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Who wins?

Full potential Raziel???

Sephiroth.

full potensial Raziel and he wins, with ease ill add

Raziel's from Nosgoth, of course he wins. 131fist

he sure does, but the reason is not because he is from Nosgoth, Slaugh are from Nosgoth and so are Sarafan knights but theyt could not defeat sephiroth

its because on a mere will he can go in, or out of Spectoral, when he goes Spectoral time ceases to excist in the material realm, Sephiroth to Raziels conception would simply freeze solid, then Raziel will just come out and become Material behind Sephiroth or above him, and kill him with a soul blast or soul reaver strike in the head, he could best Sephiroth at every turn, or he could focuse a fully powered reaver and materialise with it inside sephiroths head

Originally posted by Burning thought
or he could focuse a fully powered reaver and materialise with it inside sephiroths head lol

yeh, that would be quite funny, but not for sephiroth, altho hed prob give out a queer yelp as his energy is devoured

I don't know...I don't think destroying Sephiroth's tissue would be enough to subdue him. He was basically materialized almost instantly out of Jenova cells.

It just seems rather effortless for someone like him to regenerate like Chaos, but that's of course my speculation.

well Raziel would have to do it again and again, but since time basically stops when Raziel goes spectoral, Sephiroth wont be doing anything after being physically destroyed, so Raziel would sort of win anyway

either way, nothing will defeat and definaltey not kill Raziel, hes about as bad as kain for being killed

Oh forgot about that Spectral Thing, Raziel wins by being a cheapass. but he's cool like that.

hehe all nosgoth characters win by being a cheapass.......apprently, everything a Nosgoth character does has to be cheap, but Pyron punching a planet or Xemnas BFR someone to another dimension isnt cheap

Pyron punching a planet isn't cheap, it's cheating.

Too bad Raziel cant even do things like that in the game.

..what lol.......Terry what do you know? honestly now, what makes you say that? youve played Soul reaver 1 and 2? your saying he cannot change from spectoral to material? you have the soul reaver 2 manuel, Furion says he has Soul reaver 2, he knows, i may even scan the manuel and prove it to ya

Yah Raziel goes spectral, though he has to find one of those portals to go back.

Originally posted by Furion
Yah Raziel goes spectral, though he has to find one of those portals to go back.

thats gameplay, ill go find the SR 2 book and scan it in tomorrow, it says he can reform at will, the fonts are a gameplay object

When I bought the game, I didn't get the manual cause I got used games.

Originally posted by Burning thought
..what lol.......Terry what do you know? honestly now, what makes you say that? youve played Soul reaver 1 and 2? your saying he cannot change from spectoral to material? you have the soul reaver 2 manuel, Furion says he has Soul reaver 2, he knows, i may even scan the manuel and prove it to ya
"Raziel must be in the Spectral Realm to pass through gates"
I honestly dont know why ppl even believe the things u claim, its obviously just bias fanboy talk.

Isn't Kain stronger than Raziel?

If Seph can beat Kain(and he can), then he can beat Raziel.

And watching the videos about Kain in another thread, and reading Burning's comments about him, I have to agree with Terry. IMO you overrate Kain too much, Burning,

Originally posted by SHM
Isn't Kain stronger than Raziel?

If Seph can beat Kain(and he can), then he can beat Raziel.

And watching the videos about Kain in another thread, and reading Burning's comments about him, I have to agree with Terry. IMO you overrate Kain too much, Burning,

stronger? kain is far more powerful

no which Sephiroth cannot, another claim without anything, the love of Sephiroths fans win his battle for him, you have nothing on Raziel

you have not played the games at all and have incredible bias towards sephiroth in every thread you go into, you claim things but dont debate them, the same as you do in this one infact, ofc you agree with Terry, are you also Terry by any chance?

Originally posted by Terryc250
"Raziel must be in the Spectral Realm to pass through gates"
I honestly dont know why ppl even believe the things u claim, its obviously just bias fanboy talk.


when did i say otherwise, i admited in the other thread that he has to be in spectoral realm to pass through things....so.....

whats this to do with Raziel in this battle?


you have no right with your fan loving of Sephiroth to say that about me, nor do you SHM, your a couple of fanboys, infact are you the same person? both similiar amount of posts, i mean hell, i think Terry you prob got bored of that account and made SHM recently to try and give yourself the little backup you seem to need in your insecurity

when you have grounds to debate them, your void and weightless statements are not worthy and are not debating

Sephiroth can defeat Kain. Only reason Raziel can is Spectrel Dimension.
But like I said, why would Sephiroth want to fight Kain, they can both just go around killing people.

Originally posted by Furion
Sephiroth can defeat Kain. Only reason Raziel can is Spectrel Dimension.
But like I said, why would Sephiroth want to fight Kain, they can both just go around killing people.
how in any way can Sephrioth hope to defeat kain, come into the Sephiroth VS EG thread please, Sephiroth gets duched by EG, come into it and debate against me with SHM, Terry for Sephiroth, youll lose the debate however, youll have to pull a pretty good piece of evidence or power and proof of it for sephiroth to have a chance against kain, as we know, Kain can go into dimensions.....Spectoral is a dimension...he could do the same things as raziel and combine that with his time powers, Sephrioth is nothing

without his time powers, Kain can be defeated by Seph. Seph has uber reactions and it takes a moment for the dimension shift to go back to the norm. Seph would use that moment to retreat or strike at Kain. But i'll say it again, why would Seph want to fight Kain.

for the sake of the debate

Kain does have all his powers, he can shield himself and use time to destroy his enemies and dimension shift takes less than a second, likely far faster than sephrioth can mvoe to stop kain, and as if he can do anything to stop kain in that time, he has a split second to move and stop kain before kain is in another dimension

kain could shield himself while in another dimension and come back to the world with sephiroth in it invuelrable, Sephiroth kneels....

you know I've never seen this shield of his before.

Originally posted by Furion
you know I've never seen this shield of his before.


http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

its called repel

Ah so it's only a short time.

Originally posted by Furion
Ah so it's only a short time.

ah, but he doesnt have a singel cast...its not like hes reading it from a scroll, people read that and always say only for a short time, they never imagine he can cast it again, you think that he can only cast each spell only once?

but the moment it wears off, Seph appears and spears Kain into the Ground and then sets fire to the entire place.

kain reforms and impales seph, destroying his soul
raz beats seph through time stoppage via spectral realm
then bobbin threadbare comes in, takes off his hood and kills everyone instantly

How does Kain reform from nothing?

kain reforms from anything, his is completely and utterly immortal..anytime he gets destroyed he comes back

Well burning him to nothing still would count as a defeat in the usual KO rules.

kain would explode and reform before the burning had time to take effect....also, kain can use mist form to escape

ummmmmm how does mist escape a blazing inferno? Mist would turn to nothing.

It would go on forever. Because Raziel just keeps coming back from the spectral when he is "killed" and Sephiroth could just keep one shotting him they would be locked in eternal combat.

1 shots then leaves

But when Raziel is spectral it is almost as if time freezes in the real world. Basically once you kill Raziel he pops up again nearly instantly, while from his perspective it takes a bit of time to reappear. Play Soul Reaver and you'll get what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Who wins?

Is this a spite thread? Raziel PWNS Sephiroth

Oh ESB, will your ignorant and unwarranted Sephiroth hatred ever end?

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
But when Raziel is spectral it is almost as if time freezes in the real world. Basically once you kill Raziel he pops up again nearly instantly, while from his perspective it takes a bit of time to reappear. Play Soul Reaver and you'll get what I'm talking about.
I own Soul Reaver 2. Sephiroth 1-hits Raziel and as SOON as he's going down, Seph teleports away to a faraway place. It takes a sec to get to Spectral Realm.

Sephiroth doesn't really teleport, he just moves so fast that it is near instantaneous, but Raziel could still pop up in front of him no matter where he went.

actually play the game and ull see that Burning Thought is trying to amp Kains powers more then it really is, I admit Kain is tough, but hes no match for planetary threats like AC Sephiroth, and Trance Kuja, theyre on a whole different level.

Ill say it again like i did in the other thread, Kain and Raziel are much slower, and much less powerful, he can teleport sure, but even his teleport is slow, he has to cast, and he takes a second to fade out, then a second to fade back in, by the time Kain does this, Sephiroth will be already at the spot.

Originally posted by Terryc250
actually play the game and ull see that Burning Thought is trying to amp Kains powers more then it really is, I admit Kain is tough, but hes no match for planetary threats like AC Sephiroth, and Trance Kuja, theyre on a whole different level.

Ill say it again like i did in the other thread, Kain and Raziel are much slower, and much less powerful, he can teleport sure, but even his teleport is slow, he has to cast, and he takes a second to fade out, then a second to fade back in, by the time Kain does this, Sephiroth will be already at the spot.

no, your ridiculous love for girly man is quite pathetic indeed, i have not amped any of kains powers, infact your simply looking at gameplay while ime looking at canon and storyline, okie lets look at gameplay for Sephiroth....(w8s)...erm..hes not doing anything....(w8s) oh silly me its not his turn yet, my turn isnt it..... durlaugh

which will once again be ignored for your nosgoth hate, yeh slower? not at all, when sephiroth is frozen in spectoral time? yeh rite.....less powerful? sephiroth cannot even take a soul, hes more destructivly powerful but in one on one combat, or many on one kain is king and Raziel is....hm..not queen but hes a prince wheras sephiroth put in the same list would be down the bottom with the worth of maybe a squire or scullary maid (see what i did...scullary maid...girly man!! lmao!! i kill myself, nah anyway moving swiftly on) he does not have to cast, sephiroth can move several miles in an instant, news to me, show me...kain teleports to the sarafan stronghold, which is halfway across nosgoth, also how is dimenstion teleporting slow? he could blitz sephiroth while dimensioning

Originally posted by Burning thought
no, your ridiculous love for girly man is quite pathetic indeed, i have not amped any of kains powers, infact your simply looking at gameplay while ime looking at canon and storyline, okie lets look at gameplay for Sephiroth....(w8s)...erm..hes not doing anything....(w8s) oh silly me its not his turn yet, my turn isnt it..... durlaugh

which will once again be ignored for your nosgoth hate, yeh slower? not at all, when sephiroth is frozen in spectoral time? yeh rite.....less powerful? sephiroth cannot even take a soul, hes more destructivly powerful but in one on one combat, or many on one kain is king and Raziel is....hm..not queen but hes a prince wheras sephiroth put in the same list would be down the bottom with the worth of maybe a squire or scullary maid (see what i did...scullary maid...girly man!! lmao!! i kill myself, nah anyway moving swiftly on) he does not have to cast, sephiroth can move several miles in an instant, news to me, show me...kain teleports to the sarafan stronghold, which is halfway across nosgoth, also how is dimenstion teleporting slow? he could blitz sephiroth while dimensioning

lol, ur amping Kains power waaay more then it truely is.

All ur crap is BS unless you can actually prove it with vids (which you know you cant)

Once again show me him using this in battle, all ive seen is slowass teleporting from Kain, and why the f*ck am i jumping around like a monkey climbing crap trying to reach ledges if Kain is all so powerful?

Um, Trance Kuja is more powerful than Sephiroth, right?

Originally posted by Terryc250
lol, ur amping Kains power waaay more then it truely is.

All ur crap is BS unless you can actually prove it with vids (which you know you cant)

Once again show me him using this in battle, all ive seen is slowass teleporting from Kain, and why the f*ck am i jumping around like a monkey climbing crap trying to reach ledges if Kain is all so powerful?

thats a useless and void statement, you have nothing to back it up at all, your overhpying sephiroth beyond anything he actually is, you say that just because he has control over a small portion of lifestream he can make any materia apprently

prove what? that he can teleport? shown, also speed teleporting ive already shown you, much quicker than sephiroth......please stop with your own crap if you dont want crap in debates, i can very much likely show you anything, now wheras sephiroh moving large distances at great speed?

because your playing the game....if it was proper kain, he would do as youve shown in several videos, teleport.....but you cant even use teleport in gameplay.....

also how is climbing to reach ledges a test of strength? your hating on kain because he cannot fly?

Originally posted by Burning thought
thats a useless and void statement, you have nothing to back it up at all, your overhpying sephiroth beyond anything he actually is, you say that just because he has control over a small portion of lifestream he can make any materia apprently

prove what? that he can teleport? shown, also speed teleporting ive already shown you, much quicker than sephiroth......please stop with your own crap if you dont want crap in debates, i can very much likely show you anything, now wheras sephiroh moving large distances at great speed?

because your playing the game....if it was proper kain, he would do as youve shown in several videos, teleport.....but you cant even use teleport in gameplay.....

also how is climbing to reach ledges a test of strength? your hating on kain because he cannot fly?
No its facts, materia is created from the lifestream, now where is ur proof that he only has a small portion of the lifestream? Hes been infecting the lifestream for years, and ppl dying of geostigma have been adding to his negative lifestream rate, with a wave of his hand he covered all of Midgar (by far the largest city in FFVII world) now imagine if he exerted himself bringing out all of it.

Speed teleporting? NO YOU HAVENT, PLZ SHOW ME! Show me without ANY delay or cast.

Kain isnt as powerful as u make him, the guy gets brought on his knees by a wand crawling for his sword.

Originally posted by Burning thought
stronger? kain is far more powerful

no which Sephiroth cannot, another claim without anything, the love of Sephiroths fans win his battle for him, you have nothing on Raziel

you have not played the games at all and have incredible bias towards sephiroth in every thread you go into, you claim things but dont debate them, the same as you do in this one infact, ofc you agree with Terry, are you also Terry by any chance?

Bias or not, everything I say about Sephiroth is truth. And I already proved that with videos, interviews with the creators, quotes from the FFVII books, etc.

The only thing I'm seeing you do, is state something about Kain, and then someone else shows a video proving you wrong.

My god, some days/months ago you was arguing that Kain was Skyfather level! At least I don't try to convince people that Sephiroth is in the same level of Odin, or 100% Pyron, or that he can beat full-power KOS-MOS.
If I'm biased, I don't even know what you are.

Originally posted by SHM
Bias or not, everything I say about Sephiroth is truth. And I already proved that with videos, interviews with the creators, quotes from the FFVII books, etc.

The only thing I'm seeing you do, is state something about Kain, and then someone else shows a video proving you wrong.

My god, some days/months ago you was arguing that Kain was Skyfather level!
If I'm biased, I don't even know what you are.


no you have not..wtf...when have you EVER shown me a video, now your plain lieing

no one has proven me wrong at all...when have i been proven wrong, just because Terry disagrees the teleportation is slow simply because he decides it, its true? ive seen some of the beloved sephiroth vids, hes not as fast as people say it seems

he has many powers, loads, from nifty abilities and being unkillable, it gives him an edge, all he does not have is matter creation and overall destruction

Kain and Raziel dies by the sexy hair of Zomulgustav.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No its facts, materia is created from the lifestream, now where is ur proof that he only has a small portion of the lifestream? Hes been infecting the lifestream for years, and ppl dying of geostigma have been adding to his negative lifestream rate, with a wave of his hand he covered all of Midgar (by far the largest city in FFVII world) now imagine if he exerted himself bringing out all of it.

Speed teleporting? NO YOU HAVENT, PLZ SHOW ME! Show me without ANY delay or cast.

Kain isnt as powerful as u make him, the guy gets brought on his knees by a wand crawling for his sword.


yeh apprently Sephiroth can make any materia out of it on a whim? sow me this, infact show me how materia is created as well plz. Your guessing again, whos to say if he exerted himself it would be any faster?....your guessing again, all the time you guess, just because its fast when he does it on a whim, maybe its no diffrent if he excerts himself? hell if kain can on a whim slow time, if he actually tries he would stop it completly all around him, including sephiroth...kwl, i like your exagerations

yes ive shown you, theres cast, which takes bout less than second, then theres the fade, which takes no cast, but it takes no time to start to fade, in which time Sephiroth wont be doing anything, in the time it takes sephiroth to move, Kain will be gone and will appear if he wishes a long distance away, hell he could appear out of sephiroths reach and easy make a manourvre

that affects his heart, its a special plot device Sephiroth could never replicte nor any character in FF, unforutnaltey, kain has no heart anymore so that does not work.....phaaillelee!!

Kain is not "far more powerfu" than Raziel
they are about equal in all physical stats
and Raziel controls magics that directly tie to Kain's vampiric weaknesses to water and fire
Raz could not kill Kain but causing him to dissolve into bat form to flee a Water Glyph should count as a win
then there remains nothing Kain can do would kill or incapacitate Raziel

Originally posted by 123KID
Kain is not "far more powerfu" than Raziel
they are about equal in all physical stats
and Raziel controls magics that directly tie to Kain's vampiric weaknesses to water and fire
Raz could not kill Kain but causing him to dissolve into bat form to flee a Water Glyph should count as a win
then there remains nothing Kain can do would kill or incapacitate Raziel

it would be an endless battle, but he is far more powerful, he has the power of all the balance glyphs and he cannot die, wheras kain can incapaicate Raziel, simply stick him with the reaver and he is taken

phyical stats maybe, but i was using the ridiculous logic of Terry, Vampiric weakness to fire? kain has not got any such weakness against fire....the only vamps with weakness against fire are the lesser creations of kains sons, the only thing kain has the tiniest weakness against is water, running water

not really, why should turning into batform count as a win, its not incapaictation, kain could defeat Raziel with the reaver, he has the one plot device weapon that can defeat Raziel

also this depends, if its Kain with the soul reaver VS Raziel then the same would likely happen as it did in SR 1, the blade would shatter, but kain can still make Raziel go spectoral many times over and over like he does, if that happens it would be an endless battle, if its just kain with the reaver tho, it would absorb raziel

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Kain and Raziel dies by the sexy hair of Zomulgustav.

lies. dint u say this guy has white hair or sumfin like sephiroth? i mean if so, then thats 3 guys with white hair, Kain also has long white hair i mean heavens above, why is white so populor, i guess it depicts old characters well, or ancient guys or serious ones, wheras a brown seems plain and blonde is usually used for heroes rather than antogonists

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh apprently Sephiroth can make any materia out of it on a whim? sow me this, infact show me how materia is created as well plz. Your guessing again, whos to say if he exerted himself it would be any faster?....your guessing again, all the time you guess, just because its fast when he does it on a whim, maybe its no diffrent if he excerts himself? hell if kain can on a whim slow time, if he actually tries he would stop it completly all around him, including sephiroth...kwl, i like your exagerations

yes ive shown you, theres cast, which takes bout less than second, then theres the fade, which takes no cast, but it takes no time to start to fade, in which time Sephiroth wont be doing anything, in the time it takes sephiroth to move, Kain will be gone and will appear if he wishes a long distance away, hell he could appear out of sephiroths reach and easy make a manourvre

that affects his heart, its a special plot device Sephiroth could never replicte nor any character in FF, unforutnaltey, kain has no heart anymore so that does not work.....phaaillelee!!

Anyone who has played FF7 knows that materia at its rawest form is just lifestream, ask anyone who has played it.

theres a cast, then theres a 1 second fade out, then a 1 second fade in, which makes it SLOW compared to regular movement speed of Sephiroth, the only thing Kains teleporting will be good for is running, thats if Sephiroth doesnt finish him before he casts or fades.. but remember Sephiroth has much more destructive force, he'll fly up in the sky and use his negative lifestream or whatever magic he has in his arsenol at the time, and hunt Kain down and finish him.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Anyone who has played FF7 knows that materia at its rawest form is just lifestream, ask anyone who has played it.

theres a cast, then theres a 1 second fade out, then a 1 second fade in, which makes it SLOW compared to regular movement speed of Sephiroth, the only thing Kains teleporting will be good for is running, thats if Sephiroth doesnt finish him before he casts or fades.. but remember Sephiroth has much more destructive force, he'll fly up in the sky and use his negative lifestream or whatever magic he has in his arsenol at the time, and hunt Kain down and finish him.

so, show me, ive not played FF7, everyone whos played all 5 LOK games knows Kain would crush sephiroth into the dirt at the same time as most FF characters, and thats if i agree he can make any materia, but thats not all ime askiing, ime asking you to show me anything that says Materia can be created instantly by sephiroth simply from lifestream....ill use your argument, sephiroth may have the bread (lifestream) but can you show me the toaster? (the means to create the lifestream), also you just said rawrest form, it takes a transaction to make it into a pure form (the materia final)

theres no cast at all m8....cast in what? he doesnt cast anything to teleport in SR 1 video, and theres no real cast in dimension teleport, you simply activate the ability, he goes green and a second later, he blitzes all opponents much faster than what Sephiroth has shown, and thats beliving he can move as quick as Loz anyway. Kains normal teleport is good for giving him distance on Sephiroth, in that distane he can put up his shield=Sephiroth a gonner, or simply go into another dimension, perhaps spectoral, which ofc Sephiroth is doomed again, or he could simply shoot a time bolt or more than one, activate the time reaver so all time around him goes to a crawl, sephiroth wont be able to go into melee range....he fades instantly, there is no cast.....his destructive forces like meteor are slow and the negative lifestream would not do anything......Sephiroth wouldnt even gesture before he is blown to pieces by a Soul reaver strike. Thats using normal Teleport, Dimension teleport will blitz sephiroth and kains first hit would finish the guy...

kain will never be hunted lol...Sephiroth will simply be to arrogent to run, which ofc wil be his downfall to someone like Kain who is more than his match

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
Um, Trance Kuja is more powerful than Sephiroth, right?

Trance Kuja >>>(x100,000,000) Sephiroth by a lot

Originally posted by Burning thought
so, show me, ive not played FF7, everyone whos played all 5 LOK games knows Kain would crush sephiroth into the dirt at the same time as most FF characters, and thats if i agree he can make any materia, but thats not all ime askiing, ime asking you to show me anything that says Materia can be created instantly by sephiroth simply from lifestream....ill use your argument, sephiroth may have the bread (lifestream) but can you show me the toaster? (the means to create the lifestream), also you just said rawrest form, it takes a transaction to make it into a pure form (the materia final)

theres no cast at all m8....cast in what? he doesnt cast anything to teleport in SR 1 video, and theres no real cast in dimension teleport, you simply activate the ability, he goes green and a second later, he blitzes all opponents much faster than what Sephiroth has shown, and thats beliving he can move as quick as Loz anyway. Kains normal teleport is good for giving him distance on Sephiroth, in that distane he can put up his shield=Sephiroth a gonner, or simply go into another dimension, perhaps spectoral, which ofc Sephiroth is doomed again, or he could simply shoot a time bolt or more than one, activate the time reaver so all time around him goes to a crawl, sephiroth wont be able to go into melee range....he fades instantly, there is no cast.....his destructive forces like meteor are slow and the negative lifestream would not do anything......Sephiroth wouldnt even gesture before he is blown to pieces by a Soul reaver strike. Thats using normal Teleport, Dimension teleport will blitz sephiroth and kains first hit would finish the guy...

kain will never be hunted lol...Sephiroth will simply be to arrogent to run, which ofc wil be his downfall to someone like Kain who is more than his match

Ive asked ppl who have played LOK not all 5 but have played 2, and they said Sephiroth would beat Kain

Prove to me kains shield is unbreakable, Oh you cant? Didnt think so.

yes there is a cast time, turning green is the cast time

Sephiroth is obviously faster then Loz, anyone with common sense can tell you that one

Kains normal teleporting is slow as sh*t and will only be good for running, thats if Sephiroth doesnt chop off his head before he starts to fade

Originally posted by Terryc250
Ive asked ppl who have played LOK not all 5 but have played 2, and they said Sephiroth would beat Kain

Prove to me kains shield is unbreakable, Oh you cant? Didnt think so.

yes there is a cast time, turning green is the cast time

Sephiroth is obviously faster then Loz, anyone with common sense can tell you that one

Kains normal teleporting is slow as sh*t and will only be good for running, thats if Sephiroth doesnt chop off his head before he starts to fade

then they have no conception of the game at all then, or their fanboys like you are "shrug" simply word of mouth is not good enough, you could prob find 100 sephiroth fan girls to back you up, theyll say sephiroth wins even if they admit theyve only seen pictures of him and not seen his games

i cant? dont answer for me little man
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

sorry i kno its not a final fantasy site, maybe ill simply translate for you however

REPEL

Kain says:"Invoking this spell cloaks me under a protective aegis. Whatever spell is cast at me will be reflected back at the caster, leaving me unharmed. It will only last for a short time, however, before leaving me vulnerable once more."

basics of the spell:This spell created a magical shell around Kain. Until it wore off, he was protected against all enemy attacks, including all types of projectile.

immunity against Spells that are even reflected back, immunity against all kinds of attacks AND projectiles...


Turning green is a cast time? okie the flash while sephiroth is moving is his movement time....same same...

common sense or plain Sephiroth fanboyism/fangirlism

before he starts to fade, he fades instantly, simple as, he simply starts fading on will..he doesnt move his hands or say a gesture, hes just gone...then he could be anywhere and sephiroth wouldnt have a clue, not before the reaver is handing through his chest seconds before the soul blast rips sephiroth into fragments

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Trance Kuja >>>(x100,000,000) Sephiroth by a lot

Exactly how long does this Shield last BT? Vid please

Originally posted by Furion
Exactly how long does this Shield last BT? Vid please

It's a shield the same size as a bullet hidden somewhere on his person that lasts for 0.01 seconds and if Sephiroth tries to shoot him and hits the shield his plot to kill Kain will be foiled!

Originally posted by ESB -1138
It's a shield the same size as a bullet hidden somewhere on his person that lasts for 0.01 seconds and if Sephiroth tries to shoot him and hits the shield his plot to kill Kain will be foiled!
Sephiroth doesn't have a gun. What are talking about shooting Kain.

Originally posted by Furion


Exactly how long does this Shield last BT? Vid please

theres no vid, it lasts about 30 seconds or so, more than long enough at least to for him to cast it again after 25 seconds past, but its a game from prob windows 95/98 so theres no Vid

Sephiroth hide and wait. after wears off, Seph appear and spear Kain and burn him.

Originally posted by Furion
Sephiroth hide and wait. after wears off, Seph appear and spear Kain and burn him.

Furion are you seriously debating lol....

as i just said, Kain could recast the shield, its not like its a one use item, its an actual spell he knows, sephiroth can cast materia (okie ive not seen him cast much of anything actually) so..hmm....well ime sure FF characters can cast more than one fireball, like in AC, that guy launcehs several, well this shield is kains spell, he can recast the spell, he could in theory be invulerable constantly as soon as he gets the first shield up

impaling or burning kain will do him no good, also its unlikely fire will do anything, as Kd123 (sry if i got the name wrong) posted, kain is basically immune to fire, he was in the underworld and did not burn and even walks through flames at the end, you would have to burn kain with water, and kain can reform and cannot be killed/destroyed so tat would not work, the only way to defeat kain is to contain him...which sephiroth has no power to do so

5 sec < Sephiroth's speed. Seph would come out of nowhere and impale him. Then he does some random spell. Vaporizing always works.

Originally posted by Furion
5 sec < Sephiroth's speed. Seph would come out of nowhere and impale him. Then he does some random spell. Vaporizing always works.

no i said 5 seconds before the shield breaks, so seph woudlnt touch kain

Vaporizing wouldnt work, you cant kill/destroy kain at all..he would com back randomly or vapourisng woudlnt work at all, also when can Sephiroth vaporise? with what exactley..random spell? lol..so wil kain then

impale wont work, kain ahs too many ways of escaping and sephiroth from what ive seen has no real speed feats

Madmel who also played it just said it was around 30 seconds, as well, how is sephiroth going to have a hope in hell surviving 30 seconds, hes a gonner for sure....kain simply dimensoins to him and blasts him apart, or TKs him, then he wont do anything

Originally posted by Furion
5 sec < Sephiroth's speed. Seph would come out of nowhere and impale him. Then he does some random spell. Vaporizing always works.
unless its kain, who like i said a million times before, comes back...besides, seph wont get the time to do the spell...since kain is impaled, he either mists or explodes and reforms...kain wont be stopped by seph, simple as that..

Vaporizing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSVNbxjdvv8

You try and explain how that kinda power wouldn't hurt Kain

mist dodge
also, even if that did hit kain...guess what?
explode and reform

VAPORIZE! COMPLETE OBLITERATION! IT WOULD TURN THE MIST TO NOTHING!

kain mist isnt normal mist..weve already seen magical vaporising attacks go right through it in BO1..
also, if that actually somehow hits kain and hurt him -
EXPLODE AND REFORM

If that actually happened wouldn't that count as a KO since Sephiroth DEFEATED not KILLED Kain.

no, becuase kain comes back...everytime kain gets close to getting K.O'd, he explodes and reforms, fully healed..

THIS KAN BEATA KAIN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YcIQYCkJPI

AND THIS KAN BEAT KAIN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds&feature=related

You know it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lies. dint u say this guy has white hair or sumfin like sephiroth? i mean if so, then thats 3 guys with white hair, Kain also has long white hair i mean heavens above, why is white so populor, i guess it depicts old characters well, or ancient guys or serious ones, wheras a brown seems plain and blonde is usually used for heroes rather than antogonists

Silverish White. But Zomulgustav's hair is much, much, much, much better than Sephiroth's. Zomu's hair makes Seph's like a bunch of split ends.

My character will be able to destroy the existence of Sephiroth and Raziel worlds with a trip to the bathroom.

Zomulgustav does that wuth a flip of his hair.

Then Shoop-da-Whoop pops in and blows up them, the world, and the entire universe.

PROOF: Pay attention 1:56 to 2:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLKEZzBIZE&feature=related

Originally posted by Furion
Then Shoop-da-Whoop pops in and blows up them, the world, and the entire universe.

Phail, Zomulgustav can't die.

He doesn't die, he just gets transported to nothing and is trapped forever.

Zomulgustav can just, y'know, crawl out.

Wrong, can't crawl out of nothing, since there's nothing to crawl out of.

Originally posted by Burning thought
then they have no conception of the game at all then, or their fanboys like you are "shrug" simply word of mouth is not good enough, you could prob find 100 sephiroth fan girls to back you up, theyll say sephiroth wins even if they admit theyve only seen pictures of him and not seen his games

i cant? dont answer for me little man
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

sorry i kno its not a final fantasy site, maybe ill simply translate for you however

REPEL

Kain says:"Invoking this spell cloaks me under a protective aegis. Whatever spell is cast at me will be reflected back at the caster, leaving me unharmed. It will only last for a short time, however, before leaving me vulnerable once more."

basics of the spell:This spell created a magical shell around Kain. Until it wore off, he was protected against all enemy attacks, including all types of projectile.

immunity against Spells that are even reflected back, immunity against all kinds of attacks AND projectiles...


Turning green is a cast time? okie the flash while sephiroth is moving is his movement time....same same...

common sense or plain Sephiroth fanboyism/fangirlism

before he starts to fade, he fades instantly, simple as, he simply starts fading on will..he doesnt move his hands or say a gesture, hes just gone...then he could be anywhere and sephiroth wouldnt have a clue, not before the reaver is handing through his chest seconds before the soul blast rips sephiroth into fragments

whatever spell from LOK, no one in LOK has as much destructive spells as Sephiroth, negative lifestream isnt even a spell, and Sephiroth chopping limbs off Kain isnt a spell either.

Yes he has a delay cast time before Kain can teleport, movement time? Uhh ok, makes no sense but sure...

No its common sense, you should get some.

No he doesnt fade instantly he takes about a second just to fade out, then a second just to fade in again, which is slow compared to instant movement speed.

the fact remains that seph cannot do anything that can permanently stop kain...he can slash him all he wants, but kain will just come back, and with sheilds, TK and time control, he will land a hit on seph that will kill him..the end

Kain cant fly, Sephiroth flies way up in the air, takes his time to develop the summon Shiva summon, with his negative lifestream then freezes Kain.. or he uses Ice 3 while Kain tries to reform, he had it during FFVII, Kain is also weak against water.

all useless...if seph flew up, kain teleports after him, or uses his time spell on him...
if seph uses ice, kain uses his shield, reflecting the ice back onto seph, leaving him incapatitated long enough for kain to us his time spell, or use his time reaver spell, or just soul blast him straight away

Saying things like that and just assuming Sephiroth will allow it doesnt make sense, thats just like saying Sephiroth will just run circles around Kain, then chop off various different limbs before finally summoning supernova to destroy kain, and also summoning to further destroy whatever remains of kain

exactly!

Saying things like that and just assuming kain will allow it doesnt make sense
kain could easily TK shackle seph while hes rising through the air, then he'll be helpless..
if seph comes close to destroying kains body he explodes and reforms, and if seph tries anything while he reforms, he explodes and reforms out of seph's reach..

Terry...your digging and digging...digging yourself your own deep trench, i suggest you put the spade down and climb out, before you find out youve dug it too deep to escape

your ignorence to Kain has gone on far enough, even Madmel finds it ridiculous it seems and he rarely debates on here recently, its funny how you think sephiroth can do anything at all, kain can reflect anything Sephiroth does, Supernova wont do anything.....he can do it 100 times and Kain will laugh while Sephiroth is angered, he would either have his shield up and stand unharmed, or burst into nothingness to reform as he usually does, you cannot destroy or harm kain to any permanent degree

you keep saying Seph will fly......wasting time to fly up is terrible, if Sephiroth stops attacking kain for a single second, hes lost the entire battle, kain in that second could easily have his siheld up, then its lights out, TK to stop sephiroth, then time stop him, infact he would prob give Sephiroth that haircut just to humiliate him

I thought this was Sephiroth v.s. RAZIEL

Raziel has already won, so as usual for some reason it goes off topic, Terry wants to debate sephiroth VS kain for some reason.....

Continue then.

Zomulgustav FTW.

you love that guy. so who is he? a character you invented for you own universe?

Yep. The creator of the Lynx Legends Multiverse.

Satan in my universe would crush him

Pfft please. But I don't wanna stray this off-topic, let's take it to the OTT.

lol stray an already off-topic thread off topic..hnmm, only Leroy jenkins can do that

LOL.

Originally posted by MadMel
exactly!

Saying things like that and just assuming kain will allow it doesnt make sense
kain could easily TK shackle seph while hes rising through the air, then he'll be helpless..
if seph comes close to destroying kains body he explodes and reforms, and if seph tries anything while he reforms, he explodes and reforms out of seph's reach..

Ur forgetting the fact that Sephiroth is muchf aster then Kain, and has much more abilities, a stronger TK, and that he can chop Kain from limb to limb before kain even finishes fading, Kain doesnt reform instantly either.


Sephiroth has a shield too, so? Show me Kains shield stopping attacks on Sephiroths calibre, then say it can be useful. Sephiroth will finish Kain IN one second or less, then as he tries to reform Sephiroth will freeze him, and encase him in ice, then toss him into a lake.

Sephiroth now knows ice attacks?

Yeah at his weakest form, before he went crazy he had all element attacks at their max, fire ice lightning earth etc

Originally posted by Terryc250
Ur forgetting the fact that Sephiroth is muchf aster then Kain, and has much more abilities, a stronger TK, and that he can chop Kain from limb to limb before kain even finishes fading, Kain doesnt reform instantly either.


Sephiroth has a shield too, so? Show me Kains shield stopping attacks on Sephiroths calibre, then say it can be useful. Sephiroth will finish Kain IN one second or less, then as he tries to reform Sephiroth will freeze him, and encase him in ice, then toss him into a lake.

no he isnt, he has no speed feats, its only in a fanboys mind he is much faster, kain as ive shown you in many vids can match or even outclass sephiroth in movement, his TK is weaker, stop overhyping TK blast, he cant even hold people for long and has never held a small object.....rubbish, he starts fading straight away, in which he is immaterial, Sephiroth would hit nothing but air....

dont need to, the shield of kain says it stops all attacks, projectiles and reflects magic, show me sephiroths sword slashing an immortal vampire, you prob cannot, or any of his spells touching kain.....hes never fought an opponent near kains level. In one second kain will of thrown sephiroth, TK bound across the sky before freezing him solid in TK, then time blasting him....game..set..match, sephiroth has no chance

hell "try" to freeze him, only to have it reflect off kains shield and freeze sphiroth, or kain simply fire blasts and melts any ice

after Kain's shield goes off, Sephiroth strikes. Sephiroth is more then capable of freezing Kain in 5 sec.

Originally posted by Burning thought
no he isnt, he has no speed feats, its only in a fanboys mind he is much faster, kain as ive shown you in many vids can match or even outclass sephiroth in movement, his TK is weaker, stop overhyping TK blast, he cant even hold people for long and has never held a small object.....rubbish, he starts fading straight away, in which he is immaterial, Sephiroth would hit nothing but air....

dont need to, the shield of kain says it stops all attacks, projectiles and reflects magic, show me sephiroths sword slashing an immortal vampire, you prob cannot, or any of his spells touching kain.....hes never fought an opponent near kains level. In one second kain will of thrown sephiroth, TK bound across the sky before freezing him solid in TK, then time blasting him....game..set..match, sephiroth has no chance

hell "try" to freeze him, only to have it reflect off kains shield and freeze sphiroth, or kain simply fire blasts and melts any ice

first of all, use ur logic, we see Sephiroth on screen for 10 minutes, playing around, common sense tells you he is faster then the beings who are weak remnant of himself, who will be faster, a person who is 100%(Sephiroth) or a person who is 10%(Loz)?

Its slow, he fades out which takes a second, then as he starts fading back in, Sephrioth will see it, then he'll be behind him, cutting him in a few hundred pieces just as hes finished fading in.. Then as Kain tries to reform (dont even say "zomg u cant do that Kain has pwnage shieldz!1" because Kain cant use a shield as hes reforming) Sephiroth will freeze him, and toss him in a lake.

YA!!!!11 MAKE IT LAKZ OF TA DEAD!!1

Originally posted by Terryc250
first of all, use ur logic, we see Sephiroth on screen for 10 minutes, playing around, common sense tells you he is faster then the beings who are weak remnant of himself, who will be faster, a person who is 100%(Sephiroth) or a person who is 10%(Loz)?

Its slow, he fades out which takes a second, then as he starts fading back in, Sephrioth will see it, then he'll be behind him, cutting him in a few hundred pieces just as hes finished fading in.. Then as Kain tries to reform (dont even say "zomg u cant do that Kain has pwnage shieldz!1" because Kain cant use a shield as hes reforming) Sephiroth will freeze him, and toss him in a lake.

false, this is a piece of sephiroth, according to Csdabest, the speed piece of him, so he is equel to Loz in speed

you must be looking at another video m8, and what? what if kain teleports half a mile away, or behind a building.....Sephiroth has nothing on him, and if Kain dimension teleports its much faster than anything sephiroth can do....show me Sephiroth using freeze materia, and its casting speed please....

Kain will duche sephiroth before he can do anything, a move of his hand is all it takes and sephiroth is a gonner

what can Kain do with a move of his hand.

Originally posted by Furion
what can Kain do with a move of his hand.

most of his spells, shield, time bolt etc etc, but at the time of writing i had Tk in mind, with Sephiroth his puppet in TK, Sephiroth is doomed, in a wave of his hand, he could use the TK shackles TK power, which holds sephiroth in the air, his arms and legs chains apart and unable to move in TK energy

Zomulgustav.

Originally posted by Burning thought
false, this is a piece of sephiroth, according to Csdabest, the speed piece of him, so he is equel to Loz in speed

you must be looking at another video m8, and what? what if kain teleports half a mile away, or behind a building.....Sephiroth has nothing on him, and if Kain dimension teleports its much faster than anything sephiroth can do....show me Sephiroth using freeze materia, and its casting speed please....

Kain will duche sephiroth before he can do anything, a move of his hand is all it takes and sephiroth is a gonner

umm if that was true then Kadaj represents his skills, and Sephiroth is about 100x more skilled, Sephiroth would take out all 3 of them in under 3 seconds, with his eyes closed, if Kain tries to run, then Sephiroth will jus fly up in the air, take his time and use the negative lifestream

You see it in Sephiroths inventory when he was apart of ur team during the flashback, but you didnt get to control Sephiroth, and all he did was slash up giant dragons, but if u went into the menu and looked in his inventory, he had ice3, fire3, quake3, cure3, etc, etc, it takes a second to cast just like it takes to cast any magic in ffvii, but Sephiroth will chop up Kain first, or destroy him, then as hes trying to reform, he'll freeze him.



Sephiroth is faster then Kain, he'll TK kain even faster and if its AC Sephiroth, he'll crush Kain.. then he'll chop up whatever left over.

Originally posted by Burning thought
most of his spells, shield, time bolt etc etc, but at the time of writing i had Tk in mind, with Sephiroth his puppet in TK, Sephiroth is doomed, in a wave of his hand, he could use the TK shackles TK power, which holds sephiroth in the air, his arms and legs chains apart and unable to move in TK energy
Seph teleports.

Originally posted by Furion
Seph teleports.

"shrug" ive not been shown Sephiroth even capable of teleportation, until shown he does not have that power, thats yet another reason why Sephiroth could never beat kain, not only may he not have teleport but even if Sephiroth tries to use TK, it will only give kain the want to teleport straight away

Right.

left

Up.

In KH2, Seph possesses instant teleportation.

Originally posted by Furion
In KH2, Seph possesses instant teleportation.

thats KH2, is that even canon to Sephiroth at all? in the same KH hes beaten by donald duck and goofy as well as a kid with a keyblade, that sephiroth is apprently simply the dark heartless or something inside cloud that comes out, not neccerily identical and with the same powers as sephiroth, has sephiroth ever teleproted before KH?

Donald and Goofy aren't there.
Sephiroth just decided to stop fighting cause he was getting bored. He even brushed off Sora's attacks.

but still is it canon?

and its still not sephiroth himself, its the darkness inside of Cloud, apprently only Cloud could beat that version of sephiroth

so that means KAIN WOULD NEVER WIN!!!!!!!!!!!11111123sefhsadhlfgjlsfh
Don't know. Tifa said they went domewhere to fight a great battle. Could be midgar.

Originally posted by Burning thought
thats KH2, is that even canon to Sephiroth at all? in the same KH hes beaten by donald duck and goofy as well as a kid with a keyblade, that sephiroth is apprently simply the dark heartless or something inside cloud that comes out, not neccerily identical and with the same powers as sephiroth, has sephiroth ever teleproted before KH?

No actually after the fight Sephiroth just simply brushes his shoulder off and says like not bad.. go bring me cloud now

Originally posted by Furion
so that means KAIN WOULD NEVER WIN!!!!!!!!!!!11111123sefhsadhlfgjlsfh
Don't know. Tifa said they went domewhere to fight a great battle. Could be midgar.

no, correct me if ime wrong, but first this is not proper sephiroth, clouds inner darkness sephiroth, second the rule is he cannot be killed by anyone other than cloud, Kain could still douche him and toy with him like a fly in a spiders web

AHA! He can't be killed but Kain can defeat him. And Kain can't be killed but Seph can't defeat?
Your logic is 404d

Originally posted by Furion
AHA! He can't be killed but Kain can defeat him. And Kain can't be killed but Seph can't defeat?
Your logic is 404d

no, sephiroth cannot defeat because kain has ways to combust his form and reform, wheras KH sephiroth does not unless you can show me, kain can mist/teleport to escape as well

Kain can kill sephiroth, defeat KH sephiroth with ease, whats KH sephiroth going to do if a time bolt hits him? hes neither killed or even damaged, hes defeaten tho

a time bolt wont hit Sephiroth.

What is Kain going to do if Sephiroth stops his reforming? Then Kain wont be dead but he'll be neatrulized

serious lack of logic there.
Sephiroth can't just not get hit by a time bolt.

Your Logic

Originally posted by Furion
Your Logic
haha love them pics

but no Furion, this is Sephiroth were talking about he is IMBURRZ!! Terry says so, surely because Terry says so, Sephiroth will just not be hit by the bolt..nevvoorrr!

Originally posted by Furion
serious lack of logic there.
Sephiroth can't just not get hit by a time bolt.

Why not? Its slow compared to Sephiroth. He wont get hit by it unless he lets it hit him, other then that, it has no chance of hitting Sephiroth at 100%

Sephirot stnds tere and the tme botlz bouncez of him and goez bak and hitz Kain.
I may be a huge Seph fan, but that logic fails..............like George Bush's presidency.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Why not? Its slow compared to Sephiroth. He wont get hit by it unless he lets it hit him, other then that, it has no chance of hitting Sephiroth at 100%


youve not seen the time bolt at all, and i cant show you it either, so your going to assume its slow? lol......against the speed featless sephiroth..i see, as if Kain is just going to cast one, as well as if kain would just watch it following the fleeing sephiroth.....he would TK sephiroth frozen stiff, and then Sephiroth would be hit by the bolt...the end

^ How does it fail? How can something slow hit Sephiroth? Explain, ive been told its not really fast at all, from ppl who have seen it.

Or Sephiroth would chop Kain in half since hes much faster, Kain tries to reform Sephiroth freezes Kain, tosses him in a lake, the end.

Originally posted by Terryc250
^ How does it fail? How can something slow hit Sephiroth? Explain.


i just did.......you dont kno its speed, i cant show u its speed, Sephiroth has no speed feats......Sephiroth wont be moving due to Tk anyway....so......you fail...failed logic

Why would Sephiroth be in TK? Sephiroth is faster, and has a more powerful TK then Kain, Sephiroth speedblitz' kain before he can try anything.

Lol if you want to talk about Kain vs Seph, bring it over to da All powerz Seph thread. I like how people just turned this into a Kain vs Seph thread.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Why would Sephiroth be in TK? Sephiroth is faster, and has a more powerful TK then Kain, Sephiroth speedblitz' kain before he can try anything.

false, his TK is weaker, more desturctive but at holding, its simple and weak...kains is improved and more specific TK, he could throw Sephiroths weapon or make it impale himself if he wanted

Sephiroth has no speed feats

Kain Dimension blitzes sephiroth, slices him once who then gets blasted to pieces

Originally posted by Furion
Lol if you want to talk about Kain vs Seph, bring it over to da All powerz Seph thread. I like how people just turned this into a Kain vs Seph thread.

True, but not really because that was full powered seph, only with weakened Kain, Kain sitll won tho ofc lol...

Originally posted by Burning thought
false, his TK is weaker, more desturctive but at holding, its simple and weak...kains is improved and more specific TK, he could throw Sephiroths weapon or make it impale himself if he wanted

Sephiroth has no speed feats

Kain Dimension blitzes sephiroth, slices him once who then gets blasted to pieces



True, but not really because that was full powered seph, only with weakened Kain, Kain sitll won tho ofc lol...

Sephiroth held 8 ppl at once while holding back Holy(destructive enough to destroy a planet) and this was a weaker Sephiroth

Kain holds onto an old man, and soldiers one at a time.

Weaker Sephiroths speed, his creations, facts, evidence hints us at AC Sephiroths speed at 100%

Kains "dimension blitz" requires him to feed his reaver, then use it right away after its been fed, and it still takes a second before he can actually use it.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth held 8 ppl at once while holding back Holy(destructive enough to destroy a planet) and this was a weaker Sephiroth he held 8 people..i dont think he used tk to hold back hioly, just a spell...but its been a while since i played ff7 (disk f**ked up on me )

Originally posted by Terryc250
Kain holds onto an old man, and soldiers one at a time.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Weaker Sephiroths speed, his creations, facts, evidence hints us at AC Sephiroths speed at 100% thats making a baseless assumption...we can say that, since kain created his vampire sons, he can be immune to water..this isnt the case, however

Originally posted by Terryc250
Kains "dimension blitz" requires him to feed his reaver, then use it right away after its been fed, and it still takes a second before he can actually use it.
blood reaver, not soul reaver...also, its gameplay...kain has been shown to do charged attacks without "feeding the reaver" as you say..


why is this still being dabated, seph cannot do anything to stop kain..so eventaully, kain will win...the end!

ummmm Kain's sons evolved.
Sephiroth Speed blitz Kain, freezes him then chops him up into tiny pieces, freezes those pieces and dumps those pieces in a lake

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth held 8 ppl at once while holding back Holy(destructive enough to destroy a planet) and this was a weaker Sephiroth

Kain holds onto an old man, and soldiers one at a time.

Weaker Sephiroths speed, his creations, facts, evidence hints us at AC Sephiroths speed at 100%

Kains "dimension blitz" requires him to feed his reaver, then use it right away after its been fed, and it still takes a second before he can actually use it.

your such a joker, i suppose it is so close to new years, had too much to drinkie

he held 8 people badly, the people were pushing towards him many occasions and nearly got within reach of him....and these are flimsy little cloud and co...no Kain, also wtf is this being debated, how is sephiroth having Tk at all make any diffrence to kain? kain teleport out of any TK or mist, Holy? you said already at some point he was just stopping Aeris from summoning it

Kain held moebius who has great will but furthermore, moved small objects like his staff, and can cause pain through his TK, also the old man cannot break free, like all kains opponents, also sephiroth unlike Kain cannot TK shackle, that is to say, Tk an opponent then do something else while their stuck, which will be sephiroths fate

no facts at all m8, your assumptions, the guy has no speed feats, simple as

no, thats when he had blood reaver, the soul reaver powers on souls which he has Raziel inside to power the thing, and no he does not have to use it straight away, false....no it doesnt take a second to use, he just powers up...the only way it could take a second is if some idiot (do you do this?, you prob never played the game anyway lol) held down the key to activate it

Originally posted by Furion
ummmm Kain's sons evolved.
Sephiroth Speed blitz Kain, freezes him then chops him up into tiny pieces, freezes those pieces and dumps those pieces in a lake

hes not faster than kain, a blitz would need sephiroth to be much much faster, but all we have is assumptions of his speed anyway, freeze him? if i know most sephiroth spells which i do, he takes an age and a half, prob a good long time to sit and do any spell, ive not seen him do it ever...chops him in pieces, good try...wouldnt get 3 feet in front of kain before zap, trapped in TK and having his body blasted by the reaver into bits....