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I know this has been done ebfore, but I want to see what the current members here think. I think Maul wins for sure, with some difficulty, though. Look at my next big post for proof, coming shortly.

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...I think Asajj has much better mastery of the Force and that's may lead to Maul's defeat but Maul is far superior then her in saber skills.

Maul is a Sith, Asajj isn't.
I say Maul, and yeah, it has been done b4.

Nicely put.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
...I think Asajj has much better mastery of the Force and that's may lead to Maul's defeat but Maul is far superior then her in saber skills.
What makes you say that Asajj > Maul with the Force? Maul knows grip, speed, jump, push, and can block Force lightning amongst other things. Qui-Gon was also apparently to unconfident in his Force Abilities to attack Maul with the Force, and he is ahead of Jinn with the Force I think. What has Asajj done that is so great?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Nicely put.
Thanks.

yes but even you agree Obession Asajj would beat Qui-Gon.

you think?

really, is this Obsession Asajj? If you wanted to say CW Asajj say that, and Maul would win, but she was much more badass in Obsession.



I would be very close either way, but Asajj has shown greater force powers than him, and her of Obsession looked stronger than him, she was able to fight Anakin and Kenobi, there, and both are stronger than Maul. I say Obsession Asajj takes it.

Originally posted by darthsith19
What has Asajj done that is so great?

In the Clone Wars cartoon she threw a big pillar, and lots of debris. But (padawan) Anakin was able to block all the force attacks, and anything Asajj can throw at Maul he can dodge.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
In the Clone Wars cartoon she threw a big pillar, and lots of debris. But (padawan) Anakin was able to block all the force attacks, and anything Asajj can throw at Maul he can dodge. That was right after AOTC and she was pretty good there,but this is Obsession Asajj, a few months,5 before ROTS, and she was clearly more powerful here. Anakin was at a different level in Obsession from when he fought Asajj in the CW.

yes, but it'd be really close. Maul, while not at his full strength, beat Qui-Gin more easily than Asajj could.

But did she get much stronger since then? It seems to me that she improved the most in the year before that. Kit got stronger, too, and Qui-Gon > ROTS Kit Fisto.

What did Asajj do that was so impressive with the Force?

They were trying not to kill her, just redeem her, so that can hardly be considered as proof. Whether or not Obsession Kenobi or Anakin are ahead of Maul is debatable.

Is this during the fight on Yavin? The cartoon overpowers characters, too, do you think Asajj could really pwn an entire squad of Clone Troopers with the Force without anybody noticing?

Ventress loses not easily though. It'll be a tough fight.

Sorry 'bout this DarthSith, but I don't think that the Nightsister's Force Lightning would be nearly as strong as Count Dooku's. Also, Maul (being a Zaabrak (sp?)) would have a higher pain tolerance than Asajj (race unknown?).

Originally posted by Council#13
Sorry 'bout this DarthSith, but I don't think that the Nightsister's Force Lightning would be nearly as strong as Count Dooku's. Also, Maul (being a Zaabrak (sp?)) would have a higher pain tolerance than Asajj (race unknown?).
It depends on how hard Dooku was trying, but wasn't he smiling when he shot Asajj with lightning, which signifies him not trying his hardest?


And I seriously doubt pain tolerance would hake a difference with Force Lightning.

Actually, my mistake, he wasn't smiling, I just checked, he seemed to be going all-out. And why would a Zaabrak have a higher pain tolerance? Where does it say that?

If I'm not mistaken, it's told in SWG (star wars galaxies), in the Zabrak bio, and as one of their racial traits in the game.

I'm not arguing who has the better physical powers but Force powers. Asajj has shown far better mastery with the Force than Maul has.

Maul had to separate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in order to have any chance one beating the duo. The two alone gave Maul a run for his money. And really Obi-Wan was clearly doing better then Qui-Gon. Maul even showed fear in his facial expressions when Obi-Wan started to hammer away. Only reason people say Maul won was because he got lucky and Force Pushed him into the hole.

And I really don't understand what you all mean when you say Maul wasn't at full power.

I hate to tell you this, but its been long confirmed that Maul was superior to both OB1 and QGJ. Had the fight continued without the shaft, and OB1 getting lucky (not Maul) Maul would have won. It even goes to say in the novel that even with OB1's burst of fury and tapping into the dark side, Maul was still the better combatant.

To further Darth Subjekt's point:

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Maul had to separate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in order to have any chance one beating the duo.

It's bullshit at best to claim that he had to separate the Jedi. Let's take a look at what the actual novelization has to say on the situation, from chapters 22 and 23:

"Their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate.

But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi - Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger.

His agility and dexterity allowed him to keep them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blunting their counterattacks, relentlessly searching for an opening in their defense.

So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly discovered that their best efforts were not good enough

They should have won this battle long ago. Against any other opponent, they would have. But the Sith Lord was battle trained and seasoned well beyond anyone they had ever encountered before. He had matched them blow for blow, and they weren't any closer to winning this fight now than they had been in the beginning."

It's evident from the above that Darth Maul could've taken both of them, and that they were lacking in comparison to his sheer skill and determination. So, your point holds no water.

This is aside from the fact Darth Maul had been injured before the bout even began. We see him kick the living shit out of the duo with melee attacks. The only reason he actually lost was because he was caught off guard by Obi-Wan's sudden burst of power by giving into the dark side, but even then it states that " was the stronger of the two".



See above. No, it's vice versa, and he was still on the victorious end for virtually the entirety of that duel.



Perhaps you've forgotten why. I'll remind you. Obi-Wan had been tapping into the dark side to fuel his powers, which caught Maul off guard.

Obi-Wan certainly is weaker than Qui-Gon, when not utilizing such emotions (as they do make you more powerful).



Funny, considering Darth Maul is a fearless warrior. If that were to be true (it's not), then that's going against his entire character.

This is the most absurd thing I've read all day, as we don't even get to see a clear view of his face, save for one point, and that's at which he's on the ground, after having his lightsaber broken (and still, he doesn't appear to be "fearing" jack shit).

There's really no reason to make shit up.

Additionally, I should note that both the novelization and the script conform, and agree that fatigue was setting in on Obi-Wan, and the novelization elaborates on that, saying Darth Maul was regaining the upper hand.



That's quite untrue, as Subjekt pointed out, the majority would believe that it was Obi-Wan who was lucky (due to Qui-Gon's lightsaber being available).



What he means is relatively simple. Darth Maul was injured, ergo he wouldn't be in prime condition for his battle.

Darth maul iz bettah than dat biotch in da force an' prob'ly will beat her nahh problem. Ya' know what I'm sayin'?

I was going to reply to ESB-1138 as well, but, now Advent's replied, too, and there's really no need for me to reply as well. Just one thing:



"Had he not run into Togorian pirates and Sand People along the way, perhaps he would have been at full strength for the conflict isnide the Theed power generator." - The New Essential Guide to Characters

Originally posted by darthsith19

And I seriously doubt pain tolerance would hake a difference with Force Lightning.

And why would a Zaabrak have a higher pain tolerance? Where does it say that?

As I seem to recall, Luke was squirming around when Palpatine was zapping him.

Doesn't it say that somewhere on the Official Website?

Maul wins here, but not easy, he was a Sith Apprentice worthy for Sidious(who only takes the best) and i don't see, that Asajj would ever be good enough for him.