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CW grievous vs. ANH vader
3 fights
1. Saber only
2. no sabers vader can use force grievous can use his blaster and fists
3. everything
the fight is on koriban in the area with all the tombs they can't go in the tombs. oh and this is grievous before mace crushed his lungs.

1. Grievous (can stirke with his sabers 16 times per second, beat 5 Jedi at once, gave Mace a good fight, ect.)
2. Vader pwns by just using the Force
3. Close one, I want to say Grievous but it depends on whether or not he can dodge Vaders Force attacks until he engages him in saber combat. I guarantee that most other people will say vader for #3, though.

1.GG
2.Vader
3.Vader

Originally posted by darthsith19
1. Grievous (can stirke with his sabers 16 times per second, beat 5 Jedi at once, gave Mace a good fight, ect.)
2. Vader pwns by just using the Force
3. Close one, I want to say Grievous but it depends on whether or not he can dodge Vaders Force attacks until he engages him in saber combat. I guarantee that most other people will say vader for #3, though.

Indeed, and Vader takes 3 via the force. If he knows he cant with in sabers he'll do as he would in round 2.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Indeed, and Vader takes 3 via the force. If he knows he cant with in sabers he'll do as he would in round 2.
But he has dodged Force Attacks before and has the ability to block telekinesis attacks, to an extent. Assuming that he can dodge Vader's Force Attacks (I doubt he can block them cause Vader's to strong) until he gets to Vader with his sabers, he'll win.

No, I don't think GG can dodge Vader's force attack. Vader is just too strong for GG. He seemed cannot dodge some of Dooku's force attack, & he was crushed by Mace. Vader, who probably stronger than Mace, can kill GG by his force attacks.

When?

Yeah, cause he was on a Republic Gunship, there was nowhere to dodge to, the only way to dodge it would have been to jump out of the gunship, and then Mace could have gotten him as he was falling through the air.

Maybe, that's debatable. Overall, no, but Force Powers is debatable.

"When?"

Probably while Dooku was training GG. Also, we can see that in CW cartoons.



"Yeah, cause he was on a Republic Gunship, there was nowhere to dodge to, the only way to dodge it would have been to jump out of the gunship, and then Mace could have gotten him as he was falling through the air."

Even if GG has somewhere to dogde, I don't think he can dodge Mace's crush.



"Maybe, that's debatable. Overall, no, but Force Powers is debatable."

That's why I said Vaderis "probably" stronger than Mace. Vader is probably stronger than Dooku in the force, who is probably stronger than Mace in the force. And Vader is 80% of ROTS Sidious. So, Vader has 99% of chance stronger than Mace in the force

Probably isn't proof. We never in the cartoons see Dooku attack him with the Force.


Why not? He dodges Force Pushes from 3 Jedi at once for a while, has dodged blaster bolts, why can't he dodge Mace's force attack?


That's abc, which doesn't always work, but it's probably true, though Vader's isn't much stronger in the Force than Mace is.

In clone wars cartoon, Dooku did use force to attack GG.
GG seemed didn't realize Mace's would crush him in cartoon. He can dogde force push or something else, but I don't see he can dodge crush.
Ya, there's no way Mace is stronger than Vader in the force.

Chapter, please.


What makes you say that? To me he seemed surprised and aggravated that Mace had showed up and was trying to get away with the Chancellor before Mace could stop him.


Why not? Both are telekinesis attacks. What's to say that Force Crush moves at a faster speed that Force Push does?


Ya, but he is close to Vader. For movies it goes Sidious > Yoda > OT Vader > Dooku > Mace

I think it is Chapter 21.
Crush seems to need more concentration than force push & the user seldom miss their targets than force push. & Crush is probably faster than force push. See Ki-Adi-Mundi's force attack against GG in clone wars. GG has enough time to dodge it. But when Mace use crush, GG immediately got damaged.

Originally posted by darthsith19
But he has dodged Force Attacks before and has the ability to block telekinesis attacks, to an extent. Assuming that he can dodge Vader's Force Attacks (I doubt he can block them cause Vader's to strong) until he gets to Vader with his sabers, he'll win.

It seems that Jedi or Sith who are more powerful happen to be able to aim their Force attacks so that Grievous isn't fast enough to dodge them. (e.g. Dooku, Mace, to some degree: Shaak Ti, although that was due more to intelligence rather than speed)

1. GG, but close
2. Vader pwns
3.Vader

Then I'll re-watch that chapter today.

Proof that Crush is faster than push? Guessing doesn't count as proof. I have already explained why Grievous couldn't dodge Mace's crush. He was stuck in a republic gunship, he had nowhere to move. he wasn't on the ground with all the space that he needed to dodge. He couldn't have dodged a Force Push in that position, either.

Dooku never uses the Force on grievous that I am aware of. When Mace did Grievous didn't dodge it because he had nowhere to dodge to. Shaak Ti and the other 2 Jedi with her just kept throwing Force Pushes at him and then she timed hers out in correspondence with there and that was the only reason why she got him.

No, I think GG can jump out of the gunship if he wanted to dodge. See he turns on his lighsaber? That means he may want to fight with Mace actually. But after he was crushed, he just went away. I just don't see he can dodge Mace' crush. Crush usually immediately damage enemies, while force push may not, it may depends on distance. Also, crush needs more aim & concentration coz you aim at an single person. But force push, you just push at a direction, which don't need so much concentration & aim.

Crush would effect him because, well, that's what it does. It targets the person or object, instead of traveling towards them like a force push or some force lightning would do.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Crush would effect him because, well, that's what it does. It targets the person or object, instead of traveling towards them like a force push or some force lightning would do. Yes, just like what I mean.

1. Grievous rapidly overwhelms Vader.
2. Vader pwns Grievous, with telekinesis.
3. Vader pwns Grievous, with telekinesis, and finishes him off with a lightsaber blow.

What would happen if Grievous jumped off the gunship? Pablo Jill would have rescued Palpatine as soon as the gunship landed in the Invisible Hand, since Grievous wouldn't be there to kill him, and Mace would be able to choke Grievous as he's falling throught the air, and Grievous would die. So grievous is worse off jumping out of the gunship than staying in it. He turns it on incase Mace atatcks him with his saber, then he can fight back. He doesn't want to fight Mace, he already fought Mace earlier that same day and lost (have you read LOE?). Crush usually immediately damages enemies, but so does push, and Grievous can dodge that. Push needs just as much aim and crush, why wouldn't it, with push you aim at a single person, too.

But it would still take a few miliseconds to close around Grievous, I see no reason why he couldn't dodge it then just like he dodges Force Push. I see no reason why Crush would close on him any faster than Push would get to him.

Dathsith, the ship wasn't even moving when Grievous was on it and was crushed, it was on the ground.

It doesn't travel at Greivous, it is centered on him. Like a choke, or picking up a rock.

In Episode V when Vader choked the officer, did he blast his attack across space?

Originally posted by darthsith19
But it would still take a few miliseconds to close around Grievous, I see no reason why he couldn't dodge it then just like he dodges Force Push. I see no reason why Crush would close on him any faster than Push would get to him. Please proof that GG or anyone without the force can dogde crush.

Remember the Boba vs Vader thread? We all agree that Boba would dead in a second if Vader really want to kill him with crush. If Boba can't dodge crush, how can GG dodge? And jollyjim311 was right, crush is centered on a person, any other objects would not affected by it. But force push is not centerer on a single object, anything on its path would be affected. There are examples that GG or other non-force users can dodge force push, but can you show me any examples that GG or other non-force users have ever dodge force crush?

Originally posted by darthsith19

Dooku never uses the Force on grievous that I am aware of. When Mace did Grievous didn't dodge it because he had nowhere to dodge to. Shaak Ti and the other 2 Jedi with her just kept throwing Force Pushes at him and then she timed hers out in correspondence with there and that was the only reason why she got him.

I'm pretty sure that Dooku used the Force to knock down Grievous while the two were sparring on the ship during the Clone Wars.

Grievous could've jumped off of the ship. He wasn't standing in the ship's doorway, but slightly infront of it.

Yup, like I said: intelligence.

Originally posted by Council#13
I'm pretty sure that Dooku used the Force to knock down Grievous while the two were sparring on the ship during the Clone Wars.

Grievous could've jumped off of the ship. He wasn't standing in the ship's doorway, but slightly infront of it.

Yup, like I said: intelligence. I agree.

Vader

Originally posted by vader11
Remember the Boba vs Vader thread? We all agree that Boba would dead in a second if Vader really want to kill him with crush. If Boba can't dodge crush, how can GG dodge? And jollyjim311 was right, crush is centered on a person, any other objects would not affected by it. But force push is not centerer on a single object, anything on its path would be affected. There are examples that GG or other non-force users can dodge force push, but can you show me any examples that GG or other non-force users have ever dodge force crush?
because grievous> boba have u read LOE?

GG>Boba doesn't help him to survive from Vader's crush.

And the NJO's Boba could very well be Grievous superior. At least from what I've heard from people...

Ya, DE Boba is very deadly.

No, i think GG is better skilled then DE Boba, but Boba has the weaponry to kill GG easily.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
No, i think GG is better skilled then DE Boba, but Boba has the weaponry to kill GG easily.

No I think Boba has more skill, but Greivous just has the physical abilities and computer brain that out weighs Boba's skill, but, Boba has better weaponry that would allow Boba to beat Greivous.

But doesn't having computer brain that out weighs Boba's skill and making you better skilled, means that you are more skilled, but i agree that Boba could kill him easily with his weaponry.

If Boba can't dodge Vader's crush, how can GG can? Is GG mush faster than DE Boba?

GG cant dodge, he couldn't with Maces and Vader has mastered this technique better then Mace.

But darthsith19 said he can

He is just wrong.

I know

better weapons don't mean **** if it won't go through gg's armor and grievous can dodge rockets

Fire can reach his body parts, so if Boba unleashes his fire thrower I don't see how Grievous would get close. It would burn his eyes and his heart....

And he has that special gun(i don't know how its called), from the comics, if he hit GG whit that, GG would be toast.

Hey, I just thought of something.
If you take out all letters from Kamikz except one of the k's, then insert Plo Oon, you get Plo Koon... Now how weird is that?

Originally posted by kamikz
Hey, I just thought of something.
If you take out all letters from Kamikz except one of the k's, then insert Plo Oon, you get Plo Koon... Now how weird is that?

Wow, thats pretty cool, you rock dude, i cant believe, i didn't notice it before.

I know!

Your some kind of Genius.

No, just a man who knows his Plo Koon.

Great answer, a tear drooped from my face.

well yeah fire sucks but still *cough* doging ever heard of it oh ok i'll give you some instructions
1. make someone attack (relativley simple just get them angry)
2. move out of the attacks range
3. watch the attack miss and prepare to counterattack/dodge again
any questions?
isn't this vader vs. grievous anway not gg vs. boba?

An ARC could take Greivous.

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=38&page=058

Originally posted by kamikz
Hey, I just thought of something.
If you take out all letters from Kamikz except one of the k's, then insert Plo Oon, you get Plo Koon... Now how weird is that?

Originally posted by LordGrievous
isn't this vader vs. grievous anway not gg vs. boba?
Then Vader takes GG.

OMG Vader ftw

GG wtf pwns Vader with sabers. Not that OT Vaders slow but.........

Vader wtf pwns GG in forcefight or all out.

And Windu movie wise has no incredible force feats. We do know he is regarded as the #2 jedi behind Yoda though. EU Mace is a different story.

1) Sabers, anh vader gets pwned, he is too slow and only uses offense, you saw how crappy his defense was when luke flurried him into a corner.
2) no sabers but force and blasters. vader can deflect blasts with his hand. we saw this when han tried to shoot him and he deflected them. and he can use the force to play racqeteball with grevous's body against the walls of the tombs.
3) everything, can you say force strangle anyone. he'll make grevous cry more than padme.

1. Vader dies a horrible death.
2. Vader has so much fun it's sad.
3. Vader wins w/ ease and can go"Mace Windu" on GG all over again.

Sabers only? Likely Grievous.

Bringing back the dead on Halloween, I see.

CW grievous? Vader takes all