Originally posted by Advent
Thanks for addressing the original point.
I've already established this in my past two posts, so your point is bring it up is? Oh, right, nothing. And because Exar Kun invented his own lightsaber form, he must he better, or be able to defeat Anakin solely on that property? Yeah, that sure is viable evidence.
No, that's a big display of how masterful his skill is, but it's not the sole reason.
You're attributing Kun's superiority over Anakin Skywalker because he has a style unknown to Anakin, and because he beat Vodo (lol!)? How about you just simply prove up or shut up, as you've yet to do (and made the claim in the first place).
Uh, what?
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'Tooling'? No, he defeated him in their second bout, but as we see with a single blade during their initial confrontation, he gets put on his ass.
Also, I'd love to see where I discounted that, or passed it off as 'meaning nothing', considering I've used that in an innumerable amounts of arguments, and even acknowledged it here. So, stop acting like I did, it's foolish.
Furthermore, as I've said, Vodo has never been shown or said to have an immense amount of talent or extreme dueling capabilities, so I don't know how this means much. Care to explain?
The best he's noted for is having 'the skill of long experience'. Wow, what a powerhouse!
That's a completely ridiculous example. He did 'fairly well' against Mace Windu's Vaapad, as well. He ultimately lost, but according to the novelization...
"But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse. Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift." (Revenge of the Sith novel, Ch. 17)
...his Vaapad didn't grant him the victory. It was his Shatterpoint, which isn't a lightsaber form, it's a force 'sense' so to speak.
So, there's another instance where an alien form wasn't the reason for a win, and would've resulted in a stalemate otherwise.
We've seen on the two occasions I've pointed out where it absolutely had no effect on the outcome, as Katarn tore threw Maw with ease, and killed Boc.
And Sexy, your post implies that the only reason that you believe Kun's victory is secured because of his style (and nonexistent strength advantage).
No, he didn't 'beat' Darth Tyranus, he demolished him. One of the most powerful Jedi to ever exist since the founding of the Order itself, and 'an even greater Sith' made to look like a children's toy. Cin Drallig, who was the Battlemaster, mastered forms I-VI, and was noted for his exceptional skills (of which Dooku believed could take down General Grievous, mind you) was killed in a minimal amount of time. He beat Asajj, and Durge, who describes him as "the fastest Jedi' he's ever ".
Plus, the fact that he is noted as the strongest and fastest Jedi of his generation (which excludes Yoda, more than likely, as does it Windu given the context of the statement and others in the book) speaks volumes.
I did have to laugh out loud at 'that cute bug thing', but to get back on point: I already said that if you noticed in the parenthesis. However, I never said that his physical power was bad, in fact, seeing as I said it was 'as great ', I don't know why you're telling me.
It is wonderful, isn't it?
No, it's the mere fact that Anakin can make a man who's 'age is rarely a handicap', who 'wore his age better than men half his age', and who was 'in superb physical condition' shut down like that. Especially in this case, because it's Count Dooku, and he excels at using the Force to conquer his limitations, much like that of Yoda, except he's in far better shape even without the usage of the Force.
See above, see below, see previous post.
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"With the Force, Vodo can make his simple staff more powerful than a] lightsaber!"
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"A mighty Jedi...two lightsabers against my poor stick".
That speaks for itself on the first occasion. On the second meeting in the Senate building, the stick itself was already damaged as is, if you didn't see that it was taped up from where he'd broken it before.
And still waiting on how Kun's supposed physical strength matters (given Anakin's own).
Who's 'the creator'? This isn't The Matrix, Neo.
Is there any reason you prefer to write the same thing that I say?
More importantly, as we read from the omniscient narrator in RoDV, Anakin had the ability to lift an 'adult being off the ground with his arms alone', even before being put into his mechanical suit.
I don't see where I claimed he definitely was. So, your blindness is justified. I never said that Anakin was better, so it really doesn't matter. I mentioned that Kun's power is rivaled in this scenario. Plain and simple, point blank. That's the entire point.
Albeit, you did claim that Kun had some sort of advantage, so where's Kun proved that he's more fit? Prove up.
Firstly, why don't you do what I initially asked you to do, and provide proof on why 'Anakin can't take Kun alone', seeing as you made the claim and have yet to back it up? Is this because you don't have anything to support it? Did I hit the nail on the head?
Yes, I did. You really always try to turn your faults onto your opposition, but against me, it's rather futile.
Secondly, he 'tooled' Vodo Siosk-Baas, who was never renown for his combat skills, so you'll have to do better than that.
How does Vodo compare to being able to hold back against Count Dooku, and still kick his ass? How does it compare to squashing one of the most skilled duelists in the history of Star Wars in less than a minute, when said duelists is capable of defeating people like Sora Bulq, Master Tholme, Asajj Ventress, General Grievous, and Obi-Wan Kenobi?
That's not even bringing up Cin Drallig, who he killed in a very short amount of time, and others. Seriously, Kun just doesn't have the skill to do that to anyone Anakin has fought.
Oh my Buddha.
You're so ridiculous. Like saying things like 'Anakin can't take Kun alone' without any real reasoning, and still not proving up after I called you out on it is fact.
Exar Kun can defeat Anakin because he has a unique style, despite the fact we've seen several occasions where this simply is not always the case. Exar Kun is physically stronger, but that's only because I say so. Kun is better because he beat some master who was never known to have good skills. I'll just repeat Advent's parenthesized points, because I can't reply. Advent needs to prove up since I am incapable of doing such, even though I was the one who made the claim in the first place!
I like you, but you're extremely hypocritical, to say the least. Plus, you're just full of shit.
I know.
Interesting. To be honest, I've never thought about Anakin's skill, nor does my knowledge of him go beyond the movies, so I guess he has a good chance of defeating Kun after all.
