and bring down a minor mountain/caver with the Force.
Jacen>Bane. Big time, especially by TuF



You're obviously not aware of simple things like 'logic'



Lol. The average Vong is fast enough to keep up with Jedi...Yomin Carr was outmanuevering Mara and corran Horn, one of the strongest of the NJO members was totally shocked at someone like Shedao's Shai's speed.
When Bane can block a thrown dagger in midair, kill the wielder and engage two Jedi before the dagger even hits the ground...oh, and that's an AVERAGE Vong warrior.



On the Vong? Huh, I wonder




Dodge it? He's going to dodge something he can't even sense and that goes with that speed and distance? Relocate it? Get over your fanboyism: Bane will die if the venom hits him. If not for Jacen, the venom from Shimrra's amphistaff would have killed Luke himself. There was stated to be no cure and unless Bane's been trained in Vong bioscience...

I want some proof this is an inkling of power the Yuuzhan Vong overlord can summon. Oh, and maybe you're unaware of basic biology, but swing a blunt instrument into the back of someone's leg when you're as physically strong as Bane is already. There's nothing related to the force there



I heard you. What's your point? Nothing showing this matches a strong Vong...who're many times stronger than the strongest humans




Huh. When we saw people killed by razor bugs, it was as if they were suddenly dead and the Vong suddenly had their arms outsetched.
Far greater than the eye can see. And if Shimrra throws a LOT of them as Vong tend to? It'll only take one to seriously injure Baney



Maybe it's too much to expect for you to read NJO and discover that the Vong have demonstrated similar speeds and Vong don't even seem to move when they throw razor ugs. usually because they simply twitch their hands and they fly ahead. Oh, wait, you haven't even read NJO



He can't use the Force in any which way against Shimrra. He can't sense a thing, he can't use any powers on him and all Shimrra needs to do is hold his weapons at a ready position or twitch his hand. When Vong threw a razorbug...it was sudden. The very motions weren't even detected. So, we have something travelling with at least the speed of a bullet against Bane who hasn't demonstrated greater speeds than the Vong. Point here?



If you'd get your head out of the clouds, you'd see that was an average Vong vcapable of that...and one of those Jedi still fell to that average Vong...one of those Jedi was Jacen Solo himself


Like you moronically assume Shim'll stand there and let Bane assault him?

Oh, and Bane DID NOT ALLOW THE ORBALISKS TO GROW ON HIS FACE. It's under his goddamn character profile in the Essential guide to characters. Or his spirit in Legacy? No orbalisks on his face there....what is that? A mask!
btw, prove those orbalisks will stop sometihng that can slice through solid stone and durasteel. Or explode with the force of a thermal detonator. Or melt durasteel.
Did I say Bane'll let it happen? No. Did I say Bane will be surprised and get killed by it? Yes



Unless those orbalisks are tougher than stone and durasteel to razor bugs...and Bane won't have a choice if it's too fast for him and he can't sense it



A plasma eel explodes with the power of a contained thermal detonator, thanks.
Without injury? Somehow I doubt this



Why? He knew his moves. Bane could sense him. Bane's power in the darkside outmatched Kas'im's
He has not a one of those advantages here

Compared to the supreme Overlord? Mmhmm
Did I say that? A simple Vong? Sure. the Overlord? Like hell

Originally posted by allfg
LMAO, I guessed as much, you clearly don't understand how precognition works. Feeling your opponent through the force has no relation on seeing things before they happen.

You're clearly wrong; if you cannot sense an opponent, you cannot sense their actions. That is how it works. I'm ruling in favor of Lightsnake, there, so if you continue to tell me I'm wrong, then you will be utterly disregarded.

In other words, Nebaris, you lose.

Furthermore, it took the likes of Luke Skywalker to defeat Shimrra! He is, so far, the most powerful Jedi we've seen, as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Bull ****ing shit. Maybe you have to get over the fact that a force enhanced Sith Lord with adrenaline constantly pumping into his system is going to be stronger than Shimrra. The force can easily augment ones strength. Bane can channel his own immense connection to the force through his "muscle and sinew," augmenting his strength. Mix this with orbalisks and he is going to be stronger than Shimrra.
Maybe in Zephiel land this is so.
That's all I hear from you. the force does not augment one's strength to SHimrra's level, 1, Bane's NATURAL STRENGTH is LESS than a Yuuzhan Vong politician...how much is he augmented now? Maybe you need to get fof your lazy little ass and read the NJO because you know shit about what you're trying to talk about. Stronger than Shimrra? the average Vong can dent durasteel. Shimrra's NATURAL strength exceeds Bane's an augmented on its own? far superior.

Bane's good, but to the ability where he can fight an opponent of such speed and strength? What can Bane do at his strongest? Can he move so fast to elude top Jedi masters and slaughter numerous opponents at once? Can he kill one of the strongest races in the galaxy barehanded? Can he deflect a knife, kill its wielder and then engage Jacen Solo and Ganner Rhysode, defeating one before the knife even falls?

Average Vong warriors can do all of that and they're nothing to Shimrra.
Yeah, Bane's strong, but keep a realistic grasp of his strength!



To the same degree? Wow, in your opinion, maybe. Maybe you should use some logic because you're doing nothing more than saying it's so because you say so



Probably because two canon sources call him the strongest in history and a source directly calls him the strongest in over a thousand years! Canon has spoken.



Judging to the omniscient narrarator, he was a storm of power in Traitor and one of the most powerful of the New Jedi Order save Luke himself



I have proven up! I've given examples for Shimrra's INFERIORS matching Bane's superiors! We've seen Force Lightning BEND AWAY from the Vong! Edge of Destiny directly stated lightning and crushes had no effect on them. Wow...keep dreaming


alright, now do we realize I haven't used that as evidence? because, you hypocrite, the average Vong have shown raw physical strength above Bane.
show me Bane's incredible strength or you know something? Shut up.
That's right. Shut up. You go oh and on about Bane's power, but the most he did with the force augmenting him? He....broke Sirak's leg. Wow. A Vong can twitch his foot and snap someone's neck-average Vong again!- a footsoldier Vong killed a Noghri- one of the strongest races in the galaxy physically- barehanded. Tsavong Lah deflected a huge rock thrown at his head without trying. Shimrra knocked one of the most powerful Jedi to the ground without even looking at him...a dismissive gesture that knockd Jacen out. Please



And Shimrra overwhelmed the best duelist ever. You want to ***** about it? Well, guess what: Bane was able to do so due to his knowledge of Kas'im's moves..."They had fought too many times for him to surprise Bane now"
I'm sure you forgot that

Which...won't help him against Shimrra since a lot of fighting witht he force is sensing your opponent. Bane has to leaern in minutes what Jedi had to learn in years.

Yeah. Right



outright stated to be one of the strongest of the Order...possibly THE strongest except for Luke.
And he was able to alter the molecular structure of things, become one with the FOrce in entirety....



Where do I start:
Good thing Shim's not using a saber
Good thing Shimrra's immune to those plasts
Bane can cushion himself from something a Vong would just get up from? He's so strong compared to them!
All Shimrra needs to do is put a hand on Bane's head and squeeze



Your continuous use of circular logic is testament to the fact

Whine, whine, whine




Irrelevance in entirety. You haven't read NJO so you argue from ignorance.


Now, you stop being insulting and I'll do the same

Play nice, kids.

Originally posted by Captain REX
You're clearly wrong; if you cannot sense an opponent, you cannot sense their actions. That is how it works. I'm ruling in favor of Lightsnake, there, so if you continue to tell me I'm wrong, then you will be utterly disregarded.

In other words, Nebaris, you lose.

Furthermore, it took the likes of Luke Skywalker to defeat Shimrra! He is, so far, the most powerful Jedi we've seen, as far as I'm concerned.

That's not how precognition works Rex, it's not dependant on whether you can sense your opponent or not, it's just seeing bits of the future flash before you. Sorry Rex, but being a Mod doesn't mean that you can decide who's right or wrong, because you're clearly wrong. And Shimrra wasn't even able to defeat a wounded and fatigued Luke who had just fought through an entire army, he's really nothing special, Bane would ow Luke in that position. By your logic, Lumiya is uber to.

bane'd own Luke in that position? Shimrra, by all accounts, was winning until he decided to pull the lightsaber, and that was very likely ue to Onimi's manipulation. Oh, and was Luke even wounded? Granted, he was tired, but we've seen tired opponents fight very, very hard

That IS how precog works, Neb, sorry! If there Force isn't telling you that you have an opponent at all, I see no reason for it to tell you that there's an incoming attack.

And I've done it before in order to end pointless arguments. I'm ruling from majority; majority says you're wrong, so that's what I'm ruling.

By your logic, Bane could beat everyone. Oh, wait, he couldn't. Gee!

Again, is Lumiya uber because she pulled off something more impressive? Don't be ridiculous.

She got a hit that nearly killed Luke when he was worried about Mara

You know what's funny? I never said anything about Lumiya, you did. I'll go with you on that one, though. Lumiya did something uber? Cool! She can beat Bane, then.

Oh, wait, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE THREADS ABOUT.

Stay on topic or this will close.

Originally posted by Captain REX
That IS how precog works, Neb, sorry! If there Force isn't telling you that you have an opponent at all, I see no reason for it to tell you that there's an incoming attack.

And I've done it before in order to end pointless arguments. I'm ruling from majority; majority says you're wrong, so that's what I'm ruling.

By your logic, Bane could beat everyone. Oh, wait, he couldn't. Gee!

The force telling you that you will be attacked by someone isn't dependant on being able to sense them through the force Rex, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. The future and sensing your opponents aren't directly related, you're mixing them up.

Ok, sure thing.

In a swordfight, he can.

Originally posted by Captain REX
You know what's funny? I never said anything about Lumiya, you did. I'll go with you on that one, though. Lumiya did something uber? Cool! She can beat Bane, then.

Oh, wait, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE THREADS ABOUT.

Stay on topic or this will close.

No, my point was that almost beating a wounded and fatigued Luke isn't evidence of Shimrra being uber, when we have proven weaklings doing the same.

And it was on topic, I was using an analogy that was directly related to Shimrra, it's not my fault that you're dumb.

On the issue of 'how precog works,' go talk to Lightsnake, he already proved you wrong. I'm just saying that the next post on the matter will get you a warning, because you have been proven wrong and are persisting.

Is that clear?

And Bane could not beat anyone in a swordfight. For once in my entire time as moderator of the SWVs., I am going to accuse a person of fanboyism. That would be you.

Want to insult me again?

Lightsnake proved me wrong?



LOL!

And please, nobody would be able to handle Bane in a duel, his orbalisk armour makes him virtually invincible, and even without it he's one of the top duelists.

Geez, I didn't realise retards could actually become moderators.

That's two warnings right there, but I'll be nice and give you one. Keep it up.

says the one who's been embarassed in virtually every single argument he's ever been involved in. Good job dumbshit

Play nice, DS, I've got it.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
says the one who's been embarassed in virtually every single argument he's ever been involved in. Good job dumbshit

*high-fives DS and steps back to whatch REX KICK SOME AAAASSSS!*

Meanwhile, might I direct some attention to this thread?

Hm... I am beginning to see how Shimrra could possibly defeat Bane. So he nearly defeated Luke, eh?

Anyways, give Bane the vongseed and he'd own the bastard.

I'll give you this one since I've never read the NJO (I am not going to start either.) If I by some miracle I do...

Terminator voice: I'll be back.

*Offers hand to shake*

And yeah, Bane did almost beat Luke...he cage him in and wound his amphistaff around him, onstricting him. He stopped to use the lightsaber because he wanted Luke to suffer the pain his 'own warriors felt, forced to fight against living ships of Sekot.'

P.S: About the BoTS thing, it would only make sense to retcon the parts that directly contradict PoD. From what I've seen they are few and far between to even consider.

Regardless, he could have still learned a host of different things from Nadd's holocron. Obviously he needed a way to get back to Onderon once he got the Orbalisks, considering the two bodies drifted apart for thousands of years. He would have needed to use the force to nudge them together.

Originally posted by zephiel7
P.S: About the BoTS thing, it would only make sense to retcon the parts that directly contradict PoD. From what I've seen they are few and far between to even consider.

Regardless, he could have still learned a host of different things from Nadd's holocron. Obviously he needed a way to get back to Onderon once he got the Orbalisks, considering the two bodies drifted apart for thousands of years. He would have needed to use the force to nudge them together.

You have to understand that it's MORE than likely that Nadd's holocron doesn't even exist, considering it contradicts POD directly with the rule of two and all the ancient sith wisdom. His orbalisks are canon thanks to legacy but that's about the only thing that is.

1. If Bane has no knowledge on Shimrra, then the fight will be hard, but he'll still win; his orbalisk armour would give him the time he would need to realise that his best bet would be to use an indirect attack - a storm of force lightning would suffice.

2. If Bane knows everything about Shimrra, he wins very easily; he moves faster than Shimrra can see/react to, cuts through his field nerve cables thereby negating the entire armour, and then cuts him in two.

Someone said that lightning bends away from Vong. Not saying that it is so, I just wonder if it is correct.

I don't know, I haven't seen a source for that, and really, it doesn't make sense at all; there's no reason why a Vong would be physically affected by a lightsaber, but not lightning. However, a force crush should do the trick, or collapsing the ground beneath Shimrra.

Of course lightning bends away from the Vong, consider them like large ysalamiri. It's a force attack. Only lightning that works is emerald lightning.

Bloody hell, a force crush doesn't work on the Vong...and since when has a Force User collapsed the ground beneath someone?

Yeah, it would be a hellofalot of ground to break to actually make an impact. Something tells me no one is gonna stand and wait for something like that to happen...

Bane has beastly physical strength, but Shimrra has more. Same goes for speed. We all saw what happened when Bane fought against a new lightsaber style, he got his ass kicked. Against someone who physically outclasses him with a style he never could have thought of, who he can't attack with the force, or even sense, and has the skill to take on NJO Luke... Bane dies.

Force Crush would not work! If you can't fling Yuuzhan Vong around with a push or a pull, then you're not going to crush them by the same method!

Likewise, the Force is meant to be a subtle thing. At the most, we have people flinging lightning and energy bolts and knocking people flat with thrown objects or picking them up and flinging the person themselves.

We have instances where it goes beyond this- such as the manipulation of solar flares and stars- but that is with the aid of special equipment.

Otherwise, you don't really see people performing feats such as 'obliterating the ground beneath them!' What are they, Earth Benders from Avatar? Sorcerers from fantasy novels? No.

Lightning may work against the Vong, as I recall it being explained as the Force manipulating particles in the air, rather than a manifestation of the Force itself. I don't know if it's been attempted on any Vong, though, other than Luke's green death, so don't quote me.

Doesn't force crush, force push and all of those powers work by pushing the air particles towards your opponent at really high speeds?

And Rex: Bane, Luke, Kyp, Revan and Sidious as well as a few others have all displayed that kind of power without amulets and technology, and considering Bane was able to collapse the entire 20 foot tall Rakatan Temple with an attack, collapsing the ground beneath Shimrra wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Bane has beastly physical strength, but Shimrra has more.

Even if he has more, it's not by much. Bane was 'a mountain of muscle', was trained to use the force to augment his physical strength, was damn strong with the force, and thus could do this to great effect, and on top of all that, his orbalisk armour constantly keeps his muscles pumping and flexed, as well as strengthened, and the adrenaline and darkside energies constantly pumped into his body would make him all the more stronger. I highly doubt that Shimrra was even stronger period, and even if he is, it's not by much.



Are you crazy? We've already been through this. Bane was able to move at speeds faster than the eyes of trained force users could see; so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for everyone else, and he was able to do it at the end of a long and tiring duel. This is before BotS, where he grows about ten times stronger with the force (the extent of force speed and strength in the force are pretty much directly proportional), and gains the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps him with adrenaline, as well as darkside energies, and constantly strengthens his muscles, which would make him much faster.



Against Kas'im... Kas'im is pretty much the best lightsaber duelist ever, his mastery is too damn high for him to not have used Bane's disadvantage against an unfamiliar form against him, and this was before Bane grew much more powerful. It makes sense that Kas'im would have kicked his ass, in that situation, and he would have done the same to Luke.



False.



Means little if Bane just uses his superior skill to not allow Shimrra to use his weapon, and overpowers him in seconds.



He can attack indirectly, and still use the force to augment his abilities.



He can still use precognition.



Lumiya performed better against a stronger Luke under similar conditions. Can she defeat Bane? Is she even uber? Almost beating an exhausted and wounded Luke with every advantage there is on your side is really not that impressive; Bane would have tooled Luke in that position.

Originally posted by allfg
Even if he has more, it's not by much. Bane was 'a mountain of muscle', was trained to use the force to augment his physical strength, was damn strong with the force, and thus could do this to great effect, and on top of all that, his orbalisk armour constantly keeps his muscles pumping and flexed, as well as strengthened, and the adrenaline and darkside energies constantly pumped into his body would make him all the more stronger. I highly doubt that Shimrra was even stronger period, and even if he is, it's not by much.
Are you mad? the greatest human is NOTHING....maybe HALF of the strongest Yuuzhan Vong...humans are relatively very weak physically to other alien races in SW. Moreover, Shimrra's been biologically enhanced to hell and back and he was far from average to begin with



Yeah, the same goes for Shimrra.
And stop lying: BOTS takes place right after PoD



Luke>Kas'im by a huge margin. Luke would absolutely butcher Kas'im in a straight fight. Can Kas'im defeat armies on practically his own? No.



Says you



This is funny



Still won't be enough...nothing with the force effects the Vong unless you're on their level-Bane can't be



Doesn't work with the Vong



Actually yeah, she'd kick Bane's ass.

Luke was still fighting so hard his saber appeared as twenty moving at once...an exhausted Luke would still> 90 percent of the SW Galaxy

Source and quote, please?



1. Bane's as strong as a human can get; 'a mountain of muscle.'
2. He's trained to use the darkside to enhance his strength. He's incredibly strong with the force, he would be able to do this to incredible effect. I mean, think about how quick he was able to make himself with the force, I'm sure he'd be able to do the same to his strength to the same degree.
3. His orbalisk armour strengthens his muscles, and keeps them constantly pumped. They orbalisks also inject darkside energies into his body, which can be channeled into his muscles, and used to augment his strength even further. They also constantly pump Bane with adrenaline, which would make him even stronger.

Those are 5 different pieces of evidence pointing to Bane having strength on the next level, can you please provide actual proof that Shimrra's natural strength as well as the bioengineering compares? If anything, Bane's at least close to him in strength, and since when was strength the be all end all of versus matches?



Elaborate. Passage. Quote. Page Number.



I'm not lying, I didn't deny that it takes place straight after PoD, but the feat I'm referring to happens midway through PoD, about a year before BotS. And even then, Bane goes through a major power surge after receiving Nadd's holocron.



In a swordfight? Luke's probably only just better, and not by a huge margin. And did Luke defeat armies on practically his own? Source, and could you quote the passage it happens in, as well as supply a page number. And please elaborate.



Erm, excuse me, but don't you have your own argument to get to? Quit being greedy Trousersnake, you have your argument, let Jolly Jimbo have his.



Do you like actually not know how to read or something? Bane can still use the force to attack Vong with the surroundings, or just improve his own physical attributes with the force.



You moron, yes it does. Precognition is independent on Force Sense; a jedi not being able to sense a Vong's movements in no way affects their glimpses into the future.



LOL!



LMAO, I know what you're trying to say, but you do realise that that 10% leaves quite a lot of room for people who an exhausted Luke isn't stronger than, right?
Anyways, Bane would tool Luke under the conditions that he faced Shimrra and Lumiya, don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by allfg
Source and quote, please?



1. Bane's as strong as a human can get; 'a mountain of muscle.'
2. He's trained to use the darkside to enhance his strength. He's incredibly strong with the force, he would be able to do this to incredible effect. I mean, think about how quick he was able to make himself with the force, I'm sure he'd be able to do the same to his strength to the same degree.
3. His orbalisk armour strengthens his muscles, and keeps them constantly pumped. They orbalisks also inject darkside energies into his body, which can be channeled into his muscles, and used to augment his strength even further. They also constantly pump Bane with adrenaline, which would make him even stronger.
bother to read the NJO, Guide to Alien species?

And wow...Vong still> Him because humans are never more than half the strength of Nom Anor, apparently

Wowiee....can he stand against the strongest of a strong race whose politicians exceed humans for power by twice as much when Shimrra's the strongest? How much IS Bane amplified, now?



Find
It.
Yourself.



As that holocron no longer exists,-thanks PoD and Evil Never Dies!- no worries



TUF, moron. Luke clears out most levels on his own. And Luke firmly pwns Bane. Sorry



Y'know, if you weren't so criminally stupid, this'd mean somethingg



Sure he can. Sure he can



Whoops, sorry. Never worked in the NJO



Laughing at how much you fail? I quite agree



*yawn* Keep thinking it fanboy.
Luke owns Bane any day of the week. So do Palpatine, exar, Yoda, Mace, Kyp, Jacen, Jaina, Corran, Ragnos, Ulic, Nomi and probably others.

Go away

Ok, I'm done. Clearly such terms like 'elaborate' and 'source' have flown compeltely over your head, oh well. And again, I'm loving these nasty PMs. I mean really, do you not have anything better to do than constantly insulting me via PM?

Clearly things like 'you're not worth it' have flown over yours. You lie and twists sources as you see fit.

Noobaris, Lightsnake has better things to do than send you PMs. You already look like a fool with your shitty arguments, don't embarass yourself further by lying. And Lightsnake, physical manifestations of the force CAN affect the Vong, but I don't see this being a deciding factor against Shimrra.

Seriously though, putting all this N00baris BS aside, Shimrra crushes Bane. End of Story.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Seriously though, putting all this N00baris BS aside, Shimrra crushes Bane. End of Story.

Bot Bayne iz teh purfect! He iz teh moost powrfull Sithe ever!!!111!!!

Originally posted by Gideon
Bot Bayne iz teh purfect! He iz teh moost powrfull Sithe ever!!!111!!!

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Noobaris, Lightsnake has better things to do than send you PMs. You already look like a fool with your shitty arguments, don't embarass yourself further by lying. And Lightsnake, physical manifestations of the force CAN affect the Vong, but I don't see this being a deciding factor against Shimrra.

No, No, actually I did PM him in pure anger and frustration, but that's neither here nor there.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we seen force lightning simply arch away from the Vong?

LOL, you're actually admitting to getting angry over an internet forum?
L.O.S.E.R.



Corrected, you're wrong.

Lmao. I've never seen or heard from someone who was so unanimously hated by his entire environment. I mean, jeez, at least Hitler got respect for being a helluva an orator and "a great leader". You can't manage to get any respect on a frickin' internet forum.

From now on, the word "loser" will be used interchangably with "Noobaris".

Ex: Oh, Bob, you're such a Noobaris.

Ex #2: Well, some are born winners, and others are born Noobarises.

Ex #3: "Noobaris" by 3 Doors Down is a great song.

Force lightning DOES arch away from the Vong. It's the same effect that it would get from the ysalamari, so I don't know what youre babbling about clown. Keep in mind that we're talking about force lightning, not Luke's emerald shitstain.

Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao. I've never seen or heard from someone who was so unanimously hated by his entire environment. I mean, jeez, at least Hitler got respect for being a helluva an orator and "a great leader". You can't manage to get any respect on a frickin' internet forum.

From now on, the word "looser" will be used interchangably with "Noobaris".

Ex: Oh, Bob, you're such a Noobaris.

Ex #2: Well, some are born winners, and others are born Noobarises.

Ex #3: "Noobaris" by 3 Doors Down is a great song.

lolz, I'm better than you because I'm liked on the interweb!!!

Actually judging by your posts, I doubt you're even liked in real life, which is why you keep coming back here and getting pwned, after being banned over and over again.

Originally posted by allfg
Doesn't force crush, force push and all of those powers work by pushing the air particles towards your opponent at really high speeds?

And Rex: Bane, Luke, Kyp, Revan and Sidious as well as a few others have all displayed that kind of power without amulets and technology, and considering Bane was able to collapse the entire 20 foot tall Rakatan Temple with an attack, collapsing the ground beneath Shimrra wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

Um, no, not at all. It's not 'Force Wind,' it's a telekinetic power. When you manipulate something with the Force, you're manipulating the thing itself, not whisking it around with a miniature hurricane. Like I said, this isn't magic.

That's a building, a structure; all structures have weak points. The ground is not a structure, it is a solid, constant thing. Even if you dent the ground, there's more ground under it. Dig a few feet...still, more ground. Entirely different than collapsing a building.

Meanwhile, another warning to you for bashing and derailing this thread with personal vendettas...

Rex wtf are you smoking, we're all waiting for the ban.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Rex wtf are you smoking, we're all waiting for the ban.

I'm waiting for it like Christmas morning.

shimrra fcuks bane with his deformed demonised-d!ick