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Okay, at first glance, this is a seemingly impossible battle for Luke. He has some natural talent, but isn't up to speed with an average Knight, nevermind a master like Mace fo' fukin' Windu.

To even it out, Luke has help from the following people, none of whom can attack Mace of defend luke, but may assist via battle meditation or whatever non Hands-on methods they choose.

Yoda
Bastilla Shan
Oppo Rancisis
DE Leia (preggo)
Odan-Urr
Arca Jeth
Palpatine
Nomi Sunrider
Yarel Poof
Master Thon


Also, he has an hour of talking with Thrawn and Revan about the battle field, and an earpiece (that Mace is not allowed to destroy) that is connected and he can receive input from them.

Speculation, but, it's just as good as any Revan thread...

Thoughts?

Wow... rookie mistake...

Can I get this moved please?

Just wondering, does Thrawn get a chance to study Mace Windu? Or merely the 'battefield', which wasn't even designated?

That insane degree of battle meditation, if used against Mace, would likely destroy Mace's will to fight. Luke wins.

But Mace in incredible strong minded individual, it want be easy to brake his spirit.

It won't be easy, but we're talking about some pretty insane levels of battle meditation here, all focused into one person. That would likely break the spirit of any force user, and Mace Windu really isn't that impressive anyway.

I mean Bastilla alone could turn the tide of entire battles, and grant a losing side victory near instantaneously. Nomi could literally just visualise something, and it would just happen; she could force her will into reality. Arca Jeth and Odan-Urr had similar skillz to Bastilla, and Thon was no slouch either. DE Leia was able to grant DE Luke the skill to take down DE Sidious in saber combat, when moments before he was getting completely wtfpwned. Palpatine, from what I've heard, had skills beyond even Bastilla. Add in Yoda, Poof, and Rakishi (who aren't exactly slouches either), and Mace will basically be lying on the ground, crying like a 6 year old.

Now as badly as ESB Luke sucks, he'd take a broken Mace Windu.

Originally posted by allfg
That insane degree of battle meditation, if used against Mace, would likely destroy Mace's will to fight. Luke wins.
Agreed. mace goes down hard, with all those Jedi using Battle meditation he will likely put away his saber, drop to his knees and let Luke kill him.

But Luke could miss and hit kill himself.

Luke doesn't need any help to beat Mace. Master Windu is good, but got punk'd by Palpatine. Luke wins.

What, NJO Luke for sure, yea, but ESB Luke doesn't even come close to mace, he isn't as good as ordinary Jedi, by this time.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
What, NJO Luke for sure, yea, but ESB Luke doesn't even come close to mace, he isn't as good as ordinary Jedi, by this time.

That maybe true BUT......

But, what?

Okay, the battlefield is a rocky envornment, with some hills and such...

And, add in Depa to the fight on Mace's team (I forgot to do that after I added more people aiding Luke than I origionally planned).

ROFLMAO

Windu goes down. Nebaris hit the nail on the head.

Luke is a little whining brat, he kills himself before Mace, when he realizes how pathetic he is.

Originally posted by JediSamuraiMRB
Luke doesn't need any help to beat Mace. Master Windu is good, but got punk'd by Palpatine. Luke wins.


Dude, mace windu beat palpatine fair and square.

Mace would win.

Originally posted by Darth_noodle
Dude, mace windu beat palpatine fair and square.
Not in a force fight, seeing that palpatine as of ROTJ to Dark empire was able to use force lightning to reduce 3 force users to ashes and the same lightning that effortlessly destroyed 100 storm troopers.

Oh right how i forgot palpatine could cut another off the force as well as creating a hyperspace wormhole, a churning vortex dubbed "Force storm" which can destroy space and time as well as take out an entire rebel fleet and destroy a planets surface.

Bugger off noob.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Not in a force fight, seeing that palpatine as of ROTJ to Dark empire was able to use force lightning to reduce 3 force users to ashes and the same lightning that effortlessly destroyed 100 storm troopers.

Oh right how i forgot palpatine could cut another off the force as well as creating a hyperspace wormhole, a churning vortex dubbed "Force storm" which can destroy space and time as well as take out an entire rebel fleet and destroy a planets surface.

Bugger off noob.

LMAO!! here you go again with the insults. Dont make a fool out of yourself.

Actually, sidious was not able to beat mace in a force fight either, he could not lightning mace cause mace would just keep deflecting it, and Mace would also deflect anything else sidious sends at him, including a force push or a choke. Mace has Vaapad and the superconducting loop of vaapad is almost completely "force-proof", unless sidous catches him off guard.

"bugger off noob" lmao

Originally posted by Darth_noodle
LMAO!! here you go again with the insults. Dont make a fool out of yourself. Your the one making a fool out of yourself
Originally posted by Darth_noodle

Actually, sidious was not able to beat mace in a force fight either, he could not lightning mace cause mace would just keep deflecting it,
Right it was sidious as of ROTS whom hasn't fought in 13 years, i still think contending with him despite that fact is pretty interesting and remarkable.

Do you even read the comics which are classified as canon? Mace would get owned by dark empire sidious which has been described as the most powerful sith lord who had ever existed and one where he could move faster than the eye can see.

How bout the fact that as of DE he mastered every aspect of the force? That he had a technique dubbed the force storm which destroyed thousands of people and warships, ravaged the surface of coruscant and destroyed his own flagship which was what? 17.5 KM long?

Originally posted by Darth_noodle

and Mace would also deflect anything else sidious sends at him, including a force push or a choke. Mace has Vaapad and the superconducting loop of vaapad is almost completely "force-proof", unless sidous catches him off guard.
Prove that a lightsaber can deflect a force grip or force crush. Right you can't because it isn't proven that he can

Hell prove his vaapad can defend against something which can destroy an entire armada.

Hell sidious as of DE can easily cut mace off the force

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Your the one making a fool out of yourself
Right it was sidious as of ROTS whom hasn't fought in 13 years, i still think contending with him despite that fact is pretty interesting and remarkable.

Do you even read the comics which are classified as canon? Mace would get owned by dark empire sidious which has been described as the most powerful sith lord who had ever existed and one where he could move faster than the eye can see.

How bout the fact that as of DE he mastered every aspect of the force? That he had a technique dubbed the force storm which destroyed thousands of people and warships, ravaged the surface of coruscant and destroyed his own flagship which was what? 17.5 KM long?

Prove that a lightsaber can deflect a force grip or force crush. Right you can't because it isn't proven that he can

Hell prove his vaapad can defend against something which can destroy an entire armada.

Hell sidious as of DE can easily cut mace off the force

If Vaapad can deflect force lightning and force rage, than it can deflect any other force attack. The superconducting loop of vaapad is capable of deflecting basiclly any force attack besides the thing where sidious clouds others from using the force.

Originally posted by Darth_noodle
If Vaapad can deflect force lightning and force rage, than it can deflect any other force attack. The superconducting loop of vaapad is capable of deflecting basiclly any force attack besides the thing where sidious clouds others from using the force. Wow your an idiot, if a lightsaber can cut through metal, it means it can cut through another lightsaber. Thats how stupid the logic your showing.

And prove sidious use rage, Hell force rage isnt an ability where you attack your opponent.

Prove it can deflect a technique that does not manifest itself as anything

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Your the one making a fool out of yourself
Right it was sidious as of ROTS whom hasn't fought in 13 years, i still think contending with him despite that fact is pretty interesting and remarkable.

Do you even read the comics which are classified as canon? Mace would get owned by dark empire sidious which has been described as the most powerful sith lord who had ever existed and one where he could move faster than the eye can see.

How bout the fact that as of DE he mastered every aspect of the force? That he had a technique dubbed the force storm which destroyed thousands of people and warships, ravaged the surface of coruscant and destroyed his own flagship which was what? 17.5 KM long?

Prove that a lightsaber can deflect a force grip or force crush. Right you can't because it isn't proven that he can

Hell prove his vaapad can defend against something which can destroy an entire armada.

Hell sidious as of DE can easily cut mace off the force

the words "force storm" guarantees its not any more cannon than star wars cartoons. where did you get these abilities? supershadow or something? if palps is so powerful why does he have such a hard time defeating yoda? and what the heck happened to all his abilities (which you describe as something like superman against crooks with guns)
in the time between DE and ROTJ? i mean, the guy you described shouldn't be tossed down a hole, and dies, then end. Padawan Obi-Wan can't even be killed that way in TPM. to be honest you sound something like a palpy fan-boy, just to let you know. (i agree though, mace loses that fight with all the forceusers standing on the sideline pushing him around, and holding him down while luke cuts him up.

Originally posted by truejedi
the words "force storm" guarantees its not any more cannon than star wars cartoons. where did you get these abilities? supershadow or something? if palps is so powerful why does he have such a hard time defeating yoda? and what the heck happened to all his abilities (which you describe as something like superman against crooks with guns)
in the time between DE and ROTJ?.
Just to clear up a few points.

force storm is a very real and deadly maneuver.http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_(wormhole) Shadow has nothing to do with this it.(thank god if you read the new giggle time happy thread you would know how much i despise him) The maneuver "was in the Dark Empire(DE) comics. And Yoda was called the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known." From the Revenge of the Sith Novel.

It came when the avatar of light resolved into the lineage of the Jedi; when the lineage of the Jedi refined into one single Jedi.It came when Yoda found himself alone against the dark.In that lightning-speared tornado of feet and fists and blades and bashing machines, his vision finally pierced the darkness that had clouded the Force.Finally, he saw the truth.This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known... just-didn't-have it.He'd never had it. He had lost before he started.

Originally posted by truejedi
the words "force storm" guarantees its not any more cannon than star wars cartoons. where did you get these abilities? supershadow or something? if palps is so powerful why does he have such a hard time defeating yoda? and what the heck happened to all his abilities (which you describe as something like superman against crooks with guns)
in the time between DE and ROTJ? i mean, the guy you described shouldn't be tossed down a hole, and dies, then end. Padawan Obi-Wan can't even be killed that way in TPM. to be honest you sound something like a palpy fan-boy, just to let you know. (i agree though, mace loses that fight with all the forceusers standing on the sideline pushing him around, and holding him down while luke cuts him up.

Its in dark empire source book my friend where its stated palpatine has a technique which can destroy space and time.