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Takes place in the Invisable Hand Hanger. All clones have all of their equipment.

The jedi are to outnumbered to win.

Cody, Bly and Bacarra are all Clone Commanders who have lots of Battle Experience and have received ARC Trooper Training. Each alone is just a little ways behind Jango Fett. Kenobi had a stalemate with Fett (probably would have won if it hadn't been for Boba, though) but it's still unlikely that he could take out 2 of the Commanders at once and he definately couldn't take out all 3 of them. Delta Squad is incredible, a team of destruction, they could possibly take out Maul, though Maul's a beast, and there's a chance that he could take them. So lets say Kenobi fights 2 of the Commanders and Maul takes on Delta Squad and anotehr of the Commanders. Kenobi manages to win after a long fight, Maul loses after a long fight but manages to take out one or two of the Clones. But Kenobi is tired and possibly injured from his previous fight and dies.

Hmm... id say the Clones take this.... though pretty much a very tough fight for them

AOTC Kenobi fought Jango without using the Force on Jango, it depends on the terrain, in a open area, the Clones win, but in terrain with cover and debree the duo has a good chance of wining, if they play it smart, the duo in a right terrain can also throw stuff at the Clones, if Clones trow grenades the duo can just use The Force to launch it back.

If Kenobi's force powers would have done any good on Jango he would've used them. It's not like he wouldn't want to use them I believe...

He needed him alive, in this fight he doesn't.

But jedi doesn't use the force to kill.

Jango was flying with his jet pack, if Kenobi disabled it with the Force, Jango could have fall over the ledge, like he did in the movies when Kenobi kicked him and die, or Force push him. They wore fighting in an area with no protection, if you fall.

They use the force to kill if they absolutely have to. If killing someone with the force is between a Jedi living or dying, he'd probably use the force. Plus, in Rots when Yoda and Obi are in the temple being attacked by the clones, they use the force then.

Yea i agree, and look what Mace did to GG, twice.

First of all, if Kenobi could've disabled Jango's jetpack, he would've. He could've done it before Jango even was of the edge, and Jango would have to surrender. That is obvious.
And a force push cannot kill Jango. His armour is among the strongest in the universe, he won't be killed by that, not even wounded.


And no, jedi do NOT kill with the force even if they have to. They do not choke or crush a living being, at least not a jedi like Obi-Wan Kenobi. They can push, but that is hardly killing someone, especially Jango Fett who won't budge an inch by falling to the ground....





....... I can't believe you are comparing Mace Windu to AOTC Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I didn't mean like that, I mean a example, when Jedi use the Force to kill an opponent, Mace crushed GG lung, that is prety extreme and he used the Force to drop the STAF on GG and you think if someone tried to shot lets say Yoda and Yodas only chance would be to Force push him of a clip killing him, you think he wouldn't do it?
And for Kenobi, i didn't mean he kills him with Force Push, but he moves him enough, that Jango falls over and dies because of the fall.

If jedi use terrain yes. But what terrain was there for Obi-Wan to use? Jango has a jetpack, it will be useless to try to push him out from the platform. Nothing indicates that they can remove/disable his jetpack with the force either, he could've done so immedietly if that was the case, and so could Mace, or Dooku or any of the jedi attacking the mandalorians.

And when Mace crashed GG lung, haw whas that use of terrain

Prove Obi-Wan can perform a force crush.
Mace maybe barley even knew Greivous was not all droid, after all Grievous is about 95% droid, it wouldn't go against the jedi code to kill someone with the force like that.
And if Obi-Wan could've used the force on Jango like that, HE WOULD HAVE! Why would he only be capable of crushing his jetpack if he wanted to kill him? He could have done it any time just to prevent him from flying away, thus disarming him easily on the ground. Your logic fails.
It's the same as to say that Obi didn't really want to help Qui-Gon against Maul, because he didn't use force speed to run up to them, but instead ran in his normal speed....


No offense if it came out offensivley!

How about in ROTS when he drooped something on 4 magnaguards before facing GG, he crushed it first, so that it could drop.
And Mace crushed a lung, a living organism, which supported life to concise living person.
Obi-Wan was probably tired by this stage, or if he used it it would drain some of his energy needed to face Maul.

No wories.

Yeah, in ROTS where he had grown immensly in power. Also, that was metal, not a human body, a jedi does not crush a human body, that much is clear. If crushing human bodies was ok, then Anakin crushing that guy in the CW cartoons wouldn't be a token of his closing of the dark side. Obi-Wan will not crush Jango, and his jetpack, well it is possible that he couldn't focus on it whilst Jango was flying away, as all the other jedi Jango has faced hasn't crushed it...

Mace Windu is also much closer to the dark than any other jedi in the order, not afraid to attack with the force (unlike Kenobi). He also hurt Grievous who is more robot than man, which would be like hurting a droid really.

I agree on the first one, i never said he will crush Jango but in second, a droid(actualy a cyborg) who can still feel pain.

Yeah, but I'm not sure Mace thought of that, and he is quite offensive even in powers. But, yeah whatever.

Yea Mace is more offensive, but i hate the part when he collapses GG lungs, its to much for a Jedi, i know they needed to think with some explanation why GG coughs in the movie, but it would be better if he was shot by an ARC or something else, just not Jedi doing that to him.

Agreed!

Originally posted by kamikz
Agreed!

Whats with the bunny?

Donno.............

What

Got to go, thers a game on tv Football(soccer in USA, but its actualy Football)

Lol!


Kk, it's called Football here as well. (Soccer that is)

Maul and Kenobi take this. Kenobi has been practicing Soresu and he has deflected bolts with his hands (during the Clone Wars, but, it's not far off).

Maul would rip through these punks, too.

Yes, but this is AOTC Kenobi, he improved strongly in the Clone Wars.

I believe I accounted for that, but, I don't see why he couldn't...

Anyway, Maul eats Delta Squad then proceeds to take out whatever remaining commander there may be that Kenobi hasn't dealt with with a choke.

Uhmm, What?. Choke, Kenobi doesn't use Choke, that a Dark Side power, he is a Jedi.

I meant Maul will use choke on whoever Kenobi hasn't dealt with yet.

Oh, i agree, but the Delta squad, could offer some difficulty.

Maul beasts on chumps like them everyday.

Delta squad are very good, who do you mean, the Black Sun, none of them wore good with blasters and the same like ordinary weapon as them.

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=11&page=077

Just because the guy, i think his species are Iktochi said the 7 deadliest beings in the Galaxy, doesn't make it true.

They are Vigos. Black Sun was considered to be the most powerful organization, and you're telling me that seven of their generals (the top guys, next to their leader) putting up no contest isn't a huge feat? He could take Delta Squad pretty handily. Probably unarmed. He has survived a month with assassin droids and such.

Start at page one and read that comic, it shouldn't take long (being a Maul comic, the dialogue is sparse).

I read it already and i didnt mean, that it wasnt a huge feat, i only meant that they arent 7 dedliest persons in the Galaxy, every jedi Knight is better than one Vigo.

Well, I'll assume he was excluding Jedi, but, then again, every Jedi knight is better than one Delta member, too.

"It had been exhilarating to know that he, Darth Maul, was better in combat than his hated foes. He longed to battle one of the truly great Jedi warriors: Plo Koon, perhaps, or Mace Windu. That would be a true test of his skill. And he had no doubt that such an opportunity would come to him. His hatred of the Jedi was strong enough that it alone would bring such a confrontation into existence. "

I just like the quote. Maul's hatred is strong enough to warp the universe andbring a conflict into existince!

Not every... I remember a certain Jedi getting pwnt. by a Commando.

Dude, that Black Sun Thug only said that the Vigo's were the 7 deadliest beigns in the galaxy meaning they have the meaning they have the most kills, he never said they were the most pwoerful, and this was ebfore the time of the CW, anyways. Delta Squad tore through separatist bases, they'd destroy Black Sun HQ. The only person in the entire HQ who could offer any challenge to Delta Squad would be Mighella and I doubt she'd kill more that one of them.

I seriously doubt they have the most kills,they are very goodbut cant compare to Maul, which they couldn't.
How would the Iktochi even know they killed the most people in galaxy, is he present in every cinflict in the universe. Its just a statment, which the Iktochi thinks is wright, but only in his opinion.

Team two.

I agree, with little difficulty, but if this was ROTS Kenobi, it would be almost walk in the park.

It probably is true, remember, it's all of Black Sun combined that has the most kills, Maul's just one guy and probably doesn't have as many kills as all of Black Sun combined, plus they didn't know how many kills Maul has.

Doubtful, if it was ROTS Kenobi then he and Maul'd win with a little difficulty, Delta Squad the the ARC's are really good, they'd at least put up a bit of a fight.

But the Iktochi meant, those 7 people Maul just killed, didn't he?
And the Black Sun is a crime organization, killing people is bad for business, Maul killed someone who owed money to Black Sun and the 2 guys, wore very unhappy, they said, how will he pay us now, something like this.
ROTS Kenobi is Soreusu master, one of the best ever and Soreusu is the best style for deflecting blaster bolts.

I don't know, maybe that thug just meant those 7 which is probably wrong.

Black Sun kills all the time, undercover, of course, but they kill people, see the Medstar Duology and Shadows of the Emperor.

Yes, Kenobi is a master at blocking Blaster Bolts but the Clones have more than just blasters, you know, they will down, but it won't be a walk in the park.

Maul's everyday warmup isn't as good as Delta Squad. They're good, but the clones are horribly outmatched.

Clones vs Jedi & Sith...is this a joke?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Maul's everyday warmup isn't as good as Delta Squad. They're good, but the clones are horribly outmatched.

I agree, despite being a fan of Clones, second only to Jedi.

Why would it be? There's enough Clones to make this a good fight and, as we saw in ROTS, Clones can kill Jedi.


Maul's everyday warm-up is no where near Delta Squad. He fights how many droids again, 3 or 4? Those are just droids, yeah their pretty good but not exceptional by any means, Delta Squad is able to tear through Magnaguards, they'd have no problems what-so-ever destroying the droids that Maul does warm-ups against.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Why would it be? There's enough Clones to make this a good fight and, as we saw in ROTS, Clones can kill Jedi.


Maul's everyday warm-up is no where near Delta Squad. He fights how many droids again, 3 or 4? Those are just droids, yeah their pretty good but not exceptional by any means, Delta Squad is able to tear through Magnaguards, they'd have no problems what-so-ever destroying the droids that Maul does warm-ups against.

The Jedi wore taken by surprise, or hugely outnumbered. They didn't stand a chance. Delta Squad has never face someone as good as Maul and they don't have the Force, which Maul has, offensive powers.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
The Jedi wore taken by surprise, or hugely outnumbered. They didn't stand a chance. Delta Squad has never face someone as good as Maul and they don't have the Force, which Maul has, offensive powers.

Exactly. Obiwan & Maul just use the force & the clones would got pwn...

This thread is really a joke...

Its not a joke.

He's not going to be able to use the Force on all of them at once and while he's using it on one of them the others will be shooting at him.

I didn't mean like he kills them all with Force choke, ha can throw objects at them and use Force push, and kill one by one and if the Clones throw grenades he can just Force push them back, something like that, but he has to stay 100% concentrated.

Originally posted by darthsith19
He's not going to be able to use the Force on all of them at once and while he's using it on one of them the others will be shooting at him.

Maul could realistically replicate the feat seen at 0:31

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WDUQYc_OeVg

You sure about that? That jedi seems damn strong in the force...

Meh, about normal EU level.

That lightning looked almost like Dooku's, and that pillar he took down with one hand was huge, Maul cannot even perform lightning...

And neither can Exar Kun, right?


Maul has "far superior dark side knowledge" than someone who pulled off lightning to a pretty large degree instantly.

Seeing how Exar got so freaking much knowledge in the force (more than he could ever use), he can certainley perform it, however, Maul has not shown it anytime. Shouldn't he get use for it in some of his battles? Exar Kun never had to, he had better things to pull anyway...


Maul's strong side was never the force, that much is clear. Dark side knowledge doesn't equal dark side force powers, ceratinley not lightning.
I made a thread, and we put him about the level of Ki-Adi Mundi in the force, if he could make lightning then I still wouldn't see it fry clones through their suits, and neither could I see him pull such a large thing with ONE HAND!

I could see Maul maybe pushing them far away or throwing them around, but I cannot see him pulling them up like that in the air, like they are nothing. If that jedi really is the "normal EU jedi" then the jedi should not have died in the temple...

Look at the Clone Wars cartoon. That gives a good representation of who the Jedi are and what their powers are in EU.

And if he's on par with Ki Adi, that should be more than enough to take out a few clones (Although, given Maul's status, I'd put him above Ki).

CW is possibly THE most overrated EU source ever, and it shows people like Anakin, Mace and Yoda doing excellent feats. Obi-Wan for example, never showed any such impressive feats during the CW, isn't he an above average jedi?


I'm not denying he can take out clones, but such a feat with the force? Nothing Ki-Adi nor Maul showed.

There's a scan floating around somewhere of Ki (when he is tired) lifting a skiff in the desert...

Yeah I know, but that isn't exactly the same thing though. Either way, I don't see Maul doing the exact same feat, but I can see him tossing these guys around.

Lol, this is getting pretty futile anyway. He can in anyway, toss them around, or lift, or whatever. Maul is a funny guy, he'll do something. Now bye, gotta leave!

I just know that Maul & Obiwan would pwn them at last.
This thread is really a joke.

Yeah... maybe if you took out Maul...

Damn straight, I was the one who originally hosted that sh!t, oh and btw, he does it when he's fatigued and injured. Ki's one of the most powerful PT Jedi (with the force that is) there is.

Next to the big dogs, I guess he is.

Someone posted it before you were here (with that account, at least). Do you have the link?

He(Ki) would get owned in the Force contest by Mace, Dooku, Sidious and Yoda.

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=20&page=059

Here it is.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
He(Ki) would get owned in the Force contest by Mace, Dooku, Sidious and Yoda.
I don't know if Ki would got "pwn" by Mace in force contest...
But Mace would got pwn in the force by Sidious...

Ki would get pwned by Mace and Sidious would defeat Mace in the Force, but it wouldn't be ownage.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
I didn't mean like he kills them all with Force choke, ha can throw objects at them and use Force push, and kill one by one and if the Clones throw grenades he can just Force push them back, something like that, but he has to stay 100% concentrated.
Their armor is strong enough that if they got shot with a blaster all they get is a nice bruise. Getting objects tossed at them might hurt a little or knock them off their feet but it won't be much to worry about, and all they need to do it hit Maul one time with their blasters. No, if he can take them it's going to be with his saber.

And Jim, there's no proof that Maul can do what that Jedi did w/ the Force. That Jedi was insane and the video game obviously exaggerates his powers. If Maul could really do that then Vader could easily have just Force pushed Sidious down the shaft in ROTJ and not died.

He can just Force push them and kill them one by one with a saber, maul can deflect blaster fire.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
He can just Force push them and kill them one by one with a saber, maul can deflect blaster fire.
You make it seem like he will just be able to Force Push them right away and the fight will be over. But He definately won't be able to Force Push more than 2 at a time, and while he's doing that the other two will be shooting at him. He'll have to block the blots with the Force, then leap to the side and pull out his blade. By this time the two who were originally Force Pushed will be back on their feet and he'll have 4 Clones shooting at him. He'll have no more opportunities to use the Force.

Have you read Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter? In it there's a female Bounty Hunter named Mahwi Lihnn. She wears Spider Silk Armor, which is blaster-proof. When she fights Maul he draws out his saber and blocks all of the bolts she shoots at him, but when they deflect back and hit her nothing happens. That is one Bounty Hunter. Now, each Commando is weaker than Mahwi and their armor isn't quite blaster proof, it just protects the Clones enough that when they get shot the only get bruises. But I still find it very hard to believe that Mahwi is as strong as all 4 Comamndo's combined, I would think that they'd beat her comfortably. And she put up a pretty good fight against Maul, so.

From Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter:
Ah- there was the holocron crystal of which Monchar had spoken. He extinguished his lightsaber, hung it on his belt, and bent to pick up the holocron. Before his fingers touched it, however, he sensed that he was not alone. "Don't move!" came a voice from the door even as he realized this. "You so much as breathe deep and I'll fry you where you stand!" Maul glanced at the doorway. A tall human female in shell spider silk armor stood there, aiming a pair of blasters at him. Maul realized that this was the same being he had sensed following him earlier. His lips twitched in annoyance. He tried a quick mental probe, but the bounty hunter-for surely that was what she was- was too sharp, her attention too focused, to fall for mind tricks. Maul considered his options. He would never reach his lightsaber fast enough, even as quick as he was. He might be able to dodge a single blast, maybe even two, but hemmed in as he was in this small cubicle against a woman who could likely put a dozen bolts into the air from two semiautomatic blasters in half a second, he would have to have a distraction. Near his feet lay the Trandoshan's blaster. It would serve nicely. Using his control of the Force, Darth Maul gripped the weapon in a dark tentacle of energy and hurled it at the bounty hunter's face, hard. The woman was fast. She dodged the blaster, firing a bolt at it. She missed and recovered, but the distraction had served its purpose. Before the weapon had bounced off the wall and landed on the floor, Maul had the lightsaber in his grasp. He thumbed on both blades as the next blaster bolt and half a dozen more came his way in rapid succession. The Sith apprentice's hands were a blur as he let the dark side take him over completely, giving in to its power and allowing it to control and manipulate him. Blaster bolts struck the lightsaber's spinning blades and were deflected into the walls, the ceiling, the floor. No time to aim, though a bolt or two did hit the bounty hunter without apparent effect. Her armor was apparently state-of-the-art. The bounty hunter dropped her useless blasters and reached for one wrist, where she wore a rocket launcher. The fool! Maul thought grimly. If a rocket exploded in here, it would kill them both! There was no time to try to stop her. Maul slipped along the lines of the Force, moving at unnatural speed as he spun toward the nearest wall, a cheap plastic panel, twirling the lightsaber in a cutting pattern. The plastic shredded easily before the blades' superhot plasmatic edges, and Maul ran through the wall, leapt over a chair in the next room-which, fortunately for its tenants, was deserted at the moment-and stabbed downward with one blade of his lightsaber, shearing a ragged oval in the floor. He dropped through the ceiling of the cubicle below just as the rocket struck the wall of the Neimoidian's room and exploded. Lihnn had never seen anybody move like the man with the horned and tattooed head. He wasn't dressed like a Jedi, but his expertise with the double-bladed lightsaber far exceeded the skill of any Jedi Lihnn had ever heard of. He knocked blaster bolts away as if swatting flies! And if he could do that, Lihnn couldn't stop him. He would use that double- bladed lightsaber to slice her apart. Desperate, she reached for her wrist launcher. Her only chance was to hit the horned one squarely and hope that the explosion would be contained enough by the other's body to allow Lihnn to survive. But as she triggered the launcher the tattooed man seemed to disappear in a blur. All of a sudden there was a hole in the wall where an instant ago it had been solid. Too late, Lihnn tried to stop the rocket from firing, but the reactionless motor flared and the missile leapt from her wrist. She tried to jump back into the hallway. Lorn was almost to the room where he was supposed to meet the Neimoidian when a sudden explosion hurled him backwards a good three meters, impacting against the wall of a T intersection. As the shock wave lifted him he caught a glimpse of what looked like an armored human flying across the hall just ahead of him and smashing halfway through the wall.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Ki would get pwned by Mace and Sidious would defeat Mace in the Force, but it wouldn't be ownage.
Any proofs? Mace don't seem can pwn Ki in the force. BTW, can Mace defend himself from Sidious lightening without his lightsaber? If not, Sidious would pwn him.

The fight was in a very small room, if it was in an open area, it would be even easier and she took Maul by surprise, he sensed her, but it was to late, she was in a great position and still didn't win.

This is for Vader11

What do you mean Mace cant pwn Ki in the Force, Ki wouldn't be able even to stop the lightning with a saber and yes Mace probably wouldn't be able to stop lightning without a saber, thats way he has it.
In Force powers Mace is second only to Yoda in the Jedi order, by the time of ROTS.

Maul had plenty of time to react, though, she didn't fire at him right away. And she was only in the better position until he chucked the gun at her w/ the Force, then they were in equal positions. And I see no reason why the room size would matter at all, in the Invisible hand Hanger the Clones can hide and catch Maul by surprise or surround him.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
The fight was in a very small room, if it was in an open area, it would be even easier and she took Maul by surprise, he sensed her, but it was to late, she was in a great position and still didn't win.

This is for Vader11

What do you mean Mace cant pwn Ki in the Force, Ki wouldn't be able even to stop the lightning with a saber and yes Mace probably wouldn't be able to stop lightning without a saber, thats way he has it.
In Force powers Mace is second only to Yoda in the Jedi order, by the time of ROTS.

Ki is more close to Mace in the force than Sidious & mace

What, based on what, didn't you see how quick Kit Fisto lost to Sidious, while Mace was there, how can you say he is close in power with Mace, don't get me wrong, Kit Fisto is my favorite back-round Jedi, but he has got nothing on Mace, not even close, except underwater.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
What, based on what, didn't you see how quick Kit Fisto lost to Sidious, while Mace was there, how can you say he is close in power with Mace, don't get me wrong, Kit Fisto is my favorite back-round Jedi, but he has got nothing on Mace, not even close, except underwater.
I didn't say they are close.
Difference between Mace & Ki < Difference between Mace & Sidious.

Oh realy, is that way Mace defeated Sidious and Kisto got killed in seconds, i like Kit, but he is nowhere near Mace Windu.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Oh realy, is that way Mace defeated Sidious and Kisto got killed in seconds, i like Kit, but he is nowhere near Mace Windu.
Difference in "force" between Mace & Ki < Difference in "force" between Mace & Sidious.

I knew what you meant, but what suggests that he is closer to Mace, then Mace to Sidious. Mace is allot closer to Sidious, then Kit is to Mace.

Count Makashi, vader11 is talking about Ki-Adi Mundi, NOT Kit Fisto.

I think if sev sets up sniper positions and the rest distract the force users the duo loses nuff said

Originally posted by darthsith19
Count Makashi, vader11 is talking about Ki-Adi Mundi, NOT Kit Fisto.
Whose force is stronger?

Originally posted by vader11
Whose force is stronger?
Prolly Mundi's.

O, shit, your right. I was taking about Mundi first, but then i didn't read it well and thought we wore talking about Fisto, i apologize.
But even Ki has nothing on Mace, Mace would pwn him badly.