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Greatest anime I've ever seen. It's even better than Dragonball Z & I find the action much more detailed as well as the story. I'm anxious to see what Aang does in the next season & what he'll do if & when he defeats Fire Lord Oozai. I also want to see him become an adult & have more adventures but it's unlikely.

I know that you know that avatar is not an anime, so why insist upon it?

Negro please, it's an anime in my eyes & if you're not going to contribute to a discussion, then don't post at all.

i dont think its an anime, but it does not make it any less awesome
it pwns allwoot

My sentiments exactly but I still consider it an anime. I'm anxious to see how powerful Oozai is.

well its one of the very few WESTERN/AMERICAN animes thats good{yes, it kinda is an anime, only an american one. even most anime magazines consider it one and one of the best}.

still nuthing on naruto and bleach.

simply out of curiosity, leon, would you put Big O, Afro Samurai,Teen Titans, and Code Lyoko in the same boat as Avatar?

well not really. afro samurai is a arker grittier manga type. its more inspired by dark western comics of vertigo/darkhorse etc than anything. avatar is more like america's answer to naruto/bleach n stuff. teen titans is a nice show, but it doesnt pass as an anime, theyr TRYING to make it look like it but the overblown expression just dont work too well with the english language{MAIN reason why its hard to have american ANIME}, the only reason i like it is cause of slade.

big o and code lyoko, i havent seen yet. but even when you have spparently authentic american anime/japanese anime like the animatrix, you see some stupid things{although subtle} like, the american producers are only interested in showing the things which AMERICANS typically think defines an anime, from the style of figure drawing, to the slowness of the scene, over the top fight and body physics and some almost still frames of shocked/saddened individual in which the screen is animated in a way as to IMPRESS upon the person the "power" of the emtion. not to mention, over the top expressions again, normally over tiny occurrances.

however it takes SO MUCH MORE, to create a good japanee anime/manga. and specially because avatar is NOT trying overly hard to simply COPY the stereotypical anime characteristics and is more organic. thats why i think it qualifies as a good american/anime.

That was a great opinion, I can only describe it as tasty. I can agree with you on all points. Thanks for the response.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
well not really. afro samurai is a arker grittier manga type. its more inspired by dark western comics of vertigo/darkhorse etc than anything. avatar is more like america's answer to naruto/bleach n stuff. teen titans is a nice show, but it doesnt pass as an anime, theyr TRYING to make it look like it but the overblown expression just dont work too well with the english language{MAIN reason why its hard to have american ANIME}, the only reason i like it is cause of slade.

big o and code lyoko, i havent seen yet. but even when you have spparently authentic american anime/japanese anime like the animatrix, you see some stupid things{although subtle} like, the american producers are only interested in showing the things which AMERICANS typically think defines an anime, from the style of figure drawing, to the slowness of the scene, over the top fight and body physics and some almost still frames of shocked/saddened individual in which the screen is animated in a way as to IMPRESS upon the person the "power" of the emtion. not to mention, over the top expressions again, normally over tiny occurrances.

however it takes SO MUCH MORE, to create a good japanee anime/manga. and specially because avatar is NOT trying overly hard to simply COPY the stereotypical anime characteristics and is more organic. thats why i think it qualifies as a good american/anime.
so right

I like Avatar loads more than Naruto.

i like naruto more, mostly cuz the fact that theyve been conistent and showing it every week

avatar hasnt showed new episodes in like what, months?

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
I'm anxious to see how powerful Oozai is. Weaker than Iroh. Which is not really a bad thing, you don't f*ck wit Iroh.

who teh fuk is oozai?
i totally forgot who he is

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Negro please, it's an anime in my eyes & if you're not going to contribute to a discussion, then don't post at all. It doesn't matter what you consider it to be. It is what it is and what this is is me reporting you once again.

Not to mention this is a DUPLICATE THREAD.

Originally posted by Hidden Lotus
i dont think its an anime, but it does not make it any less awesome
it pwns allwoot
You know better than to contribute to this mess. I'm disappointed.

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

It doesn't matter if you report it or not you loser, nothing will happen. All you're doing is reporting threads I make to get on my nerves.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Weaker than Iroh. Which is not really a bad thing, you don't f*ck wit Iroh.

When was it ever stated or shown that Oozai is weaker than Iroh? I'm serious, I've never heard that Iroh was stronger since we've never truly seen Oozai in action.

Originally posted by Hidden Lotus
who teh fuk is oozai?
i totally forgot who he is

Oozai is Azula's father & Prince Zuko's father which makes him the KING of the Fire Nation.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
It doesn't matter if you report it or not you loser, nothing will happen. All you're doing is reporting threads I make to get on my nerves. Oh something is going to happen alright and for anyone who needs it, such as any Mods.....here is the link to the ORIGINAL THREAD that's in the CORRECT SECTION: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f36/t329735.html

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Oozai is Azula's father & Prince Zuko's father which makes him the KING of the Fire Nation. oh
i never call him that
hes just the fire lord
thats it

Well, it's all pretty much the same, just with different names.

Favorite character thus far? For me, it's between Aang & Toph.

The Avatar is a good show but it doesn't beat Naruto, Bleach, InuYasha, and Fullmetal Alchemist! I think it was made mostly for making small children laugh...while other animes (you know the ones with the age limit) are the really good ones.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
When was it ever stated or shown that Oozai is weaker than Iroh? I'm serious, I've never heard that Iroh was stronger since we've never truly seen Oozai in action. Well I wasn't really fully serious but it's likely, Iroh is Ozai's older brother, he has more experience, and was a revered general.

My fave character was Zuko, but then he had that whole crying in the rain scene...

Not every badass character doesn't have emotions. How would you feel if you were in his shoes?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Well I wasn't really fully serious but it's likely, Iroh is Ozai's older brother, he has more experience, and was a revered general.

Age isn't really saying anything & as for experience, as far as we know, Oozai has perfect lightning abilities as well as many other powers. I seriously doubt Iroh is stronger than Oozai.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
well its one of the very few WESTERN/AMERICAN animes thats good{yes, it kinda is an anime, only an american one. even most anime magazines consider it one and one of the best}.

still nuthing on naruto and bleach. Umm, yeah, PARADOX. There is no "American anime." Anime is Japanese animation. It doesn't matter what you people think when it's universal knowledge that a cartoon created by Nickelodeon is not anime.

Further, it's Ozai. Not Oozai.

Back on topic, I love this show and can't wait for September 21st.

Originally posted by whitewolfgurl
The Avatar is a good show but it doesn't beat Naruto, Bleach, InuYasha, and Fullmetal Alchemist! I think it was made mostly for making small children laugh...while other animes (you know the ones with the age limit) are the really good ones. Let me guess: you actually haven't seen an episode of Avatar. Yeah, "to make small children laugh" my ass. What an ignorant thing to say.

It doesn't matter how it's spelled & I don't believe that an anime has to be made in Japanese to be an actual anime. But I do agree that this show wasn't made to make children laugh as it probably has things in it some children don't even understand.

Let me guess: you actually haven't seen an episode of Avatar. Yeah, "to make small children laugh" my ass. What an ignorant thing to say.

I have so seen the show!!! I'm talking about at the beginnings when Ang first appears and acts all goofy. But now it's not like that so much. Yeah it's getting more detailed so to speak and more interesting...far more than some kids can understand yeah. I meant no offense...

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Age isn't really saying anything & as for experience, as far as we know, Oozai has perfect lightning abilities as well as many other powers. I seriously doubt Iroh is stronger than Oozai. Iroh can manipulate lightning and can redirect it, which is a technique entirely of his creation so Ozai can't know it. Iroh fought to get past the walls of Ba Sing Se for at least a year and only pulled out because of the death of his son.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
It doesn't matter how it's spelled & I don't believe that an anime has to be made in Japanese to be an actual anime. What do you mean it doesn't matter how it's spelled? If I spelled Ozai as Fgdsg would you understand me? Further, Japanese is the language of Japan, not the country.

And sorry to break it to you but anime is universally defined as Japanese animation. I'm quite perplexed at how you continually insist that Avatar is one. Anime is not an adjective you can use on your every whim.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Iroh can manipulate lightning and can redirect it, which is a technique entirely of his creation so Ozai can't know it. Iroh fought to get past the walls of Ba Sing Se for at least a year and only pulled out because of the death of his son. I agree. Even if we were to assume that Ozai has perfect lighting abilities (which hasn't been seen yet on the show), they would be of no use to Iroh.

Ultimately, we can only speculate thus far.

Oh please, it doesn't matter if it's spelled Oozai or Ozai so get over yourself. Also, I consider it an anime, you don't, too bad.

As for Iroh & Ozai, since Iroh isn't the Firelord that's what leads me to believe Ozai is stronger & is a bigger threat. And when was it said that Iroh created the lighting technique? And since Azula has it, of course Ozai has it as well. Ozai>Iroh>Azula>Zuko

Originally posted by whitewolfgurl
Let me guess: you actually haven't seen an episode of Avatar. Yeah, "to make small children laugh" my ass. What an ignorant thing to say.

I have so seen the show!!! I'm talking about at the beginnings when Ang first appears and acts all goofy. But now it's not like that so much. Yeah it's getting more detailed so to speak and more interesting...far more than some kids can understand yeah. I meant no offense...

Still, the show was never aimed to make young children laugh, that's still a ridiculous comment. And what show are you watching? The show has always had some comedic areas, even since the beginning but there are also some serious parts that children don't understand or scientific explanations that occur in the show that children aren't old enough to understand.

For starters, Avatar is not an anime.

Second, a thread already exists in the proper forum.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=329735

I know you don't agree along with some people but I see this as an anime. If anything, can you just move the thread instead of closing it?

I know it wasn't made JUST for kids!!! AHHHH!!! SO DIFFICULT!!! Fine I will drop the subject!disgust

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
As for Iroh & Ozai, since Iroh isn't the Firelord that's what leads me to believe Ozai is stronger & is a bigger threat. And when was it said that Iroh created the lighting technique? And since Azula has it, of course Ozai has it as well. Ozai>Iroh>Azula>Zuko No, he didn't make the lightning creation technique, he made a technique to redirect it, he can absorb it in one hand and shoot it back at the attacker with his other hand. Also, Zuko and Azula are now dead even IMO, she used to be stronger but now it's far closer. Ozai is only the Fire Lord because he cheated his way into the position, don't know how yet but it's assumed he killed his father and wrote a fake will, Iroh was supposed to be Fire Lord.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
Oh please, it doesn't matter if it's spelled Oozai or Ozai so get over yourself. Also, I consider it an anime, you don't, too bad.The world doesn't revolve around you. Facts aren't suspended in limbo awaiting your approval. You get over yourself, thanks.

Iroh was supposed to be Firelord. Azulon wanted him to be. He was killed, however, and Ozai usurped it. Iroh was too distraught with his son's death to give a damn.

The lightning redirecting technique was indeed created by Iroh. He invented it by studying the waterbending art.


Azula is a prodigy. So what if she knows lightning, we don't know if Ozai knows it as well; we will never know until Season 3 is shown. For all we know, Ozai is as weak as a peasant.

P.S. - I love how you stop spelling his name incorrectly after saying it doesn't matter. Nice.

Originally posted by Zhao
The world doesn't revolve around you. Facts aren't suspended in limbo awaiting your approval. You get over yourself, thanks.

Iroh was supposed to be Firelord. Azulon wanted him to be. He was killed, however, and Ozai usurped it. Iroh was too distraught with his son's death to give a damn.

The lightning redirecting technique was indeed created by Iroh. He invented it by studying the waterbending art.


Azula is a prodigy. So what if she knows lightning, we don't know if Ozai knows it as well; we will never know until Season 3 is shown. For all we know, Ozai is as weak as a peasant.

P.S. - I love how you stop spelling his name incorrectly after saying it doesn't matter. Nice.

I never said the world revolves around me because it doesn't. The sooner you realize that it doesn't matter who considers it an anime & who doesn't, the sooner you'll get over yourself.

Yeah, I forgot about all of that as I haven't seen some of the episodes in a long while. And yeah, Iroh took the death of his son pretty bad, even I felt like crying during that episode where he was remembering what happened to his son.

I doubt Oozai is truly weak but if Iroh is stronger than him, Oozai shouldn't be far behind. For all we know, even though Aang has basically mastered all of the four elements, he could still have trouble with Oozai everything that has been said will only be speculation until the season three premiere airs. But if Oozai is as weak as everyone protests & Zuko has been trained by Iroh who everyone claims to be stronger than Oozai, could that mean Zuko is stronger or close to being stronger than Oozai? I mean, he did defeat Admiral Zhao & has since trained.

It doesn't matter how I spell it, if there are more than one spelling for a name, I'll use a different spelling a lot of the time just like when I'm on other boards I'll say Oozai or Ozai in which it doesn't really matter which one is used because they are pronounced the same.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
I never said the world revolves around me because it doesn't. The sooner you realize that it doesn't matter who considers it an anime & who doesn't, the sooner you'll get over yourself.When almost everyone thus far has disagreed with you that Avatar is not an anime it would be wise to disregard your incorrect view and admit you're wrong. I'll repeat: It is a fact that anime refers to Japanese animation. It's not an adjective. Get over yourself. Avatar is an American cartoon. Shall I go ahead and draw pictures?

I've never said Ozai is weaker than Iroh or vice versa. What I'm trying to get across is that you can't claim that one is more powerful than the other (which you have done), because the final Season hasn't aired yet.

You are so right. There is more than one way to spell a word. Too bad that's not relevant in this case since it's established OZAI is spelled OZAI. Unless the creators have said you can spell it as Oozai, there is no variation of the name. Get over yourself. You spelled it wrong and won't admit it. Geesh.

AND they are not pronounced the same. Oozai is assuming you pronounce it as Ooze-ai. That's incorrect.

P.S- I love how you revert to spelling Ozai incorrectly. Nice.

Originally posted by Zhao
When almost everyone thus far has disagreed with you that Avatar is not an anime it would be wise to disregard your incorrect view and admit you're wrong. I'll repeat: It is a fact that anime refers to Japanese animation. It's not an adjective. Get over yourself. Avatar is an American cartoon. Shall I go ahead and draw pictures?

I've never said Ozai is weaker than Iroh or vice versa. What I'm trying to get across is that you can't claim that one is more powerful than the other (which you have done), because the final Season hasn't aired yet.

You are so right. There is more than one way to spell a word. Too bad that's not relevant in this case since it's established OZAI is spelled OZAI. Unless the creators have said you can spell it as Oozai, there is no variation of the name. Get over yourself. You spelled it wrong and won't admit it. Geesh.

AND they are not pronounced the same. Oozai is assuming you pronounce it as Ooze-ai. That's incorrect.

P.S- I love how you revert to spelling Ozai incorrectly. Nice.

I never said it was truly an anime, I said I think of it as an anime, there's a difference. Views & opinions are different, just because other people don't see it as an anime doesn't mean I shouldn't think of it as such.

At this time anyone is entitled to speculate & have opinions until the next season is shown on TV & I think Oozai is stronger than Iroh. That's my opinion, end of discussion.

The creators never said we couldn't spell it any way we want & I'll continue to spell it how I want. I didn't spell anything wrong anyway because many people on different boards spell it like I do. Grow the **** up.

And no one is spelling anything incorrectly, it's the same name so whether or not there are one or two o's, it doesn't matter.

Really even tho Avatar is an American cartoon, it comes so close to Anime that it really doesn't matter what the hell you call it, it's just good.

Originally posted by Zhao

AND they are not pronounced the same. Oozai is assuming you pronounce it as Ooze-ai. That's incorrect.


That's actually not true. It's a Japanese name, and thus "Oozai", "Ozai", and "Ouzai" could all be considered correct spellings and would all be pronounced the same way. It's a trend in romanizing Japanese names and words that have double vowels like that to just use a single one in its place.

Thank you, Lana, your wits & beauty knows no bounds.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Really even tho Avatar is an American cartoon, it comes so close to Anime that it really doesn't matter what the hell you call it, it's just good.

Yeah, I'm watching right now as we speak. It's so damn good that I can't stop watching it. I especially love the episodes with Avatar Roku even though he makes small cameos. Azula is a nice new addition to the series as well, I love her already.

So, was Iroh ever truly evil or did he just change after the death of his son?

I don't think Iroh was ever truely of evil nature like his brother the fire lord. He treats prince Zuko like his son now and I think that's sweet.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
I never said it was truly an anime, I said I think of it as an anime, there's a difference.In case it hasn't gone through your head yet, it doesn't matter if You think it's an anime or not. Every cartoon is either not anime or anime.

2+2 = 4. Should you use this same warped logic and say "Well, they think it's 4 so it MUST BE 3!"

Views and opinions are different. Facts are always the same.
Very well. To each his own.

REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? The first result in Google is your post. No one spells it like you do. If anyone does it's an error on their part. You grow the **** up and admit you're wrong.

It's not the same name! Get it through your head. OZAI is not OOZAI. Should I call Hulk Huuuullllkkkkk?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Really even tho Avatar is an American cartoon, it comes so close to Anime that it really doesn't matter what the hell you call it, it's just good. It matters to me when a misinformed individual continually insists he's right when he's not.

Originally posted by Lana
That's actually not true. It's a Japanese name, and thus "Oozai", "Ozai", and "Ouzai" could all be considered correct spellings and would all be pronounced the same way. It's a trend in romanizing Japanese names and words that have double vowels like that to just use a single one in its place. OZAI is still spelled OZAI. We might as well use every variation of Katara, Azula, Sokka, and Toph as right. I'm sorry but the name they gave him was Ozai. Whether or not it can be spelled differently in Japanese culture is not relevant.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
So, was Iroh ever truly evil or did he just change after the death of his son? It depends on what you call evil. He was given orders to take over Ba Sing Se so he put it under siege. He was always a Firebending General. I bet he killed a few people in his time.

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