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No rest.

1. TPM Darth Maul
2. AOTC Anakin
3. ROTS Mace Windu
4. ROTS Dooku & (pre-suit) Vader

10 hours of rest.

5. Ulic Qel-Droma & Darth Traya (no insta-kill)
6. DE Luke & ROTS Palpatine
7. Exar Kun & Darth Nihilus
8. NJO Luke
9. DE Sidious
10. He makes it.

Falls at 6, assuming he gets that far.

NJO Luke would be somewhat hard-pressed against those two, and I fail to see why LOTF Jacen would do better.

NJO Luke couldn't beat his weaker self and a weaker Palpatine?

"somewhat hard-pressed" does not equal "couldn't beat".

- Bob

He goes down at Mace.

You have a low opinion of Jacen it seems.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
You have a low opinion of Jacen it seems.

He has shown mastery of the force, but not enough with a lightsaber to put him anywhere close to Mace.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
He has shown mastery of the force, but not enough with a lightsaber to put him anywhere close to Mace. And Mace has not shown anything in the force even close to what Jacen has done, flow walking, masking his presence completly in the force, Jacen would take out Mace, he would not have to engage in a lightsaber fight to do it.

Originally posted by kiddo44
And Mace has not shown anything in the force even close to what Jacen has done, flow walking, masking his presence completly in the force, Jacen would take out Mace, he would not have to engage in a lightsaber fight to do it.

Please explain to me what Jacen has that's useful in one on one combat?

He goes down at 4.

He has some chance of falling at four but might make. If he does he definately loses at five.

Jacen is hard for me to judge. He can do impressive things like flow walk and apparently was close to Luke in their duel, but he also had trouble besting Aurra Sing. TPM Maul > Aurra Sing, so by that logic he wouldn't be able to get past #1. If, however, he is close to Luke, he makes it to 6 or 7. I am also very confused as to the order of your list. Why is AOTC Anakin after Maul? Why is DE Sidious after NJO Luke? numbers 4 through 7 don't increase very much in difficulty, either, though they do increase slightly, I suppose, seeing as he gets no rest, too.

Yet another reason ABC's dont work...

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Yet another reason ABC's dont work...

Or perhaps there's the fact that Aurra probably got several times stronger in the sixty or so years since Maul's time. Come on, does anyone really think she stayed exactly the same for 60 YEARS!!!

Ok, well even with that tidbit of information, its still not a valid point being as her power level changed, and wouldn't be the same for both adversaries. Either way it doesn't work.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Or perhaps there's the fact that Aurra probably got several times stronger in the sixty or so years since Maul's time. Come on, does anyone really think she stayed exactly the same for 60 YEARS!!!
Why would she have gotten stronger? By the time that she fights Jacen she is 93 years old - assuming that she ages like a human, by this age she'd be far past her prime. Has she done anything else in the NJO era to show that she improved greatly?

Originally posted by darthsith19
Why would she have gotten stronger? By the time that she fights Jacen she is 93 years old - assuming that she ages like a human, by this age she'd be far past her prime. Has she done anything else in the NJO era to show that she improved greatly?

Because the idea that she would have done anything besides get stronger in the more than 60 years since Maul was around in ridiculous.

BTW, although her father's species is unknown it was stated that he was a member of a very long lived species. She could probably live several centuries. 93 isn't that old.

Aurra had almost no Jedi training and did not rely on the Force. You can't compare her to a solid force user

How is she being compared to a solid Force User?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
No rest.

1. TPM Darth Maul
2. AOTC Anakin
3. ROTS Mace Windu
4. ROTS Dooku & (pre-suit) Vader

10 hours of rest.

5. Ulic Qel-Droma & Darth Traya (no insta-kill)
6. DE Luke & ROTS Palpatine
7. Exar Kun & Darth Nihilus
8. NJO Luke
9. DE Sidious
10. He makes it. If Traya has floating sabers than its definitely over at 5

Why? I'm sure Jacen has greater force mastery and use them to his own advantage. Jacen is rather uber on his own, let alone in comparison.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
No rest.

1. TPM Darth Maul
2. AOTC Anakin
3. ROTS Mace Windu
4. ROTS Dooku & (pre-suit) Vader

10 hours of rest.

5. Ulic Qel-Droma & Darth Traya (no insta-kill)
6. DE Luke & ROTS Palpatine
7. Exar Kun & Darth Nihilus
8. NJO Luke
9. DE Sidious
10. He makes it.


Assuming Jacen has all his skills here. He will have some trouble. I think he survive this and get thru.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Assuming Jacen has all his skills here. He will have some trouble. I think he survive this and get thru. You think he can pass through NJO Luke & DE Sidious? Oh yeah, you are a Jacen fanboy.

Lol, yeah, look at his avatar.

Really. Even after ten hours of recooperative rest, squaring off against Ulic and Traya - and even assuming he does win - then DE Luke and Palpatine? Ridiculous. Jacen is certainly one of the most powerful Force users (a veritable gold mine of Force knowledge, too - Lumyia believes that his knowledge is broader than Emperor Palpatine's), but he can't fight off these skilled duelists without any rest. He dies at 6.

I'm amazed you think he'd make it that far even.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I'm amazed you think he'd make it that far even.

Is this dark-Jacen or good-Jacen or in-the-middle-Jacen? 'Cuz then he might go down at Mace. But, seriously Glentract, Jacen is better than 1-4.

Originally posted by Gideon
Is this dark-Jacen or good-Jacen or in-the-middle-Jacen? 'Cuz then he might go down at Mace. But, seriously Glentract, Jacen is better than 1-4.

I think he has a good chance of beating Mace, but he gets no rest after that and has to go right into a fight with Dooku and Vader. He'll be tired going into the fight. I honestly see him losing there or getting raped at five.

I don't really agree with Lumiya's assessment of Jacen's skills vs. Palpatine's. He has a different variety and maybe MORE skills in terms of variety, but he is NOWHERE near Sidious in overall force knowledge.

I agree. Lumiya is a dumbass who just loves to make Jacen feel better about himself. Jacen having more knowledge than Palpatine is utterly ridiculous.

Originally posted by vader11
You think he can pass through NJO Luke & DE Sidious? Oh yeah, you are a Jacen fanboy.


In the New Jedi Order, Jacen is second only to Luke, so yes, Jacen can beat his uncle. Jacen can also beat Sidious.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
In the New Jedi Order, Jacen is second only to Luke, so yes, Jacen can beat his uncle. Jacen can also beat Sidious.

Are you insane? In no way shape or form, could Jacen defeat NJO Luke or DE Sidious.

That's a blatant contradiction. Jacen is "second only to Luke", so he can beat Luke? What the hell kind've logic is that? If Jacen is second only to someone - that means he is weaker than the guy ahead of him (in this case Luke) - meaning that he's not going to win.



No. Jacen is certainly one of the most powerful Force users, but he's not enough to take down the most powerful Sith ever. Certainly not after fighting through four previous duels without rest - one of them being NJO Luke who is more powerful than Jacen or Sidious.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
In the New Jedi Order, Jacen is second only to Luke, so yes, Jacen can beat his uncle. Jacen can also beat Sidious. You are crazy.

A Gideon in the morning, a Gideon in the evening.

Originally posted by Gideon
That's a blatant contradiction. Jacen is "second only to Luke", so he can beat Luke? What the hell kind've logic is that? If Jacen is second only to someone - that means he is weaker than the guy ahead of him (in this case Luke) - meaning that he's not going to win.



No. Jacen is certainly one of the most powerful Force users, but he's not enough to take down the most powerful Sith ever. Certainly not after fighting through four previous duels without rest - one of them being NJO Luke who is more powerful than Jacen or Sidious.


Using your logic, why do sith spprentices kill their own masters?



Are you insane? In no way shape or form, could Jacen defeat NJO Luke or DE Sidious.

Then why did Luke and Vader tkae him out?



You are crazy.

This pre-supposes one's acts?

That's completely different: Jacen was stated to be second to Luke in terms of power - not status. Meaning he is weaker than Luke. Sith apprentices who defeat their master prove to be stronger or lucky, but in this case, neither apply.



Vader killed RotJ Sidious - and he didn't do it in a duel. Furthermore, he died in the attempt. And Luke didn't kill Sidious either. Luke, Leia, and their unborn child's combined Force power stopped Sidious, and technically he ended up "conquering himself".



This means that Jacen gets no rest in between his fights. He'd be fighting NJO Luke and then DE Sidious immediately afterward. Not that it matters, he won't get that far.

Originally posted by Gideon
That's completely different: Jacen was stated to be second to Luke in terms of power - not status. Meaning he is weaker than Luke. Sith apprentices who defeat their master prove to be stronger or lucky, but in this case, neither apply.



Vader killed RotJ Sidious - and he didn't do it in a duel. Furthermore, he died in the attempt. And Luke didn't kill Sidious either. Luke, Leia, and their unborn child's combined Force power stopped Sidious, and technically he ended up "conquering himself".



This means that Jacen gets no rest in between his fights. He'd be fighting NJO Luke and then DE Sidious immediately afterward. Not that it matters, he won't get that far.


I don't neccessarily think Jacen is weaker than his uncle.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
I don't neccessarily think Jacen is weaker than his uncle.

That's irrelevent. He is. The series has explicitly stated that Jacen has not yet grown to equal Luke in power.

Originally posted by Gideon
That's irrelevent. He is. The series has explicitly stated that Jacen has not yet grown to equal Luke in power.

I don't know about that. You just contradicted yourself.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
I don't know about that. You just contradicted yourself.

What the hell is the matter with you? REX should seriously consider making IQ tests a requirement in order to participate in this forum... anyways, I didn't contradict myself . I said:

"That is irrelevant. He is ..."

Originally posted by Gideon
What the hell is the matter with you? REX should seriously consider making IQ tests a requirement in order to participate in this forum... anyways, I didn't contradict myself . I said:

"That is irrelevant. He is ..."


Its good talking to you. How's school? Do you get good grades?

He likes Jacen, so Jacen>everyone
He hates Dooku, so Dooku<everyone

Originally posted by vader11
He likes Jacen, so Jacen>everyone
He hates Dooku, so Dooku<everyone


Not always

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Its good talking to you. How's school? Do you get good grades?


The hell?

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Not always 99.99%