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I wanna know who will win. Dante has moved to anime I got pics to prove it. Anywayz Who will win??

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Granny Tsunade with the greatest of ease...

U sure about that? I say Dante will own her.

i am absolutly positive on that...she's got the speed, the strengh AND the experience...and she can heal herself...Dante as cool as his guns an' sword may be.. got nothing on her

Dante heals also. He was shot in the head by Lady and he didn't die.

but it takes him a whole lot longer to heal than Granny...and did i mention the countless jitsu's she knows? i'm sorry but Dante's lost here...

I don't think so. Dante is from hell and why would ninja powers be able to take down the devils son?!

Here we go. Stupid kiddie logic comes in to play, "he is a god he can not lose!!" etc. Tsuande would k.o dante with one combo of punches, I doubt he is fast enough to react. Any damage done to tsunade she can heal from instantly and knows many ninja techniques a few of which powerful enough to put dante down. The only way Dante stands a chance is if he is in demon form.

So if she takes a gun shot to the head she won't die, right?

Tsunade easy.

Im sure some of you must not know Dante really well.

1 how is the dante anime but ya tsunade will win considering she has like no small deals with jutsus and shit

Baa-chan, would walk all over dante. If he gets a small scratch from her when shes pumping chakra through her hand, hes done.

im convinced now that people here are CRAZY. dante is a being whos stood up against atacks and had a significant hand in defeats, beings BEYOND THE MULTIVERSE!!!!!!!{go play nocturne maniacs, ull see what im talkin about} these include metatron, beelzebub and LUCIFER HIMSELF! he TOYS with beings who can destroy worlds and defeates a god who was the very embodiement of despair and spelt the end of existance. defeated by tsunade bachan, PEOPLE ARE REALLY DREAMING HERE.

are u guys even sure you know who dante is?????????????

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im convinced now that people here are CRAZY. dante is a being whos stood up against atacks and had a significant hand in defeats, beings BEYOND THE MULTIVERSE!!!!!!!{go play nocturne maniacs, ull see what im talkin about} these include metatron, beelzebub and LUCIFER HIMSELF! he TOYS with beings who can destroy worlds and defeates a god who was the very embodiement of despair and spelt the end of existance. defeated by tsunade bachan, PEOPLE ARE REALLY DREAMING HERE.

are u guys even sure you know who dante is?????????????

Dont even bother trying to explain dude. They must not know who Dante is because if they did they would not be making those inane comments.
No offense but you guys should I dont know maybe ACTUALLY FIND OUT WHAT HE CAN DO BEFORE YOU START YAPPING!

Don't listen to Leonheartmm, he's proven himself on this forum to be an idiot and a fanboy,a lot of people agree with me.

Anyway, Tsunade wins.

See what he can do in the games and you will immediately realize how badass he actually is. Tsunade doesnt hold a candle to Dante.
Please, do some research guys.

Actually watch the show and you'll see why he dies.

I've seen both Naruto and the DMC games and anime. My money is on the son of Sparda.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Actually watch the show and you'll see why he dies.

My bad, if your talking about the one from the show thats different. But Dante from the games is pure kick ass.

Dante from games kills Tsunade easily. Seriously you all are either high, know nothing about DMC, or are hardcore Naruto fanboys. As far as anime goes Naruto characters are actually pretty weak.

I fall in to the first choice. Tsunade kicks his ass.

Originally posted by Magee
I fall in to the first choice. Tsunade kicks his ass.

Do you guys listen or are you all just drunk? There is absolutely no way Tsunade can beat Dante. If some one could just provide a link with some video game clips you guys would be inserting you foots into your mouths.

Tsunade loses and badly.

Tsunade not only loses, but Dante WTFPWNS her. It's not even worth debating, Naruto characters are so weak compared to DMC.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Tsunade not only loses, but Dante WTFPWNS her. It's not even worth debating, Naruto characters are so weak compared to DMC.

Agreed. Now can a mod please close this thread? There is nothing to be discussed here.

...In case you guys forgot, she's fighting Anime Dante. The games are irrelevant.

It wasn't stated by the creator this was anime Dante only. And Dante would have to be seriously nerfed to lose to Tsunade.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It wasn't stated by the creator this was anime Dante only. And Dante would have to be seriously nerfed to lose to Tsunade.

Its true. The guy who created this thread didnt specify so until he does the video game Dante is fair game.(No pun intended)

Well considering that this is the ANIME forum, and he started it off by saying that "Dante is an anime character now", I think it's a fair assumption to say so.

The anime Dante takes place post DMC 3 and maybe DMC 1. So, those feats are fair game until the series is proven to be out of continuity. Thus, Tsunade gets WTFPWNed.

I think Tsunade could win. He may not be able to die but doesn't mean he can't be koed. She's a lot stronger than him also, and could very well be faster. Could bury him under slugs also while shes at it. And if he is faster he's going to have a hard time moving if she decides to destroy the ground.

Originally posted by Kento
I think Tsunade could win. He may not be able to die but doesn't mean he can't be koed. She's a lot stronger than him also, and could very well be faster. Could bury him under slugs also while shes at it. And if he is faster he's going to have a hard time moving if she decides to destroy the ground. You're wrong. Dante is much faster, more skilled, and her strength would be no problem for him.

Thank u Terror of death, Trickster priest and leonheartmm. I knew Dante would own Tsunade. Well I actually believed that the anime Dante will take after his abilities in the game. Thank u 2 Violent 2 dope. I knew Dante wouldn't lose.

And yes I agree with you Naruot characters are weak. They can't even beat GOKU from DBZ.

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alright everyone your looking at the facts of animes and how each and their own have their high and low levels ok.... but honestly out of all the good animes out their saying a tsunade would win no she has low skills alright wowo strength jariaya has that alright sooo tsunade isnt the best 2nd wit the animes ok saiyans are good if the enemy has a limit and they can jump him lol or fuse or do other things.... they train to fight ok ... naruto they train to fight.bleach they train to fight.kiba they train to fight ... but ... bouso renkin they fight with the heart and black kurogane like victor VICTOR WAS THE BEST AND THE STRONGEST OF ALL ABLE TO TAKE THE ENERGY FROM THE EARTH HE WASNT EVEN BEATEN.... he just see sight of a never ending battle if he wanted to continue soooooo i just stated victor from bouso renkin *(arms alchemy)* is as close as you can get to being a GOD

Originally posted by ladov52014
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alright everyone your looking at the facts of animes and how each and their own have their high and low levels ok.... but honestly out of all the good animes out their saying a tsunade would win no she has low skills alright wowo strength jariaya has that alright sooo tsunade isnt the best 2nd wit the animes ok saiyans are good if the enemy has a limit and they can jump him lol or fuse or do other things.... they train to fight ok ... naruto they train to fight.bleach they train to fight.kiba they train to fight ... but ... bouso renkin they fight with the heart and black kurogane like victor VICTOR WAS THE BEST AND THE STRONGEST OF ALL ABLE TO TAKE THE ENERGY FROM THE EARTH HE WASNT EVEN BEATEN.... he just see sight of a never ending battle if he wanted to continue soooooo i just stated victor from bouso renkin *(arms alchemy)* is as close as you can get to being a GOD Wtf are you talking about!?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Wtf are you talking about!?

I'd like to know as well........

Anyway , Quicksilver for the win.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
You're wrong. Dante is much faster, more skilled, and her strength would be no problem for him.

More skilled? In weapons maybe but he's also going to have a hard time moving fast on the ground cause all she has to do it start cracking it and he'll trip. Tsunade's also smarter, and not as cocky as Dante is. She could also make it harder for him to move by covering the field in explosive tags. She has ways to easily make it where he can't move, or at least get hurt when he does move. Along with her strength that could send him flying when she landed a hit. It's not such a one-sided battle to me.

Can he do Quicksilver in the anime?

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Don't listen to Leonheartmm, he's proven himself on this forum to be an idiot and a fanboy,a lot of people agree with me.

Anyway, Tsunade wins.


i can practically see bullshit pouring out of your mouth. for the less thick/special among us, we shud know that you can not comment on dante unless youve played the games. and this idiot obviously has not.

SOME of dante's feats

can traverse dimensions at will
can teleport
was fast anough to RIDE a rocket from a rocket launcher
has had mystical scythes from shinigamis pierce 80% of his body and {practically slidec in pieces} and still went on to eat his pizza and kill all the grim reaper's ass}
ran faster than a meteor and the air around hims started burning
wields weopons containing fire hotter than the heart of a volcanoe and enough ot damage the abussal cold of the deepest hell
destroyed a bieng who could have wiped the normal universe clean of life
has survived in the underworld
was unnafftected by both the fire of hell, lightening, light of abaddon, elements of hells keeper{the three headed dog}, agni and rudra, and the list goes on.
manhandles mystical beats the size of large scyscrappers with brute strength
has a mystical element to all his attacks, even bullets
easily sliced an incoming missile in half without blinking or making it explode
doesnt need air/water/food to survive,
easily slices through boulders 10s of times larger than highrise buildings
easily destroyed a god who was the very ambodiement of the abstract despair
was moving faster than light while fighting vergil
was hired by lucifer himself{a being shown later to be beyond the amala multiverse} to hunt down his candelbra of the sephiroth to open the entrance of the sealed hell which yahweh himself had sealed
toyed with the demi fiend, lucifer's greatest creation and in the end only let him live cause he wanted to see more of the ongoing drama and get his JACKPOT
easily withstood and had a part in defeating beelzebub, a demon beyond the amala multiverse
easily withstood the power of metatron an angel one with god and beyond the multiverse and also had a great hand in his defeat
withstood the power of lucifer himself and had a part in his defeat{technically} who was ALSO beyond the muyltiverse and even metatron.
survived the most evil and wicked cloister of hell{5th kalpa} while fighting the strongest demons and looked like he was just having afteroon tea.
resisted and had a hand in defeating kagutsuchi the light that destroyes the universe and gives birth to the next one.
was shot twice in the head and brushed it off as being rather bored and took his own blood and licked it/wrote sumthing on the wall with it
is faster than speeding bullets, as he easily slices through them
when he was impaled through the chest with an extremely powerful mystical sword with further mystical strength by trish, got right up, while casually talking to trish, pulled the sword out of himself and gouged it in the ground.
is stronger than sparda, a demon who single handedly forced the entire underwolrd and its lord to fall and sealed it all.
can stop time
can slow time
can use his shadow to create clones
can traverse in all mystical dimension


sigh, i cud go on and ON. but the list is far too long.
seriously dont comment on dante if you havent played all 4 games. i dont know too much as yet of the anime dante, but im sure its a lot weaker to keep the action on a sword swinging level. otherwise ud have sumthing like saint seiya or dragon ball and have a planet being destroyed every other second form an energy bolt.

im a fan of naruto but i dont really see ANY1 bringing him down for good. seeing as he already takes down characters beyond the multiverse. certainly not granny tsunade. or the kyuubi for that matter. dante is just a BEAST.

{btw if you want authentication on ANY of those feats ask in your reply and ill tell u exactly where and when it happened. it was far too long ot mention everything back there}

Originally posted by leonheartmm l
was hired by lucifer himself{a being shown later to be beyond the amala multiverse} to hunt down his candelbra of the sephiroth to open the entrance of the sealed hell which yahweh himself had sealed
toyed with the demi fiend, lucifer's greatest creation and in the end only let him live cause he wanted to see more of the ongoing drama and get his JACKPOT
easily withstood and had a part in defeating beelzebub, a demon beyond the amala multiverse
easily withstood the power of metatron an angel one with god and beyond the multiverse and also had a great hand in his defeat
withstood the power of lucifer himself and had a part in his defeat{technically} who was ALSO beyond the muyltiverse and even metatron.

When was any of that done??

And when is it stated that Dante and Vergil are fighting at lightspeed?
And is DMC4 even out? I didn't think it was.

Tsunade, I'd say Dante is on the same level as D as far as overall ability. That said,either of them can take any of the students pre-timeskip, but tsunade is too high a level. Alucard would have a difficult time pulling it off.

Originally posted by Kento
When was any of that done??

And when is it stated that Dante and Vergil are fighting at lightspeed?
And is DMC4 even out? I didn't think it was.

shin megami tensei nocturne {director'd cut/maniacs version}

go play it{unless your against occult or against notoriously hard rpg's}.
one of the best rpgs on the ps2

Originally posted by leonheartmm
shin megami tensei nocturne {director'd cut/maniacs version}

go play it{unless your against occult or against notoriously hard rpg's}.
one of the best rpgs on the ps2

So how can you use things from Shin Megami Tensei as feats though? Isn't not part of the actual DMC series. Or is it somehow canon to the DMC games?

Originally posted by Kento
So how can you use things from Shin Megami Tensei as feats though? Isn't not part of the actual DMC series. Or is it somehow canon to the DMC games?

ill give u reasons.its cannon.

created by capcom, creator of devil may cry.
created by part of the team of devil may cry.

the maniacs version has a special dungeon called the labyrinth of amala, this is HUGE, and also explains the initially unexplained origins of most things in the original game including yahweh/kagutsuchi/lucifer/hisnurse/the amala multiverse and god's manipulation. the progression and story are from the START of the game intertwined with dante as being used by lucifer. infact he is the one who is the reason why we enter the labyrinth{a place outside the multiverse}. we fight him numerous times and he gives us vital information key to the amala plot. also he is the bos at multiple levels of the labyrinth in more ways than one. when he joins us, he comments on the fights ahead and its impossible to deny his proposal if you want to continue.lucifer himself talks about dante. since the amala is the GIST of the game and its origin. and dante has been a key part of it. hes as cannon as lucifer or metatron or beelzebub or the four horsemen/majin. he isnt a SIDE character in any way and isnt disconneced as he also mention clearly, getting a JOB in his office form the old man and being caught up in the coneption so its not alternate universe.

ive forgotten some oher things. but for all those reason., yes, its cannon. its not like his appearance on viewtiful joe or sumthing if thas what ur thinkin.

I'm not thinking just an appearance. But just because it's made by Capcom shouldn't make it automatically canon. It could be a completely different universe Dante. I can't prove it's not canon but unless it's somehow hinted in the storyline of DMC that he did that it also can't really be proved it is canon unless the creators come out and say that DMC and Shin Megami Tensei take place in the same universe.

Originally posted by Kento
I'm not thinking just an appearance. But just because it's made by Capcom shouldn't make it automatically canon. It could be a completely different universe Dante. I can't prove it's not canon but unless it's somehow hinted in the storyline of DMC that he did that it also can't really be proved it is canon unless the creators come out and say that DMC and Shin Megami Tensei take place in the same universe.

i already explained in my post how it was the same universe. and dante is a devil hunter who takes numerous jobs and has a lot of expirience in the DMC series. surely that can fit in. btw SMT was chronologically after devil may cry 2{so it wudnt be directly hinted in the DMC series} and was actually made a little before DMC3 came out so i doubt theyd put a direct reference. and also, some of the CREATORS were on the NOCTURNE team.

reguardless even normal DMC dante woud easily put the kyuubi down. hes on another level beating the despair embodied and all.

It still doesn't prove DMC and Shin Megami Tensei occupy the same universe though. Just because some of the DMC creators made the game also doesn't mean it's the same universe. Maybe they just wanted to have Dante in it and got to be able to. It still could be an Alternate Universe Dante. It can be assumed they take place in the same universe but not proven unless DMC 4 mentions something from it.

Same with the anime and the game of DMC. Unless the anime is specifically said to be a continuation of the game then anything from the game isn't vaild if the anime Dante is used.

Tsunade's not even that powerful. In terms of battle skill she's the weakest of the sannin.

What she lacks in jutsu she makes up for in strength however. She may not know as many jutsu's as Jiriaya, and surely few people know more than Orochimaru but she can still keep up with them. Course she got the short end of the deal when it came to what she summons. Knowing more jutsu's don't make you best however.

why doesnt it? if dante mentions his office? also theres nuthing in megaten which contradicts dante's feats or past.

Dante

Originally posted by Kento
What she lacks in jutsu she makes up for in strength however. She may not know as many jutsu's as Jiriaya, and surely few people know more than Orochimaru but she can still keep up with them. Course she got the short end of the deal when it came to what she summons. Knowing more jutsu's don't make you best however. Her taijutsu is shit compared to the two. She failed to kill Orochimaru despite how weakened he was. Jiraiya as admitted by Itachi would kill both him and Kisame if they fought. Tsunade in terms of fighting is weakest. All she has is strength.

tsunade had her hemophobia at the time, jiraya was drugged, and urochimaru had no use of both hands. odd kinda handicap so i wudnt conclude anything from that. her taijutsu is stronger than the other two she nearly killed jiraya once when he peeked at her. she also has the advantage in medical jutsu. itachi never said jiraya would kill him. he just said theyd both be put in unneeded danger. hes proven to be beyond even urochimaru and wud kill tsunade. it was KISAME who said he sudnt fight on the same level as jiraya.

I seriously doubt Tsunade can dodge a bullet to the head. I will say it one last time, Dante wins.

Originally posted by Kero_Co
Tsunade, I'd say Dante is on the same level as D as far as overall ability. That said,either of them can take any of the students pre-timeskip, but tsunade is too high a level. Alucard would have a difficult time pulling it off.

I'm calling total bullshit on this. D would get clobbered by Dante, and D would also defeat most Naruto characters.

ALUCARD?! Nobody in Naruto has even a prayer in hell of taking him out. He could possibly solo the entire planet.

Oh really, D has hiei level speed, thousands of years of experience, and a handy plot device(left hand). I have mentioned before that D has utterly destroyed alternate realities. Although I'm not saying that D could kill dante or Vice Versa, since both a near immortal. Also, your right about Alucard, I completly forgot about the whole percentage thing. I don't think Alucard can take all the ninjas normally, no they can't kill him but there are other things, but if he is allowed to do so unrestrained he can.

tsunade had a hard time beating zabuto

dante can easily kill zabuto

dante wins

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Jiraiya as admitted by Itachi would kill both him and Kisame if they fought.
I'd just like to point out that Itachi had used up the Mangekyo Sharingan at that point.

Just checked something. In the opening for the DMC anime, Dante is fighting several demons and various creatures. Some of them are sand demons from DMC 3, and one of them.........is Phantom from DMC 1. It shows him taking out Phantom's legs in one sword slash.

So.........the anime is considered part of the regular DMC series canon, along with the games, until further notice.

Thus, Dante is the clear winner. Thanks for the info TricksterPriest.
Now anyone who says he will lose is making a complete fool of themselves.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
tsunade had her hemophobia at the time, jiraya was drugged, and urochimaru had no use of both hands. odd kinda handicap so i wudnt conclude anything from that. her taijutsu is stronger than the other two she nearly killed jiraya once when he peeked at her. she also has the advantage in medical jutsu. itachi never said jiraya would kill him. he just said theyd both be put in unneeded danger. hes proven to be beyond even urochimaru and wud kill tsunade. it was KISAME who said he sudnt fight on the same level as jiraya. That's all bull. Her taijutsu sucks, her only advantage is strength and medical jutsu. And that was years ago when Tsunade beat up Jiraiya, and I doubt he was fighting back. And Itachi did say Jiraiya would kill them both and said even if they had more people they would lose. Tsunade got over her hemophobia during the fight and still failed to kill Orochimaru, despite his severe handicap. Jiraiya was drugged yes, but was still able to summon Gamabunta and stay alive in the fight.

virgil would kill both of them so it doesnt matter who wins lol

Originally posted by yungz22
virgil would kill both of them so it doesnt matter who wins lol Good point.

virgil was defeated by dante in all DMCs to date.
still, ur right, hed probably simultaneously kill all the jinchuuriko, blinfolded, hoolahooping, standing on on leg, hands tied and holding his yamato sword in his mouth.
tsunade's strength IS part of her TAIjutsu, she has the strongest taijutsu out of the wrest, based on her perfect chakra control, buildup and release{seen in sakura} to co huge damage. its not really STRENGTH, it seems like that because of perfect chakra control, she is the strongest taijutsu user out of the three. and yes it was years ago, but you dont know if he was/was not fighting back. he didn say it was like being beaten up by the 4 tails. and no itachi said facing jiraya would put them both in unnecessary rick. later he proved he was stronger by destroying his ultimate toad's stomach barrier. and we know for a fact that even urochimaru isnt as strong as itachi so no, jiraya isnt on the same level. nor is tsunade. and after she got over it, she was able to scare urochimaru enough ot cause him to flea. or do u think he just left for the heck of it? lets not forget urochi had kabuto at his side also attacking tsunade and summoning manda. jiraya got his ass beaten, and summoned gamabunta, so what, tsunade summoned her snail too. plus she also had her regenerative capabilities.

Okay let me think of a way to phrase this...her taijutsu technique sucks. Sure combined with her chakra enhanced strength they wouldn't wanna fight her because the risk of getting hit is too great.

erm, how do you KNOW her taijustsu TECHNIQUE sucks? shes only ever been seen to fight once and that was against urochimaru when she was down and had her hemophelia. besides how can you seperate her chakra release from her TECHNIQUE?! its PART of her technique the same way as chakra release is part of neiji's jyuuken taijutsu technique.

Tsunade is exponentially stronger, faster and more skilled then Dante but honestly with Dante's damage soak and durability, I'm not sure if that even matters. Physically it may be impossible for Tsunade to drop Dante... luckily a simple genjutsu should do the trick though.

Tsunade is NOT faster than Dante. All she has is her strength and you know what, that really doesn't matter because she'll be dead before she has the chance to use it.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Tsunade is NOT faster than Dante. All she has is her strength and you know what, that really doesn't matter because she'll be dead before she has the chance to use it.

You won't find a single DMC in game cinematic, anime sequence or manga panel that supports your claim.

Dante doesn't have single speed feat that would suggest to me is as fast as 13 year old Kakashi from the Gaiden. He isn't even close to as fast as any jounin level ninja.

Genjutsu wont work on anyone outside the naruto world as it relies on chakra flow to the brain, some thing unique to the naruto characters so it technicaly shouldnt work on anyone outside of it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You won't find a single DMC in game cinematic, anime sequence or manga panel that supports your claim.

Dante doesn't have single speed feat that would suggest to me is as fast as 13 year old Kakashi from the Gaiden. He isn't even close to as fast as any jounin level ninja.

are you QUITE SURE OF THAT?

dante was fast enough to actually RIDE an incoming rocket from a rocket launcher. he was fast enough to casually slice incoming rockets and bullets in half. dante can teleport instantaneously. dante can move faster than even mystical lightening from griffon. dante can move faster than a meteor, so much so that the air around him grew white hot. he can dodge virgil's attacks which are so fast that virgil slices things to ribbons with multiple slashes while not having perceptually moved at ALL. he moves faster than human cognition. in the time it took for a single raindrop to land from dante's height to the ground, he and vergil had exchanged literrally inumerable blows. dante can even move faster than the hell hound who moves instantaneously in the speed of SHADOWS{i.e lightspeed}. in the time it took for his spinning sword to hit the ground, dante disappeared and spontaneously reappeared behind an ABSTRACT EMBODYING GOD who didnt even percieve him. he casually went on to charge and kill him with a stylish shot and all before his sword even hit the ground. dante can move faster than almost anything as he can stop time/cause ripples through time. this sops time for all around him, even the lightspeed superhumans and dante can literally toy with them in NO TIME at all. dante's spead feats are INSANE. well then again, so are all his other feats. i already gave you many. and please dont tell me tsunade has more strength than to over power a mystical DEMON larger than a skyscrapper with bare hands or trade blows with beings beyond the multiverse or god's that embody the very essence of abstract concepts or the ruler of hell.

and no, even tsukiyomi wont work on dante. he has FAR too much mystical power and experince with these things.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
are you QUITE SURE OF THAT?

dante was fast enough to actually RIDE an incoming rocket from a rocket launcher. he was fast enough to casually slice incoming rockets and bullets in half. dante can teleport instantaneously. dante can move faster than even mystical lightening from griffon. dante can move faster than a meteor, so much so that the air around him grew white hot. he can dodge virgil's attacks which are so fast that virgil slices things to ribbons with multiple slashes while not having perceptually moved at ALL. he moves faster than human cognition. in the time it took for a single raindrop to land from dante's height to the ground, he and vergil had exchanged literrally inumerable blows. dante can even move faster than the hell hound who moves instantaneously in the speed of SHADOWS{i.e lightspeed}. in the time it took for his spinning sword to hit the ground, dante disappeared and spontaneously reappeared behind an ABSTRACT EMBODYING GOD who didnt even percieve him. he casually went on to charge and kill him with a stylish shot and all before his sword even hit the ground. dante can move faster than almost anything as he can stop time/cause ripples through time. this sops time for all around him, even the lightspeed superhumans and dante can literally toy with them in NO TIME at all. dante's spead feats are INSANE. well then again, so are all his other feats. i already gave you many. and please dont tell me tsunade has more strength than to over power a mystical DEMON larger than a skyscrapper with bare hands or trade blows with beings beyond the multiverse or god's that embody the very essence of abstract concepts or the ruler of hell.

and no, even tsukiyomi wont work on dante. he has FAR too much mystical power and experince with these things.

Originally posted by Bizzy Bullet
Thank u Terror of death, Trickster priest and leonheartmm. I knew Dante would own Tsunade. Well I actually believed that the anime Dante will take after his abilities in the game. Thank u 2 Violent 2 dope. I knew Dante wouldn't lose.

And yes I agree with you Naruot characters are weak. They can't even beat GOKU from DBZ. I agree, Dante beats Tsunade. But why bring up Goku? Naruto characters can't beat him, but Dante can't either

Originally posted by G-Mafia
I agree, Dante beats Tsunade. But why bring up Goku? Naruto characters can't beat him, but Dante can't either Lol yeah.

ICHIGO WOULD MESS UP DANTE lol with his bankai- come on lol and than hallow hahahha what is this not even a match

Dante would f*ck Ichigo up.

Dante, shoots the bit*h in the head. Now, somebody call the cops.

actually dante, as he was seen against the despair embodied and in nocturne could very easily kill sun goku. seeing as even metatron, outside the multiverse and having the power of yahweh cudnt put him down. dante's level is very volatile and it depends on his state of mind and willingness to forgo control of his demonic blood. piss him off and your DEAD.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually dante, as he was seen against the despair embodied and in nocturne could very easily kill sun goku. seeing as even metatron, outside the multiverse and having the power of yahweh cudnt put him down. dante's level is very volatile and it depends on his state of mind and willingness to forgo control of his demonic blood. piss him off and your DEAD. Dante killed Yahweh/God?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Dante killed Yahweh/God?

no. even for dante, i bet yahwen is far too terrible of a power to face. in the 5th kalpa of the labyrinth of amala. which gave power to and existed outside the bounds of the amala multiverse. the demi fiend was defeated by dante{he DID go on to challenge yahweh with the dark angel himself and the army of demons awaiting release form their curse} but later spared him as he was keen on finding out MORE about the so called holy battle. they went on to the end of the lowest kalpa. and faced off against METATRON, the supreme angel{taken from kaballah}. even above micheal. the angel was, claimed in the game, and historically too. was ONE WITH GOD. god had warned demi fiend not to proceed into the depths of the abyss of amala doing the biding of lucifer and opening each sealed layer by giving to the demon, the candelbra of each virtue in the sephiroth. the demi fiend did, in his truth for the cause of conception and the divine hypocricy which caused the conception and the destruction of his and all worlds by kagutshuchi. and finally god sent a piece of himself, his highest creation, and most powerful. the holy angel metatron, the scribe of fate and one with god's conciousness in the garden above all others. he swore to stop demi fiend and any with him, dante was there right beside him. officially, the only two to have definately battled metatron, were demi fiend and dante. and they KILLED him. and proceeded into opening the lowest kalpa and demi fiend became a full fledged demon by lucifer's help and the way for the final conflict was laid open. ofcourse after that, dante's official role also fades off. hes still with demi fiend and against the test fight with the true form of lucifer but his intentions are not known{oh yeah they defeat lucifer too, albeit not to kill him, lucifer just wanted to test them. he was also, MUCH more powerful than metatron.}

all this happens in shin megami tensei: nocturne{lucifer's call} maniacs version.

oddly enough the demi fiend had the PAINSTAKING quest of defeating the majin and horsemen of death/mother harlot riding the 9 headed biblical beats/the trumpeter angel whose 9 trumpets destroyed the universe to bring about the judgement, and collectin the candelbra and opening each kalpa. but dante {who was also hired by lucifer to do the same, albiet he got bored on the way and wudnt do lucifer's biding} always managed to be there before the place was even unsealed by the power of the candelbra to destroy yahweh's seals. maybe its cause hes a true demon trancending almost all thers. i dunno. also, yahweh is the supreme in in shin megaten, so maybe the reason dante didnt actually kill lucifer or demi fiend is because he already found his TRUE "JACKPOT"{which really is why he teamed up with demi fiend in his own words to begin with}.

Is any of that canon to DMC? Oh, and can Dante blow up a planet?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Is any of that canon to DMC? Oh, and can Dante blow up a planet?

yea im pretty sure it is. DMC series itself is pretty disjointed with huge gaps. also, look at my previous posts which explain why.

on dante destroying a planet, we have a problem. its called physical perspective management. hes definately stood up to universe/multiverse destroying beings and abstracts. but i doubt hed be SEEN destroying a planet. its the same thing. once you show people doing that, its not very ACTION orientated, simply because the character is a little dot and the energy blast destroys planets{which have to be seen in similar or same frames in comics/anime/video games}. you cant see any acrpbatics, evasions, stylish physical feats or hand to hand combat or straight on, enemy/enemy interaction.

if your wondering, thats also ONE reason why they ower down dragon ball characters again and again. even pre super saying vegeta could destroy a planet as big as namek. looking form that, youd think that sum1 like mystical gohan could easily destroy galaxies. but thats not true, they confine themselves to sup planet destroyers for the most part so that each hit doesnt end up destroying the entire planet, and risking ridicule.

but as far as power goes, no problem, dante can destroy the world. but theyd never show it cause then dante wud lose all charm.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yea im pretty sure it is. DMC series itself is pretty disjointed with huge gaps. also, look at my previous posts which explain why.

on dante destroying a planet, we have a problem. its called physical perspective management. hes definately stood up to universe/multiverse destroying beings and abstracts. but i doubt hed be SEEN destroying a planet. its the same thing. once you show people doing that, its not very ACTION orientated, simply because the character is a little dot and the energy blast destroys planets{which have to be seen in similar or same frames in comics/anime/video games}. you cant see any acrpbatics, evasions, stylish physical feats or hand to hand combat or straight on, enemy/enemy interaction.

if your wondering, thats also ONE reason why they ower down dragon ball characters again and again. even pre super saying vegeta could destroy a planet as big as namek. looking form that, youd think that sum1 like mystical gohan could easily destroy galaxies. but thats not true, they confine themselves to sup planet destroyers for the most part so that each hit doesnt end up destroying the entire planet, and risking ridicule.

but as far as power goes, no problem, dante can destroy the world. but theyd never show it cause then dante wud lose all charm.

Technically, Dante in Super Sparda form probably can do that. But we'll never see it in game. DMC is NOT Darkstalkers/DBZ where planet destroying feats are ridiculised to the lvevel that they seem as common to characters as eating, drinking and shitting.

And you're right about Dante losing all his charm by performing such a ridiculous feat on panel. Dante doesn't fit planet destroyer role...really.

Cell had the power to destroy the solar system.

indeed cell did have the power to destroy the solar system. but they NEVER showed it did they. he claimed it and i have no reason to doubt him. but it would become ridiculous if he did things like that.{actually this is often used as evidence by some silly people to make dum claims like, "SUPERMAN CAN BEAT EVERY DRAGON BALL GT CHARACTER SIMULTANEOUSLY" because the characters never seem to show more than general planet destroyoing feats even if they claim they can do a whole lot better}. same way, the entire world isnt much even for DMC dante let alone nocturne dante. yet hed never do shit like that. he WILL however defeat universe busters is one on one combat.

Can he take a Solar System shattering blast?

despair embodied was a universe destroying being. mundus could destroy all humanity and goodness. metatron could destroy the multiverse. dante single handedly resisted the attacks of all three. and killed personally, 2 of them. and had a hand in killing metatron. lucifer could desotroy the multiverse but dante faced off against him too and wook his hits and had ahand in his defeat.

I played and own all 3 games and I would like to know when the hell Dante became this super powered God? He shoots things, slices things and can transform in to a powerful demon. Your judging his power based on the power of others, not a good idea.

Seriously I don't know wtf leonheartmm is talkin about. He's sayin shit like he's killed universe shattering beings.

YES. the despair embodied was an androgynous god who could destroy the world. he was the very embodiement of an abstract concept of despair. ive finished all three games{each} over 5 times. unlockingeverything/reading every bio or info/playing on evry difficluty or mode. i know what im talking about. ive also played nocturne:maniacs. which no1 here seems to have. in it. the characters THEMSELVES, expicitly tell you the nature of the entire amala multiverse. after all THATS WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT! after the conception{end of the world and transition of the rebirth of the world} you are demi fiend. whose actions will judge the type of world that will come to be.i.e world of silence/world of solitude/world of strong/world of chaos/world of happiness/world of order/world of absolute evil/no world at all. andin that are beings {like beelzebub, metatron, lucifer} who are beyond the multiverse itself. and you fight them too. dante is integral to that part of the story. furthermore, the creator of the world, kagutsuhi is also an enemy. seriously go play the game{if you dare, its probably the darkest/hardest youll come by} if you wann know what i mean. it has the most intense following in japan. and was tied with shadow hearts 2 as being the best RPG of 2003.

So this game your talking about, was it only released in Japan as ive never heard of it. Is dante even in the game your on about? Also is this a case of he beats a god so he must be god like in power? Dante done nothing in all 3 games which suggests he is anything near universal level.

Originally posted by Magee
So this game your talking about, was it only released in Japan as ive never heard of it. Is dante even in the game your on about? Also is this a case of he beats a god so he must be god like in power? Dante done nothing in all 3 games which suggests he is anything near universal level. Yeah I mean seriously, he's strong but I've never seen him possess power like that.

the game im talkin about was also released in the usa and uk. it was released worl over. and again, i wudnt be SAYING IT IF IT WERENT TRUE!!!!! duh , dante is in the game. ill google it n try n post scans. damn you people are hard to please. and no, in devil may cry one,he defeated a being stron enough to destroy the world{mundus}. and in devil may cry 2 he beat a being who was a god and the very embodiement of the very concenpt of despair{final boss on normal/hard mode on dante's dick. the aptly named. DESPAIR EMBODIED}

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/436197_21-rasengan-vs-chidori-one-thousand-birds

dammit! i mistakenly posted all the scans on the two pages of the raasengan vs chidori thread. oh anyhow, check them out if you wanna see a lil of dante in nocturne. he actually WAS there and has a role.

Dude there is no way it is canon. What is the name of the game again?

We're counting MegaTen now? There's no ****ing way that Dante's Shin Megami Tensei appearence is canon.

Yea that's what I kept saying.

im skipping over half of this bs

first off these threads arnt allowd, i dont know how many times its been stated

naruto characters arnt half as week as most of you think, and btw

bizzy bullet i read your earlier statement, that narto characters cant beat goku from dbz so they are weak, are you mentally challaanged? there are so many naruto characters that can dominate him, itachi for one, you dont think into it, sure a blast from goku is more powerful than most if not all naruto attacks, but you forget, IT DOESNT MEAN HE CANT BE BEATEN, battles are not only about pure brute force

you people are crazy "ok" maybe dante would beat tsunde, tsunde isnt the most powerful ninja, considering she specializes in medical training, all she really has is th eslug, and her brute strength, so depending on what dante's abilties are shed get owned, a gun>tsunde, im not sure how fast she really is, to tell the truth we dont know her full potential, u dont see her fight very much so far in naruto

but i also dont read the manga, just read alot of spoilers


~Rob

battles here arent just about brute force, if we are playing tactics etc. think about it thoroughly, i highly doubt tsunde, is gonna just run up to dante and try to punch him after she sees hes got weapons

past feats are irrelevant
tsunde would "most likely"
but it doesnt mean there arnt plenty of naruto characters who couldnt wtf pwn dante


ok so i read a little more of the thread
game dante, sounds way over exagerated
they take things to a new level, and the worlds shouldnt be compared

it was also basically established were talking aobut anime, not the game from what i read earlier on, so i dont see what your all still blabbering aobut

No Naruto character can beat Dante, except maybe Kyubi, and Itachi would not beat Goku, he can destroy planets.

wow did u not read what i said, of course he can destroy planets, but do u think goku is gonna sit there and destroy a planet hes sitting on, THINK ABOUT BATTLES THOROUGHLY NOT THICK HEADED, little thing called genjutsu go look it up


how often do u see goku go, oh no im bored of fighting this enemy, lets destroy earth?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Itachi would not beat Goku, he can destroy planets.

If any Naruto character could easily take out Gokou or any of the Z warriors it would be Itachi. Itachi would have them in an illusion before the fight even starts there is no way Itachi shouldn't be able to win most fights he is in simply for the genjutsu he always uses. Gokou doesn't have any abilities that keep him from being tricked by illusions and Itachi's illusions can kill. Of course the jutsu that supposedly burns hotter than the sun Amaterasu (sp?) while Gokou is in an illusion that he's trapped and can't move should work.

Personally, I'd love to see what would happen if he tried that on a telepath. Like someone like Mr. Sinister or Apocalypse. I bet they'd turn the tsukiyomi back on him in a flash.

yah, if u actually think about it, dbz characters know nothing of jutsu, if they got trapped in most theyd be screwed, im pretty sure, naruto characters can dodge quite a few attacks from dbz characters, lol dbz characters dont know the difference between shadow clones and ninja,
dbz characters would be screwed

Okay, Goku destroys planet and ITs to another one. Or, he could fly up and kill Itachi in one punch before he has a chance to move. And don't even try to convince me that Naruto characters are evn a quarter as fast as DBZ characters.

Originally posted by boobsmagee
little thing called genjutsu go look it up Genjutsu shouldnt work on anyone outside the naruto world as it relies on chakra flow.

you never know though lol, there energy systems may be different, but they still have one, there could be a possibliy of it still working, and there is still a possibility of other jutsus, either way, alot of naruto characters have a good chance

Originally posted by Magee
Genjutsu shouldnt work on anyone outside the naruto world as it relies on chakra flow. It would sort of be like DBZ's ki so I don't see why it wouldn't work there or anywhere else.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Okay, Goku destroys planet and ITs to another one. Or, he could fly up and kill Itachi in one punch before he has a chance to move. And don't even try to convince me that Naruto characters are evn a quarter as fast as DBZ characters.

Except that before Gokou could do anything he'd already be in the Genjutsu. Unless Gokou somehow gets to attack before Itachi knows they are fighting.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Personally, I'd love to see what would happen if he tried that on a telepath. Like someone like Mr. Sinister or Apocalypse. I bet they'd turn the tsukiyomi back on him in a flash. But Gokou isn't a telepath so he's screwed with it. I never knew Sinister was a telepath. Nor Apocalypse

Argh. Genjutsu will not work on anyone who does not have a circulatory chakra system like in Naruto as it relies on disrupting and controlling the chakra flow to ones brain to manipulate the person, it really should not work on anyone who does not use chakra.

When does it say that it manipulates chakra to work? The person uses chakra to cause illusions but I've never heard it said that you need chakra for it to work.

Its explained a few times, once by Jirayai to Naruto on a flashback to there training and another time in the manga where Kakashi explains genjutsu. Im sure Kurenai says the same thing during one of the filler episodes.

So that would mean that all the villagers in Naruto that aren't ninja would be unaffected by genjutsu. Weren't there normal people from the village watching the Chunin exams when they were all put to sleep with a genjutsu?

Im not sure but I think every single person in the Naruto world has a chakra system however not everyone is capable of performing ninjutsu and not every one has to be a ninja lol.

Originally posted by Kento
Except that before Gokou could do anything he'd already be in the Genjutsu. Unless Gokou somehow gets to attack before Itachi knows they are fighting. Let me ask you this, how could Itachi even kill Goku? With a kunai? Hell no. I'll bet you Amaterasu will barely hurt him. Oh, and usually in vs. forums when the fight starts they both know eachother is fighting. It's stupid to allow one character to get an attack in before the other one knows they are fighting.

But then Chakra would be like energy inside them. There is no difference between Chakra and Ki though just different names. They use it to do their attacks and if they get low they can't do those attacks. So if it is only Chakra based why wouldn't it work on anybody seeing as how Chakra is just another name for the energy inside somebody.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Let me ask you this, how could Itachi even kill Goku? With a kunai? Hell no. I'll bet you Amaterasu will barely hurt him. Oh, and usually in vs. forums when the fight starts they both know eachother is fighting. It's stupid to allow one character to get an attack in before the other one knows they are fighting.

How would he kill him? The genjutsu is real to the mind. Kill him in the mind he'll die. And Gokou isn't going to survive something that burns hotter than the sun. Also Itachi only resorts to using his Sharigan so if they knew they were fighting the first thing Itachi would do was put Gokou in the Sharigan. After that Gokou would be defenseless. If the genjutsu isn't enough to kill him it'll hurt him alot and Itachi has plenty of fire moves to use that would hurt Gokou. Gokou isn't fireproof. If his clan's jutsu of fire doesn't work then there is still Amaterasu that will no doubt kill him.

besides itachi, everyone else taking on a dbz fighter will die

Originally posted by Kento
But then Chakra would be like energy inside them. There is no difference between Chakra and Ki though just different names. They use it to do their attacks and if they get low they can't do those attacks. So if it is only Chakra based why wouldn't it work on anybody seeing as how Chakra is just another name for the energy inside somebody. Thats the thing though, there is a difference. Nothing about ki is ever explained in dbz except the fact that they can shoot big blasts using it and power up etc. Genjutsu relies on disrupting the chakra flow to the brain and they are then able to manipulate what that person can see, feel etc. Its all explained a few times in the manga and once in a filler, the one with kurenai and that little girl who paints things that come to life. Genjutsu will not work on people outside the naruto world unless they have a chakra system. Also if you dont understand what a chakra system is its like veins but instead these things carry chakra round a persons body, Neji can see it and hit all tenketsu things to stop the flow of the chakra, the inner gates of kaimen control the amount of chakra that flows round a persons body.

Originally posted by Kento
But then Chakra would be like energy inside them. There is no difference between Chakra and Ki though just different names. They use it to do their attacks and if they get low they can't do those attacks. So if it is only Chakra based why wouldn't it work on anybody seeing as how Chakra is just another name for the energy inside somebody. Okay le me explain how vs. threads work, it's like they both know they are about to fight and a little bell goes off or sumthin, yeah that works. Goku in this instant would punch him before he could activate the Sharingan or use it and kill him, DBZ characters are a great deal faster. DBZ characters take planet destroying blasts, is Amaterasu a planet destroying blast? Hell no.

No dbz character has ever taken a planet destroying blast and lived, Goku was killed when cell blew himself up for instance, they had to I.T when buu blew up earth etc. Goku has been burned by fire twice and Amaterasu burns pretty hot. Itachi forms seals with out anyone seeing them. There is no clear indication of dbz fighters speed, the only thing that was ever given a numerical figure was I.T. For all we know they could max out at a few times the speed of sound. But then again Sharingan really should not work on anyone outside Naruto, it relies on chakra to predict a persons movements...

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Okay le me explain how vs. threads work, it's like they both know they are about to fight and a little bell goes off or sumthin, yeah that works. Goku in this instant would punch him before he could activate the Sharingan or use it and kill him, DBZ characters are a great deal faster. DBZ characters take planet destroying blasts, is Amaterasu a planet destroying blast? Hell no.

How qould Gokou punch him before the Sharigan could activate? Sharigan is instant. As soon as Gokou looked at him to attack he'd be caught in it. And Amaterasu would burn the flesh while their blast doesn't. At least not to the same effect anyways. Gokou is affected by cold and heat.


Originally posted by Magee
Thats the thing though, there is a difference. Nothing about ki is ever explained in dbz except the fact that they can shoot big blasts using it and power up etc. Genjutsu relies on disrupting the chakra flow to the brain and they are then able to manipulate what that person can see, feel etc. Its all explained a few times in the manga and once in a filler, the one with kurenai and that little girl who paints things that come to life. Genjutsu will not work on people outside the naruto world unless they have a chakra system. Also if you dont understand what a chakra system is its like veins but instead these things carry chakra round a persons body, Neji can see it and hit all tenketsu things to stop the flow of the chakra, the inner gates of kaimen control the amount of chakra that flows round a persons body.

It is said that it's a force from within that everybody has. It never shows what it looks like because nobody can see into bodies in DBZ. Chakra is just shown to be flowing and explained more also. I've always just assumed that chakra was just another way of explained Ki be it like DBZ or Street Fighter or Fatal Fury. *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong but that's just what I've always thought of it.

Okay, Goku ITs to Itachi and kills him, IT is instant, just like the Sharingan, and don't bring up that "he has to touch his forehead" argument, he only does that if the place he needs to go isn't in sight. Also, Frieza, severely weakened, had only one arm and was cut in half, survived Namek's explosion, so yes, they have more resistance than a planet, King Cold even says "My son is not as easily destroyed as a planet." As for DBZ characters actual speed, they fly across the world to fight whoever in a few minutes, and that's not even their top speed as they are trying to conserve energy. You know how some Naruto characters move so fast that they can't even be seen? Master Roshi could do that in his fight with Krillin in Dragonball. Hell, they could leave after images in DB.

Why would I say he has to touch his forehead? Also speed really has nothing to do with it. IT while instant in travel isn't instant in doing. He has to lock onto a ki source. If I assume Chakra and Ki are the same then he could lock onto Itachi though from anywhere. It would all matter what is faster. Gokou getting the place he needs to It to or Itachi looking into his eyes. I'd go with Itachi's being the faster to do. Gokou looking at him, goes to IT behind him and he's already caught in a genjutsu.

Course if I'm wrong and Sharigan won't work on Gokou because chakra just isn't another name for energy inside of stuff then Gokou would probably win easily.

As for surviving planet explosions.... Gokou is still affected by the cold and heat, and hurt by blasts that aren't nearly enough to destroy the planet yet somehow he's suppose to be able to survive a planet being destroyed? It makes no sense at all.

DBZ speed is for a whole different debate that I'm not in the mood to get into when it has nothing to do with this.

Originally posted by Kento
Why would I say he has to touch his forehead? Also speed really has nothing to do with it. IT while instant in travel isn't instant in doing. He has to lock onto a ki source. If I assume Chakra and Ki are the same then he could lock onto Itachi though from anywhere. It would all matter what is faster. Gokou getting the place he needs to It to or Itachi looking into his eyes. I'd go with Itachi's being the faster to do. Gokou looking at him, goes to IT behind him and he's already caught in a genjutsu.

Course if I'm wrong and Sharigan won't work on Gokou because chakra just isn't another name for energy inside of stuff then Gokou would probably win easily.

As for surviving planet explosions.... Gokou is still affected by the cold and heat, and hurt by blasts that aren't nearly enough to destroy the planet yet somehow he's suppose to be able to survive a planet being destroyed? It makes no sense at all.

DBZ speed is for a whole different debate that I'm not in the mood to get into when it has nothing to do with this. Since Itachi is right in front of him he would not need to lock onto his Ki, he's right there. And when was Goku affected by the cold and heat? If Frieza can survive a planet explosion it's only logical that Goku can.

Trust me chakra is quite well explained all through out the series, its completely different from ki in dbz and the only thing similar between them is that the end product of both is energy projection. Ki as far as i remember just comes from with in a persons body with no official explanation of how.

Like I said I just assumed Naruto went into more depth about the whole energy control then other animes. Gohan explains to Videl that everybody has ki and it's inside everything. Both Ki and Chakra can only be used to what you're limit is also. And shouldn't genjutsu not work on Lee if it affects Chakra?

I say Tsunade

dante cuts himself and makes tsunade faint

Originally posted by judgement hand
dante cuts himself and makes tsunade faint

She got over her heomophobia (spelling) when she fought Orochimaru to protect naruto.


EDIT, only just seen this:



It would affect lee exactly the same as anyone else, Lee has chakra, but he simply cannot mould, control or release it. Unless he tries opening one of the gates. Even with thta, he cant controll it.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Since Itachi is right in front of him he would not need to lock onto his Ki, he's right there. And when was Goku affected by the cold and heat? If Frieza can survive a planet explosion it's only logical that Goku can. I posted this and it won't go ignored!

Frieza can breathe in space its only logical Goku can, wait...

Originally posted by Magee
Frieza can breathe in space its only logical Goku can, wait... That's different, Frieza is able to breathe in space because of his biology, whereas Goku cannot. Goku has even greater durability than Frieza so he would survive the same thing(when I say survive I mean his body would not be dead by the blast, if he stayed in space he would die without air but he could just IT to the closest planet to fix that little problem).

Frieza was blown to pieces he only survived due to being found and put back together. Goku has never survived a planet explosion so why is it only logical he can?

Originally posted by Magee
Frieza was blown to pieces he only survived due to being found and put back together. Goku has never survived a planet explosion so why is it only logical he can? You forget that Frieza was already blown in half and was about to die then Goku gave him enough energy to escape and live, but tried to kill Goku, so Goku blasted him, and then the planet blew up, AND HE SURVIVED! Goku at the end of DBZ was AT LEAST 10 times stronger than Frieza so it's only logic that he would survive.

Using logic the show it self does not even use is kind of redundant.

Originally posted by Magee
Using logic the show it self does not even use is kind of redundant. When you say Goku has never survived planet destroying blasts what about the Kamehameha? It was stated that Cell's Kamehameha would of destroyed the solar system if he wasn't stopped by Gohan. Not that it matters since in a fight with Itachi Goku's durability won't play a factor in this fight.

Any one from naruto would die fighting Goku, the kyubi might stand a chance but we don't know how powerful he really is.

quite a few delusions around here. lets start with the dante bashing{and im not even gonna try n reply to boobsmage's humurously silly posts}

dante's appearance in shin megaten is probably cannon. ive explained this before. hes essential to the plot. everything in amallah. plus the devil may cry team was part of the shin megaten nocturne team. it all checks out.

and even if we dont consider those appearances. in dmc itself. hes taken on world destroying/dimension shattering{mundus} and universe destroying beings/abstracts{despair embodied} its not even a fight between him and the kyuubi let alone tsunade. as for his speed feats, i gave quit a long post while back which easily explains to any1 sensible that dante is verifyably godlike. no1 in naruto can match up.

next comes genjutsu. magee your obsessed with ONE explanation of genjutsu there are a total of three major ones given at different time in the series.

1. genjutsu acts on the person's five senses hearing, smell, taste, touch. by manipulating them a person can be deluded. out of this, sound is the hardest to predict as it has already hit completely by the time you recognise it.{given by shikamaru when fighting curse mark 2 sound kunoichi who used a FLUTE to cast genjutsu. he was explaining to temari. and from the situation and talk it can clearly be seen that chakra circulation targetting is not included in this explanation. }

2. genjutsu{tsukiyomi} acts on the person's soul. its an illusion covered in layers of PAIN. your SOUL does not know the difference between real and illusion. that is why it feals the complete pain.{said to kakashi by itachi in konoh, the first time he used tsukiyomi on him. it can easily be seen from this that tsukiyomi works directly on the SOUL, protected by layers of PAIN,and doesnt require the targetting of the chakra circulatory system. it can also be verified form the fact that kakashi was ACTUALLY sick /bedridden for weaks after it which cant happen just by an illusion or chakra system manipulation. furthermore, we can see that the soul explanation is correct because when naruto tried to shut down his chakra to the head as trained, he still cant snap out of itachi clones even NORMAL genjutsu. furthermore, tsukiyomi proves that it doesnt need to be your senses that are fealing it as itachi has cast illusions on people with eyes shut and countering shaaringan}

3. genjustu works by attacking the person's chakra circulatory system. it can be countered by controlling and stopping your chakra flow.{given by jiraya when naruto was training with him in time skip to learn to counter genjutsu styled opponents}

we can see form this that infact there are THREE ways. each different from he other, by which genjutsu can be cast.

now, goku not have taken a planet destroing blast. actually, frieza shot back PRE SUPER SAYIN vegeta's planet destroying{namek} blast back in space with a SINGLE KICK. he was not even at 10% normal power back then. and even normal goku fought him evenly, before creating an energy blast which could have easily destroyed a planet if he didnt carerfully aim. this didnt even harm frieza. who went on to 100% power and fought goku{creating his own planet destroying blast in the proces which destroyed namek in 10 minutes} goku went on to become super sayin and easily dealt with frieza and clearly stated "even if you can destroy a planet, you cant defeat me". later on earth, trunks in his super sayin, easily held, with one hand, a blast by frieza, 20 times more powerful than his namek destroying one and neutrralised it andcut frieza into pieces. the same trunks was not even a match for the incoming goku who evaded every blow of his single handedly. later cell, in his cmplete version was far far FAR more powerful than any of the metioned characters, and yet super sayin 2 gohan TOYED with the being who could destroy the entire solar system. i cud go on and on with the gt feats or droids ones of super sayin 4s gogeto, mystic gohan, majin bu, brolly etc etc. in the end theres no ground to the claim that goku cant take a planet destroying blast, he takes them more than he takes punches. and reguardless of amaterasu being hotter than any star core, i doubt if goku would be defeated by it.

next, goku cant sense an incoming attack/counter genjutsu. actually if you remember, using ki, all dragon ball characters can sense the universe/events/incoming attacks/movement etc. this was shown by vegeta first in his fight against frieza when gohan/piccalo and the other cudnt see frieza's movement as it was far too fast for human comprehansion and light to keep up while vegeta easily saw it using his ki sense. they use it all the time, to sense when vessals are approaching etc. its elaborate, and if you dont know about it, uve never seen dragon ball.

lastly, goku not moving fast enough. goku can move at near lightspeed and extrapulantly, beyond it, in battle. hes shown it in his galactic battles. if you dont wanna accept that then, there is the move he learnt from the aliens which lets him instantly teleport which he first showed off by stealing his teacher's glasses and reappearing back simultaneously from the other side of the globe.

end, NO1 from naruto, not even the kyuubi can even hope to fight goku. hes right up there with other anime characters from, slayer, bastard, saint seiya, tenchi etc. its not reasonable to pit him against naruto characters{although i love the later far more}.

anyway, this isnt goku or itachi vs thread. dante vs tsunade. tsunade pees herself to death. dante wins.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now, goku not have taken a planet destroing blast. actually, frieza shot back PRE SUPER SAYIN vegeta's planet destroying{namek} blast back in space with a SINGLE KICK. he was not even at 10% normal power back then. and even normal goku fought him evenly, before creating an energy blast which could have easily destroyed a planet if he didnt carerfully aim. this didnt even harm frieza. who went on to 100% power and fought goku{creating his own planet destroying blast in the proces which destroyed namek in 10 minutes} goku went on to become super sayin and easily dealt with frieza and clearly stated "even if you can destroy a planet, you cant defeat me". later on earth, trunks in his super sayin, easily held, with one hand, a blast by frieza, 20 times more powerful than his namek destroying one and neutrralised it andcut frieza into pieces. the same trunks was not even a match for the incoming goku who evaded every blow of his single handedly. later cell, in his cmplete version was far far FAR more powerful than any of the metioned characters, and yet super sayin 2 gohan TOYED with the being who could destroy the entire solar system. i cud go on and on with the gt feats or droids ones of super sayin 4s gogeto, mystic gohan, majin bu, brolly etc etc. in the end theres no ground to the claim that goku cant take a planet destroying blast, he takes them more than he takes punches. and reguardless of amaterasu being hotter than any star core, i doubt if goku would be defeated by it.

next, goku cant sense an incoming attack/counter genjutsu. actually if you remember, using ki, all dragon ball characters can sense the universe/events/incoming attacks/movement etc. this was shown by vegeta first in his fight against frieza when gohan/piccalo and the other cudnt see frieza's movement as it was far too fast for human comprehansion and light to keep up while vegeta easily saw it using his ki sense. they use it all the time, to sense when vessals are approaching etc. its elaborate, and if you dont know about it, uve never seen dragon ball.

lastly, goku not moving fast enough. goku can move at near lightspeed and extrapulantly, beyond it, in battle. hes shown it in his galactic battles. if you dont wanna accept that then, there is the move he learnt from the aliens which lets him instantly teleport which he first showed off by stealing his teacher's glasses and reappearing back simultaneously from the other side of the globe.

end, NO1 from naruto, not even the kyuubi can even hope to fight goku. hes right up there with other anime characters from, slayer, bastard, saint seiya, tenchi etc. its not reasonable to pit him against naruto characters{although i love the later far more}.

anyway, this isnt goku or itachi vs thread. dante vs tsunade. tsunade pees herself to death. dante wins. Everything DBZ related you said was 100% true.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Everything DBZ related you said was 100% true.

lol. tell that to the idiots on the superman forum who claim that normal superman can take out every dragon ball gt character simultenously 10/10 in a matter of seconds.

When was it ever said that Superman can take everybody in DBGT at once? Besides the first post in the Superman forum and a bunch of idiotic posts. It was said by a few people actually supporting Superman that all at once against Superman he'd loose. But he isn't loosing one on one.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
When you say Goku has never survived planet destroying blasts what about the Kamehameha? It was stated that Cell's Kamehameha would of destroyed the solar system if he wasn't stopped by Gohan. Not that it matters since in a fight with Itachi Goku's durability won't play a factor in this fight.

And the whole Solar Sytem destroying junk was all hyperbole or everything would be gone. If Cell could then Gohan would have had to stop his blast that beat Cell's blast but he lets it fly out into space. Majin Vegeta releases all of his energy at once when he tries to destroy Buu yet he only makes a large crater. DBZ is full of inconsitancies and hyperbole that is never proven only said.


Originally posted by leonheartmm
dante's appearance in shin megaten is probably cannon. ive explained this before. hes essential to the plot. everything in amallah. plus the devil may cry team was part of the shin megaten nocturne team. it all checks out.

Except it doesn't all check out. You think it's canon simply because the DMC team was on it. That doesn't mean anything except they can use their own character without having to get rights to it. Shin Megami Tensei feats aren't canon to Dante from Devil May Cry and neither are canon to Anime Dante.


Originally posted by leonheartmm

frieza who went on to 100% power and fought goku{creating his own planet destroying blast in the proces which destroyed namek in 10 minutes} goku went on to become super sayin and easily dealt with frieza and clearly stated "even if you can destroy a planet, you cant defeat me". Yet Freeza didn't destroy the planet outright. Sure he made a planet destroying attack..yet it disrupted the core and made the planet destroy itself. That's really a pointless thing to put when he doesn't destroy it outright.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

later on earth, trunks in his super sayin, easily held, with one hand, a blast by frieza, 20 times more powerful than his namek destroying one and neutrralised it andcut frieza into pieces. the same trunks was not even a match for the incoming goku who evaded every blow of his single handedly. later cell, in his cmplete version was far far FAR more powerful than any of the metioned characters, and yet super sayin 2 gohan TOYED with the being who could destroy the entire solar system. 20 times stronger? When does it say Freeza was 20 times stronger when he came back? Also Gokou didn't evade Trunks' blows he blocked Trunks' sword attacks with his finger which is a cool thing in itself. Also Cell said he could destroy the Solar System when he was blowing himself up....The keyword is 'said'. Also Gohan toyed with the Cell before he died he didn't toy with Cell the second round.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

theres no ground to the claim that goku cant take a planet destroying blast, he takes them more than he takes punches. and reguardless of amaterasu being hotter than any star core, i doubt if goku would be defeated by it. Gokou doesn't take planet destroying blasts...Most of the blast that hit aren't that powerful of blasts yet they hurt him and he's hurt by punches that are no where near the physical power to destroy a planet. If Amaterasu can burn hotter than the sun, or just burn extremely hot he's not going to survive it. It's not like a ki blast which is something he can block and has burnt him before. It's fire that would engulf him and burn him alive.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
next, goku cant sense an incoming attack/counter genjutsu. actually if you remember, using ki, all dragon ball characters can sense the universe/events/incoming attacks/movement etc. this was shown by vegeta first in his fight against frieza when gohan/piccalo and the other cudnt see frieza's movement as it was far too fast for human comprehansion and light to keep up while vegeta easily saw it using his ki sense. they use it all the time, to sense when vessals are approaching etc. its elaborate, and if you dont know about it, uve never seen dragon ball. They sense the ki that the person is gathering when they sense attacks coming, and they sense the ki of the person arriving to know somebody is approaching. Large amounts of ki needs to be gathered to do bigger blasts while.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lthere is the move he learnt from the aliens which lets him instantly teleport which he first showed off by stealing his teacher's glasses and reappearing back simultaneously from the other side of the globe.

end, NO1 from naruto, not even the kyuubi can even hope to fight goku. IT is teleporting...not he actual speed so it really has nothing to do with it. He can IT anywhere he wants but if somebody is still faster than his normal speed they're going to be able to dodge him. And..I never said anybody in Naruto could fight Gokou..Itachi just has a chance to win but it wouldn't be a fight. Kakashi would also if he could do his Mangekyo Sharigan technique as fast as looking at somebody but Itachi's Sharigan, any form, traps them in a genjutsu as soon as their eyes meet. Gokou may be the faster fighter but he's not moving faster than what the Sharigan can trap him assuming it would work.

Frieza kicked a planet busting blast from Vegeta, and Cell said he would destroy the solar system he never said in one shot.

IT is instant, so is Sharingan, so right when Itachi turned it on Goku would be behind him and kill him with a punch. Goku's Kamehameha would have destroyed the earth when fighting Cell but he ITed so it wouldn't and instead blew Cell in half. Oh and whether or not Frieza's Death Ball while fighting Trunks was 20 times stronger or not doesn't matter it was a planet destroying blast and Trunks easily stopped it with one hand.

Freeza's blast wouldn't have destroyed it outright though. Earth would have been destroyed sure but the same way Namek was. Yes IT is instant.. But Sharigan would activate as Gokou IT's trapping him in a genjutsu before he fully teleports and when he merges where Itachi should be it wouldn't matter he'd be in an illusion.

Gokou looks at Itachi, teleports to where behind Itachi is, nothing is there but is surrounded by multiple Itachi's he thinks Itachi is moving fast or something while Itachi is standing in the same place he's always been and as Gokou's trying to hit an illusion of Itachi he's burnt to cinders by one of the Uchiha's fire style jutsu's or Amaterasu. Or Gokou goes to IT and as he appears in a different place he's suddenly being tortured for what feels like days in just seconds.

That's just what I seen happening.

One punch and Goku wins.

Originally posted by Kento
Freeza's blast wouldn't have destroyed it outright though. Earth would have been destroyed sure but the same way Namek was. Yes IT is instant.. But Sharigan would activate as Gokou IT's trapping him in a genjutsu before he fully teleports and when he merges where Itachi should be it wouldn't matter he'd be in an illusion.

Gokou looks at Itachi, teleports to where behind Itachi is, nothing is there but is surrounded by multiple Itachi's he thinks Itachi is moving fast or something while Itachi is standing in the same place he's always been and as Gokou's trying to hit an illusion of Itachi he's burnt to cinders by one of the Uchiha's fire style jutsu's or Amaterasu. Or Gokou goes to IT and as he appears in a different place he's suddenly being tortured for what feels like days in just seconds.

That's just what I seen happening. First of all, Frieza stated that if he had fired the blast on Namek at full power it wouldn't take so long to be destroyed, when he threw his Death Ball at Trunks he was at full power as shown by the sheer size of the ball, and Trunks quite easily stopped it with one hand like it was weightless. IT is instant, and when I say instant, it means that's how long it takes to get to his destination, behind Itachi. Also, an alternative is, he just closes his eyes, as Itachi would need to look in them to use Sharingan, and don't say then Goku can't see because when Goku fights he doesn't use his eyes to see enemies movements, he tracks their Ki.

sigh. when did this become the itachi vs goku thread?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
First of all, Frieza stated that if he had fired the blast on Namek at full power it wouldn't take so long to be destroyed, when he threw his Death Ball at Trunks he was at full power as shown by the sheer size of the ball, and Trunks quite easily stopped it with one hand like it was weightless. IT is instant, and when I say instant, it means that's how long it takes to get to his destination, behind Itachi. Also, an alternative is, he just closes his eyes, as Itachi would need to look in them to use Sharingan, and don't say then Goku can't see because when Goku fights he doesn't use his eyes to see enemies movements, he tracks their Ki. Cell also stated that him blowing himself up would destroy the solar system. Gokou's been stated to be the strongest in the world. It's not always true and its coming from Freeza...he's very egotistical nearly as much as Vegeta. And yea the alternative would work if Gokou always closed his eyes. Why do you think I said Itachi and not Kakashi or Sasuke. They have sharigans but I don't think they can win. Itachi's main thing is using illusions for torture and to win. Also yes IT is instant in travel. However using the move takes a few seconds longer than it takes to get places. That would be enough time to get caught in the Sharigan genjutsu.

But whatever lets just agree to disagree and let this thread get back to it's topic.

Okay but this topic is dead just so you know. Dante won.