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ROTS Kenobi and Obsesion Asajj versus EU General Grievous and Darth Maul. The fight is with lightsabers only and it takes place in Geonosis Arena.

I think Kenobi could still beat Grievous, seeing as his form is perfect against him, and Mace saw him as the fittest to beat him. Dooku also thought Kenobi could handle Grievous before his injuries.
However, I doubt Assaj can, her offensive will simply not compare to Grievous. And didn't he beat both Durge and Assaj at once? Or was that un-canon?


I think Assaj could fight Maul to a close one, both were damn skilled, Assaj took on Anakin some months before ROTS and did very well although she lost, which probably would be the same deal for Maul. But I think I would put Maul's swordsmanship above Assaj's, and though I'd put Assaj's force use over Maul's, force powers are abscent here.
Obi could probably handle Maul as well after a drawn out fight.


I'd say that Kenobi and Assaj win if Obi fights Grievous and Assaj Maul. It's harder to know how long Assaj will survive against Grievous, and how long it will take Maul to do a mistake for Obi to defeat him by, so I guess GG and Maul would win in the other case.

Originally posted by kamikz
And didn't he beat both Durge and Assaj at once? Or was that un-canon?
Dooku tested Grievous' Combat capabilities by pitting him against Asajj and Durge on Trenchant Space Station. And Grievous was victorious in that fight. This event happened six months before the Battle of Geonosis.

Originally posted by kamikz
and how long it will take Maul to do a mistake for Obi to defeat him by.
What kind of logic is this?

Do you think that Maul will always consciously make a mistake during a duel with Obi-Wan? He did not made any silly mistake when he was fighting both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon at the sametime. He did not made any silly mistake when he faced the Jedi Master alone and killed him.

He however did made a silly mistake by under-estimating Obi-Wan, when he force-pushed Obi-Wan in to that pitfall and Obi-Wan seemed to be badly stuck in it. Maul was too sure of his victory but he never anticipated any surprise move from Obi-Wan and thus fell victim to his own mis-judgment.

This however does not means that Maul will make silly mistakes when engaging Obi-Wan in a proper duel in any other case. He will also try his best.

Now I am not saying that both Obi-Wan and Maul are perfect in every sense and they both cannot make mis-judgments or mistakes. But still Maul will do his best when he will feel threatened from Obi-Wan and he can also resort to using his Force Mastery during the duel. Same goes for Obi-Wan as well.

Obi-Wan however will have an edge because of his Soresu Mastery and Maul will be having hard time in trying to penetrate his defenses. A small chance is that Maul can possibly make a silly offensive move, which will open him for the attack. It will be a close fight indeed though.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku tested Grievous' Combat capabilities by pitting him against Asajj and Durge on Trenchant Space Station. And Grievous was victorious in that fight. This event happened six months before the Battle of Geonosis.


What kind of logic is this?

Do you think that Maul will always consciously make a mistake during a duel with Obi-Wan? He did not made any silly mistake when he was fighting both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon at the sametime. He did not made any silly mistake when he faced the Jedi Master alone and killed him.

He however did made a silly mistake by under-estimating Obi-Wan, when he force-pushed Obi-Wan in to that pitfall and Obi-Wan seemed to be badly stuck in it. Maul was too sure of his victory but he never anticipated any surprise move from Obi-Wan and thus fell victim to his own mis-judgment.

This however does not means that Maul will make silly mistakes when engaging Obi-Wan in a proper duel in any other case. He will also try his best.

Now I am not saying that both Obi-Wan and Maul are perfect in every sense and they both cannot make mis-judgments or mistakes. But still Maul will do his best when he will feel threatened from Obi-Wan and he can also resort to using his Force Mastery during the duel. Same goes for Obi-Wan as well.

Obi-Wan however will have an edge because of his Soresu Mastery and Maul will be having hard time in trying to penetrate his defenses. A small chance is that Maul can possibly make a silly offensive move, which will open him for the attack. It will be a close fight indeed though.


WTF is that? Did I every say that he would make a mistake because he had made one against TPM Obi-Wan? No, hell no. Like all, Obi-Wan uses his form to prolong a fight until he can find an opening, mostly when the enemy has made a mistake or a flaw in their fighting style, which he will take advantage of. And that's what I was saying.
And I could go ahead and do the same thing.
"Did Grievous ever do a mistake when facing 5 jedi at once, toying them? Did Grievous ever make a mistake when killing all the other jedi he was known for?". Yet Obi-Wan exploited many flaws, because that is what he does.

Originally posted by kamikz
WTF is that? Did I every ****ing say that he would make a mistake because he had made one against TPM Obi-Wan? No, hell no. Like all, Obi-Wan uses his form to prolong a fight until he can find an opening, mostly when the enemy has made a mistake or a flaw in their fighting style, which he will take advantage of. And that's what I was saying.
And I could go ahead and do the same thing.
Obi-Wan does uses his preferred Saber Form to prolong a fight if he is facing a skilled opponent but this does not means that every opponent will fall victim to his strategy.

For example: Dooku never fell victim to any strategy used by Obi-Wan. Now I know that Dooku's Force Mastery is greater then that of Maul and he used it to over-power and defeat Obi-Wan in ROTS but Maul is also not weak in the Force. He easily Force-pushed a very angry TPM Obi-Wan in to that pitfall when he was in trouble. Now of-course ROTS Obi-Wan is > TPM Obi-Wan, so Force-pushing him won't be an easy thing or it might not be possible for Maul to Force-push ROTS Obi-Wan. Still you should note that Maul is very acrobatic in combat and he also fights with great skill.

And you forgot to note that Maul is young and strong like Obi-Wan. He too fights with patience and this is how he managed to fight both Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan at the sametime and did so with great skill. He also never showed any signs of getting tired during the entire duel. And throughout that duel, Maul remained confident that he will win and he managed to kill a more powerful Jedi from the pair in that fight without much difficulty.

Now this does not means that Maul cannot make a mistake. Like I said before that their is a small chance that Maul can make a certain offensive move against Obi-Wan that can expose him to an attack from his opponent. As Maul is not an exception in case of making mis-judgments or errors.

But again it is not necessary that Obi-Wan cannot make any mistake in a fight. What I am saying is that he is also not perfect in every sense. He too can make a mistake during a fight. Though chances of that would be low as he is a highly experienced Jedi Master. But experience does not always gives you edge in dangerous situations. So I am just actually talking about more then one possibility here. If Obi-Wan makes an error, then Maul can take advantage of that and if Maul makes an error then Obi-Wan can take advantage of that. Now you can believe that chances of making mistakes would be lower in case of Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by kamikz
"Did Grievous ever do a mistake when facing 5 jedi at once, toying them? Did Grievous ever make a mistake when killing all the other jedi he was known for?". Yet Obi-Wan exploited many flaws, because that is what he does.
The simple answer is that Grievous was not as skilled in Saber Combat as Obi-Wan was and Grievous lacked an important factor known as "patience" during combat. Also Grievous could not use Force against Obi-Wan.

And Maul's fighting style is not like that of Grievous. Now I am not saying that Grievous was not skilled in Saber Combat (he eventually was good) or generally sucked but Obi-Wan himself said in the end after defeating Grievous that he was "too un-civilized".

Grievous' fighting style was unorthodox in nature and he was impatient and these factors put him in to trouble when he faced a highly skilled and experienced Jedi "Obi-Wan" in combat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Obi-Wan does uses his preferred Saber Form to prolong a fight if he is facing a skilled opponent but this does not means that every opponent will fall victim to his strategy.

For example: Dooku never fell victim to any strategy used by Obi-Wan. Now I know that Dooku's Force Mastery is greater then that of Maul and he used it to over-power Obi-Wan in ROTS but Maul is also not weak in the Force. He easily Force-pushed a very angry TPM Obi-Wan in to that pitfall when he was in trouble. Now of-course ROTS Obi-Wan is > TPM Obi-Wan, so Force-pushing him won't be an easy thing. Still you should note that Maul is very acrobatic in combat and he also fights with great skill.

And you forgot to note that Maul is young and strong like Obi-Wan. He too fights with patience and this is how he managed to fight both Gui-Gon and Obi-Wan at the sametime and never showed any signs of getting tired during the entire duel. And throughout that duel, Maul remained confident that he will win and he managed to kill a more powerful Jedi from the pair in that fight without much difficulty.

Now this does not means that Maul cannot make a mistake. Like I said before that their is a small chance that Maul can make a certain offensive move against Obi-Wan, that can expose him to an attack from his opponent. As Maul is not an exception in case of making mis-judgments or errors.

But again it is not necessary that Obi-Wan cannot make any mistake in a fight. What I am saying is that he is also not perfect in every sense. He too can make a mistake during a fight. Though chances of that would be low as he is a highly experienced Jedi Master. But experience does not always gives you edge in dangerous situations. So I am just actually talking about more then one possibility. If Obi-Wan makes an error, then Maul can take advantage of that and if Maul makes an error then Obi-Wan can take advantage of that. Now you can believe that chances of making mistakes would be lower in case of Obi-Wan.


The simple answer is that Grievous was not as skilled in Saber Combat as Obi-Wan was and Grievous lacked an important factor known as "patience" during combat. Also Grievous could not use Force against Obi-Wan.

And Maul's fighting style is not like that of Grievous. Now I am not saying that Grievous was not skilled in Saber Combat (he eventually was good) or generally sucked but Obi-Wan himself said in the end after defeating Grievous that he was "too un-civilized".

Grievous' fighting style was unorthodox in nature and that put him in to trouble when he faced a Jedi as skilled as Obi-Wan.



Of course I have not stated that Maul HAVE to make a mistake, but something will happen in the duel, and as we on KMC have agreed that ROTS Kenobi > Maul, I don't see it likely that Obi will make the first mistake and drop his defence, certainley not since he is the one watching and waiting, not trying to get through.
Many of Maul's battles have been easy for him (and he really longed for a great duel), he has all right to be confident and patient, seeing how he toys with most. But here, Obi is his superior in swordsmanship most likely, and it will get frustrating for Maul to bash and bash and never get through, it always is. Anyway, I'd see Maul doing more mistakes than Obi, which is actually the only way either are gonna win.


Grievous was one of the more skilled in saber actually, and he did not even have to wait that long before Obi-Wan exploited his weak points. Grievous also fought many jedi, not quite on Obi's calibur, but not THAT far away, and many at once, with ease, hell, he even pushed Dooku to the limit with his unorthodox style, and Mace was pushed to, only to just knock him off a train, so it IS good against very strong opponents.

And I always thought the "so unciviliced" was because Obi-Wan used a blaster to kill him. Cause as Obi said in ANH, a lightsaber is of the more civiliced age...

Wasn't he talking about Grievous when he said 'so uncivilised?'

That's what we're discussing, I always though it because Obi-Wan used a blaster.

(Him looking at it, then tossing it away, Obi-Wan calling the blaster un-civiliced and the lightsaber civiliced in ANH)

Kenobi would engage Maul in a duel while Asajj and Grievous would fight. Asajj'd die first and then together Maul and Grievous would pwn Kenobi.


But if Kenobi fought Grievous and Maul fought Asajj then Grievous and Asajj'd die at the same time, and then Kenobi'd take Maul out. But I think that Asajj and Grievous would fight each other first because Asajj would want to prove herself superior to Grievous while Maul and Kenobi would want to have a re-match.

To be fair, Grievous is highly underestimated as a combatant. Dooku's own thoughts in Labyrinth of Evil make it clear that he was - at times - extremely hard-pressed to outduel him. He also gave Mace a hard time during their brief conflict on top of the mag-lev train.

The fact that Grievous was defeated by Obi-Wan is taken out of context. The novelization makes it clear that Obi-Wan was chosen specifically because of his style - it's defensive (where Grievous is always offensive) and Soresu doesn't answer any weakness, implying that only someone with an extremely skilled defense capability would be able to defeat Grievous without dying in the process (this is excluding the likes of Yoda - who would defeat Grievous anyways).

So, if you put someone like Anakin in a fight with Grievous, it is logical to assume that - even though Anakin's lightsaber prowess is, technically, more advanced than Obi-Wan's own - he would indeed have a much harder time because, not only is he extremely offensive-based, but he is also predictable.

Which is the final advantage in Grievous's lexicon. Sidious's technicians implanted him with computer-analysis properties that allowed him to predict all the lightsaber forms, which gave him the chance to counter. The only form that this didn't apply to completely was Vaapad, which is the most unpredictable lightsaber form. It managed to partially analyze Vaapad, however, which is why he gave Mace such a hard time.

"Darth Maul did not make mistakes."

-Shadow Hunter.

His arrogance on Naboo was an isolated incident. He was trained to be "smarter than any foe could anticipate." -Ultimate Visual Guide
He was so eager to kill Jedi that he was, for the first time, fatally (or significantly) arrogant in battle. In his previous battles he killed without hesitation like clockwork.

Just a few points.

Pretty close, but GG and Maul have a greater chance...

GG takes down Asajj, while Maul holds Kenobi. Then, GG comes and aids Maul to pwn Kenobi. GG is actually better than many think. Only a highly DEFENSIVE may counter his agressive and offensive style, making him a very tough opponent for any Jedi. And even though someone who fights GG with a defensive form, the wielder must be a master in it, becuz if not, surely GG will penetrate his/her defense. And, Asajj, doesnt have a VERY good defense, so she will die.

Well, this is a very close fight. Obi-wan should be able to hold off GG for a very long time. It really comes down to if Asajj can kill Maul or not. Mauls good and all, but Asajj took down at least 17 Jedi. It's real close.

I'd give it to Maul.

He mastered the lightsaber. He was trained to be smarter, stronger and faster than any opponent. He is like Asajj, but excels by a small margin in each area.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
I'd give it to Maul.

He mastered the lightsaber. He was trained to be smarter, stronger and faster than any opponent. He is like Asajj, but excels by a small margin in each area. I think Maul is better than her in both saber skills and the force. At least he is a Sith while she is not.

Sidious meant Maul to be the ultimate melee tool. He focused more in making him an unbeateable lightsaber combatant rather than a powerful Force user, becus he knew he was gonna have a MUCH harder time turning Anakin to the Dark Side if Qui-Gon was alive. So, therefore, Maul isn't really that very much strong in the Force.

Maul isn't Yoda, but i don't think he is weak in the Force, give the guy some credit.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
"Darth Maul did not make mistakes."

-Shadow Hunter.

His arrogance on Naboo was an isolated incident. He was trained to be "smarter than any foe could anticipate." -Ultimate Visual Guide
He was so eager to kill Jedi that he was, for the first time, fatally (or significantly) arrogant in battle. In his previous battles he killed without hesitation like clockwork.

Just a few points.


Yet he did make a few mistakes, so the quote doesn't hold ground. However, I can see the point where it is quite unusual that Maul would make a mistake, but he has never faced someone as good as Obi-Wan in combat, nor someone with the same style as far as I know.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Maul isn't Yoda, but i don't think he is weak in the Force, give the guy some credit.
Amen to that.


Originally posted by kamikz
Yet he did make a few mistakes, so the quote doesn't hold ground. However, I can see the point where it is quite unusual that Maul would make a mistake, but he has never faced someone as good as Obi-Wan in combat, nor someone with the same style as far as I know.

You do realize that Maul had just beat Qui Gon, right? He's a better duelist that Obi Wan, who uses the same form. Also, he has killed Anoon who was the battlemaster, so I'm guessing he knew Ataru.

Anyway, Maul won't make a stupid mistake like that, it's not like him to. Him being overconfident again is like assuming that Obi Wan would use the darkside again. It's just not like the character, unless there are specific conditions.

No, I never said that sort of event would happen, all I said was that Maul could clearly make mistakes, and he has. (He also failed to deflect some blaster bolts perfectly, which disappointed him. This is a mistake, no matter how small. I'm just saying this so no one would come and scream "Maul cannot do mistakes cause SH said so". Not implying that you are...)

Anyway, it doesn't necessarily have to be mistakes either that Obi-Wan is looking for, more of an opening. Though an opening often comes when people do some small mistake, which could very well happen to anyone, no matter how good. We've put Obi by ROTS above Maul, so I'd put my money on Maul to make this first opening/mistake.

Originally posted by kamikz
No, I never said that sort of event would happen, all I said was that Maul could clearly make mistakes, and he has. (He also failed to deflect some blaster bolts perfectly, which disappointed him. This is a mistake, no matter how small. I'm just saying this so no one would come and scream "Maul cannot do mistakes cause SH said so". Not implying that you are...)

Anyway, it doesn't necessarily have to be mistakes either that Obi-Wan is looking for, more of an opening. Though an opening often comes when people do some small mistake, which could very well happen to anyone, no matter how good. We've put Obi by ROTS above Maul, so I'd put my money on Maul to make this first opening/mistake.

He was rushed when he didn't deflect the bolts, but that's not what I meant. I mean a mental mistake.

I would say that Obi would beat Maul, but give Maul any advantage at all, then Maul could beat him. The battle would last a hell of a long time. Maul wouldn't be able to pierce Obi Wan's defences, but Maul wouldn't leave himself open. Maul also has never shown any fatigue, while Obi Wan's form is all about keeping flashyness to a minimum and conserving energy. The battle would last a long time, but, eventually, I'd give Kenobi the win... just because.

Still a mistake.



Yes, I'd put Maul as a very fierce combatent against Kenobi, but Obi will take it in the end. Really, because Maul hasn't show fautige doesn't mean he cannot get tired (not saying you said that), he probably will after a long battle such as this. If Kenobi can go through 10 minutes against a (dare I say much?) better swordsman than Maul, on a planet that has lava all around it (would be super hot) and all the emotional struggle, and still not be that tired, I would put his durability at least as equal, and seeing how his form is much less flashy and energy consuming, he would probably last longer.

Anyway, since we both give it to Obi-Wan we might just stop at that.

Sounds good.


Would you agree that Maul could take Asajj?

Hmm I think so, well, in swordsmanship maybe, probably not in the force.

One second thought, Assaj did pretty damn good things, she impressed Windu very much (someone said that she nearly killed him at one time, but I have not seen any proof for this), she took on many jedi at once easily, beat the likes of Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan pretty easily. Don't know if Maul could pull all of that, but probably.

Of course Maul could take down Asajj, he was a Sith Lord, Sidous wouldn't pick a weak apprentice, he had more years practicing the ligtsaber and is physically stronger and wont get tired as quickly.

Asajj is no slouch, but Maul is basically a small step above her in every category.

OK i agree, because Asajj did kill allot of Jedi.

Maul=Sith, Asajj=no Sith

Uhhm, we know this, but thanks to informing us again.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Maul isn't Yoda, but i don't think he is weak in the Force, give the guy some credit.

Yeah, I just said he's not VERY powerful in the Force, i never saud he was weak.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Asajj is no slouch, but Maul is basically a small step above her in every category.

I'm pretty sure Asajj is faster. In DR, it says something like 'only once in a generation was one born with speed and fury like that of Asajj Ventress,' and in virtually any comic she appears in, as well as the CW cartoons, she's insanely quick.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Asajj is no slouch, but Maul is basically a small step above her in every category.


Assaj was compared to Anakin in some cases (Of course she is not close to his potential, but she evolves freakin fast, and she is way better than most, and she was very, very strong), and she is incredibly skilled in both saber and the force. I haven't seen Maul do anything to put him over Assaj in the force.

Assaj could lift tons of things and toss them, she could make a whole roof burst, she could immobilize Kenobi with the force and hold him up in the air, and she could wipe out clones easily with it without even watching them. She could also learn an opponents fighting style and use it against them easily. I think Maul's style would actually be pretty obvious that it focuses around agility and martial moves....

If you still would say that doesn't put her force over Maul's, then she is still using it way better than Maul is. Basically, she is using every oppertunity she can to use the force in battle, whereas Maul doesn't....

I think people are overpowering Asajj, she is good, allot better then an ordinary Jedi, but she is nowhere near Anakin from ROTS.

Please make an argument, for she was able to stand up to him some months before, really good as well.

Originally posted by kamikz
Assaj was compared to Anakin in some cases (Of course she is not close to his potential, but she evolves freakin fast, and she is way better than most, and she was very, very strong), and she is incredibly skilled in both saber and the force. I haven't seen Maul do anything to put him over Assaj in the force.

Maul "mastered the lightsaber" along with martial arts. If Anakin had been around a dozen years earlier, I bet maul could have been compared to him too.



You're right. We've definitely seen more of Asajj's force powers than Maul's. However, it's not hard to pick clones off one by one, and she held Kenobi when he was beaten, bloodied, poisoned, and has his skull stomped on by Durge (yes, literally), if I remember correctly.



Maul likes to keep it saber-oriented. However, Maul did have "Far superior dark side knowledge" than a lightning-blasting Nightsister.

Originally posted by allfg
I'm pretty sure Asajj is faster. In DR, it says something like 'only once in a generation was one born with speed and fury like that of Asajj Ventress,' and in virtually any comic she appears in, as well as the CW cartoons, she's insanely quick.

Have you read the Maul comic?

From Shoadw Hunter:

He might be able to dodge a single blast, maybe even two, but hemmed in as he was in this small cubicle against a woman who could likely put a dozen bolts into the air from two semiautomatic blasters in half a second, he would have to have a distraction. Near his feet lay the Trandoshan's blaster. It would serve nicely. Using his control of the Force, Darth Maul gripped the weapon in a dark tentacle of energy and hurled it at the bounty hunter's face, hard. The woman was fast. She dodged the blaster, firing a bolt at it. She missed and recovered, but the distraction had served its purpose. Before the weapon had bounced off the wall and landed on the floor, Maul had the lightsaber in his grasp. He thumbed on both blades as the next blaster bolt and half a dozen more came his way in rapid succession. The Sith apprentice's hands were a blur as he let the dark side take him over completely, giving in to its power and allowing it to control and manipulate him. Blaster bolts struck the lightsaber's spinning blades and were deflected into the walls, the ceiling, the floor. No time to aim, though a bolt or two did hit the bounty hunter without apparent effect. Her armor was apparently state-of-the-art. The bounty hunter dropped her useless blasters and reached for one wrist, where she wore a rocket launcher. The fool! Maul thought grimly. If a rocket exploded in here, it would kill them both! There was no time to try to stop her. Maul slipped along the lines of the Force, moving at unnatural speed as he spun toward the nearest wall, a cheap plastic panel, twirling the lightsaber in a cutting pattern. The plastic shredded easily before the blades' superhot plasmatic edges, and Maul ran through the wall, leapt over a chair in the next room-which, fortunately for its tenants, was deserted at the moment-and stabbed downward with one blade of his lightsaber, shearing a ragged oval in the floor. He dropped through the ceiling of the cubicle below just as the rocket struck the wall of the Neimoidian's room and exploded. Lihnn had never seen anybody move like the man with the horned and tattooed head. He wasn't dressed like a Jedi, but his expertise with the double-bladed lightsaber far exceeded the skill of any Jedi Lihnn had ever heard of. He knocked blaster bolts away as if swatting flies! And if he could do that, Lihnn couldn't stop him. He would use that double- bladed lightsaber to slice her apart. Desperate, she reached for her wrist launcher. Her only chance was to hit the horned one squarely and hope that the explosion would be contained enough by the other's body to allow Lihnn to survive. But as she triggered the launcher the tattooed man seemed to disappear in a blur. All of a sudden there was a hole in the wall where an instant ago it had been solid. Too late, Lihnn tried to stop the rocket from firing, but the reactionless motor flared and the missile leapt from her wrist. She tried to jump back into the hallway.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Maul "mastered the lightsaber" along with martial arts. If Anakin had been around a dozen years earlier, I bet maul could have been compared to him too.



You're right. We've definitely seen more of Asajj's force powers than Maul's. However, it's not hard to pick clones off one by one, and she held Kenobi when he was beaten, bloodied, poisoned, and has his skull stomped on by Durge (yes, literally), if I remember correctly.



Maul likes to keep it saber-oriented. However, Maul did have "Far superior dark side knowledge" than a lightning-blasting Nightsister.


Maybe, maybe not.

Maul's greatest feat is being better than Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon at the same time, and Assaj's is being very close to Anakin some months before ROTS, and pwning Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan. I don't know, they seem kinda equally impressive, but Anakin I would put above Maul for sure, but maybe with the same difficult as he faced Assaj with. Well, it kinda depends on how much he evolved after that time, since he was able to beat Dooku at ROTS, it is debatable if he grew enormousley, or if he didn't. (Which would only talk for Assaj)

In the force, Assaj has proven to be better, until anyone proves otherwise. She has done way more, and her usage of it is better and much more oftenly used than Maul's.

And Dark side knowledge doesn't necessarily equal Dark side force powers, just knowledge.....

I still think that Maul is better than Asajj...

Of course he is.

Good arguing.

Thx.