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Anakin Killed Mace in the video game in a lightsaber duel so he win this one

Well, Mace does say that Anakin could possibly be the strongest Jedi ever (ROTS novel) and Anakin beat Dooku so he actually has a good chance against Mace, though I've always thought that Mace could take him because of Vaapad, it's good against Dark Siders, right? So he could probably take Anakin, in a very, very close duel.

Anakin.

Mace.

Lol at the last 2 posts.

I can't call a winner on this one.

Mace and his shatterpoint.

Mace isn't used to fighting someone who actually has more raw power than he does. Mace has Shatterpoint, but, it took Obi Wan 15 minutes and a terrain advantage to find his opening against Anakin. Either Mace's ferocious Vaapad will hold off Anakin long enough for Mace to find a Shatterpoint, or, he will be struck down just moments before he can. Either way, tough fight.

I don't think Anakin is going to be able to take down Mace. He might have more raw power, but the saber experience and overall experience goes to Mace. Not to mention the intelligence and patience advantages all belong to Mace.

Dooku had all those attributes you just stated over Anakin (probably to a higher degree as well) yet he still got pwned, behanded and beheaded.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Dooku had all those attributes you just stated over Anakin (probably to a higher degree as well) yet he still got pwned, behanded and beheaded.

Except Dooku was arrogant, impatient, and didnt have Shatterpoint.

Arrogant yes, but its not really a duelling fault unless his arrogance stopped him from killing Anakin when he had the chance. Unfortunately for the Count that chance never arised.
I dont see why he is impatient. Besides, even if he was this would hardly cost him the match.
Shatterpoint does not automatically mean Mace wins.

Dooku was simply outclassed by Skywalker. Mace is roughly equal to Dooku, therefore (among other factors) Windu is not going to win. Anakin 'in the zone' is just too good.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Arrogant yes, but its not really a duelling fault unless his arrogance stopped him from killing Anakin when he had the chance. Unfortunately for the Count that chance never arised.
I dont see why he is impatient. Besides, even if he was this would hardly cost him the match.
Shatterpoint does not automatically mean Mace wins.

Dooku was simply outclassed by Skywalker. Mace is roughly equal to Dooku, therefore (among other factors) Windu is not going to win. Anakin 'in the zone' is just too good.

Except Mace's Vaapad and Shatterpoint put him above Dooku in the saber category. Not automatically but he's likely more powerful than Dooku with those two things.

Why is Windu automatically better, then the Count with Vaapad and Shatterpoint, Dooku has mastered the ultimate lightsaber to lightsaber style and is more experienced.

The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his blade work was malice made visible-wickedness cut in red light.

This is from Dark Rendezvous where Mace already has Vaapad and Shatterpoint.

In a lightsaber match only, Anakin takes this, but in overall, if mace can use Force powers, he wins.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Why is Windu automatically better, then the Count with Vaapad and Shatterpoint, Dooku has mastered the ultimate lightsaber to lightsaber style and is more experienced.
Ultimate? anakins djem so smashed dookus "ultimate" makashi to pieces. And vaapad is above makashi

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It would be really tough for Anakin, but, as he gets into it he will just become stronger and stronger, to a point where Mace just can't quite keep up.

Mace could tell Anakin that he is beginning to give into his rage, and Anakin may temporarily stop (maybe even reducing Mace's Vaapad effectiveness), but, after that, and he sees Mace coming at him, he'll hold nothing back, and either
-A: Mace's Vaapad will reflect that hatred back at Anakin, and hold him off long enough for Mace to find a Shatterpoint.
-B: Mace's Vaapad will reflect that hatred back at Anakin, and, it still simply won't be enough.

At first thought I want to say Mace, but, Mace seemed to match Dooku (or they were close, at least), during the Clone Wars, (and there's the quote that Count Makashi provided for us), and Anakin made short work of Dooku. I guess I'll go with this: Mace would win if there are any advantages to be had at all in setting. Anakin would beat him after a very close match blade for blade, on even ground.

Originally posted by laser7455
Anakin Killed Mace in the video game in a lightsaber duel so he win this one

Oh yes! The outcomes in the video game are there not because of the skill of the player but the actual abilities of the characters! How could I have forgotten?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
um......

DS, your hesistance is making me randy.

Originally posted by laser7455
Anakin Killed Mace in the video game in a lightsaber duel so he win this one
An advice: never trust Game Mehanics. It can deceive you.

Mace is possibly slighty better then Anakin in Saber Skills. Even Darth Sidious could not penetrate his defenses and Sidious uses the same Form that Yoda uses, which is "Ataru".

its juyo + ataru actually

Mace is not better then Anakin lightsaber combat, Mace is somewhere on level of Dooku.

Not saying I disagree, but why?

The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible-wickedness cut in red light.

This is from Dark Rendezvous.

I know, you've said that, but that doesn't really mean they are equal, it says "possibly" and it is also not a canon source unless you prove it! Is it the author that says it, or a character? Seeing as Anakin was beyond Dooku in swordsmanship, I have a hard time seeing that quote as proof, more of an opinion....

It is the author who says it, not the Count and this is months before ROTS where Anakin isn't as strong as in the movie. At this point Dooku could still be better then Anakin, Anakin advances very quickly, advances in a month more, then most(average potential) in years. So the quote can be right, at the time of Dark Rendezvus.
And it means that Mace is possibly Dookus equal, it is implied that Dooku is better. In this book is said that Dooku is Yodas most accomplished student and before you say what about Anakin, he was Cin Dralligs student not Yodas.

If it is months before, then Mace could easily have grown stronger as well. To back this up, only some weeks (at most) before ROTS, Mace Windu forced Dooku into a retreat, at the time of ROTS, Mace Windu bested Dooku's master in a saber duel. Didn't we say Sidious and Anakin would have a tough saber fight?


How does the author have the authority to judge who is better out of Mace and Dooku? The quote didn't even seem reliable, it was more of a guess. "Perhaps only Mace Windu could....", that doesn't point towards Dooku being superior, it states that they don't know if Mace could or not. He could easily be better.....

Honestly, this could go either way. Anakin definitely has the skills to beat Mace, and Mace is just damn good. Anakin is easily as good as Mace in saber combat, but Mace has an edge in experience and force abilities. That said Anakin's pure raw power is a huge factor as well, as it was with Dooku. Anakin could beat anyone save for Sidious and Yoda in a full out fight as of ROTS, and both those people could lose to him in saber combat. This is hard, could go either way, but I'm leaning towards Anakin slightly.

This would be a epic battle one for the ages. Now if Anakin is on his game Mace would definately need to fight as hard as he can and then ome in my opinion who ever makes the first mistake would lose.

1.Originally posted by kamikz
If it is months before, then Mace could easily have grown stronger as well. To back this up, only some weeks (at most) before ROTS, Mace Windu forced Dooku into a retreat, at the time of ROTS, Mace Windu bested Dooku's master in a saber duel. Didn't we say Sidious and Anakin would have a tough saber fight?


2.How does the author have the authority to judge who is better out of Mace and Dooku? The quote didn't even seem reliable, it was more of a guess. "Perhaps only Mace Windu could....", that doesn't point towards Dooku being superior, it states that they don't know if Mace could or not. He could easily be better.....

1.No it dosnt, Mace and Dooku have achived ther full potential, while Anakin is far from it. Dooku and Mace cant get any stronger, only learn new tehniqes and that is only in Force powers,
Dooku ran away, because the Jedi wore regruping, if he had stayed longer Anakin would have atacked him too.

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=108
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=109
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=111

2.Don't Authors have to check with George Lucas if everything is all right, before they publish their books and comics.
And the quote means that Mace is perhaps his equal, but probably Dooku is still little better.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
1.

1.No it dosnt, Mace and Dooku have achived ther full potential, while Anakin is far from it. Dooku and Mace cant get any stronger, only learn new tehniqes and that is only in Force powers,
Dooku ran away, because the Jedi wore regruping, if he had stayed longer Anakin would have atacked him too.

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=108
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=109
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=47&page=111

2.Don't Authors have to check with George Lucas if everything is all right, before they publish their books and comics.
And the quote means that Mace is perhaps his equal, but probably Dooku is still little better.



Oh really? Find me the quote saying both are at their full potential and can't get any better. I doubt you can....


No, Dooku ran because he was afraid of dying. Either way, if he ran because there was a 50% chance, or that he was going to lose, Dooku said himself that he WANTED to face jedi, and Obi and Anakin were already fighting Assaj and Dooku had lost of droids around him.


No it doesn't. That quote doesn't even specify how close they are. It just says that Mace is possibly his equal? So? Could mean he is possibly better to....


And for your info, we have debated Anakin vs Sids and come up with a very close match, however, Anakin pwned Dooku's ass hard, and Mace defeated Sidious. I'm not gonna argue A>B>C entirely, but in this case it is actually pretty valuable, seeing as there are no specific reasons to why Dooku shouldn't lose where Sidious lost.


Advantages for Dooku. (Saber battle only of course)
Experience.
I think he has had more experience in duelling people, though I cannot be sure.

Advantages for Mace. (Saber battle only of course)
Vaapad. (Dooku cannot handle to much kinetic power, which Mace style is very, very good at delivering. Is also effective against dark siders.)
Youth.
Strenght.
Speed.
Shatterpoint.

As you see, Dooku's "ultimate saber duelling style" isn't that good when confronted head on by to overwhealming strikes and kinetic power. Mace delivers this as good as any.
Dooku couldn't handle Anakin's speed, Mace in Shatterpoint, is stated to be invisible because he was so damn fast.
If the fight is going on for a long time, Mace will sense his shatterpoint, thus defeating him.

What advantages does Dooku have? A quote saying he strikes fast?

Guys, just because Anakin wtfpwned Dooku does not mean he can take Mace! Mace in comparison to Dooku is 360& better than Dooku, he was just severely overestimated.
Dooku was lucky he made it to episode 3, so killing him does not say anything. It's like Jango shooting a random jedi loser! And guess what, Mace also killed him!

.... Plo Koon sucks.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Mace is not better then Anakin lightsaber combat, Mace is somewhere on level of Dooku. Um yes mace is, vaapad/juyo is stated to be the greatest form i think. and mace is far above dooku in saber combat

I have always thought Mace was one the most superior in sabre fighting (Movie timeline)
False rumors?

Originally posted by kamikz
Oh really? Find me the quote saying both are at their full potential and can't get any better. I doubt you can....


No, Dooku ran because he was afraid of dying. Either way, if he ran because there was a 50% chance, or that he was going to lose, Dooku said himself that he WANTED to face jedi, and Obi and Anakin were already fighting Asayy and Dooku had lost of droids around him.


No it doesn't. That quote doesn't even specify how close they are. It just says that Mace is possibly his equal? So? Could mean he is possibly better to....


And for your info, we have debated Anakin vs Sids and come up with a very close match, however, Anakin pwned Dooku's ass hard, and Mace defeated Sidious. I'm not gonna argue A>B>C entirely, but in this case it is actually pretty valuable, seeing as there are no specific reasons to why Dooku shouldn't lose where Sidious lost.


Advantages for Dooku. (Saber battle only of course)
Experience.
I think he has had more experience in duelling people, though I cannot be sure.

Advantages for Mace. (Saber battle only of course)
Vaapad. (Dooku cannot handle to much kinetic power, which Mace style is very, very good at delivering. Is also effective against dark siders.)
Youth.
Strenght.
Speed.
Shatterpoint.

As you see, Dooku's "ultimate saber duelling style" isn't that good when confronted head on by to overwhealming strikes and kinetic power. Mace delivers this as good as any.
Dooku couldn't handle Anakin's speed, Mace in Shatterpoint, is stated to be invisible because he was so damn fast.
If the fight is going on for a long time, Mace will sense his shatterpoint, thus defeating him.

What advantages does Dooku have? A quote saying he strikes fast?

They wore already old, especially Dooku, how more powerful could they get, maybe if they lived 900 years as Yoda did, then yes, they could become a lot more powerful, but they wore humans, they would reach maximum 100 years old. Qui-Gon was in his 60 and the age was getting to him.

He ran because he knew, that it wouldn't take Anakin and Obi-Wan to long to defeat Asajj and then he could face all 3 of them.

Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground.
It says that perhaps he would be his equal, but he is not sure if mace is equal to Dooku.

Mace only defeated him in lightsaber match, without the Force.
I would put Dookus lightsaber skills above Sidious, he stalemated Yoda and Sidious didn't use the lightsaber for 13 years, he also didn't like it, while it was Dookus favorite.

Why are youth and speed Mace advantages. Dooku stalemated Yoda, the fastest Jedi, he had no trouble with his speed and it was said that age has no affect on the Count, his age was newer a weakens.
And Dooku defeated Mace in the past, before he mastered Vaapad, but he did master some other style, before he created Vaapad.

We never see Mace moving so fast in the movies. Anakin defeated Mace because of his superior skill, if it was only because of his stile, then anyone can defeat the Count, like some 13 year old padawan, just because his style uses more kinetic energy.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
They wore already old, especially Dooku, how more powerful could they get, maybe if they lived 900 years as Yoda did, then yes, they could become a lot more powerful, but they wore humans, they would reach maximum 100 years old. Qui-Gon was in his 60 and the age was getting to him. So? age was getting to yoda and it didnt effect him


Originally posted by Count Makashi

Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground.
It says that perhaps he would be his equal, but he is not sure if mace is equal to Dooku. And believe me, mace saber skills are far beyond dooku
Originally posted by Count Makashi

Mace only defeated him in lightsaber match, without the Force.
I would put Dookus lightsaber skills above Sidious, he stalemated Yoda and Sidious didn't use the lightsaber for 13 years, he also didn't like it, while it was Dookus favorite. Dookus saber skills above sidious? what the fcuk are you saying? Clearly dooku ran from yoda and sidious stalemated yoda when being out-of-practise for 13 years, and sidious pwned 3 jedi masters very quickly and during the TPM era, he could move faster than the eye can see, sidious > dookus makashi sadly
Originally posted by Count Makashi

Why are youth and speed Mace advantages. Dooku stalemated Yoda, the fastest Jedi,LOL! when did dooku ever stalemated yoda? he ran away remember!

Originally posted by Count Makashi

he had no trouble with his speed and it was said that age has no affect on the Count, his age was newer a weakens.
And Dooku defeated Mace in the past, Yea dooku defeated mace before mace even mastered the basics of Form VII juyo and vaapad form which put sidious on his ass.



Originally posted by Count Makashi

We never see Mace moving so fast in the movies. Anakin defeated Mace because of his superior skill,
Anakin attackes mace when mace was disteratced focusing on killing sidious, anakin NEVER dueled mace, the game may show this but the movie DID NOT, and movies are higher canon
Originally posted by Count Makashi

if it was only because of his stile, then anyone can defeat the Count, like some 13 year old padawan, just because his style uses more kinetic energy. And djem so and vaapad creates ALOT more kinetic energy

Originally posted by Count Makashi
They wore already old, especially Dooku, how more powerful could they get, maybe if they lived 900 years as Yoda did, then yes, they could become a lot more powerful, but they wore humans, they would reach maximum 100 years old. Qui-Gon was in his 60 and the age was getting to him.

He ran because he knew, that it wouldn't take Anakin and Obi-Wan to long to defeat Asajj and then he could face all 3 of them.

Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground.
It says that perhaps he would be his equal, but he is not sure if mace is equal to Dooku.

Mace only defeated him in lightsaber match, without the Force.
I would put Dookus lightsaber skills above Sidious, he stalemated Yoda and Sidious didn't use the lightsaber for 13 years, he also didn't like it, while it was Dookus favorite.

Why are youth and speed Mace advantages. Dooku stalemated Yoda, the fastest Jedi, he had no trouble with his speed and it was said that age has no affect on the Count, his age was newer a weakens.
And Dooku defeated Mace in the past, before he mastered Vaapad, but he did master some other style, before he created Vaapad.

We never see Mace moving so fast in the movies. Anakin defeated Mace because of his superior skill, if it was only because of his stile, then anyone can defeat the Count, like some 13 year old padawan, just because his style uses more kinetic energy.


Again, tell me where it says they were already at full potential. Luke is already way over Mace's age, he is "still getting stronger", I don't see how Mace couldn't...


Proof? He didn't worry at all about either Anakin nor Obi-Wan, they were fighting Assaj AND Dooku had alot of droids neraby. I'd say Dooku knew fully well that he could lose this match.


It says Mace is possibly his equal. Does this mean he must either be lesser than Dooku or equal? No, he could be above him as well....


What's the difference? This is a saber match, he defeated Sidious in a saber match.
And I'd put Sidious equal or above Dooku, he has mastered ALL the styles and has a higher force connection than Dooku.
And Dooku did not stalemate Yoda, he got utterly toyed by him. Even on the dark side planet where it said possibly no jedi was equal to Dooku, Yoda still defeated him, even when he had to save someone using the force, and fighting Dooku AT THE SAME TIME! Yoda is way above Dooku, Yoda and Mace are considered very close....


No, Dooku did not stalemate Yoda, he ran.
Mace is so fast he is invisible, that is said in Shatterpoint. Nowhere does Dooku reach that speed unless you prove it. Hell, Vaapad was even compared to Luke's style in speed....
It has even MORE kinetic power than Anakin's style, so how would Dooku stand a chance when he didn't against Anakin?
The Count's age WAS a burden. In his normal state enhanced with the force he had the strenght of a 40 year old, when bashed down by Anakin the years came back to him, same deal here....


And you do realise that the Mace that Dooku HAD defeated (it didn't say that happened every time, he bested him once from what we knew, hell, Mace could've bested Yoda at one point, doesn't prove anything) was actually about equal to Darth Maul? Mace wasn't even NEAR the Mace of ROTS, not even near.....



When the **** did Anakin beat Mace? Nowhere...
You judge the actors, not the characters....
And for crying out loud, don't you get that Mace is one of if not THE best user of such kinetic force in the whole order? It ain't ****ing comparable to a 13 year old damn padawan.

Was all of this stated in the ROTS novelization?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Was all of this stated in the ROTS novelization?

Most of it, yep.

Mace would win, but not easy

In all out fight Mace would win, but in lightsaber only Anakin would win, after a long fight.

Though would Mace force powers make such a difference? I mean, he isn't even THAT offensive. Dooku's force powers are still way above Anakin's int technique, control and offense, Anakin still defeated him pretty bad...

Yea, but Dooku didn't even try any to use Force powers on Anakin, he probably wanted to shove he is a better swordsman, i don't think that Mace will be worrying about that.

Yea he is. I read/heard somewhere that one of the main reasons that Mace resented Anakin was because at his age, he had progresses further than Mace, and he thought he was too big for his britches. So i think Mace would want to try to humble Anakin by showing superior saber skills, which could do through Vapaad since it lets you tap into darkside regions without giving in to them. I think that if Anakin is in his clear mind state, just about anyone would end up like Dooku. All he would have to do would be to decide. What offensive force powers has Mace shown besides crush when he crushed GG's throat/chest? At least Anakin likes to choke people more often than not, and he doesn't like Mace anyway, so why not choke the shit out of him?

I don't think Anakin has the necessary skills to kill Master Windu.

But this is Anakin, he hasn't got Dark Side powers and hasn't mastered Force powers.
Maybe Mace would try to humble him in a practice match, but i don't think that he would try to do that in a life to death fight, i think he is beyond that.

If Anakin was in the "zone" he could best Mace in saber combat...all out fight...Mace wins...

Never portray what happens in a video game to be the truth. Anakin and Mace would have an EXTREMELY close fight. Mace is the leader of the Jedi Council, and has some of the best saber, force, and hand-to-hand combat techniques ever seen. Anakin has a fantastic use of the force and is the best duelists ever. I have to say it's too close to call.

who's talking about a VG? I'm saying if Anakin is in the zone like he was with Dooku, then he could beat Mace, in an all out fight it would be close, but Mace could win. But Anakin is much faster than Windu and looks much better on his feet, and is still incredibly strong, and half his age. I know that cuts back on experience, but the physical attributes go to Skywalker.

Anakin in the zone, like against Dooku with ligtsabers only would probably win, but in overall fight, Mace has a better chance of wining, he can use his better Force powers and terrain, he can fight smarter then Dooku, who had a point to prove to himself.

Mace against Darth Vader? (Pre-suit Anakin)

Mace, defiantly.

Mace against Anakin? (Anakin before becoming all pissed-off and messed up)

Anakin, by the skin of his teeth.

Anakin would hand Mace his ass.

Hmm... it would be a very, very long & close duel, but i think (though im still not quite sure) i think Mace beats Anakin thanx to his Shatterpoint and Vaapad abilities.

Anakin would win in a saber contest.

um...if only a saber fight, it is very close. But I think Anakin have a little bit more chance to win...

Anakin would take this, i get the Vaapad argument but that alone is not enough for Mace to beat a younger stronger Anakin. If Anakin fought the way he did against Dooku, the result would not be much different. Lucas has said,"Yoda and Mace can hang with Sidious." And has also said ROTS Anakin was "as strong" as him.

In a saber fight, it would be close, but in a all out fight, I give Mace a little greater chance of winning.

Pure lightsaber fight goes to Darth Emo.

Anakin in teh zone may win

Just out of curiousity, what makes everyone think that an Anakin who is calm and focused would be able to beat anyone? It seems just like speculation to me, seeing as we've never seen him calm in a fight. In fact, his Djem So taps into his unpredictable emotions to power it.

He did so with Dooku. Thats his "in teh z0nE" mode as people like to call it around here, in most cases he would be virtually unstoppable. He reduced one on the best Jedi and an even greater Sith, to a joke in a matter of seconds.

He wasn't that calm during his duel. He tapped into his angerm fueling his Djem So, didn't he?

But he was always clear headed and in control of his emotions, unlike his duel with OB1 where his emotions were in control of him. Thats the difference. The novel goes into detail how he was always in control and all he had to do was decide to win, and he would.

This is a very tough fight for Anakin. Depending on what both combatants can use, this fight may go on for a while. In the end Master Windu may win.

In that fight Anakin simply allowed himself to win by using his "gift of rage" as Dooku put it, and dropped the emotionless act.

Gideon said that Anakin could beat anyone in the movies in a lightsaber battle short of special or exenuating circumstances.

He is right.

I think this is a very, very close match, but it goes to Anakin. Mace's Vaapad and Shatterpoint may not prove enough against Anakin's raw power. He's Vaapad may sure help, but I don't think it gives him enough time to find the Shatterpoint. Though, Anakin has an extremely difficult time taking him out.

Vaapad wont help at all if this is light side Anakin...

I know, I'm talking about Dark Sider Anakin.

ahhh...