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Okay, so Nihilus and Bane are going to partake in the following rights with no rest between fights all located on Korriban.

1. Jango and IG-88.
2. Dooku and Asajj
3. DE Luke
4. Yoda
5. DE Sidious
6. LOTF Luke
7. Ragnos, Exar, Ulic, Revan, DE Sidious, Yoda, LOTF Luke, Mace, Dooku, Sion, Traya, Jorus, Joruus, and clones of Bane and Nihilus with their exact abilities.

EDIT: Nihilus and Bane went on a date to McDonalds a few minutes before the first fight and he had a bunch of BigMacs so he's full and won't drain anyone. Tangible God isn't an idiot I just forgot to put that in and didn't realize it until after he posted.

They die of fright from #7 before even starting.

The Nihilus eats them.

What is the purpose of making #7?

Originally posted by vader11
What is the purpose of making #7?

Because I think it's gay when people make gauntlets that can be won.

But DE Sidious & LOTF Luke alone can stop them.

Whatever dude, it was a joke.

They make it to LOTF Luke for sure, though I doubt they'll make it past him. if they do, they get butchered, obviously.

Hard time With Yoda but I'll give it to them, they lose at DE Sidious though.

They wont have hard time with Yoda, alone, Bane would give Yoda a
good match and Nihilus would have a good chance of winning, just because of the drain, but anyway, they lose at DE Sidious, one lightning zap and they are toast. Hmmmmmmm, toast.

There is no drain, and Yoda is head and shoulders above Bane alone (and that's the majority of Yoda's mass, too).

This is insanity.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
This is insanity madness.

This is Sparta!

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Hard time With Yoda but I'll give it to them, they lose at DE Sidious though.
How is it a hard time with Yoda? Fight starts: Nihilus tries to drain Yoda, Yoda loops out of the Force quickly to avoid instant death, and while he's doing that Bane unleashes the same attack that he tried to use on Kas'im in PoD, which turns Yoda into a mass of pulpy liquid. From PoD: "The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid."

same with Yoda, but since Yoda is busy looping out of the Force he won't be able to block it. I don't see how that would be hard at all.

DarthSith, you missed 'there's no drain'

Originally posted by jollyjim311
This is Sparta!


That's hilarious

Originally posted by jollyjim311
This is Sparta!

This is Caketown!

Nihilus chucks little green man around with fleet-lifting TK.

Originally posted by darthsith19
How is it a hard time with Yoda? Fight starts: Nihilus tries to drain Yoda, Yoda loops out of the Force quickly to avoid instant death,
Nope, thread Rules.


Or Yoda dodges it or counters it with a blast of his own.


Again, nope, and Unless Yoda is one tenth of his normal speed and precog, he isn't in any real danger from that blast.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Nihilus chucks little green man around with fleet-lifting TK.

Nihilus then wakes up and washes his sheets.

Originally posted by darthsith19
How is it a hard time with Yoda? Fight starts: Nihilus tries to drain Yoda, Yoda loops out of the Force quickly to avoid instant death, and while he's doing that Bane unleashes the same attack that he tried to use on Kas'im in PoD, which turns Yoda into a mass of pulpy liquid. From PoD: "The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid."

same with Yoda, but since Yoda is busy looping out of the Force he won't be able to block it. I don't see how that would be hard at all.

....Yeah dude. No. Yoda isn't omnipotent(Meaning knowing everything which Yoda is not...). He won't able to anticipate a uber drain from Nihilius which Yoda knows noting of.

Nihilius > Yoda.

Too lazy to edit but, Glentract you should know that Nihilius can't get full, for he has infinite hunger as said by Traya.

Originally posted by Violent K
....Yeah dude. No. Yoda isn't omnipotent(Meaning knowing everything which Yoda is not...). He won't able to anticipate a uber drain from Nihilius which Yoda knows noting of.

Nihilius > Yoda.

Yoda does have massive foresight (enough to anticipate moves from three powerful Jedi Masters coming at him at once, and barely move and avoid all of their attacks) and a defence against every dark side technique I believe.

Plus he could have Nihilus' head on the floor before Nihilus can pull off any sort of force attack.

Originally posted by Violent K
....Yeah dude. No. Yoda isn't omnipotent(Meaning knowing everything which Yoda is not...). He won't able to anticipate a uber drain from Nihilius which Yoda knows noting of.

Nihilius > Yoda.

Except that according to the thread rules there is no drain.

They die at Yoda. DE Luke will give them a hell of a time, and Yoda will finish them off.

Nihillus isn't going to do shit against Yoda, especially TK..

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Nope, thread Rules.


Or Yoda dodges it or counters it with a blast of his own.


Again, nope, and Unless Yoda is one tenth of his normal speed and precog, he isn't in any real danger from that blast.



Nihilus then wakes up and washes his sheets. And his bees will blot out the sun.

AHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by Violent K
Too lazy to edit but, Glentract you should know that Nihilius can't get full, for he has infinite hunger as said by Traya.

Under normal circumstances perhaps, but not when faced with McDonalds. McDonalds can definately fill him up.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Under normal circumstances perhaps, but not when faced with McDonalds. McDonalds can definately fill him up.

Oh plz, McDonalds won't fill crap. Back then I was so damn underweight so I went to McDonalds for big mac and fries. Only gained couple of pounds.

Anyone tell me the time Yoda pulled a fleet of ships out of a gravity well?

He hasn't?

Okay then.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Anyone tell me the time Yoda pulled a fleet of ships out of a gravity well?

He hasn't?

Okay then. He didnt pull a fleet he pulled A SHIP as the loading screen stated and even if he did lift a fleet it would have been one by one, If he did really lift the whole fleet at once which he didnt, he would > sidious and luke

Sorry, I though Glentract was kidding, what with the whole Mcdonalds scenario.

He wouldn't be able to dodge an atatck and loop out of the force at the same time, but he could block it seeing as there's no Force Drain. If there was, though, then he couldn't.

The blast was big enough to destroy a temple, there will be no "dodging" the attack. However, a Force Shield will likely work, seeing as there's no drain. if Nihilus did have his drian, however, Yoda would be screwed.

How?

Originally posted by Violent K
Oh plz, McDonalds won't fill crap. Back then I was so damn underweight so I went to McDonalds for big mac and fries. Only gained couple of pounds.

You can go get ten double cheesies for ten dollars and I garuntee you'll gain weight.

Alright, well now for my outlook on the gauntlet. They make it through two without much difficulty. DE Luke gets a little dangerous, but ultimately dies also. Most likely they pwn him with their superior Force powers. Against Yoda, things get real though, but I think they still make it. Then they lose at Sidious. Now I think this team could take Sidious at their full strength they aren't going to be anywhere near that after the previous fights.

Remember, though bane's Orbalisk armor constantly pumps adrenaline into his veins, so he won't get tired.

The thought their force powers are superior to Luke's? Just laughable.

And take Palpatine? Well, let's see...Bane's already no match for Palpatine and a crippled Nihilus?
No, DE Luke or Yoda kills them

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The thought their force powers are superior to Luke's? Just laughable.

And take Palpatine? Well, let's see...Bane's already no match for Palpatine and a crippled Nihilus?
No, DE Luke or Yoda kills them

You know the quality of your contributions seems to be on a downwards trend. You provide no evidence whatsoever and don't even make any sense (why is Nihilus crippled. He's only missing one dues ex technique but has plenty other really powerful abilities. Why is Bane no match for Palpatine?). Disappointing to say the least.

And your contributions to this have been 'well,m they'd win.'

Nothing more. If you can't bother to give reasonings, why should I?

Now, what has Bane shown that Palpaitne can't do better? Palpatine has
A. All of Bane's knowledge
B. has access to sources that'd make Bane tremble (Hello there, Ancient Sith spirits!)
C. More Sith holocrons of earlier eras that Bane could ever possibly have found
D. Directly stated to be the most powerful Sith of Bane's entire order. Which, last time I checked, includes Bane himself.

Oh, and this isn't even referencing DE Palpatine, who'd finish this fight rather quick.

Speed advantages? Power advantages? Now, without Nihilus's drain, what does he have going for himself?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And your contributions to this have been 'well,m they'd win.'

Nothing more. If you can't bother to give reasonings, why should I?

Now, what has Bane shown that Palpaitne can't do better? Palpatine has
A. All of Bane's knowledge
B. has access to sources that'd make Bane tremble (Hello there, Ancient Sith spirits!)
C. More Sith holocrons of earlier eras that Bane could ever possibly have found
D. Directly stated to be the most powerful Sith of Bane's entire order. Which, last time I checked, includes Bane himself.

Oh, and this isn't even referencing DE Palpatine, who'd finish this fight rather quick.

Speed advantages? Power advantages? Now, without Nihilus's drain, what does he have going for himself?
This doesn't mean that Palpatine is far above Bane, though.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Speed advantages? Power advantages? Now, without Nihilus's drain, what does he have going for himself?
Nihilus can quickly launch a powerful force attack on any target. He send Darth Traya flying right in to a wall with a flick of his hand. And you must note that Darth Traya is among the most formidable and dangerous Sith Lords in SW Universe.

So Nihilus isn't a joke even without his Drain.

While he simultaneously drained her, as evidence by her inability without the Force?

And Yoda is the second most foremost and dangerous of the Jedi, so?

they go down at 4 or 5

Go down at 5.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And your contributions to this have been 'well,m they'd win.'

Nothing more. If you can't bother to give reasonings, why should I?

Now, what has Bane shown that Palpaitne can't do better? Palpatine has
A. All of Bane's knowledge
B. has access to sources that'd make Bane tremble (Hello there, Ancient Sith spirits!)
C. More Sith holocrons of earlier eras that Bane could ever possibly have found
D. Directly stated to be the most powerful Sith of Bane's entire order. Which, last time I checked, includes Bane himself.

Oh, and this isn't even referencing DE Palpatine, who'd finish this fight rather quick.

Speed advantages? Power advantages? Now, without Nihilus's drain, what does he have going for himself?

For all of Palpatine's knowledge and power he never did anything as impressive as Bane by ROTS. Sidious certainly became the most powerful of Bane's Order, any Order for that matter, but I don't think that he was such when he fought Yoda. I really can't see Luke or Yoda being as strong as Nihilus AND Bane. Individually would be a different story, but against the pair, neither Luke or Yoda would win.

golly gee whiz! I suppose if we discount creating storms on several planets, throwing the Force out of balance and clouding the minds of the entire Jedi Order....nope, noooooothing impressive....oh, we can neglect defeating the strongest Jedi of all time and instantly dispatching three of the greatest Swordsmen the Jedi Order had ever known.

Luke would slaughter both of these two in seconds, thanks. Anything they've done that compare to him? At all?


Guess what, Glentract? What you THINK has absolutely no bearing on this. It's stated directly Palpatine was the only one who succeeded in fully mastering the Dark Side, the Most Powerful Sith in History, Greatest master of evil to EVER use Sith power...all in the context of By ROTS
I don't care what you think. The canon overrules you.

Against Luke, btw, they're both slaughtered

I don't know where you get these ridiculous fantasies that Luke would pwn a guy who controls the minds of thousands of people at all times while holding together the strongest ship in the known galaxy at that time and when doing all that it took the Jedi Exile, Visas, and Mandalore (aka perhaps the most powerful non-Force User alive and possibly ever to have lived) to kill him when he was in a weakened state (he was desperate to find Jedi to feed on thus walked into a potential trap), plus another guy that apparently moved a moon. You're ridiculous.

But even though I don't want to, I'll try to be a reasonable guy. If you really want to get into this again, make a thread in the literature forum with every bit of evidence for ROTS Sidious' power being greater than the likes of Bane and Nihilus that you can muster. Give feats, quotes, everything you want. The next time I get on and it's there I'll take a look at it and make a counter-argument to everything you say. Consider it a challenge if you like.

Yet Luke defeated a guy channeling the power of millions at a time. Fantasy? Please.

Btw, since I already countered this Mandalore bullshit, I want to hear how he's the strongest Mandalorian of all time,when we've seen Jango and Boba do things that pwn his ass.

OH, and Bane moved a moon? Proof please. OH, I'm sorr.y..you have anything but a retconned story when we know from later on that Dxun and Onderon are naturally close together and dozens of other details of BOTS were rendered invalid? Right.

And why should I have to make a thread with ROTs Sidious's feats? Direct quote for you: "Most powerful Sith in history." In reference to him in rOTs when he fought Yoda. Gotta love canon, eh?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yet Luke defeated a guy channeling the power of millions at a time. Fantasy? Please.

Just so you know, there is no reason to believe that Raynar was channeling the power of those people with anywhere near optimal efficiency. It's entirely possible that he was only getting a tenth of a percent of each person's energy. And the none of the Killicks appear to have had much Force Potential.

BTW, contrary to what the Matrix imples, the energy generated by one being's body is actually very little.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Btw, since I already countered this Mandalore bullshit, I want to hear how he's the strongest Mandalorian of all time,when we've seen Jango and Boba do things that pwn his ass.

When exactly did you counter it? All Jango ever did was call himself Mandalore when really there weren't any Mandalorians. Even during Boba's time the population of the Mandalorians never rose above 5 million I believe. When Canderous was trained and for most of his life they must have numbered in the billions to have effectively waged a war against the Republic.

Does the great Lightsnake care to enlighten us with some of the things Jango and Boba did that pwn Caderious' ass?

Side note: On the population of the Mandalorian's in Boba's time I'm not entirely sure. My copy of Sacrifice is in my brother's car and he'll be at work for a few more hours, so I can check later, but if someone else has a copy on hand that could give a more exact number that'd be great.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
OH, and Bane moved a moon? Proof please. OH, I'm sorr.y..you have anything but a retconned story when we know from later on that Dxun and Onderon are naturally close together and dozens of other details of BOTS were rendered invalid? Right.

To my knowledge neither story was ever given canon over the other. It's equally possible that BOTS retcons the other stories.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And why should I have to make a thread with ROTs Sidious's feats? Direct quote for you: "Most powerful Sith in history." In reference to him in rOTs when he fought Yoda. Gotta love canon, eh?

You should make the thread because I'm pretty certain Sidious doesn't have many feats and you're only hiding behind your flawed interpretation of "canon." What's the source of this quote?

Glentract, Lightsnake is 100% correct, although he exaggerates about the jedi who took on Sidious in the chamber. They were B level Jedi. However if you look at all the sources NOT in the movies, it is clear that Sidious is above and beyond every sith, from devastating force techniques, to sith alchemy, to creating his own techniques. He WAS the perfect sith.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Glentract, Lightsnake is 100% correct, although he exaggerates about the jedi who took on Sidious in the chamber. They were B level Jedi. However if you look at all the sources NOT in the movies, it is clear that Sidious is above and beyond every sith, from devastating force techniques, to sith alchemy, to creating his own techniques. He WAS the perfect sith.

That's what I've been saying for months now. Sidious was the best Sith to have ever lived, but it wasn't until long after ROTS that he became that.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Glentract, Lightsnake is 100% correct, although he exaggerates about the jedi who took on Sidious in the chamber. They were B level Jedi. However if you look at all the sources NOT in the movies, it is clear that Sidious is above and beyond every sith, from devastating force techniques, to sith alchemy, to creating his own techniques. He WAS the perfect sith.

All correct. Plus, there are what, three of four sources that state it outright?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
That's what I've been saying for months now. Sidious was the best Sith to have ever lived, but it wasn't until long after ROTS that he became that.


Yea, but it was by TPM that he was already the most powerful in Bane's order.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Just so you know, there is no reason to believe that Raynar was channeling the power of those people with anywhere near optimal efficiency. It's entirely possible that he was only getting a tenth of a percent of each person's energy. And the none of the Killicks appear to have had much Force Potential.
I suppose this is how we default when we're called on things.
Just like how there's no reason to believe Nihilus was controlling the minds of his crew, given Tobin

Btw, this is SW.



Weren't any Mandos? Tell it to Karen Traviss! There were about five planets' worth of Mandos.
When Canderous personally defeats Dooku's dark prodigy on his own, get back to me.
There's nothing going for Canderous, sorry

Except it doesn't, considering the more recent ones overrule the older ones.
PoD effectively overwrites BOTS. And Bane's fallible thoughts don't overwrite the direct sources



Three sources:
Dark Side Sourcebook
NEC
Heritage of the Sith
What's flawed about this? "Yoda was unable to defeat the most powerful Sith in History?"
A reference to ROTS....HUH!

And not many feats?
1. Creates storms in the force on numerous worlds
2. Bends the spirits of the Ancients to his will
3. Has the Ancients' spirits, plus numerous holocrons, Bane's, Nihilus's, Andeddu's and numerous others, to work with
4. slaughters three of the ebst Jedi swordsmen ever in moments
5. Clouds the minds of the entire Jedi Order

What do you mean bends the ancients to his will?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I suppose this is how we default when we're called on things.
Just like how there's no reason to believe Nihilus was controlling the minds of his crew, given Tobin

Called on things?

There's a bit of a difference between controlling those on you're ship and those hundreds of thousands of miles away. I believe the people on the bridge had something along the lines of "mindless slaves" above their heads when you looked at them.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Btw, this is SW.

That's why it was a BTW comment. Just wanted to make sure you didn't think the energy that even a billion bodies creates is all that significant when talking about starships and such.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Weren't any Mandos? Tell it to Karen Traviss! There were about five planets' worth of Mandos.
When Canderous personally defeats Dooku's dark prodigy on his own, get back to me.
There's nothing going for Canderous, sorry

How about when Jango was Mandalore? Was there planets worth after the Battle of Galidraan? Nope, not even close.

Canderous aided in killing Nihilus plus a huge number of Sith that were felled during the events of KOTOR 1 and 2. So there's actually a lot going for Canderous, and I'm not sorry.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except it doesn't, considering the more recent ones overrule the older ones.

Who decided this? You?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
PoD effectively overwrites BOTS. And Bane's fallible thoughts don't overwrite the direct sources

I must have missed something. Why are you talking about Bane's thoughts?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Three sources:
Dark Side Sourcebook
NEC
Heritage of the Sith
What's flawed about this? "Yoda was unable to defeat the most powerful Sith in History?"
A reference to ROTS....HUH!

Alright, I just looked up the quote. When it says power it appears to be defined as "the possession of control or command over others; authority; ascendancy" (dictionary.com). This is 100% Palpatine was far and away the most powerful person ever to have lived when this definition is true and it makes the quote fit with the rest of the SW universe. The above stated definition is the most logical one.

Basically, your omega-quote for Palpatine's supposed power is flawed.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And not many feats?
1. Creates storms in the force on numerous worlds
2. Bends the spirits of the Ancients to his will
3. Has the Ancients' spirits, plus numerous holocrons, Bane's, Nihilus's, Andeddu's and numerous others, to work with
4. slaughters three of the ebst Jedi swordsmen ever in moments
5. Clouds the minds of the entire Jedi Order

1. No until long after ROTS, which is the time period being discussed.
2. Prove that he did this as of ROTS.
3. He wouldn't have had the ability to utilize the majority of this until far later in his life. Most likely he never got through the majority of the knowledge he possed due to the sheer volume of it. Exar, who had a much smaller knowledge base to work with stated that he had more then he could ever use.
4. Cool. In all of two seconds Nihilus owned a woman who herself killed three Jedi who may have been more powerful than the ones Sidious killed in even less time than Sidious accomplished the feat you mentioned. Can you say "outdone?"
5. Won't help him at all in a fight.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Called on things?

There's a bit of a difference between controlling those on you're ship and those hundreds of thousands of miles away. I believe the people on the bridge had something along the lines of "mindless slaves" above their heads when you looked at them.
I recall them being mentioned by 'Sith Trooper', Dark Jedi, etc.

and didn't Palpatine actively cloud the minds of thousands of Force Users anyways?




Force potential and power isn't what I'd call simple energy

And before that? The Mandos controlled most of the sector

Feats, please. Direct evidence that isn't subjective gameplay. Proof Canderous did anything there


LFL's cannon policy, actually: Quite often, direct contradictions have the newer sources taking precedence. Especially given PoD overwrote quite a few already


because the only evidence he moved a moon in a worthless, retconned story is him thinking he can


It's wonderful that 'power' in SW is foten referred to as 'Force Power' with Force Users and the author of the guide specifically referred to it as Palpatine's force powers in question there. Anyone remember that email I posted ages ago from Dan Wallace?
Nice try, Glen. Nice worming

Except when you clear out your nitpicking bullshit away, 'power' to Force users is used to mena 'Power in the Force.' Especially in a direct COMBAT SCENARIO



Except you're wrong as he does so in Sithsiis, taking place when Palpatine is the SUpreme Chancellor

He'd done it since his youth and he's seen doing it in Sithisis as pointed out in the Ultimate Visual Guide

Which is ridiculous, considering it was stated Palpatine did learn all of it and later transcribed the knowledge in the Dark Side Compendium.

How long did it take Bane to learn all of Revan's Dark Side knowledge? A few weeks?

Oh, right...what powers did Zez, Kavar and Vrook show? Besides living in an inferior time, having less credentials and having nothing going for them at all...

Wowee! Nihilus double teamed his inferior, caught her off guard and won the fight! I'm in AWE!

Love all your PROOF, Glentract. Love how your denial extends to trying to worm out of canon quotes, too

Originally posted by Lightsnake
How long did it take Bane to learn all of Revan's Dark Side knowledge? A few weeks?
And how much of Revan's knowledge did Bane has utilized?

Bane indeed learned lots of useful and important things from Revan's holocron but still he was not powerful enough to control all the techniques that Revan knew. Bane himself admitted that Revan knew some techniques that were too dangerous to try. This means that it was not possible for Bane to utilize all of Revan's knowledge, thus making some of the knowledge useless for him.

So think befere you spout something.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, right...what powers did Zez, Kavar and Vrook show? Besides living in an inferior time, having less credentials and having nothing going for them at all...
Was it really necessary for them to demonstrate their powers? The problem is that we seldom see them in the fights but this does not changes the fact that those Jedi Masters were very experienced and battle-hardened.

Kavar was specially the battle-master of KOTOR period. He was among the greatest swordsmen of his age.

And those 3 Jedi Masters were about to harm Exile by removing her connection to the Force. Traya realized this and confronted them.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Wowee! Nihilus double teamed his inferior, caught her off guard and won the fight! I'm in AWE!
You are actually ignorant about that clash. Traya knew that Nihilus was also there and she was ready to fight.

But Nihilus send her flying in to a wall with a flick of his hand. And Traya failed to stop his attack. Now Traya is among the most powerful Sith of her age and she is the final boss in the KOTOR II. Still Nihilus dominated her with a flick of his hand.

Do not forget that Nihilus is among the most powerful Sith Lords in SW history.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And how much of Revan's knowledge did Bane has utilized?

Bane indeed learned lots of useful and important things from Revan's holocron but still he was not powerful enough to control all the techniques that Revan knew. Bane himself admitted that Revan knew some techniques that were too dangerous to try. This means that it was not possible for Bane to utilize all of Revan's knowledge, thus making some of the knowledge useless for him.
It's a good thing Palpatine is stronger than Bane, then. I don't see Bane able to force the spirits of Ancient Sith to do what he wants.
Regardless: Bane had all of Revan's Dark Side knowledge and that was passed down, along with much more Palpatine knew

Back to you


If you're trying to prove they were so damn powerful, yes. It was necessary

And Kit, Agen and Saesee were among the best swordsmen of any age

Which isn't much a feat, anyways. They were going to cut her off from the Force, which wasn't a huge, secret technique back then


so, why was she surprised in her chamber?

I don't. Don't forget Palpatine's the most powerful Sith Lord in SW history.

And moreover, Traya is surprised...otherwise she wouldn't be sitting there, waiting

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's a good thing Palpatine is stronger than Bane, then. I don't see Bane able to force the spirits of Ancient Sith to do what he wants.
I agree.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Regardless: Bane had all of Revan's Dark Side knowledge and that was passed down, along with much more Palpatine knew
Really?

Do you have any proof for this? Bane destroyed Revan's holocron and he never tried to use those techniques that were too dangerous for him to try. So how would he be able to teach those techniques to his apprentice?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
If you're trying to prove they were so damn powerful, yes. It was necessary
I only stated that they were powerful because of some obvious reasons that I have mentioned before. And Kavar was specially an accomplished warrior.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Kit, Agen and Saesee were among the best swordsmen of any age
Really? Were they battle-masters of PT period?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which isn't much a feat, anyways. They were going to cut her off from the Force, which wasn't a huge, secret technique back then
It is a feat because to harm Exile, you will need considerable power to pull off such a move.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
so, why was she surprised in her chamber?
Surprised by what? Can you show me a PIC?

She knew that Nihilus was there and hence she said the line "There are some techniques in the Force that cannot be defended against" and Nihilus indeed knew some of the such techniques.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I don't. Don't forget Palpatine's the most powerful Sith Lord in SW history.
I know but that is because of his incredible diisplay of power in DE.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And moreover, Traya is surprised...otherwise she wouldn't be sitting there, waiting
Traya said that "there were some disagreements" and she was talking about her disagreements with her two apprentices.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I agree.


Really?

Do you have any proof for this? Bane destroyed Revan's holocron and he never tried to use those techniques that were too dangerous for him to try. So how would he be able to teach those techniques to his apprentice?
I do: In PoD it's stated 'soon all his (Revan's) Dark Side knowledge would belong to Bane" and Bane destroys the holocron when he's nothing left to learn from it.
In Path of Destruction, it's stated Bane destroys the Holocron
Because he never used the techniques doesn't mean he didn't have or know them, Legend


Kavar I'll grant, yes. However, Saesee, Agen and Kit were specifically described as three of the top swordsmen ever


They were respected council members

I think you miss the purpose of the movie:
It's supposed to sever a connection to the force, making them a normal person....it's not about harming anyone, minus psychological damage


Yes, in retrospect after he'd assaulted her


You're missing it: The fact of the matter is, this is context to his duel with Yoda in ROTS


She sees Nihilus and Sion approach and there's not really much talking...

Someone show me where the B level jedi that faced Sidious were described as some of the best swordsmen ever.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Someone show me where the B level jedi that faced Sidious were described as some of the best swordsmen ever.

"Now Obi-Wan did face him. 'Palpatine faced Mace and Agen and Kit and Saesee -- four of the greatest swordsmen our Order has ever produced'" (Revenge of the Sith, Ch. 19)

Right there.

But if Lucas referred to them as B Level, that would certainly outweigh the novel, correct?

Is the author stating this, or is this stated by Obiwan?

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
But if Lucas referred to them as B Level, that would certainly outweigh the novel, correct?

Originally posted by Gideon
Someone else called them "the B team", and Lucas said that they appear like that because "you've got to be Mace or Yoda to compete with Sidious."

And no, even assuming for the sake of it that Lucas titled them the "B team", it wouldn't matter, because there's nothing in that statement that contradicts the novel.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Is the author stating this, or is this stated by Obiwan?

Neither. It's Yoda's words.

I don't even know how you could ask if it was the narrator, considering it says "our Order", not "the Order" (and given that it's an obvious fact the RotS novelization isn't a first person novel).

...im pretty sure it came from obi-wan

u cant seriously believe that yoda talks like that can u now