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Really close.

Both are big guys.

Both are good with the force.

Both are awesome lightsaber users.

Both have biceps large enough to snap my neck with.

Not sure, imo depends on whether or not Kun's amulet blast will go through Bane's armor of it Bane's armor will protect him from it. If it penetrates it then Kun wins. If not, Bane wins.

Kun has his ancient sith techniques that died with him, the amulet, and the raw force abilities. Furthermore, if it comes down to a battle of blades, he wtfpwns Bane.

I'm taking Kun on this one, he's impressed me more.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Both have biceps large enough to snap my neck with.

Lmao.

1 question, why is Exar Kun supposed to be better with a saber than Bane? People seem to overrate the Exar. Bane has way more going for him.

Overrate Exar Kun? Besides the fact that he was EXPLICITLY stated as a saber prodigy, that he defeated his master as a padawan, and he has developed a saber and style totally unique and unknown to Bane. Bane was never stated nor shown to be any kind of sabe prodigy. So Bane doesn't have more going for him, and you've lost this debate way too many times.

That's right, you heard correct big guy.



1. Kit Fisto was also explicitly stated as being a saber prodigy. Do you rate him higher than Bane?

2. Source, quote, page number?

3. Proof that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy? Becoming one of the best saber duelists (2nd best most likely) in an entire order of darksiders that basically excelled at dueling supports him being a prodigy. Virtually beating Kas'im (it was as good as a defeat, the passage and Kas'im's own admission makes that clear), who in my eyes is a top tier duelist and definitely above Kun with less than 2 years experience with a saber also supports him being a prodigy. Until you can prove that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy, which evidence seems to suggest, you have no case.



1. Where was it said that Exar was a padawan? The NEGtC states that Masters trained their students for some time even when they became knights.

2. You do realise that Exar Kun grew to his peak only 6 months after he had 'defeated his master as a padawan', so the feat itself pretty much loses its value based on that fact alone. If say, he defeated his master as a padawan, and then subsequently had decades to improve, then maybe I'd hold the feat in higher regard.

3. You do realise that Bane was able to (virtually) defeat Kas'im with less experience than Kun, right? Vodo's no Kas'im.



1. Bane practised under Kas'im's advanced and perfected forms, which are beyond the standard form that Kun knows.

2. Bane also can utilise a saber staff in a duel, with said forms, and Kun is 100% unfamiliar with any form of saber staff (except his own).

There, those are two ways in which Bane's form is unknown to Kun. Advantage - Bane.



Perfectly memorising every single move and sequence to the saber staff with as little time as Bane has doesn't support him being a saber prodigy?

Utterly demolishing (and I mean that, he completely annihilated him) Sirak while holding back for most of the duel (who I'd rate above Vodo, given that he was so quick that he could move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms, and was literally worshipped by the entire BoD for being their greatest rising star) with only about a year's worth of experience doesn't support him being a saber prodigy?

As good as (the 'as good as' may seem to take something away from the feat, but it actually doesn't. Bane could have killed Kas'im in saber combat, but was careless and arrogant and gave Kas'im the time and space to pull out two sabers, of which the style was unfamiliar to Bane) defeating Kas'im with less than two years of training doesn't support him being a saber prodigy?



If constantly refuting your points counts as losing, then you'd be correct.

No he wasn't.


Proof that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy? Golly gee, we already know you can't debate for shit, you asking me to prove a negative reinforces that belief. Nothing suggests he was the second best and nothing suggests the order was at all powerful. In fact, everything points to the contrary. Virtually beating Kas'im? You mean the guy that trained him and all the moves he's aware of, and he still couldn't beat him? Nobody cares what someone ranks in your eyes. Sorry francine, but denial isn't going to help you anymore, especially with your shitty debating skills.




Ask Advent she has the sourcebooks but he was indeed a padawan.


One of the dumbest things I've ever heard but you're full of them daily. Again nobody cares what you think of anybody especially since you can't apply logic to a debate.


You do realize that your argument gets destroyed everytime you mention this crap, because Kas'im trained Bane.




Yet another stupid statement that doesn't warrant any kind of response except quit while you're behind.


Yet another baseless assumption. You're a dumbass. He created the entire method, why would he be unfamiliar with it.


I don't think "you're an idiot" even begins to describe you.




Realizing every move of Kas'im and still losing? No


Worshipped by the BOD? Rated higher than Vodo? Good god I wish someone else would see this piss poor argument. If by annihilate you mean prolongue the fight because that was the only way Sirak would lose, then ok. Just shut up.


What a moron. That kind of bullshit assumption is like me saying "Well Kun could have destroyed the galaxy but he didn't want to". That's how stupid you sound, so just stop.




Yea, I guess those antidepressants are kicking in seeing as your post has been the dumbest I've seen in months. But you're used to getting wtfpwned in every argument.

Originally posted by allfg


3. Proof that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy? Becoming one of the best saber duelists (2nd best most likely) in an entire order of darksiders that basically excelled at dueling supports him being a prodigy. Virtually beating Kas'im (it was as good as a defeat, the passage and Kas'im's own admission makes that clear), who in my eyes is a top tier duelist and definitely above Kun with less than 2 years experience with a saber also supports him being a prodigy. Until you can prove that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy, which evidence seems to suggest, you have no case. Right right bane nearly got killed and he shit in his pants when kasim turned to jar kai. Bane nearly got raped until he was lucky enough to unleash a force wave to shake down the temple to crush kasim. Bane being a saber prodigy my ass.


Originally posted by allfg

1. Where was it said that Exar was a padawan? The NEGtC states that Masters trained their students for some time even when they became knights. Dumb fool. in TOTJ it was stated exar is a padawan indeed. Stupid imbecile
Originally posted by allfg



3. You do realise that Bane was able to (virtually) defeat Kas'im with less experience than Kun, right? Vodo's no Kas'im.
No no no! bane nearly got his cock ripped off when kasim turned to jar kai, a form the "saber prodigy" never saw or even heard of before!

Originally posted by allfg

1. Bane practised under Kas'im's advanced and perfected forms, which are beyond the standard form that Kun knows.
OOOO so that means if i learn under the best fighter in the world that means i am the ultimate fighter? Hell no, bane only memorised kasims movement and when he changed styles and patterns we hear bane "WAHHHHHH!" cry
Originally posted by allfg

2. Bane also can utilise a saber staff in a duel, with said forms, and Kun is 100% unfamiliar with any form of saber staff (except his own).
Thats so stupid i do not even know where to start

Originally posted by allfg

There, those are two ways in which Bane's form is unknown to Kun. Advantage - Bane. While the fact remains that when kun was using a single saber against vodo, vodo could keep up, and when he switched on the other end of the saber, vodo became unfamiliar and got his ass wiped.

Same thing with bane, he shit when kasim turned to jar kai, an unknown form and just to let you know bane frequently uses djem so


Originally posted by allfg

Perfectly memorising every single move and sequence to the saber staff with as little time as Bane has doesn't support him being a saber prodigy? No because when you change sequence and style, it throws you off balance as kyle stated in jedi academy
Originally posted by allfg

Utterly demolishing (and I mean that, he completely annihilated him) Sirak while holding back for most of the duel (who I'd rate above Vodo, given that he was so quick that he could move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms, and was literally worshipped by the entire BoD for being their greatest rising star) with only about a year's worth of experience doesn't support him being a saber prodigy? simple no.
Originally posted by allfg

As good as (the 'as good as' may seem to take something away from the feat, but it actually doesn't. Bane could have killed Kas'im in saber combat, but was careless and arrogant and gave Kas'im the time and space to pull out two sabers, of which the style was unfamiliar to Bane) defeating Kas'im with less than two years of training doesn't support him being a saber prodigy? He defeated kasim through the force moron damfool. Yes bane could have killed kasim had kasim stuck to his original frequent forms, But had kasim been smart to use jar kai at first, no way in hell bane can even stand up for the fight

Exar Kun for the win, at his peak I believe him to be above Darth Bane.

Yes he was, ask Lightsnake. Also, why are you ignoring what I posted afterwards? I want proof that Kun was stated to be a saber prodigy, and I'm guessing it doesn't exist seeing as you ignored me the last time I asked as well.



Wow, somebody knows how to copy IKC, impressive. Now please Sexy, don't be dense, I've already provided evidence that supports Bane being a saber prodigy, I've already provided evidence that simply being a saber prodigy really doesn't mean much since virtually everyone noteworthy is, so to put it simply, you would only have a valid point if you could prove that Bane wasn't a saber prodigy. Good luck.



Bullshit.

1. He utterly outclassed and demolished Sirak, who was the second top BoD student. The same students who when they became Masters were more powerful than pretty much the majority of the then current Masters.

2. When he was owning Quordis with the force, Quordis seemed to agree with the idea that Bane would have been able to own him as badly with a saber. Quordis was one of the top Masters of the BoD, head of the Academy in fact, and he would have had to have at least some decent saber skills.

3. Kas'im was the best BoD duelist. The fact that Bane virtually defeated him when both were on equal footing suggest that he was basically better than him. The only reason I'd still put Kas'im above Bane is because he can duel with two blades, which Bane is unfamiliar with, otherwise overall he'd be the best. Kas'im is the only one who possesses that advantage over Bane, however nobody else does, hence Bane being #2.



Bullshit.

1. That specific Sith Lineage had been fighting the Jedi in constant warfare for hundreds of years, and were the most martial sith order ever. Wartime naturally brings out the best in warriors, and generally produces the best of them.

2. Dueling techniques were the most prominent form of training in the BoD, indicating that the BoD held dueling skills in high regard, indicating that overall the BoD excelled at dueling, indicating that you fail. So unlucky.



Want to cite a few examples?



Wow, so many things wrong with this post.

1. Bane knew all of Kas'im's moves, but the same applies to Kas'im, he also knew all of Bane's moves. Moot point.

2. He as good as beat him. He had him defeated, but chose to savour the victory and gave Kas'im the time to regain his composure. By Kas'im's own admission, Bane had him beat.

3. The only time Kas'im was able to beat him was with his dual sabers, of which the style was completely foreign to Bane. That's the only time, however when they were on equal footing, baen was dominating, and even had the chance to defeat him.



You fvcking rate Kas'im as well as I do you fricking moron.



Is this actually supposed to be funny? Really, what is it with you and flaming? I could understand if you were actually good at it...



I'm asking you. Not that it matters, either way, my other point remains.



Wow, clearly the point flew over your head. Not surprising. My point was that the feat itself doesn't mean much as there wasn't that tremendous an improvement rate until the end of TSW.



What the fvck don't you get about Kas'im knowing Bane's moves as well as Bane knew Kas'im's?



How the fvck is it stupid? I'm essentially proving how Bane's form is as alien to Kun (if not moreso) as Kun's is to Bane. You see, this is why I don't fricking respect you as a debater, and rate you on Kadesh's level.



Wow, you're still dumb. Exar Kun was the first to create the saber staff, as well as the form he used with it, however knowledge of the form died with Kun. Now seeing as those who created the weapon and the form for it afterwards had no such knowledge to work from, they would have had to create a completely different form. Thus, Bane doesn't know Kun's form, and Kun doesn't know Bane's.



Look, I don't come to this forum to argue with angry old men that insult like first graders, so please either argue, or stop wasting my time with this bullshit. Bane's form is even more alien to Kun then Kun's is to Bane, deal with it.



1. You completely ignored what I was saying, please reply to it.

2. Why the fvck are you still twisting this shit. When Bane lost, it was because Kas'im was using an unfamiliar weapon and form. When Kas'im was using a form that Bane was familiar with, Bane had him beat. What the fvck don't you still get about this.



Yes. The students believed he was the Sith'ari. The Masters gave him even more attention than they did Bane. Kaan had been mentoring him for years even before the academy was built and was like a father figure to him. H even believed that he had the potential to surpass any of the then current BoD Masters.



Did you just fricking ignore what I said? His speed and mastery of the saber was pretty insane. Vodo has none of that shit going for him, so yes, I'd rate Sirak above him.



WTF? Look Sexy, I have no time for liars, so if you continue, I'm not going to debate you. Here are the facts: Bane was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's form in mere seconds, and could have ended the fight as quickly. However, he only wanted to prolong the fight because he wanted to tire him out first, and then humiliate him. Now when he actually chose to end the fight, he did so in a heartbeat, with a manoeuvre faster than Sirak could see/react to, and one that completely fecked him up. Bane owned him. Please, quit lying.



Erm, no. You have no logical basis for making such a ridiculous assertion. It's completely fecking different.



Right, which is why you've had to resort to ignoring my points, lying and acting like a jackass. Sure thing.

Originally posted by allfg
Yes he was, ask Lightsnake. Also, why are you ignoring what I posted afterwards? I want proof that Kun was stated to be a saber prodigy, and I'm guessing it doesn't exist seeing as you ignored me the last time I asked as well.
I'm ignoring you because it's stated in sources either lightsnake or Advent have, and i'm sure as soon as they see your crap they'll post.




What a buffoon. As soon as someone makes an argument that destroys yours(always), that person is always copying someone. You've been embarassed enough just by posting. Not to mention you haven't proven jack shit about Bane being a saber prodigy. But I forgive you because you're under the delusion that if you type, you're making point. You embarass yourself even further by telling me to prove a negative. Good going dumbass, self pwnage.




This doesn't make him a saber prodigy, it makes him great with the force.


Except nothing points to the BOD being anything impressive.


Let me get this straight, because he almost defeated him but lost, that makes him better than him? Wow, you really are a dumbass. But again nobody cares about your argument when you realize Bane knew Kas'im's every move and still lost.




The KOTOR era was more warlike than the PT era, but the PT Era as a whole produced more impressive warriors, thus destroying your pitiful argument.


Yet another baseless assumption indicating self pwnage.





Judging by your ridiculous response, I have trouble believing you even know what a moot point is. You brought up the fact that because Bane almost beat Kas'im, that he was a lightsaber prodigy, and I destroyed your argument by stating that Bane knew all of Kas'im's moves and still lost. Now you adding your irrelevant misdirection renders your point moot. Great going once again dumbass.


Sure he did, I forgot that your word>authors


They stalemated but good try.




You're embarassing yourself, so continue.




You haven't made any points. Wonderful denial.




That statement was as dumb as your original one.





Nobody cares about your opinion nor your respect as you are the worst debater on these forums with 0 credibility.





You're right, you come to this forum to get completely embarassed.




Stalemate, francine.




Who gives a shit? Nothing states or even shows that the BOD masters were anything special.





More self pwnage




For someone who lacks any kind of logic or common sense, you're one to talk.



Well, you've been pwned once again Noobaris. Please keep up this embarassment by continually posting nonsense, i'm sure everyone's getting a laugh.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Not sure, imo depends on whether or not Kun's amulet blast will go through Bane's armor of it Bane's armor will protect him from it. If it penetrates it then Kun wins. If not, Bane wins.

Are you sure Kun is able to use amulet blast? Not sure who wins. They might be evenly matched.

Ok Sexy you're a complete joke and I'm not responding to any of that shit.

Originally posted by allfg
Ok Sexy you're a complete joke and I'm not responding to any of that shit.

Of course not francine, because you've been wtfpwned once again and you are smart enough to save yourself the embarassment and just keep quiet. First intelligent thing you've ever done on this forum. Thumbs up big guy.

Originally posted by allfg
Ok Sexy you're a complete joke and I'm not responding to any of that shit.

Pwned.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Of course not francine, because you've been wtfpwned once again and you are smart enough to save yourself the embarassment and just keep quiet. First intelligent thing you've ever done on this forum. Thumbs up big guy.

No it's because I'm smart enough to know that you're one hell of a persistent fvck and will keep on replying no matter how many times I own you so I don't see a point in replying to you.

Originally posted by allfg
No it's because I'm smart enough to know that you're one hell of a persistent fvck and will keep on replying no matter how many times I own you so I don't see a point in replying to you.

Awww that's cute francine more denial? I feel bad for you because you've never won a debate on this forum and yet you try so hard to tell yourself that you have. It's almost adorable!

Kun's got his amulets - massive field advantages that Bane can't defend against and it would hammer through his orbalisk armor. I can see Kun controlling the fight through them, but I'm not going to say he automatically wins.

And I think Sirak being 'more skilled' than Vodo is a bit exaggerated. Vodo was badass enough to duel with a damn stick. His Force strength is obviously superior to Sirak's.

indeed

Originally posted by Gideon
Kun's got his amulets - massive field advantages that Bane can't defend against and it would hammer through his orbalisk armor. I can see Kun controlling the fight through them, but I'm not going to say he automatically wins.

What I bolded begs for proof.

1. Where's the proof that Bane can't defend against these blasts?

His speed was uber, he was able to pull off a pretty complex manoeuvre in the blink of an eye, that was fast enough to only register as a blur to trained force users. The speed of the amulet blasts haven't been proven, but I doubt that given how fast Bane is, he'll fall down to them. I mean, people always say that Yoda could dodge them. Well then, why couldn't Bane, who's got superior speed related feats (and I'm counting CW cartoons and the Entire EU on that one btw)?

Bane's strength in the force is immense, I've argued enough for it so I won't say anything too specific right now, but I really don't see how Bane's force shield won't stop an amulet blast.

Now people like to often argue this, but Bane's TK ability is immense, probably less than only that of Luke and Kyp Durron. I really don't see how he's not supposed to just push the blasts back in Kun's face with those same abilities. He was able to quite casually affect an entire moon with his TK ability, would an amulet blast really be a problem?

2. Where's the proof that the amulet blasts would hammer through the orbalisk armour? Not that it matters, as there are gaps in the armour that the blasts can exploit, but I was just wondering why you'd think it could blast through something not even a saber could penetrate.



How does dueling with a stick make you badass? Is Yaddle badass too? Vodo has nothing proven for him, and nothing going for him, except experience, which is never the be all end all in SW. Sirak is a proven saber giant, and you can't ignore his feats of speed which enabled him to move in a blur, or his mastery of the saber which was pretty immense (quite a few forms)

Originally posted by allfg
What I bolded begs for proof.

1. Where's the proof that Bane can't defend against these blasts?

Correction, Wheres the proof that bane can defend against them?

thank you kadesh, this moron doesn't get the concept of logical debating. Idiot keeps asking for a negative proof. Stop posting NOobaris you've been pwned.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
thank you kadesh, this moron doesn't get the concept of logical debating. Idiot keeps asking for a negative proof. Stop posting NOobaris you've been pwned. no problem, This guy has been watching non-stop bane porn so just ignore him

Originally posted by Kadesh
Correction, Wheres the proof that bane can defend against them?

Yay for selective quoting!
Now how about reading a little lower. In fact, I'll repost it for you:

His speed was uber, he was able to pull off a pretty complex manoeuvre in the blink of an eye, that was fast enough to only register as a blur to trained force users. The speed of the amulet blasts haven't been proven, but I doubt that given how fast Bane is, he'll fall down to them. I mean, people always say that Yoda could dodge them. Well then, why couldn't Bane, who's got superior speed related feats (and I'm counting CW cartoons and the Entire EU on that one btw)?

Bane's strength in the force is immense, I've argued enough for it so I won't say anything too specific right now, but I really don't see how Bane's force shield won't stop an amulet blast.

Now people like to often argue this, but Bane's TK ability is immense, probably less than only that of Luke and Kyp Durron. I really don't see how he's not supposed to just push the blasts back in Kun's face with those same abilities. He was able to quite casually affect an entire moon with his TK ability, would an amulet blast really be a problem?

Originally posted by Darth Sex Therapy
thank you kadesh, this moron doesn't get the concept of logical debating. Idiot keeps asking for a negative proof. Stop posting NOobaris you've been pwned.

LOL, you and Kadesh make the most hilarious tag team.
Anyways, clearly you don't get how the whole 'negative' things works. Now if I was the one making a claim, and then after being asked to offer up proof I asked them to prove the negative of what I was saying, then you would have a point. However, he made the claim, and I'm simply asking him to prove up.

Originally posted by Kadesh
no problem, This guy has been watching non-stop bane porn so just ignore him

Dude, if you're gonna copy someone else's jokes, at least copy something funny.

Noobaris, I'm sure you've heard this millions of times from every active user on this forum, but you're a moron. Stop hurting yourself.

Dude, you were actually on a role before with the new material and sh1t, so don't give up yet big guy.

That's ok Noobaris, as usual you've been pwned and you're desperately trying to ignore reality. Keep those anti depressants coming.

Meh, Kun.


Kamme-Hamme Hah FTW.

Whoa, whoa since when does moving fast one time and being watched by pathetic students not to mention he had to gather the energy equate to matching Yoda in speed? Yoda who as we've seen in the CW cartoons can move as a blur who as we've seen in numerous comics move as a blur one of which being in the Best of Blades, who has had the speed to take on multiple Jedi Masters one of which being a Vaapad master. Seriously where do you get off with that shit?

Seriously get off Banes dick, I still fail to see the appeal of a big, white muscley, bald guy he reminds me of the create a "..." people in video games before you put any actual personality into them.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Meh, Kun.


Kamme-Hamme Hah FTW.


Yeah pretty much, that has to be the lamest power in all of Star Wars, its like KJA saw a DBZ dub and said "OMG I wants my uber badass Exar Kun to do thats! And only hims cause he has a ponytail and a scar!" KJA is easily one of if not the worst EU writer.

I have a pony tail...

Maybe I can blast people.



Oh, and Bane could move faster than a few shitty students can see for an instant, good for him. Mace could move faster than Anakin could see for the entirety of his fight with Sidious.

Nice try, Hun.

It's only elaborated into such detail once. That doesn't mean it only happened once.



As well as Kas'im and a bunch of other masters...
Kas'im's reflexes were notable, this is incredibly impressive.



We've been through his before, and you always make it seem like he gathers darkside energies or something of the sort when he doesn't; he simply unleashes all the anger inside him.



Not that any of that shit is greater than what Bane can do, but going by the highest form of canon, while Yoda's incredibly fast, he's no Bane. He doesn't move in blurs and he doesn't move faster than the eye can see.




Bane's not even my favorite character, I just know that Kun is 100% outclassed when up against someone like Bane.



1. You like small guys?
2. Muscles don't appeal to you? You like fatties?
3. Bane's black...

Though I will say that visually, pre orbalisk Bane does look pretty lame, though it was probably more a result of the terrible JvS artwork. The appeal isn't visual (even though Bane with orbalisks looks badass in most pictures. This review says it best.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
I have a pony tail...

Maybe I can blast people.



Oh, and Bane could move faster than a few shitty students can see for an instant, good for him. Mace could move faster than Anakin could see for the entirety of his fight with Sidious.

Nice try, Hun.

Kas'im was there... And don't call me Hun, b1tch.

Cool, he surprised Kas'im with a burst of speed, doesn't change my point.


Is "Hot pants" any better?

Except we have no reason to believe it happened again.



Thats great, doesn't change the fact that its just force speed



unleashes all the anger inside him = unleashing gathered dark side energy genius. And yes we do always go through this and guess what...I'm always right.




(and I'm counting CW cartoons and the Entire EU on that one btw)

Dee dee dee

Going by the highest form of canon Bane doesn't exist.




Somehow I find that hard to believe



I don't really care.





Bane is NOT black that roid head is not a member of the black race, unlike the true ballers of the SW universe namely Revan, Post Suit Vader, Mace Windu, NJO Luke, and Yoda those are strong black men.



Bane only looks visually appealing in Legacy every other pic of him makes him either look like a CAW, a roid abused, or looking like he's just come home from a gay costume party.

Why not? He grows much more powerful after that point, and by the time he's accessed Revan's holocron, he's pretty much given himself to the darkside fully.



Your point? There's a degree of force speed, and Bane just happens to be able to amp up his speed to a degree beyond almost anybody.



Not in the way you're trying to make it seem like. You've done it before, and you're doing it now, and that is that you're trying to make it seem as if Bane was charging up darkside energies for the entire duel, and just decided to release them at the end. That's not the case. He was simply holding back for the entire duel, and the moment he decided to go full out, that's the kind of fury he was able to produce. I'm right, you're wrong, it's that simple.



What exactly is your point? You're trying to make it seem like I contradicted myself or something, which is false. I still stated that even the EU BS is still lesser to what Bane was able to produce, but then I slightly changed my stance and decided to make it easy and not accept contradictory EU BS.



Not to mention that what you're saying makes zero sense, GL fully recognises Bane as the first DLOTS...



I prefer Kas'im, Ulic Quel-Droma, Nomi Sunrider and Bastilla... You don't have to believe me, I don't really care, the only reason it may have seemed like Bane was my favorite is because he's a new character and still one of my favorites while the others were old news, so I was probably hyped up about Bane quite a bit more than the others for a short period of time, given he was fresh and the others had started to lose their touch. Still doesn't change the fact that Ulic will always be my favorite character, with the others closely following behind.



I know that, I was just explaining why I was going out o m way to defend Bane.



True say.



The one in the NEGTC also looks pretty awesome.

curious as to why i cant find bane in the databank then? or did i just miss it the 5 times i looked? If he was officially recognized, wouldn't he at least be on there?

Well let's see, he's mentioned in most of the PT novelisation which people seem to consider on par with the movies in terms of canon.

There's this from Bane's wiki article:

The character of Darth Bane, and his creation of the Rule of Two, were created by George Lucas as part of his backstory of the Sith he developed for the prequel trilogy.

But really Subjekt, out of curiosity, why do you even care?

Because if you're going to say that he's officially recognized by GL but he's not even on the OS, it makes me curious. Why do you care if i care? Are you the one who dictates what people can an cant inquire about? And i thought you always said that Wiki wasn't shit?

Maybe, just maybe, it's because you as well as virtually everyone on these boards feel the need to attack my points whenever I post, to the point where I have to reply to everything about 5 times. Surely you can understand how that would be annoying. And before you tell me to just not reply, I like getting the last word in.



Now now Subjekt, haven't we already been through this before? That's right, we have, and it got to the point where I owned you so badly I actually felt sorry for you.I'm actually a little surprised you're so eager for more.



10% of the time, it's bullshit. And all I ever said was that relying on wookie is dumb, I never said that wookie as a whole was dumb, because I disagree with that. I know what Wiki's saying right now is 100% true, ergo I'm not relying on it.

Good god, Noobaris, and the pwnage continues.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Good god, Noobaris, and the pwnage continues.

lol, you really hate this guy, dont you, Sexy?

Everyone here hates him, he just wastes text and gets verbally pwned in every debate.

Plo-Koon now declares that allfg is an infidel!

Apparently, this was declared ages ago, and not just by Plo Koon.

Yup i have to agree, N00baris is just a faggut who wants to be "teh" no.1 rebel in the internet world. sorry faggut cock sucker but as DS said, you get pwned, even by the new debators

Originally posted by allfg


Now now Subjekt, haven't we already been through this before? That's right, we have, and it got to the point where I owned you so badly I actually felt sorry for you.I'm actually a little surprised you're so eager for more. Sorry to burst your ball sack but you have NEVER and i mean never ever fcuking ever pwned subjeckt at all, By right it is the other way round am i correct? Stupid imbecile you just want to act as if your the "malevolent" internet rebel who is so overly fond of getting his testicles torn off and penis frozen to be used as an iced-dildo to shove it up your arsehole which is as small as a 10 cent coin, O wait it became a 50 cent coin did it not? I thought you got ass raped in a minimum security prison by a guy half your size.

Originally posted by allfg



10% of the time, it's bullshit. And all I ever said was that relying on wookie is dumb, I never said that wookie as a whole was dumb, because I disagree with that. I know what Wiki's saying right now is 100% true, ergo I'm not relying on it. Blah blah blah so if its about vader exar revan or other stuff it aint reliable but if its the 10% it has got to be bane, you are a retarted spastic handicapped sick boy. You constantly have banes dick in your mouth and when ever something proves that guy x > bane, You talk cock sing song play ping pong and use wiki and wookie as your backup toilet roll which again gets shredded by more canon sources.

Now shut your hole and pull banes dick out of your mouth

So that means he uses force speed every minute of the damn day? No. And considering he only engages in ONE more proved lightsaber duel in his entire life a duel we the reader witnessed and no mention of Banes "LEET OMG UBAH" speed was made, I'd say its safe to assume it was a one time thing.




Everybody moves as blurs when they use force speed thats nothing new, Luke and Sidious in DE were described as blurs, Mace and Sidious in the ROTS novel were called blurs that even Anakins eyes couldn't follow. I really don't see your point other then your unsupported opinion of leet Bane.




Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx

Whips out PoD

"He waited till the last possible second before unleashing the energy bottled up inside him in a tremendous rush of power. He channled it through his muscels and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped to the rest of the world....The fury and focus that had turned him into a conduit of the dark side's unstoppable power was gone, replaced by hyperconcious awarness of his physical surrondings." - PoD pg 171

You were saying my very intelligent friend

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
"When the Zabraks desperation turned to hopelessness, every impulse in Bane screamed with the desire to take the initiative and end the fight. Instead he let the tantalizing closeness of Siraks defeat feed his appetite for vengeance. The hunger grew with each passing second until it became physical pain tearing away at his insides: The dark side filled him and he felt it on the verge of ripping him apart, splitting his skin and gushing out like a fountain of black blood"

You were saying my oh so intelligent friend

As I said before, he didn't just go "Well I think I'll use force speed now" he gathered the dark side just as I pointed out and the longer he held back the more the dark energy grew till the point that when he was about to pop the power he had gathered was unleashed in a massive burst of force speed. Anther passage supports my view, the fact that he was drained afterwards is a testament to the fact that he gathered energy, had it been as you said he wouldn't have been drained and the bloodthirsty rage he had been feeling would have remained.




LOL, like that will ever happen.





Nice job at staying consistent! Even still we've also been through this and I (and many others) provided both out of universe explanations and in universe explanations. Yoda's, Mace's and Sidious's speed in the EU does not contradict the movies, and is perfectly admissible in logical debate.


Not to mention that what you're saying makes zero sense, GL fully recognises Bane as the first DLOTS...

Since when does a novel stand on the same level of canon as the movies? Oh thats right never, till you give me an official statement by George Lucas saying he created Bane and that he see's him as the first I'll concede the point, till then I could give a f*ck what Wookiepedia says.



I prefer Kas'im, Ulic Quel-Droma, Nomi Sunrider and Bastilla... You don't have to believe me, I don't really care, the only reason it may have seemed like Bane was my favorite is because he's a new character and still one of my favorites while the others were old news, so I was probably hyped up about Bane quite a bit more than the others for a short period of time, given he was fresh and the others had started to lose their touch. Still doesn't change the fact that Ulic will always be my favorite character, with the others closely following behind.

Whatever.

I know that, I was just explaining why I was going out o m way to defend Bane.

Again, don't care.

The one in the NEGTC also looks pretty awesome.

No, thats the one that makes him look like a gay parade participant.

@ allfg:

L O L!!! Whatever you want keep thinking there, sparky! Please give me more...I'd like to see that, especially when I asked you a simple question. Whenever you're ready cupcake...I'm here.

Except there was no need for his speed to be elaborated on at any other point in the book to such a degree. The fact is, Bane grew much more powerful after this point (like 20 times more powerful), so it's ridiculous to assume that he couldn't move much faster, let alone at an on par level of speed.



It's not just that he was able to move in blurs, he was actually able to move at speeds too quick for powerful trained force users to see or react to, so fast that time seemed to literally stop for everyone else. The degree of speed that Bane could move at is pretty much untouchable except by DE Sidious and NJO (and beyond) Luke.



Seeing as the whole Mace and Sidious issue contradicts the movies, I'll ignore that. So that just leaves DE Luke (who shouldn't really count given he was being powered up by battle meditation as you yourself recently pointed out) and DE Sidious. So just Sidious actually, who moved at comparable speeds. You see, that's my point, only the top dogs such as Sidious can match Bane in speed, which is what makes it so impressive.



No, you're misinterpreting the text completely, and taking it too literally; the darkside in this context isn't the power or energy of the darkside, but the raw emotions associated with it. Bane had simply been holding himself from fighting at his best for the entire duel, when all he wanted to do was demolish Sirak on the spot, and the fact that he had to force himself to be patient was unbearable, and filling him with anger so unbearable that it was almost like 'a physical pain tearing away at his inside.' He then simply chose to release his anger, and give in to the darkside, and that was why he was able to generate those speeds: he was no longer restraining himself. It's not because he was gathering darkside energies, because that's completely false, it's simply because he chose to finally quit holding back.



Where is it said that he was drained afterwards?



Anyways I decided to bump this thread because I've noticed that lots of people rate Exar above Bane, and I just don't see why. So, what really puts Exar above Bane?

Exar Kun.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Except there was no need for his speed to be elaborated on at any other point in the book to such a degree. The fact is, Bane grew much more powerful after this point (like 20 times more powerful), so it's ridiculous to assume that he couldn't move much faster, let alone at an on par level of speed.

Keep bringing those nice unsupported numbers. Hey...Ulic did go through an "astonishing transformation" after facing Kun. He must have become 200 Billion times more powerful than he was before the duel.



And TPM Kenobi, and TPM Qui-Gon, and Naddist Uprising Ulic, and Mace Windu, and RotS Sidious and...shall I really continue this list ?



Seeing as you are f*cking retarded to still cling to this stupid notion of utter nonsense I personally wish back times in which children like you were left to perish on windswept crags.



Oh. Let's see:

Force:
a) complete knowledge of everything in terms of Sith Magic and Sith Alchemy including techniques that were wiped from the Galaxy with his death (e.g. the ability to tear the spirit of a force user out of his body)

b) vast amount of raw force power further boosted by his amulet and him being marked by Ragnos (which obviously had the effect that Ulic in terms of power appeared as if he has gone through an "astonishing transformation"

c) Deadly Sith amulet with enough power to rip walls apart and exterminate the spirit of Freedon Nadd. Bane's better not being hit with that.

Combat:
a) unique weapon and unique combat style both designed in less than six months. Both totally unfamilar for Bane.

b) master of Makashi, Djem So and Jar'kai at least. The second is Bane's own style, the third is the style Kas'im used to defeat Bane in their nice saber duel. I guess that alone means a damn lot of problems for Bane.

Really. Kun would kick Bane's sorry ass. Either he would come up with force powers that Bane did never even hear a word about and obliterate him or he would trash him in a lightsaber duel.

Is this still even a debate? Kun is superior to Bane in saber and force knowledge.

Well let's see, taking into account the facts that by the time he had performed mentioned feat, he:

1. Was somewhat fatigued and drained.

2. Gains a subsequent two years of training and experience until BotS.

3. Goes through 4 individual major power surges where he literally doubles in power each time - when he finds Revan's holocron, when he finds a jedi holcoron, when he drains that family on Ambria, and when he finds Nadd's holcron.

4. Gains possession of the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps him up with darkside energies, which would theoretically give him an infinite amount of force reserves depending on how much he stores,

I'd say that the numbers would realistically be on the higher side, I was just saying 20 to be fair, it was much more likely a much higher increase, which makes sense, given how by BotS he can casually move around moons.



TPM Kenobi and Jinn don't move so fast that we don't actually see them, they still register on our non force sensitive eyes, so really what point are you trying to make by bringing them up? Ulic only ever appears in comics, lol, aka still media, where time can't really be calculated. Sure he moves in blurs, but faster than the speeds Bane was able to move at? No proof whatsoever for such a claim. Mace Windu and RotS Sidious' speeds contradict the movies, so they don't count, unfortunately.



Ok now don't lose your temper big guy. Take a chill power, sit down, and relax. Let your hair down.



Yeah, since when does force knowledge ever make such a big deal? Bane already knows the entire BoD archives inside out, everything the masters at the academy had to trach via Githany, everything from that jedi holocron he discovered, most of the stuff and more importantly the most important stuff contained in Darth Revan's holocron (which contained of such things like the foce storm, force drain, a number of ancient sith rituals), and as much as he could from Nadd's holocron which by Bane's own admission contained even more than Revan's. Really, they both know enough to the point where who has more knowledge doesn't matter. As long as Bane knows how to attack with the force, defend with the force, and a few other basic tricks, he should be fine. Variety's always nice, but it's not necessary.



And Bane, being the sith'ari, likely has the greatest force connection for any sith. Let's not also forget the fact that the orbalisks constantly pump him with darkside energies, which theoretically give him an infinite supply of the force to use. Bane > Kun in raw force power.



Which Bane can replicate the function of to a much greater effect without even needing a fricking amulet to do it and relying on his own power. BTW, the blasts are totally blockable. Given Bane's insane TK abilities (which are greater than the destructive capabilities of the amulet blasts), I wouldn't be surprised if he just pushed the blasts back in Kun's face.



Bane gets the same advantages. He can wield a saberstaff to Kas'im's 7 advanced forms, which is completely unfamiliar to Kun. And what?



LOL, didn't Advent already defeat these points? There's no proof that Kun was even adept with Makashi, according to Advent that piece of info was fabricated. Djem So, I'll give to you, even though I don't recall it being confirmed. Well we know that he at least mastered one form as well as his own, so it doesn't matter which one anyways. Jar'Kai? LOL! I guess Anakin is a master of Jar'Kai too, given he wielded the form to great effect against Dooku on the spot. Yeah, that would be correct if we ignore the fact that wielding a form once, however well you do it, doesn't make you a master of it. Anyways, Bane can perfectly wield the saberstaff, with mastery of every move and sequence there is too the weapon. Advantage: bane.



Yeah, right. Notice how I haven't even bothered making a case for Bane yet, just addressed your points. As soon as I do, we'll all see just exactly how outmatched Kun is in this case.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
3. Goes through 4 individual major power surges where he literally doubles in power each time - when he finds Revan's holocron, when he finds a jedi holcoron, when he drains that family on Ambria, and when he finds Nadd's holcron.
I don't know why you keep repeating this point since it has been defeated. Logically, if Nadd HAD a holocron, he would have shown it to Kun or Kun would have found it 3,000 years earlier in his tomb. BOTS was retconned, you lose.



Unfortunately for you the fight was canonically stated to have been slowed down so that we could actually see it, so there's no contradiction. GL and Facts>your stupidity.


Bane knows the entire BOD archives? Yet another baseless assumption with no proof whatsoever. Nadd's holocron has been retconned. Even at his best, his knowledge of the force is nothing compared to an 800 year old jedi master who has basically studied everything.




No, bane was a candidate for the sith'ari, as was Sidious, as was Revan, so your argument fails already based on faulty logic that you pass off as fact. I'm not a psuedointellectual so I couldn't tell you the logical fallacy. Bane is nothing compared to Kun in raw force power.




ROFL!!! Bane's TK abilities are greater than limitless amulet blasts? Good god Noobaris you need to stop lying to yourself. Pushing the blasts back in Kun's face. What a stupid fanboy.




Unfamiliar to Kun? You mean the double blade that KUN CREATED? You're right though Kun wouldn't know anything about a variation of the weapon HE created. Dumbass.




Bane has absolutely no chance against Kun in saber combat, keep trying though.




Except for the fact that, judging by history, you prove more of a point by not saying anything. When you do try to type, you end up embarassing yourself and then trying to convince yourself that you've won a debate and that you've proved your point.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Well let's see, taking into account the facts that by the time he had performed mentioned feat, he:

1. Was somewhat fatigued and drained.

2. Gains a subsequent two years of training and experience until BotS.

3. Goes through 4 individual major power surges where he literally doubles in power each time - when he finds Revan's holocron, when he finds a jedi holcoron, when he drains that family on Ambria, and when he finds Nadd's holcron.

4. Gains possession of the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps him up with darkside energies, which would theoretically give him an infinite amount of force reserves depending on how much he stores,

I'd say that the numbers would realistically be on the higher side, I was just saying 20 to be fair, it was much more likely a much higher increase, which makes sense, given how by BotS he can casually move around moons.

Anakin doubled in power from AotC to RotS. He's the guy with most potential ever and this is only according to his words. It still took him 3 years. So...hmm...I guess your numbers are still ridiculous. And I'm right with that guess.



I love it. Really. We handed you the fact that the movies don't contradict the EU speeds multiple times now. Why do you simply refuse that information ? You can't be THAT stupid and ignorant.



I'm totally relaxed. That doesn't change my oppinion that people like you are just - without justification - breathing my precious air. To me you're just an example of carbon based wastage.



Let me again type this down for you. The BoD archieves were constructed from a single Sith holocron. If anything they were just scrapes of what remained of Kun's own knowledge. There is no way that Bane came close to the amount of knowledge Kun had in his hands and in his head. And how the hell is Bane going to defend against force attack from Exar Kun. Like: Technique that tore Luke's spirit from his body. A technique that even Luke didn't know any defence against. Sith amulet. Both coming from a guy who's weakend, half-mad spirit was capable of force choking about ten people at the same time. Hmm...



Nope. The legend of the Sith'ari doesn't talk about force connection or power. So stop coming up with that bullshit. Kun's amulet increases his hatred (and thereby his power) thousands of time. Stated by the omniscient narrator. Really. Kun outright managed to escape a wall of light attack that was formed by several thousands of Jedi. Bane is a joke compared to that.



Since when can force energy (immaterial) be affected via TK ? Assclown. Aside of the fact we never saw this "totally blockable" blasts being blocked.



There are no "advanced" seven form. Get it into your head. Even then, Bane didn't master them. Purely form V. And Kun did INVENT the freaking saberstaff. Got that now ?



Ok, dipshit.

a) Kun is shown to wield his double-blade one-handed. The only one-handed combat style in the SW universe is. DAMN. MAKASHI ! No shit. Aside of that the inventor of the lightsaber forms lists Kun as Maksahi user. So ?

b) His duel against Ulic: Clearly Djem So.

c) Ah well. Kun utilized Jar'kai good enough to defeat a 600 year old Jedi Master. Where Kun managed to keep two blades in hand against Dooku how long exactly ? 5 seconds ?



Oh yeah. Give me your cheap entertainment, dude. Make one of your infamous Bane arguments again. Have it torn apart again. Really. We can use the EOD debate and quote it. I'm bored to own your sorry ass over and over again. It's not even fun since your IQ happens to be below that of a dead jellyfish.

Except potential has nothing to do with how quickly you progress. So you fail again, unlucky.



Yeah, and I went over the link again the other day, and Lightsnake phrased the question extremely strangely, it's likely Leland Chan didn't know what he was saying. The facts are: The movies are the highest form of canon. The movies are not theatre adaption, but visual mediums with the purpose of perfectly showing what happens in the story. In other words, arguing that Mace and Sidious weren't moving as slowly as they were shown to be in the movie is arguing against canon.



Really? The 'whoopies' in the other thread suggest otherwise. Seriously dude, calm down, control yourself, and stop jumping around like a raving madman.



Hmmmmmmmmmmm........ Maybe, just maybe, he'll use a force shield, like he does for defending against every other offensive technique used against him, silly one. The force shield is a universal defence, it's function is to defend against any force based attacks, and it would be sufficient a defence in this instance.



What don't you get about 'perfect power, perfect strength, perfect destiny?' What don't you get about 'near perfect and immortal being?' What don't you get about 'ultimate sith, a sort of sith chosen one?' Really Nai, learn to read, you've been spending way too much time jumping around screaming 'Whoopie,' PAY MORE ATTENTION!!!



Where the hell does it say thousands of times? from what I remember, it doubled, provide proof or stop talking rubbish.



Where's the proof for this? Only a select few of the Jedi even knew the wall of light technique.



Yeah, where the hell is it said that the amulet blasts are immaterial? That's complete rubbish. And the reason we never see them being blocked is because they were only ever used against people who suck. There's a reason why Kun didn't use them against ulic, you know, and it's because they're not as uber as you see to think.



Actually it was directly stated by the omniscient narrator that he knew every move and sequence to the saberstaff perfectly. And yes, there are 'advanced forms', Kas'im perfected and completed all seven standard forms (what Mace did to Juyo, except kas'im did it to all the forms). And so what Kun invented the saberstaff? the knowledge of how he did so presumably died with him, so clearly it was (along with a style) created again with no prior knowledge to work from, thus it would be completely different to Kun's. Thus, Bane's form is as alien to Kun as Kun's is to Bane.




http://swtimeline.ru/?comics=11&page=009
ZOMG, D4rtH Mavl wieldz MAkashi!!!
Yeah, right. Now as you just mentioned, the form was the one Kun used with his saberstaff, which he made, so it definitely can't have been Makashi. Unless you'd go as far as to propose that Kun invented Makashi. Doublebladed style!! Yipee!!!



LOL! Yeah, if I actually cared whether he had mastered Djem So or not (I don't, because it doesn't matter), I'm thinking I might not be trusting your comicbook analysing skills anytime too soon. Sorry.



Right, except for the fact that it wasn't his prowess which gave him the win, but the fact that Vodo's stick couldn't handle two blades. But anyways, I don't care if he was good with the form, he was still never a master of it. It's not like he'd use it in a fight anyways, what with his saberstaff, so it's all irrelevant anyways.



Yeah, I really don't need to, I'm fine with defeating every one of your points as I get through them, it's much funner this way, and less energy consuming!!

Nebaris, stop acting so damn ignorant on the "movie speeds" issue. We've read the thread where Chee specifically states that the movie speeds do not contradict the EU speeds; if the RotS novelization says that Sidious was "a blur", then guess what? He was a blur, and this is an irrefutable fact. If you keep challenging it, I'll report you to REX or Ushgarak, and they can take it over from here, and Ush is pretty much "final" in his decisions.

Originally posted by Borbarad
a) Kun is shown to wield his double-blade one-handed. The only one-handed combat style in the SW universe is. DAMN. MAKASHI ! No shit. Aside of that the inventor of the lightsaber forms lists Kun as Maksahi user. So ?

There certainly are several lightsaber users, who don't practice Makashi, that we've seen fight with one hand. Anakin, for instance against Cin Drallig, and Obi-Wan. Ki-Adi-Mundi blocks incoming blaster fire with only using a single hand. Obi-Wan Kenobi, when he twirls his lightsaber like a baton for seemingly no reason at all.

Exar Kun only utilizes two strikes with his double bladed lightsaber against Vodo. He draws it back, launches one attack, and finally drives the blade through Vodo-Siosk Baas' quarterstaff. Both are hammer like strikes. From that, he must be proficient in Form II? I don't see how that's necessarily true at all. Aside from the fact on every single occasion, he's clearly shown using his brute strength to its utmost effectiveness with two hands, save for his second bout as a padawan (when it would be impossible).

If you're referring to Star Wars Insider, issue 62, as the "inventor of lightsaber forms", then you're wrong there. Exar Kun was never noted as being proficient in Makashi:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7268/fightsaber3lgos5.th.png

I have all the pages regarding the Fightsaber article, and not a single mention of "Exar Kun" appears throughout the entire essay. Kun being a practitioner of Makashi was fabricated by some site; it's completely false.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Where the hell does it say thousands of times? from what I remember, it doubled, provide proof or stop talking rubbish.

The actual source material, Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4677/kuntempleamuletbs0.th.png

"Exar Kun suddenly feels his rage multiply a thousand times...then a hundred thousand times...". You are apparently confusing the amulet increasing its discharge power through Exar Kun's anger with the fact that the amulet augments Kun's rage itself, which is what Nai is referring to.



http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4194/walloflightyavin4shn0.th.png

And the New Essential Chronology, page 20 sates that the Jedi forces did indeed generate a wall of light on Yavin IV. It doesn't really matter if all the Jedi knew the ability or not, because as we see when Vodo-Siosk Baas and Nomi Sunrider utilize the power on Ulic, several other Jedi add their power. So, it's not necessity for all of them to be acquainted with the technique.

Well Nai was still kinda wrong, it was his rage that was multiplied a thousand times, not his power. As for the wall of light, it still only says that many Jedi used the technique on yavin, it doesn't say that all 1000 of them did so, and the range would surely have made a big impact; they were pretty far from Kun when performing the attack, so it can be assumed that it lost some of its power over the range.

This is still SPARTA!!!

Originally posted by Gideon
Nebaris, stop acting so damn ignorant on the "movie speeds" issue. We've read the thread where Chee specifically states that the movie speeds do not contradict the EU speeds; Then its safe to say vader isnt slow

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Well Nai was still kinda wrong, it was his rage that was multiplied a thousand times, not his power.

No, he stated that his hatred was increased, and because of that his power would've been, as well (not times a thousand, but still).



No, every single one of the Jedi conjoined their power into the attack (see: JA Sourcebook, tDSSB says "their combined power", which supports a deduction), and that was virtually all the Jedi in the galaxy, literally "thousands upon thousands". I don't know where you get the one thousand figure from.

They set the planet ablaze (by accident), and cleansed the entire thing, so that "nothing could survive". I'm not seeing how the 'range' would've played a substantial role going by sheer numbers alone.

I've already said that every single Jedi didn't actually have to use the ability itself, they merely supplement the strength of the attack by adding their own power, as we have seen demonstrated before, which was already pointed out by myself. Vodo-Siosk Baas and Nomi Sunrider are the ones who know the "blocking" of the force ability, yet Cay Qel-Droma, Dace Diath, and the others give their support to "cement the temporary wall of light".

Originally posted by Kadesh
Then its safe to say vader isnt slow

That would depend on your definition of "slow". Is he slow to the point that a 5-year-old kid could out run him? No. Is he slower than the truly "fast" Jedi and Sith? Yes.

Originally posted by Gideon
That would depend on your definition of "slow". Is he slow to the point that a 5-year-old kid could out run him? No. Is he slower than the truly "fast" Jedi and Sith? Yes. Well we have seen him performing acrobatics... and in RODV he was quite agile

Originally posted by Kadesh
Well we have seen him performing acrobatics... and in RODV he was quite agile

That is irrelevant. Logic dictates that he isn't one of the fastest Jedi or Sith, nor is he a contender. He's not slow, but he's not super fast or agile, either.

Originally posted by Gideon
That is irrelevant. Logic dictates that he isn't one of the fastest Jedi or Sith, nor is he a contender. He's not slow, but he's not super fast or agile, either. Well i was noting the point because n00baris likes to ramble how shitty vader is when it comes to lightsaber combat, With what you just told me about chees statement, i can now argue using what vader has done in the EU with his lightsaber and completely destroy nebaris pathetic "rebuttals".


Well yes vader is decent, neither slow nor really fast

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
http://swtimeline.ru/?comics=11&page=009
ZOMG, D4rtH Mavl wieldz MAkashi!!!


I think I said that about a year ago.

Originally posted by Gideon
This is still SPARTA!!!

LOL, someone got ignored!






























JK sexy, I still love you, and this is Sparta, and I'm Xerxes, b1tch.

How'd I get ignored? You responded.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Except potential has nothing to do with how quickly you progress. So you fail again, unlucky.


I can't believe how stupid you really are. So potential has nothing to do with progress ? Hence Luke was capable of becoming a Jedi with less than six months of training ? Potential obviously matters a lot.



No, idiot. Once again: The movies are showing what happens in a way the audience is able to actually perceive it. It doesn't make sense to put things not perceiveable into a movie. Just imagine the look of combatants moving so fast that they are just perceiveable as blurs on screen. You would just see some blurs of color depending on what the people wear. Actually I can't believe that I have to explain that concept as five year old kids are normally able to understand it.



Oh yes, dude. Aside from the fact that a force shield only offers limited protection, Kun in terms of raw power is leagues above Bane. Meaning he could overwrite any defence Bane can come up with.



Why do you always come up with Yuthura Ban's personal interpretation of the prophecy ? The prophecy only says that Sith'ari will

a) be a being that fits the Sith ideal (no restrictions) perfectly
b) lead the Sith
c) destroy them just to make them stronger

And while I don't have any doubt that Bane does actually fit that description the best, that doesn't translate into "epitome of power". And where did you get that "near perfect and immortal being" from ? Or the "ultimate Sith" ?

Really. You should learn to apply some logical reasoning when trying to construct an argument. Kun had by far more knowledge than Bane and more force power, naturally as well as through his "gimmicks". That's pretty apparent.



See Advents posting.



See Advents posting.



Remind me. Since when do energy beams consist of matter, eh ? This is force energy as you might have noticed. What you said is basically that Bane could "force push a force choke" so to say. That's complete rubbish.



Even if Kas'im perfected (meaning: made better) the lightsaber forms they would still be based on the original forms. Yet Bane still just uses form V which is Kun's normal form. So he would now Bane's form at least far better than Bane would know his.



Oh yeah. I did forget I'm talking to an idiot.
KLICK ME

The author of the original article (David West Reynolds) lists Kun as Makashi user.



Since that was the only way known to wield a lightsaber when the comics were written, you don't need any interpretation. The two-handed powerful lightsaber swings are pretty much speaking for themselves.



Your fine with living in your happy world of denial. Stay there. Have fun. But don't try to debate.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Except potential has nothing to do with how quickly you progress. So you fail again, unlucky.You are a super idiot.