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Plo Koon at peak & ESB Luke vs Darth Vader(in suit). Who would win & why?
1. Sabers only.
2. Force fight(no sabers).
3. They can use whatever they like.

This is close. Koon is one of the top PT Jedi, while Luke is pretty weak at this stage. Koon could likely hold off Vader for a little while on his own, but would lose, not sure how much help Luke would be.
1. Hmm...
2. The Jedi, as far as I know, Vader has no way of blocking Koon's electric judgment, which would kill his life-support system that he needs to stay alive.
3. Hmm... I'd tend to lean towards Vader,, as he could block Koon's electric judgment with his saber and then use some Force Powers of his own, since Force powers are his strong point.

Not sure about 1 and 3, but the Jedi win #2, and Vader likely wins #3.



Or you could just say that Koon pwns all...

If this is an actually fight, I think the Jedi are likely to win in #1 & #2. Vader may win #3.
And yes, Koon pwns all
And sorry for the poll, just vote for the team that you think can win 2 or more rounds.

1) Vader comes running in.
2) Bzzzzzt.
3) ???
4) PROFIT!

Plo Koon wins. He electrocutes both.

sabers - vader
force - vader(Just finish them with TK or force crush since vader cannot defend against lightning)
Overall - vader

I changed my mind now that Vader may win #1 & #3, Jedi may win #2, but still close. If Vader can force crush them quick, he may win.
But again, Koon can pwn all

Why would they win 2? Because Koon knows electric judgement? That is just natural lightning isn't it? Not anything like sith lightning, I believe it could be bent away with the force.
If not, Vader is still more capable in the force, and could easily squash both. Their only attacks aside from that is to push him around, but with that armour, it'll hardly put a debt....


IMO

1.Vader
2.Vader
3.Vader

Vader could have got rid of ESB Luke in a matter of seconds in ESB. Plo Koon alone is no match for Vader.

Originally posted by kiddo44
1.Vader
2.Vader
3.Vader

Vader could have got rid of ESB Luke in a matter of seconds in ESB. Plo Koon alone is no match for Vader.


Yup.

Can anyone provide more information about electric judgement?

Electric Judgement.

There's really not much to say about it.

So no one knows what would actually happened on Vader if Koon uses that on him...

And everbodys knows what happens if vader uses telekenesis and crush

On normal Jedi, they die...

So your saying vader cannot kill a known character? He killed the dark woman whom i believe is above average and so was roan shryne

I agree Vader can crush most Jedi...

Proof that vader can crush Koon before Koon shoots lightning at Vader? Or if he crushes Koon at the same time as Koon shoots lightning at him, then they both die, but Luke is still alive so the Jedi still win.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Proof that vader can crush Koon before Koon shoots lightning at Vader? Or if he crushes Koon at the same time as Koon shoots lightning at him, then they both die, but Luke is still alive so the Jedi still win. I don't know much about electric judgement, & I don't know how fast that could be. So I don't know the outscome of the force fight. Maybe Kadesh can answer this question

And why can't Vader push or toss the lightning right back at them?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
And why can't Vader push or toss the lightning right back at them?
Because no one (correct me if I'm wrong) has ever done that before, so you'd have to provide proof that Vader can.

Yeah, the only person who's shown the ability to do that to my knowledge is Kyp Durron, and Vader's no Kyp.

I voted for the wrong person, i meant to vote for Vader.

1. Vader, Luke by this time is rely bad, Vader can kill him when he decides to, Koon is better then Luke by this point, but i don't think Koon is anywhere near Vader.

2.Vader, although i don't know how good Electric Judgment is, but i don't think its that impressive.

3. Vader, for the reasons above.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
I voted for the wrong person, i meant to vote for Vader.

1. Vader, Luke by this time is rely bad, Vader can kill him when he decides to, Koon is better then Luke by this point, but i don't think Koon is anywhere near Vader.

2.Vader, although i don't know how good Electric Judgment is, but i don't think its that impressive.

3. Vader, for the reasons above. Didn't you say Koon>all?

Yeah, but it doesn't matter how strong Koon's electric judgment is, does it? It's lightning, even if it's weak it'll still destroy a mechanical life-support system.

That was in Koon threads, being a joke, this is a serious thread, so serious answers are needed.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yeah, but it doesn't matter how strong Koon's electric judgment is, does it? It's lightning, even if it's weak it'll still destroy a mechanical life-support system.

if it is lighting, unless Sidious is shooting it, Vader could just block it with his saber, like Kenobi did in AOTC, and then if it was a lightsaber fight Koon gets pwnd by Vader.

Yes, but in the 2 round, they are forbidden to use Sabers.

Then Vader either throws back the electricity like he would a blaster bolt, or tosses Koon before he thinks to use that specific power.

How can he do that, blaster bolt is different then lightning, a blaster bolt targets a single spot, while lightning spreads around, it is allot harder to toss it back, but i also think Vader would win, even in the 2 round and koons EJ, probably isn't that powerful, or at least powerfull opponents.

So the force fight is very debatable

I don't know, how god is Electric Judment and wait a minute, when did he used it, i don't remember anything about it in novels and comics.

Then what's the difference between EJ and FL?

Thats what i said, i don't know, i never seen or heard of its affects, where did he used it.

I would imagine Electric Judgement doesn't weaken one's connection to life and drain them, like Force Lightning.

Did he use it in games?

Originally posted by vader11

2. Force fight(no sabers).




Originally posted by vader11

2. Force fight(no sabers).



1. Yet again, proof that Vader can toss lightning back like he can toss a blaster bolt back.
2. Yeah, cause it'd take Koon like two minutes to think to use lightning against a cyborg.
Proof that Koon can't launch a Force attack just as quickly as Vader can?


Yes, he uses it in Star Wars: Episode I Jedi Power Battles.

I am wondering why they made both EJ & FL...><

Originally posted by vader11
I am wondering why they made both EJ & FL...><
Electric Judgement is the Jedi version of Force Lightning, it is less intense, less dark, ect. for more info go here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Ya, Wookieepedia is very trustable

Actually, despite what everybody says, Wookieepedia is nearly always right.

So who wrote this line:
"Electric Judgement is the Jedi version of Force Lightning, it is less intense, less dark"

Originally posted by vader11
So who wrote this line:
"Electric Judgement is the Jedi version of Force Lightning, it is less intense, less dark"
Um, I did, and as far as I know, it's not on wookieepedia's electric judgment page, unless you just put it there...

So who actually wrote that article?

Originally posted by vader11
So who actually wrote that article?
Fans, wookieepedia members, wookieepedia staff, ect. It wasn't written by any one person in general, but was written by one person and edited dozens, maybe even hundreds of time until it is what it is today.

So, it is not always 100% reliable, especially for the part about electric judgement...

Originally posted by vader11
So, it is not always 100% reliable, especially for the part about electric judgement...
I never said that it's 100% reliable, I said that's it's nearly 100% reliable.

But it seems useless to this thread...

Originally posted by darthsith19
Proof that vader can crush Koon before Koon shoots lightning at Vader? Or if he crushes Koon at the same time as Koon shoots lightning at him, then they both die, but Luke is still alive so the Jedi still win. Vader has much higher mastery of precognition and thus would strike BEFORE koon strikes, koon dies and so will luke

Vader can also crush Dooku just before Dooku tries anything on him. It's the way of the force.

Originally posted by overlord
Vader can also crush Dooku just before Dooku tries anything on him. It's the way of the force. In a situation where he would face dooku. yes

Right, then he could also Crush Sidious, Yoda, Mace, if he could Crush powerful Force users, why didn't he do it to Sidious, we know he wanted to overthrown him, why did he need Luke.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Right, then he could also Crush Sidious, Yoda, Mace, if he could Crush powerful Force users, why didn't he do it to Sidious, we know he wanted to overthrown him, why did he need Luke. I think this has been discussed in the Vader vs Dooku thread...

Actually, this is quite stupid. "Crushing powerful Force users" is different from crushing "more powerful Force users". In the case of Sidious and Yoda, especially, they are far more powerful in the Force than Vader. Thus, even if he could WTFpwn "powerful Force users" with his crush, the likelihood of him being able to do it to someone who is more powerful than him is considerably lessened. In fact, I'd dare call it "nonexistent".

I was being sarcastic, that he could do it, i know he cant do it against the likes of Yoda, Sidious...

Yoda could be sleeping...

Ya, as Vader is only 80% of Sidious, I don't think he is able to crush Sidious. If he can, why didn't he kill Sidious?

Originally posted by Count Makashi
I was being sarcastic, that he could do it, i know he cant do it against the likes of Yoda, Sidious...

You were being sarcastic, but your reasoning ("if he could crush powerful Force users, he could do it to Sidious and Yoda" is inaccurate and inept. Sidious and Yoda >> Dooku in Force powers. So, assuming that Vader could crush Dooku with the Force, he would still be unable to do so against Yoda or Sidious.

What i said powerful Force users, i included Sidious and Yoda and i don't think he could do it against Dooku.

Has Vader ever been shown to be able to crush a force user in the first place? Or is Kadesh and co still acting under the assumption that because Darth can do it to a lifeless (non force wielding) vehicle, that he can automatically beat poweful force users with it.

Then Kadesh may say: Proof that Dooku can withstand Vader's crush

Lets not argue this here, or at all for that mather, lets not argue it at all, Dooku fans will say Dooku wins and Vader fans will say Vader wins. Lets just drop it.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Lets not argue this here, or at all for that mather, Dooku fans will say Dooku wins and Vader fans will say Vader wins. Lets just drop it. Agree. It will only leads to another great debate.

Well apparently Dooku and pretty much every other force is screwed against Vader (according to Kadesh's logic) because:
- Crush is unblockable
- Vader doesnt need his hands to use it
- Vader has precognition
So really, anyone who so much as sneezes around Vader will find his head being crushed and they cant do shit about it (In fact, they might not even get to sneeze - Vader will just sense what is about to happen and crush them before it even happens).



Well that was my rant for the day.

Crush is unblockable, does that mean Sidious can be killed by that?

Oh no, i sense a long debate coming and its not even in Vader versus Dooku thread.

It would be like Vader to kill someone for almost sneezing.

Originally posted by vader11
Ya, as Vader is only 80% of Sidious, I don't think he is able to crush Sidious. If he can, why didn't he kill Sidious? Because sidious is more powerful and has a defence

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Well apparently Dooku and pretty much every other force is screwed against Vader (according to Kadesh's logic) because:
- Crush is unblockable
Firstly never ever feed words in my mouth, jollyjim stated billions of times that crush CAN be blocked with force shield.
Originally posted by Rampant ox

- Vader doesnt need his hands to use it

Again i warn you, do not feed me with words

Obviously everyone is too focused on Vader to remember the awesomeness of Plo Koon. It should be discussed more, because the only obvious realisation is that Plo Koon could instantly freeze Vader just by sensing him enter the room. Luke would die of electrocuting soon after because he will throw his light saber away. And do not forget about the force dance after the battle. This is a high possibility as well.

plo koon would win big time darth vaders always been my favorite but plo koon would definetly win in #1 #2 #3 using his lightsaber gaunlet

dam right plo koon is owsom but so is darth vader -plo vader-
-darth koon-

Originally posted by plo koon fan#1
plo koon would win big time darth vaders always been my favorite but plo koon would definetly win in #1 #2 #3 using his lightsaber gaunlet

Plo Koon is no match for Vader.

Originally posted by plo koon fan#1
plo koon would win big time darth vaders always been my favorite but plo koon would definetly win in #1 #2 #3 using his lightsaber gaunlet

How is this even close? Darth Vader could maul both Koon and ESB Luke in seconds...

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
You have been converted!

How the hell did that happen. I must have been on some serious drugs.

Like did'nt do to badly. And plo koon at his peak is easily vaders equal. I have to go with luke and plo koon because they would just have to circle vader unitl they found an opening. Another reasonis vader is to slow in the suit.

Plo Koon and Luke take this, their fighting skills and Plo's Force capabilities are too much.

Plo Koon is not Vader's equal... Not even close. And ESB Luke is still untrained. Vader wins.