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I SHALL SMITE KAIN HERE AND NOW!

which Young Kain ?
Blood Omen or Blood Omen 2 ?

Both! This is Elder God Scorpion and he shall wipe the floor with Kain's a$$.

Battle takes place in hell so Scorp can dip Kain in some lava.

soul or no soul? if soul, Kain punts it out, if none, then Scoprion gets possessed, if hes a spectre, then he gets swallowed into the reaver straight off the bat

I lol at you for trying to say punt Scorpion's soul out. Kain won't have a chance to due to the fact he's being hurled around by Scorp's kunai. Scorp would be too pissed off for Kain to punt his soul out.

bs, soul punting takes no time at all, perhaps a hand movement and the soul is blasted out along the path of ownage

or Kain Reavers him, or he would fire an energy bolt through his head or he could call massive blasts of lightning on his foes

whats Kunai? that ridiculous little thing that comes out of his hand? honestly it would be slashed straight off his hand, either way its slow

prove Kain can punt out a soul that's as angry and as powerful as Scorpion's.

Yeah lightning storm's in hell aren't very often. I told you, This is Elder God powered Scorpion who could defeat Onaga who Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, And Raiden combined couldn't defeat. Kain goes mist he will be burnt by hellfire.

How does Agression save Scorpion's soul?

Scorp has dealt with Soul Taker's before. Shang Tsung and contrary to popular belief, Shang doesn't need to defeat someone to take their soul as shown in MK Armaggedon. Besides, Scorp Hellfire punch which is an instant Teleport move and knocks Kain down, shoots Kunai at Kain and flings him around the area, pummling him over and over, Then he throws Kain into lava.
FATALITY!
A sec and a half is slow? wow.

When the hell did Scorpion get a soul. Last i check he was a Souless Specter

Scorpion's soul fell into the pits of the NetherRealm when he died. Scorp has a soul.

Not in his body. His soul is gone. Where theck are you getting all your information from.

Also....Hanzou had a soul not scorpion

The videogames Duh. Gee I wonder how Shang Tsung can do a Soul Stealing fatality and move on Scorpion. Scorp has a soul you foolz.

Game Mechanics. and im starting to think this is a joke topic.

Kain pwns this guy, if he has a soul, spirit death, if he does not have a soul, Soul wrack or whatever its called to possess the guy, either way kain can beat this guy simple

Also people say young kain as if it makes him much weaker, if it was Blood omen 2 kain when he doesnt remember his spells from BO 1 then okie, but with spells from BO 1, hes incredible

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain pwns this guy, if he has a soul, spirit death, if he does not have a soul, Soul wrack or whatever its called to possess the guy, either way kain can beat this guy simple

Also people say young kain as if it makes him much weaker, if it was Blood omen 2 kain when he doesnt remember his spells from BO 1 then okie, but with spells from BO 1, hes incredible Kain is unbeatable. I don't know why people even bother making threads about him.

they think that bt will crack and admit kain's defeat
some people do just to piss bt and i off for no real reason..

Originally posted by MadMel
they think that bt will crack and admit kain's defeat
some people do just to piss bt and i off for no real reason.. I was being sarcastic, mind you.

I'm not saying that Scorpion would beat Kain though; I really haven't given it much thought.

It's just that BT essentially writes the same thing in any thread involving Kain, regardless of the opposition.

I just can't help but wonder if Kain's soul controlling power is as absolute as BT says that it is, and if so, how he fits into the role of a protagonist in a video game.

I mean, does Blood Omen even have a "Game Over" screen?

cant remember, its been too long since i last played it
but yea, of course...its just that some of the character in the series are powerful in their own right..
2 guardians used their powers to warp an entire country..
1 guardian has to wear a special robe or else her power would kill everyone within a 3-5 feet radius of her
and etc

Originally posted by MadMel
cant remember, its been too long since i last played it
but yea, of course...its just that some of the character in the series are powerful in their own right..
2 guardians used their powers to warp an entire country..
1 guardian has to wear a special robe or else her power would kill everyone within a 3-5 feet radius of her
and etc Neither of those abilities make the user as apparently undefeatable as Kain.

yea but kain is destined to live on, until he does whatever he is suposed to do to fix nosgoth and forfill his destiny as scion of balance..he cannot and will not die until that happens...the only other real way to defeat him is to trap him forever somehow, and that would cantradict his destiny as well..

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I was being sarcastic, mind you.

I'm not saying that Scorpion would beat Kain though; I really haven't given it much thought.

It's just that BT essentially writes the same thing in any thread involving Kain, regardless of the opposition.

I just can't help but wonder if Kain's soul controlling power is as absolute as BT says that it is, and if so, how he fits into the role of a protagonist in a video game.

I mean, does Blood Omen even have a "Game Over" screen?

for the reaons of debate it would be absolute because A: there is no being canonically in LOK that has resisted this power, its worked again demons, ghosts, other vampires and ofcourse humans and B: since the ability is both quick and seems to work against all enemies, anything against this in the forums is an assumption and speculation, i can call to bear many assumptions and speculations about kain but such things are not really much to do with the rules of debating

thirdly if a being has soul resistences then fair play, perhaps he may be able to do something about kains soul power if he activates it, since kain can do it so damn quickly, even with the fact that opponents know eachothers abilities, they dont know when it happens or how to stop it with their own, so the likelyness is, even if someone has some resistence, it would have to be natural to stop kain

since most creatures and beings in fiction dont have any resistence or reason to belive they could survive their soul being punted out of them or replaced by kain in possesion, it gives kain many options with this ability alone

kain is definaltey unkillable and basically undefeatable considering his long list of powers to get him out of a situation tha could incapaciate him

Originally posted by Burning thought
for the reaons of debate it would be absolute because A: there is no being canonically in LOK that has resisted this power, its worked again demons, ghosts, other vampires and ofcourse humans and B: since the ability is both quick and seems to work against all enemies, anything against this in the forums is an assumption and speculation, i can call to bear many assumptions and speculations about kain but such things are not really much to do with the rules of debating

thirdly if a being has soul resistences then fair play, perhaps he may be able to do something about kains soul power if he activates it, since kain can do it so damn quickly, even with the fact that opponents know eachothers abilities, they dont know when it happens or how to stop it with their own, so the likelyness is, even if someone has some resistence, it would have to be natural to stop kain

since most creatures and beings in fiction dont have any resistence or reason to belive they could survive their soul being punted out of them or replaced by kain in possesion, it gives kain many options with this ability alone

kain is definaltey unkillable and basically undefeatable considering his long list of powers to get him out of a situation tha could incapaciate him If I'm not mistaken, soul manipulation didn't work against the disgusting looking Elder God thing. According to your logic, an undefeated boxer is undefeatable.

It appears that few people on this forum have played Blood Omen (from what I've seen, just you and MadMel). I'll have to make sure I try a few of them, one: because you've struck my intrest in the series, and two: because frankly, I think you know more than you're telling.

Kain is unbeatable, eh? Well, how does he get a game over? I guess I'll have to see for myself.

Like I said, Instant Hellfire punch then Kain into Lava. Scorpion has survived being in Lava for a minute and can survive thunderbolts from Raiden which are powerful enough to blow people up. Scorpion has faced the best of MK and comes out with a head. Elder God Scorpion is even more powerful. And besides, You can't defeat Scorpion since he will just comeback to the NetherRealm. I guess that makes Scorpion undefeatable.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If I'm not mistaken, soul manipulation didn't work against the disgusting looking Elder God thing. According to your logic, an undefeated boxer is undefeatable.

It appears that few people on this forum have played Blood Omen (from what I've seen, just you and MadMel). I'll have to make sure I try a few of them, one: because you've struck my intrest in the series, and two: because frankly, I think you know more than you're telling.

Kain is unbeatable, eh? Well, how does he get a game over? I guess I'll have to see for myself.

that Elder God think may not have a soul thats why, infact its pretty odd creature that most dont know much about and a Boxer is something we can comprehend but the soul powers of kain are not, we know boxers can be defeated but weve never had tests of kains soul powers against anyone, wheras we know other boxers can be defeated, their also simply physical, anyone with something under their cap (a good brain) knowns that physical human strength is beatable

no i dont think many have, know more than were telling? hmm, we know a few things but weve let loose most knowledge, we may have missed something because i for one have not played Soul reaver 1 and BO 1 for years

he can get a game over in the game, just in canon he cannot be killed but in the game theres gameplay mechanics that make you start from a checkpoint if you lose a certain amount of the red vial

Scorpion will be possessed and like i said before, i swear he is a spectre, if so, then he gets immediatley soul captured by the reaver without kain having to do anything

A split sec is all that Scorpion will take to knock Kain down, Kain possesses Scorp, Scorp boots Kain out of his head and gets more pissed off. In a split sec Kain will be down and Scorp will be swinging him around with a kunai into the lava.

Originally posted by Furion
A split sec is all that Scorpion will take to knock Kain down, Kain possesses Scorp, Scorp boots Kain out of his head and gets more pissed off. In a split sec Kain will be down and Scorp will be swinging him around with a kunai into the lava.

same for Kain, and kain would be inside Scorp, who wouldnt have a say in the matter, he would literally be gone and kain would be at the controls.... kain wins

kain will break the kunai, its a think little thing, its useless to kain, kain would devastate Scorpion

exept Kain will be on the ground so he won't get to do what ever. Hellfire punch is instant and Is almost impossible to block. Kain will be on the ground, Scorp uses his kunai on him while he's on the ground and then he will throw him into the lava. Simple. Not that Kain could possess Scorp anyway since he would just force him out due to his strong will power. Have Kain possess the Sarafan Lord and I'll say Scorp gets possessed.

Originally posted by Furion
exept Kain will be on the ground so he won't get to do what ever. Hellfire punch is instant and Is almost impossible to block. Kain will be on the ground, Scorp uses his kunai on him while he's on the ground and then he will throw him into the lava. Simple. Not that Kain could possess Scorp anyway since he would just force him out due to his strong will power. Have Kain possess the Sarafan Lord and I'll say Scorp gets possessed.

willpower is nothing to do with a quick possession, its even easier since Scorp has no soul in him apprently either

also what do u mean instant, its a punc, a punch is not as quick as a finger movemnet

Scorpion has a soul and it's pissed beyond hell.
Scorpion does instant Teleport while punching, therefore he'll teleport behind Kain while punching him.

thats not exactley the most impressive of skills, in the time it takes Scorpion to both start the teleport, move, then punch, kain could have his shield up and then its all over

Scorp can do what he likes but hed end up eventually possessed, utterly destroyed into pieces by the soul reaver, or simply have his brain turned off

no, it's instant. If I could show you I would. Why haven't you played MK:Armaggedon? You can make Kain and go about killing people.

Prove He can possess someone with the willpower of Scorpion. Scorpion was tossed into the Soulnado which is a realm made of a countless souls and his willpower made him survive by escaping it before being torn apart.

Is every attack that Furion mentioned gameplay?

It's every move that Scorpion has. Every move BT has listed is gameplay.

willpower does not determine the ability to escape Soul wreck, willpower is not judged in LOK, hes overtaken Vampires who have great will, Demons, all kinds of beings, will power does not mean anything when your mind is no longer yours, your body is kains and you literally no longer really excist

and as i said, he doesnt even need this, he can shield himself, hell be basically immune and then no one will hit him

Scorpion has willpower as great as Gods now that he's their champion. Kain won't get a chance to enter Scorpion's mind for he will push him out.
Prove Kain can put his shield up quicker then a splitsecond.

For gameplay.

willpower is for mind powers, Kain is not in scopions mind, hes in his whole body, you prove his willpower will go to his stomach or little toe somehow where kain also is, its for the mind, and Scorpion will be basically dead and gone after possession takes place because kain is at the controls, think of it as having a car with a guy in it who is scorpion, and kain comes along and fires an automatic into the guys head, the guy is dead and gets thrown out of the car and kain takes control of it, only thing is, this time Scorpions soul (the thing in the car) is in hell, so instead kain just finds an emptey vehicle and takes control

split second? kains hand movement is a split second and its not like kain is beaten once scorpion punches him, kain can still move while being punched so his hand could be moving at the same time as being punched and the shield will come up just as kain falls over, making him immune, but its more likely it will come up just as Scorpions punch lands, hed prob not even land the punch because kain will be moving wont he, so if scorp teleports kain could of moved just far enough to escape scorpions arm length for the punch and the shield is up, either way kain wins...

split second??
scorp's telport punch isnt a split second - instant thing..it takes more like a full second for the attack to land..
and i actually have the game so dont try to bulshit me about it

1. Do you mean when Neo jumped into Smith's body and he exploded? If so I guess that could work.
2.Scorp dies he just revives, Scorp can never truely be killed either so hah.
3. If Scorpion knocks Kain down it's over, Scorpion will hit him with the Kunai and then toss him into the lava. Kain moving won't make any difference since Scorp will just tele right behind him anyway. But I don't think a split second will do much good.
4. It's a split Second. I've played Scorpion more then enough to know.

Originally posted by MadMel
split second??
scorp's telport punch isnt a split second - instant thing..it takes more like a full second for the attack to land..
and i actually have the game so dont try to bulshit me about it The hellfire punch is pretty instantaneous. There's virtually zero time between disappearance and reappearance.

It definitely doesn't take a full second for him to reappear.

full second? Nah. At least not in the Xbox version it doesn't. As soon as he disappears the attack hits, and then afterwards you see his after-image where he was originally standing.

Scorpion hell firepunch then kunai Kain into Lava. It works on PS2 version as well . Kain gets his ass handed to him and if it weren't for shield and soul powers, Scorpion beat him to a pulp first.

not a chance, he will shield himself before Scorpion can do most of this, even during the punch and while being punched he can shield easily, Scoprion has nothing on kain, not at all, he has a pathetic Kunai thing which is a fairly slow creature from his hand, can someone show me it, all ive seen is him using it in the films and it takes ages to come out of his hand it seems in the first place, but thats just the films, id like to see the games since it cant be that slow in them

either way its gonna end up cut off, one strike and scorpion is obliterated by the reaver, even if he comes back, also what states he can come back ime curious? does he come back like kain, is anything stated he can never die or do u assume?

Kain can do a lot more to scorpion, he could TK anything Scorpion has out of his hands, be it a weapon, i thought he has some sort of sword, scorpions lava and flame attacks are going to be to minimal effects if anything, especially the fire from his fire punch.....so what if he throws kain in the lava? thats just giving kain the oppotunity to cast his spells, not that he would be thrown in the lava, id be surprised if the Kunai went through kain and threw him anywhere before the shield comes up


Kain 8/10 but i give scorpion a chance for fairness, but it would be likely kain every time out of 10 fights

well...Scorpion is a Spectre...
shouldn't the Soul Reaver just devour him ?

thats another thing i thought about but Furion ignored it, one slash or simple by going near him and Raziel has swallowed Scoprion whole, Kain has almost every way to beat him

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The hellfire punch is pretty instantaneous. There's virtually zero time between disappearance and reappearance.

It definitely doesn't take a full second for him to reappear.
not to reappear, to hit..he moves backwards slightly, disappears, reappears and hits...definately not instantaneous..fast, to be sure, but not as fast as kain's shield..
and i said it takes more like a full second, rather than instant like everybody believes..
anyways, its irrelevant..

technically nothing is instananous, especially not the way ive heard Scoprions thing to be, the fact he teleports at all and punches means its not instaneous, hes going to teleport just as Kain swings the blade and hell get sucked into it, a spectre taken by Raziel

Originally posted by Burning thought
technically nothing is instananous, especially not the way ive heard Scoprions thing to be, the fact he teleports at all and punches means its not instaneous, hes going to teleport just as Kain swings the blade and hell get sucked into it, a spectre taken by Raziel The way you've heard?

You're just going by what MadMel has said, ignoring the other three discriptions.

The attack is near instantaneous, if not instantaneous. Just as soon as he disappears, he reappears, simultaneously striking his opponent. There's even an after-image where he used to be.

Originally posted by 123KID
well...Scorpion is a Spectre...
shouldn't the Soul Reaver just devour him ? More fuel to the fire...

I don't know if Kain wins this one or not, (yes, the Kunai is pretty slow in almost every game I've played except perhaps MK Shaolin Monks wherein he was a boss, mainly for gameplay purposes) but I'm not just taking BT's word for it; he thinks Kain can beat everyone in existance.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The way you've heard?

You're just going by what MadMel has said, ignoring the other three discriptions.

The attack is near instantaneous, if not instantaneous. Just as soon as he disappears, he reappears, simultaneously striking his opponent. There's even an after-image where he used to be.

More fuel to the fire...

I don't know if Kain wins this one or not, (yes, the Kunai is pretty slow in almost every game I've played except perhaps MK Shaolin Monks wherein he was a boss, mainly for gameplay purposes) but I'm not just taking BT's word for it; he thinks Kain can beat everyone in existance.

not really, kain imo can beat many beings especially all beings likely short of supreme or omnipotence like abilities or nifty abilities much like kains that they can do quickly to defeat kain, but Scoprion is nothing to most beings kain has gone up against in this forum and i can debate against those, simply because i can debate against something the fans like means it cant be true? no.....

Kain has more ways to beat scorpion easily, he has the abilities so you dont have to take my word....look them up, their prob posted 101 times in other threads, ive taken peoples words on scorpion thats for sure, infact theres no scorpion information short of word of mouth in this thread

This is YOUNG KAIN! remember. not uber super king o' the gods Kain. Hellfire is almost completely instant. Scorpion is bound to the Netherrealm I thinks. His way out usually is some revenge thingy or something like that. Though he came out in MKT by Shao Kahn partially merging Earthrealm with Outworld. And in MK4 when Quan Chi promised Scorpion life. If Scorpion kicked Kain into one of the lava pits in hell, no chance of getting out. Scorpion can get out by Kunai but no other way.
Movie Scorp is just sad. The kunai is way faster in the games.

i know this is young kain, if it was God kain id be insulted and feel this was uber spite and prob report it, and thats if this was teh mortal kombat universe VS kain

2 people who would beat the crap out of Kain: 1.Smoke: has the ability to blow up planets with bombs. 2. Elder God Raiden: Can't take his body or soul because he's A FREAKING GOD!

Scorpion can probably just teleport all over the place, breathe fire, spear, teleport some more.



Just like on MUGEN.


One reason why I set him as last boss.

Originally posted by Furion
2 people who would beat the crap out of Kain: 1.Smoke: has the ability to blow up planets with bombs. 2. Elder God Raiden: Can't take his body or soul because he's A FREAKING GOD! Soul taking is overrated anyway.

Besides, In MK Tsung steals peoples souls during fights all the time. It doesn't kill 'em, it just does damage.

Why should Kain taking their soul be any different?

because it destroys the body in the process, the only exception being when he possesses them

Originally posted by Furion
2 people who would beat the crap out of Kain: 1.Smoke: has the ability to blow up planets with bombs. 2. Elder God Raiden: Can't take his body or soul because he's A FREAKING GOD!


how would they possibly beat kain, so what if he can blow up planets? kain is not a planet, he wouldnt be touched by said bombs, and if he blew up the planet then whats he going to do? Kain could Dimension port somewhere else and this guy would basically kill half the MK unvierse i bet by blowing the planet their on

cant take his body or soul? just because he is a God? thats bad logic, God is a title, kain has the God title before by his underlings and Demi God, so what? that doesnt make him immune to anything, God is a word and a title, prove to me they cannot be taken

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Soul taking is overrated anyway.

Besides, In MK Tsung steals peoples souls during fights all the time. It doesn't kill 'em, it just does damage.

Why should Kain taking their soul be any different?

not really, in what gameplay? how is having your soul ripped out, the very essence of your being overrated? its possibly the most powerful 1v1 thing a being can do to another

then his powers are not stealing their soul and is this gameplay? when is this shown in a cinematic please that he takes a soul and they just take damage?

because ime not talking about gameplay, if you lose your soul your in deep trouble, your not just going to take a little damage, thats gameplay what your talking about it seems

Originally posted by Burning thought
because ime not talking about gameplay, if you lose your soul your in deep trouble, your not just going to take a little damage, thats gameplay what your talking about it seems Why aren't we talking about gameplay? What else is there to talk about?

That's the only canon to go by for MK.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why aren't we talking about gameplay? What else is there to talk about?

That's the only canon to go by for MK.


gameplay is what your talking about, the in-game damage system, what we usually talk about is cinematics, whats happened in cinematics, canon films and other fiction thats connceted to a game character who originated in a game, abilities are canon, all of the powers in MC can be canon but the amount of damage they do is not because that is a part of the gameplay, for example even some humans in MK normal humans i bet can survive things in the game that in real life could never survive, but because its gameplay, they somehow can, like the soul damaging thing you spoke of, or Scorpions hellfire punch, ime sure one of those would kill a character in one shot in real life, especially if its human that is but in the game, it probably doesnt (or is that one in peticulour a fatality?)

1. HMMM, if you blow up a planet in real life, I'm sure that all life on the surface would be extinguished. 5 year olds know that.
2. No it's not a title, he is a god. Like unkillable god. Kain is not a real god, not a being of a higher plane. Raiden is. Raiden >>>>>>>>> Kain.

Originally posted by Furion
1. HMMM, if you blow up a planet in real life, I'm sure that all life on the surface would be extinguished. 5 year olds know that.
2. No it's not a title, he is a god. Like unkillable god. Kain is not a real god, not a being of a higher plane. Raiden is. Raiden >>>>>>>>> Kain.

1. Kains a vampire, hes already dead.....and doing that would kill most of the MK combatants leaving kain floating in space before he dimensions to another realm, possibly taking the thing with him just to kill it there, not that he couldnt defeat it quickly before it can do anything

2. being a God is a title, simply show me his feats, if your just throwing around his title as a God then you phail, if youve got feats to backup his power, then show me please

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Kains a vampire, hes already dead.....and doing that would kill most of the MK combatants leaving kain floating in space before he dimensions to another realm, possibly taking the thing with him just to kill it there, not that he couldnt defeat it quickly before it can do anything

2. being a God is a title, simply show me his feats, if your just throwing around his title as a God then you phail, if youve got feats to backup his power, then show me please

1. Scorpion's dead, guess he can't be killed. Noob's dead, guess he can't be killed. Liu Kang's dead, guess he can't be killed.

2. In Raiden's first MK ending, he got carried away and destroyed Earth by fighting. Raiden's ZOMGUBEREMO blast blows up giant buildings and kills instant. Raiden is immortal and if defeated will just return to his magical heaven place. Raiden has control of Thunder (THUNDER GOD). That's his feats as a lesser god. His highest ranking is Elder God and those guys kinda created the realms.

Originally posted by Furion
1. Scorpion's dead, guess he can't be killed. Noob's dead, guess he can't be killed. Liu Kang's dead, guess he can't be killed.

2. In Raiden's first MK ending, he got carried away and destroyed Earth by fighting. Raiden's ZOMGUBEREMO blast blows up giant buildings and kills instant. Raiden is immortal and if defeated will just return to his magical heaven place. Raiden has control of Thunder (THUNDER GOD). That's his feats as a lesser god. His highest ranking is Elder God and those guys kinda created the realms.

1. maybe they cannot be "killed" but defeated, and blowing up a planet is not helping anyone

2. Those are bad feats, destroying the Earth is fairly powerful but doesnt add up to true godhood, its a feat many characters in other fictions can replicated easily, he does not >>>>kain by a long shot, kain>>>>>>MK universe, most of them for sure he would destroy

1. told you, he is usually more of a lesser god. cept for when he went Elder God. I'd like to see Kain destroy a planet.

thats the thing he wouldnt need to, he could simply destroy everyone on it, get stronger in doing so thanks to their blood and with it their strength and abilities like he does to all his vampire leutenants by drinking their veins and taking their soul/essence as youve seen in BO 2

he would take Raidens power and then destroy a planet, but he doesnt need to break planets to break Raiden or any other MK being

OK go have Kain take Zeus's or Thor's power. who could easily just zap Kain from the Heavens with a thunder bolt. ZAAPAPPP!
on a side note: Besides Raziel, Ariel is my fav LOK character. I just love how her eyes go when Raziel starts taunting her. I need to get Defiance.

Originally posted by Furion
OK go have Kain take Zeus's or Thor's power. who could easily just zap Kain from the Heavens with a thunder bolt. ZAAPAPPP!
on a side note: Besides Raziel, Ariel is my fav LOK character. I just love how her eyes go when Raziel starts taunting her. I need to get Defiance.

lol Zeus or Thor would give Kain an excellent power boost, Kain already has some lighting power and with the concept of nature at his finger with the nature emblem of the pillars he is theoretically incredible with lighting for sure, but with zeus' and Thors powers in him, geeez, he could prob blow planets with the power of lightning blasts if he had all their power

defiance is a pretty good game, i wish all the games had as many powers as the first game tho, the developers seemed to removed most of the powers only giving the player to a few, i mean for example in Blood omen 2 which youve played you can jump far when you want to cant ya, you can jump at a guard or across a chasm, only in Defiance there are special places where you can only jump from, same when turning to bats

i think they should make a LOK game, new graphics, new engine....keep the storyline and carry on and keep kain with all his old and new abilities so players have access to many powers, it cant be that difficult

Kain in the original game could just throw up his shield and chaos armor and they'd kill themselves trying to harm him.

yes indeed, and it was definatley quick for him to do it too, he was certainly formidable in BO 1 when the devlopers actually allowed him use of all his powers

however ime not sure if kain would be allowed the Chaos armour in VS battles, i mean its sorta is his armour but hes not worn it since BO 1 and its not like he has it around all the time hmm other cool items that would allow Kain to beat almost any entity, however lost now

1. Thor's and Zeus control over Lightning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kain's.
These are the gods of thunder. Kain would be walking around when ZAP!
2.Should go with my idea.

Originally posted by Furion
1. Thor's and Zeus control over Lightning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kain's.
These are the gods of thunder. Kain would be walking around when ZAP!
2.Should go with my idea.

1. Zap and they hit his shield and their power is reflected back and hits them i the face, then kain rips their souls, and drains their blood, gainging all their power, also what makes you think they >>kain?

Technically he has the control over the very concept of weather itself and energy, much more than just lightning as well, his lightning before he gained the emblem of weather and energy could initially blow every enemy on the screen and maybe further with a single shot for each character, blasted to pieces, normal lightning cannot even do that usually

Because THEY ARE THE GODS OF LIGHTNING! Do you know how fast Lightning travels? It would toast Kain before he could even realize he's been hit.
Zeus's lightning isn't normal.

Originally posted by Furion
Because THEY ARE THE GODS OF LIGHTNING! Do you know how fast Lightning travels? It would toast Kain before he could even realize he's been hit.
Zeus's lightning isn't normal.

you put too much on the God title.....being a God does not make you absolute, id be surprised if a real lightning bolt did hardly any damage to kain at all, first he does not have a need for physical form, his organs being shocked, his hear (which no longer excists) would not be shocked like a humans would, id be surprised if it harmed him at all, Kain has direct power from the pillars of the concepts now, he would in Theory be able to do anything with lightning he wants to

what Zeus are we talking about? if were talking real mythology then the Greeks belived those thunderbolts were what Zeus was throwing when lightning hit, so his lightning is normal in real mythology

In Soul Reaver 1, when Raziel fights Kain, Kain shoots Raziel with lightning (I think) Raziel is made from Kain so shouldn't Raziel be immune to Lightning? HAH!
Kain would still get hit and it would hurt alot.
in Soul Reaver 2, Raziel can be forced in the spectral realm by LIGHTNING!

Originally posted by Furion
In Soul Reaver 1, when Raziel fights Kain, Kain shoots Raziel with lightning (I think) Raziel is made from Kain so shouldn't Raziel be immune to Lightning? HAH!
Kain would still get hit and it would hurt alot.
in Soul Reaver 2, Raziel can be forced in the spectral realm by LIGHTNING!

1. no....also thats not likely neccerily lightning, it could be an energy blast, an average soul beam etc etc, also raziel is given life through kains soul, which indeed makes him strong but Kains sons are not static are they, they evolve and become incredibly diffrent, some gaining gifts like immunity to water that kain does not even have at the time (although he has all the power back now, so he should be immune ot water now)

how would it hurt? whats hurting him, first hes a vampire in a walking corspe and he doesnt exactley complain much after having his heart torn out, lightning wont hurt him mucch

can you show me where this happened? Raziel usually goes spectoral because his bodily form is destroyed, so if thats true, this is not normal lightning and if its not true, then its likely some other form of energy power

Liu Kang is a zombie but he can be hurt by lightning. In that one place where Raziel fights Kain if you wait too late and run up to Kain, He zapps you and you go spectral. Many times in Soul Reaver 2 there are lightning attacks that hurt Raziel.
That heart wasn't his, it was Janos's heart.

Originally posted by Furion
Liu Kang is a zombie but he can be hurt by lightning. In that one place where Raziel fights Kain if you wait too late and run up to Kain, He zapps you and you go spectral. Many times in Soul Reaver 2 there are lightning attacks that hurt Raziel.
That heart wasn't his, it was Janos's heart.


i know all this, why are you telling me things i know.....but what hes fireing it doesnt say, wether it be a soul blast, lightning or other, "shrug" i dont remember any canon lightning attacks that put Raziel in Spectoral, i remember all kinds of bright magic and such, or do you mean those eye things or faces over doors that you have to shoot?

yes thats basic knowledge for anyone, what relevence is this? kain has no heart in his body, it is the very essence of kains excistence yet he can live without it (because hes the scion, he cant die) that represents his undeath and why he is alive, and he no longer has a heart...lightning is unlikely to do much to kain, real lightning anyway

No, they are enemies in SR2 that have taser like things and they shock Raziel. it does a pretty good amount of damage.
You haven't even proved lightning wouldn't harm Kain. Prove it.

Originally posted by Furion
No, they are enemies in SR2 that have taser like things and they shock Raziel. it does a pretty good amount of damage.
You haven't even proved lightning wouldn't harm Kain. Prove it.

its logic that tells us, how can i prove lightning cannot specifically harm kain with a clip when hes never even hit with lightning, but we know in canon he takes out Dejoule the energist who uses pure energy and can kill just by standing near someone, so she wears a coat, well strangely she took it off and used her full power on kain....he won..not even harmed, same with fighting the Druid, he had control over Nature which btw includes lightning (natural force)

its logic, that if a normal human can survive lightning sometimes, or even just get off without much more than burns, they can survive and many people do if stuck by lightning and they have organs that can be harmed, Kain has not, kain has not got these things, kain is more durable, stronger and overall more resistent to attack than a human is, a noraml lightning bolt could not harm Kain or Raziel

So Seph has never been tossed into the sun. Guess we can assume Seph can't be hurt by that. Scorpion never got his soul punted out of his body and got possessed. Guess we can assume he is invulnerable to that. Zeus keeps zapping kain till he's a black splortch on the ground. Shield won't due squat since is seriously doubt the lightning bolt would return to the heavens from that range.

Originally posted by Furion
So Seph has never been tossed into the sun. Guess we can assume Seph can't be hurt by that. Scorpion never got his soul punted out of his body and got possessed. Guess we can assume he is invulnerable to that. Zeus keeps zapping kain till he's a black splortch on the ground. Shield won't due squat since is seriously doubt the lightning bolt would return to the heavens from that range.

what? now your flailing about in a falling argument, you didnt read the rest of what i posted, no point in debating lightning that does not always kill humans VS a vampire many levels in durability to a human without a need for physical form anyway....

no Zeus zaps and hits the ground, only to realise kain had dimension warped behind him and he now has the reaver in his stomach, he dies.....kain takes his power..the end..

shield wont do anything? from that range? thats simply a guess, we dont know anything about range, the shield is not changed by range, also the shield will protect kain, which is the main use of the shield

HAHHAAHHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA! When you see lightning it is actually going up from the ground as it's already hit it's target. Kain doesn't have those kind of reaction speeds. Kain gets fried. You Phail at saying Kain kills a freaking God who if actually got up to Heaven would get picked up by the head and squished between the fingers.
Saying Kain killes a god is fanboyism. Kain couldn't kill the Elder God so he sure as hell couldn't kill Zeus. Thor would just smash Kain across the face with his enchanted hammer.

kratos owned zeus in gow2
kain beats kratos..
by A>B>C logic, kain should beat zeus..but as we all know, abc doesnt always work..
also, the elder god retreated (and by retreat i mean he nearly collapsed an entire city while digging downwards) before kain could kill him..he forced kain into escaping before he got crushed..

Kain wasn't close to killing the Elder God
he hit ONE of its eyes and cut up a bunch of its tentacles
the thing seems to have a limitless number of eyes and tentacles
what we saw might not even be its full body or real body
something like a brain or whatnot by be lower in the planet
if there's another LOK game and Kain does kill the Elder God i'm pretty sure he'll haver a powerup or something to accomplish it

powerup = soul reaver..
i doubt theres a force in the LOK universe strongr than the reaver..

he doesnt need a powerup, the game would just have to be written with all his own powers he already has, in the games you seem to only be given small portions of kains power, in the next one we should be easily be able to control all of kains functions, ime sure they can figuire something out, i mean teleportation, long distance jump and bats shouldnt rly just be places on the ground letting you do it, you should be able to acitvate it while playing

the Reaver caused tremendous pain to the EG, i dont know if it has a soul or not but its spirit or whatever makes its conciousness was in great pain, you could hear its yelps as it got its eye hit, i think kain would be hard pressed to kill it unless the developers let him have full control over the concepts he now has at his disposal, time, dimension, energy etc etcl, the reaver as madmel says is more than enough

Furion, stop being ridiculous, having the label God means nothing, simple.....Kain would destroy Kratos, and would destroy Zeus just as Kratos did, actually so much easier, because kain has countless more abilities than Kratos has (well i could prob count but hey, i cba), the "freaking God" would have to have feats more than just being a God

No you're being silly. I'm guessing Kain could kill God too. And he can kill the Devil. And he can kill every Arch Angel. Kratos won because of his pure rage and the fact he had uber god powerz too. Don't know how Kain kills Kratos. Kratos steps on Kain and laughs. Zeus would simply zap Kain at the speed of light and smoke his ass. How about Zeus striking his father down. How about being the most powerful god of a group of gods that could destroy the world.

Originally posted by Furion
No you're being silly. I'm guessing Kain could kill God too. And he can kill the Devil. And he can kill every Arch Angel. Kratos won because of his pure rage and the fact he had uber god powerz too. Don't know how Kain kills Kratos. Kratos steps on Kain and laughs. Zeus would simply zap Kain at the speed of light and smoke his ass. How about Zeus striking his father down. How about being the most powerful god of a group of gods that could destroy the world.

what? wtf.......whats God or the Devil to do with Zeus, Christian God would destroy every parthanon at the same time from the ancient days...Kratos won because he tricked Zeus like a coward, nothing to do with rage, he has no feats of "uber God powers" thats your silly assumptions again of the title "God" which in GOW has only proven to mean your bones dont break and your flesh does not burn. How Kain kills Kratos, now your being completly blind, your saying fanboyish and blind things like he just steps on kain? how would kain with his many abilities, ime not going to debate that bad comment. Speed of light? Zeus has never moved that fast
i cant remember that part, in GOW who says they can all destroy the world? when did that happen?...Zeus used to full power of the blade of Olympus to defeat the Titans.."God" is a title, learn that and you realise why simply shouting "his a freaking God" means little

Guess what? Lightning travels at the speed of light. (or around there.) Zeus hurls thunderbolt after thunderbolt at Kain till he has to reform.
Zeus is a uber god. Zeus killed Cronos who in turn killed Uranus (HAHAHAGSAA).
Uranus created the universe. ZOMG! YOU FAILZOZ
Umm by steping on Kain. Kain's abilities would do diddly squat on Kratos seeing as how he's bigger, stronger, and more angrier. Kain puts up shield. Kratos punts him into the Ocean. Since he didn't hurt Kain and just moved his body.
GOW is a game. Zeus in Mythology would wail everybody's ass.

Originally posted by Furion
Guess what? Lightning travels at the speed of light. (or around there.) Zeus hurls thunderbolt after thunderbolt at Kain till he has to reform.
Zeus is a uber god. Zeus killed Cronos who in turn killed Uranus (HAHAHAGSAA).
Uranus created the universe. ZOMG! YOU FAILZOZ
Umm by steping on Kain. Kain's abilities would do diddly squat on Kratos seeing as how he's bigger, stronger, and more angrier. Kain puts up shield. Kratos punts him into the Ocean. Since he didn't hurt Kain and just moved his body.
GOW is a game. Zeus in Mythology would wail everybody's ass.

if your talking about Zeus in Mythology then wtf..this is games VS, also Zeus in Mythology isnt that great and he is inconsistent, he gets all kinds of weird things happen to him, he even doesnt thunderbolt the earth because hes scared he will set light to the heavens....

227,000,000 m/s which is light VS 136,000 mph? you think lightning is as fast as light still? lmao......
thats A>B>C logic which fails anyway but all they do is cut eachothers genitals off half the time and Zeus does not kill Cronos, he is imprisoned last time i remember and Zeus gains the help of not only all his brothers and sisters but also the Hekagiaganties to fight the titans
Uranos created the universe? since when, hes a lord of the skies like Zeus was, the great Chaos seemed to create the universe, i dont remember the ancient Greeks even being knowledgable of the entire unvierse especially not like we can today

he wouldnt step on kain, kain is too fast, kain can teleport, kain can mist and Kratos will hit nothing but air, then have his soul ripped out of him, the same as all the Gods in GOW would have apart from maybe Hades. Kratos punt kain where? what use will this do....kain will teleport on Kratos back and one shot him with spirit death, or reaver out his eyes and the great GOW will fall...and if kain is wearing his Chaos armor Kratos breaks his own arm

Lol u are sad. If he was scared he would light the heavens on fire then that goes to show u it would have no trouble roasting Kain.
Can Kain react to things moving at those speeds? I seriously doubt it.
That's because Gods and Titans are immortal. They both cut they're fathers up into tiny pieces.
I'm seriously doubting if Kain can do all this soul crap that easy. on people with strong souls not weak souls like those in LOK.

no, your sad for bringing this stupid thing up in the first place...you couldnt face the fact that kain beats scorp, so you bring up this pointless kain vs zeus argument, just to spite BT and kain...
stop it (both of you) or im reporting, because this shit is getting stupid..

Furion make the thread, Kain VS zeus (gow zeus, it is game vs afterall)

If this is Champion of the Elder Gods Scorpion, he easily has this. If it's regular Scorpion, it might be tougher, but he still takes it.

Originally posted by BaneLover
If this is Champion of the Elder Gods Scorpion, he easily has this. If it's regular Scorpion, it might be tougher, but he still takes it. BT is going to rip out your soul. teehee

Then i'm going to spam BT.

Originally posted by Furion
Then i'm going to spam BT.
Not a good idea. droolio

Originally posted by BaneLover
If this is Champion of the Elder Gods Scorpion, he easily has this. If it's regular Scorpion, it might be tougher, but he still takes it.


lawls. i dont think ill rip out his soul, ill freeze him with TK, but thats about it, ripping out his soul would be a bit cruel

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How do we know if Kain can even rip out Scorp's soul? Isn't his soul bound to the Nether Realm. Even if the Reaver were to suck in Scorp, Scorp beats the hell out of Raziel because Raziel needs to weaken Scorp before he can suck him.

Scorp would never beat Raziel, Raziel is just as immortal as kain, only diffrence is Raziel can go into a timeless realm to regenrate on will and not be harmed by any outside force, and then go back into the material realm, and one Reaver slash would destroy scorp or drain his sepctre body into the reaver, hell, Raziel opens his Cowl.......all spectres in MK verse are Raziels

Right, I appreciate the humour going on here, I really do, but I'm not seeing any valid arguments for Kain winning this. CotEG Scorpion is arguably the most powerful fighter in the entire MK series (given how easily he was able to defeat Onaga who was powered by Shinnok's amulet and the six Kamidogu at the time), and when you have characters who aren't even top tier such as Noob Saibot being able to summon black holes, and characters like Taven who can freeze time and move at the speed of light, Scorpion's position among the fighters speaks volumes.

Originally posted by BaneLover
Right, I appreciate the humour going on here, I really do, but I'm not seeing any valid arguments for Kain winning this. CotEG Scorpion is arguably the most powerful fighter in the entire MK series (given how easily he was able to defeat Onaga who was powered by Shinnok's amulet and the six Kamidogu at the time), and when you have characters who aren't even top tier such as Noob Saibot being able to summon black holes, and characters like Taven who can freeze time and move at the speed of light, Scorpion's position among the fighters speaks volumes. You didn't say anything about Kain in that post. Only how bad-ass Scorp is.

Furion is actually presenting a decent argument.

1. Raziel would be in the Reaver. Wouldn't that mean he is already in the spectral realm. Raziel also has to find a portal to go back into the Material world.
2. Raziel has to weaken beings to suck them in.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You didn't say anything about Kain in that post. Only how bad-ass Scorp is.

Furion is actually presenting a decent argument.

I was substantiating Scorpion's relative level of power within his universe, and it's on a level beyond Kain's. There's not much more to say; young Kain hasn't displayed power anywhere near on the level that Scorpion's level of power is on, ergo he logically loses this, and quite badly.

Originally posted by Furion
1. Raziel would be in the Reaver. Wouldn't that mean he is already in the spectral realm. Raziel also has to find a portal to go back into the Material world.
2. Raziel has to weaken beings to suck them in.

what do you mean? he would be in the reaver? i mean the blade he has on his arm, he has his own soul round his arm doesnt he, not the physical blade, also thats a gmaeplay thing, the soul reaver 2 manual says Raziel can go into material and spectoral on a whim

the wraith blade touches the very soul itself, also when in somewhere other than gameplay does he have to weaker? the blade Raziel uses is like a lightsabre,the thing would go through a physical object and besides the point, Scorpion is a spectre, he will be absorbed, he just swallows spectres and souls

Originally posted by BaneLover
Right, I appreciate the humour going on here, I really do, but I'm not seeing any valid arguments for Kain winning this. CotEG Scorpion is arguably the most powerful fighter in the entire MK series (given how easily he was able to defeat Onaga who was powered by Shinnok's amulet and the six Kamidogu at the time), and when you have characters who aren't even top tier such as Noob Saibot being able to summon black holes, and characters like Taven who can freeze time and move at the speed of light, Scorpion's position among the fighters speaks volumes.

thats the problem tho, Scorpion has nothing over kain, show me his feats that would beat kain? just because he beats onaga where other beings have failed is A>B>C logic which ofcourse fails and there is no humour gooing on here

you fail to menstion and forget that kain has a weapon that could effectively one hit Scorpion, he has an invulerable shield, could be wearing Chaos armor and is likely to be doing so considering this is the exact time he would have it, so he could be in an invulerable shell, wearing armor that makes Scoprion damage himself with the same power he hits kain with, instead of kain feeling anything...scorpion would be crushed

1. srry didn't get the SR2 manuel since i got a used copy.
2. When Raziel goes spectre, There are those green monsters running around. If Raziel wants to suck them in, he has to beat the Sh*t out of them.
Also a sword in real life could 1 hit someone, Scorp just needs to dodge it and punt the crap out of him. That's what hellfire punch is for.

Originally posted by Furion
1. srry didn't get the SR2 manuel since i got a used copy.
2. When Raziel goes spectre, There are those green monsters running around. If Raziel wants to suck them in, he has to beat the Sh*t out of them.
Also a sword in real life could 1 hit someone, Scorp just needs to dodge it and punt the crap out of him. That's what hellfire punch is for.

1. nvm then, maybe ill upload it later where it says this

2. yeh their the Slaugh, but i dont rly know what they are, their not spectres, their odd creatures, just like underworld monsters

punting Raziel would be difficult, hes fast and incredibly agile, can go into spectoral at will so he would end up popping up all around Scorpion every time scoprion thinks hes won, Raziel appears out of nowhere, he can also go invisible with the Dark reaver, so he could defeat Scopion randomly from nowhere

? i've never seen Raziel go invisible.

Originally posted by Furion
? i've never seen Raziel go invisible.

sorry my mistake, its in Defiance, see

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverraz.php

OHHHHHHHHHH!

also Kain basically gains all of Raziels power and reavers by the end of the game, either in himself because thats where Raziels reaver ends up, and Raziels power and soul in the soureaver blade itself

so in this battle kain could do things raziel can, like making confusing Earth platforms, going invisible, etc etc, power over the elemetns like fire, that hellfire fist may not be such a good idea

contrary to the name, all it really is is A tele punch. a powerful tele punch.

i can tele punch!!, whats Scorpions gonna do? its a noob attack, my cat knows nastier fatalities than Scorpion would dream of

also wheres that Banelover got to, i want him to debate this!! i need to play the prophet and spread the word of kain to all newcomers

hell even the future worship kain, the brotherhood of Nod in Command and conquer praise kain "kain lives in death"

PFFF Fangirls >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brotherhood of Nod. Sephiroth is considered a minor religion.

Brotherhood of Nod are a religion for Kain!! and their in the future, even the whole of Nosgoth bows the kain!! Sephiroth loses, i mean honestly does sephiroth have any real followers? Kain even has his own sons without even needing sex, Sephiroth loses for not even being a Dad

In real life there are millions of fangirls who worship Sephiroth. And i'm dead F*cking serious. DEAD F*CKING SERIOUS.
What are you talking about Sephiroth has 3 sons. He can make them out of thin air.

Originally posted by Furion
In real life there are millions of fangirls who worship Sephiroth. And i'm dead F*cking serious. DEAD F*CKING SERIOUS.
What are you talking about Sephiroth has 3 sons. He can make them out of thin air.

pff real life is worse, you can kill real human beings, his fangirls will feel my wrath!, wheras you cant harm fiction, youd have to kill everyone who knows of it, including me and destroy all the writings to destroy it, and youd never defeat me!!!

pff his sons hate him, hes not a good father, kain gives his own soul for his boys

kain winz!!

In real life the fangirls could boycott and burn all copies of LOK. I don't think u can beat fangirls. These burn down buildings.
Since when do they hate him?

Originally posted by Furion
In real life the fangirls could boycott and burn all copies of LOK. I don't think u can beat fangirls. These burn down buildings.
Since when do they hate him?

pff LOK fans are crazy heavey metal goths and the like, they would beat upon Sephiroth fangirls, i made my thread in off-topic and within a few minutes i found a LOK girl!

i dunno but they dont love him as much as Kains lads love him

i dont even kno who Sephiroths sons are, who are his sons? the three in AC? they dont seem the most respectful sons

The Reunion was made to bring back Seph. They did all that just to bring him back. What good sons.
what thread.

Originally posted by Furion
The Reunion was made to bring back Seph. They did all that just to bring him back. What good sons.
what thread.
in the off-topic forum

Originally posted by Burning thought
thats the problem tho, Scorpion has nothing over kain,

With the exception of being a powerful figure in a setting where Kain would be a nobody?



Well there's his powerful sorcery, capable of summoning giant burning skulls that were capable of giving Taven a hard time in combat, and that's the regular powered Scorpion as well, not the Elder Gods' enhanced version.



A>B>C logic is hardly worthless when you can properly analyse the combatants involved and apply context.

Onaga is set up by the game makers as being a near unstoppable force of nature, storming into Shang Tsung's Palace and being able to completely shrug off whatever Raiden - a Thunder God - and Shang Tsung and Quan Chi - two immensely powerful sorcerers - could throw at him. He's hardly even phased by Raiden's sudden release of his energies, which was able to completely obliterate everyone (excluding Onaga) in what can be seen as something like a one mile radius. He then gets his hands on Shinnok's amulet, making him even more powerful.

Yet Scorpion, in his officially canon ending was able to singlehandedly take out all of his henchmen, and easily annihilate the Dragon King. It's even stated that with the enhancements that the Elder Gods gave him, he was the only one with the power to defeat Onaga. He's easily one of the most powerful beings in the entire mythos, and given that this is a setting where mid tiers can summon black holes, and top tiers can move at the speed of light and freeze time, it speaks heavily for Scorpion's level of power.

Kain honestly can't compare.



Prove it. The weapon's one hit kill nature is exclusive to its setting. Scorpion, coming from a different setting, is not bound by the same rules. Not to mention, you're ignoring the fact that as a fighter, Scorpion is logically leagues above Kain, and that he wouldn't logically be able to even land a hit on the ninja.



Again, invulnerable within the setting. Scorpion, being a top tier within a setting where mid tiers can summon black holes, and it's questionable whether the armour would be able to stand up to his sorcery.



Again, you can't prove that the armour would be able to reflect power not subject to the rules of that particular setting. The MK verse is so ridiculously more impressive than the LoK setting that it's unlikely that such rules would apply to one of MK's more powerful warriors and sorcerers.

Originally posted by BaneLover
With the exception of being a powerful figure in a setting where Kain would be a nobody?



Well there's his powerful sorcery, capable of summoning giant burning skulls that were capable of giving Taven a hard time in combat, and that's the regular powered Scorpion as well, not the Elder Gods' enhanced version.



A>B>C logic is hardly worthless when you can properly analyse the combatants involved and apply context.

Onaga is set up by the game makers as being a near unstoppable force of nature, storming into Shang Tsung's Palace and being able to completely shrug off whatever Raiden - a Thunder God - and Shang Tsung and Quan Chi - two immensely powerful sorcerers - could throw at him. He's hardly even phased by Raiden's sudden release of his energies, which was able to completely obliterate everyone (excluding Onaga) in what can be seen as something like a one mile radius. He then gets his hands on Shinnok's amulet, making him even more powerful.

Yet Scorpion, in his officially canon ending was able to singlehandedly take out all of his henchmen, and easily annihilate the Dragon King. It's even stated that with the enhancements that the Elder Gods gave him, he was the only one with the power to defeat Onaga. He's easily one of the most powerful beings in the entire mythos, and given that this is a setting where mid tiers can summon black holes, and top tiers can move at the speed of light and freeze time, it speaks heavily for Scorpion's level of power.

Kain honestly can't compare.



Prove it. The weapon's one hit kill nature is exclusive to its setting. Scorpion, coming from a different setting, is not bound by the same rules. Not to mention, you're ignoring the fact that as a fighter, Scorpion is logically leagues above Kain, and that he wouldn't logically be able to even land a hit on the ninja.



Again, invulnerable within the setting. Scorpion, being a top tier within a setting where mid tiers can summon black holes, and it's questionable whether the armour would be able to stand up to his sorcery.



Again, you can't prove that the armour would be able to reflect power not subject to the rules of that particular setting. The MK verse is so ridiculously more impressive than the LoK setting that it's unlikely that such rules would apply to one of MK's more powerful warriors and sorcerers.


hahaha, well first rule, number one, this is a thread with Kain in it, which means ime going to win anyway, so in games VS, dont try it but ime joking, if nobody tried id get bored but seriously:

kain would be a nobody? how so? please tell me, does Onaga have a soul? anyone who knows Kain knows what i would say next if Onaga does hehe......

wow thats impressive, burning skulls you say? Kains going ot be running for his life, with a hand gesture kain can make the very body of his victim explode in fire

simply because he is one of the strongest in the Mythos does not mean anything, also freezing time, summoning blackholes, did the characters try this on Onaga in canon? also what did Scorpion do to win?

Kain can, Kain can also freeze beings in time, create invulerable shields and etc etc

no its not exclusive to its setting, he would one hit scorpion because A, hes a spectre without even a soul to protect him, he would be the reavers with a slash, but a normal physical being would be blasted to pieces by the soul energies of the reaver, just like it does to a human, one hit on Scorpion unless you can prove he has uber durability and Scoprions going to be harmed bad even if without being human. Logically ownt be able to land a hit, Kain is faster than any human on a basis, once he gains powers of telekinesis he could hold Scorpion so hitting him wont be a problem, further more Kain can jump great distances and quickly, turn into mist or more importantly cannot die anyway, he can also call lighnting to destroy his enemies as well as damage the minds of foes. Kain needs one time blast (Furion i cant remember did u take away kains time powers?)

Invuelrable within the setting? no its stated as invulerable by the spell, saying its any diffrent in a diffrent setting is the same as me saying well in LOK Scorpions strongest punch wouldnt harm a Sarafan warrior, just because he is among the top tiers, doesnt mean he is greater than black holes anyway.....stand up to his sorcery, show me when he has negated an armor that would make him harm himself through his attacks?

your talking rubbish again, rules of the peticulour setting, the armor doesnt have any rules against its use, if its hit, damage reflected, spell hits it, damage reflected....scoprion punches it full blast, he breaks his own hand....unlikely just because you think its more impressive? so what? the EG>>>any MK elder God...by far, its an imaterial planet sized being who can spin the fates and lives of others.....you think thats lesser than MK? lawls, LOK characters some of them with incredible power over the very concepts Mortal Kombat users drool over, their souls will be kains

as will Scoprions spectre body

Originally posted by Burning thought
hahaha, well first rule, number one, this is a thread with Kain in it, which means ime going to win anyway, so in games VS, dont try it WTF lol

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
WTF lol



well i didnt come up with it, BlaxionHydra said it, i found it funny so ill say it from now on

Originally posted by Burning thought
BlaxionHydra

Blaxion is a joker

Originally posted by Burning thought
Blaxion

1. You can't F*ck with those Skulls.
2. Scorpion has a soul. If he didn't he wouldn't care about his wife and child or his clan. Which he does. Also if he doesn't have a soul explain how he revives at the Nether Realm if he dies?
3. Left Time powers on because If Scorpion Hellfire punches him it's over. Kain will be tossed into the lava and he will DIE!

Originally posted by Furion
1. You can't F*ck with those Skulls.
2. Scorpion has a soul. If he didn't he wouldn't care about his wife and child or his clan. Which he does. Also if he doesn't have a soul explain how he revives at the Nether Realm if he dies?
3. Left Time powers on because If Scorpion Hellfire punches him it's over. Kain will be tossed into the lava and he will DIE!

1. the skulls are food for slaugh

2. i meant if he had a soul, he would be fair game for kain, if he had one in him that is, but he does not have a soul inside him does he? so hes just a spectre?

3. Kain cant die.....we already know that,as if a hellfire punch would launch kain into the lava anyway, if hes supposed to be as strong as he is, ripping through Onaga, hed prob rip through kain, who would go ethereal or reform then strike back, but kain is too fast, even as young kain, kain wont be easily hit, Scorp is likely so much more skilled but when it comes to speed ive seen no scorpion feat and kain has the strength to jump long distances for strategic purposes

Is Kain especially vulnerable to lava, or something?

no "shrug" , i think Furion said it for a joke or something

Kain when he was first a vampire walked through the fires of hte underworld itself and not even harmed a tiny bit, he didnt even get a mark on him, so he is surely got more resistence to heat than anything else

young kain is more vulerable to water, put them in a water setting, like a large water mass, a deep river or something and Scorpion has a way of at least causing kain some pain

Originally posted by Burning thought
no "shrug" , i think Furion said it for a joke or something

Kain when he was first a vampire walked through the fires of hte underworld itself and not even harmed a tiny bit, he didnt even get a mark on him, so he is surely got more resistence to heat than anything else

young kain is more vulerable to water, put them in a water setting, like a large water mass, a deep river or something and Scorpion has a way of at least causing kain some pain Ok.

What if Scorpion put Kain in a submission hold?

Could Scorpion win by tap-out?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Ok.

What if Scorpion put Kain in a submission hold?

Could Scorpion win by tap-out?

not really, i mean how would he do it? hold him in submission hold?

kain can turn into mist and suck through scorpions arms, or he could just teleport, and its not going to be an easy feat to catch kain let alone grip him in a hold sturdy enough to keep him there for an amount of time

Originally posted by Burning thought
not really, i mean how would he do it? hold him in submission hold?

kain can turn into mist and suck through scorpions arms, or he could just teleport, and its not going to be an easy feat to catch kain let alone grip him in a hold sturdy enough to keep him there for an amount of time What if Scorpion makes it rain? A lot?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What If Scorpion makes it rain? A lot?

nothing will happen, only large bodies of water can truly do anything to kain, or running water, which rain does not count as, things like rivers and streams can burn kain like acid, but they dont do too much damage and wouldnt kill him, but getting him to go in the water would be a problem all together

Originally posted by Burning thought
nothing will happen, only large bodies of water can truly do anything to kain, or running water, which rain does not count as, things like rivers and streams can burn kain like acid, but they dont do too much damage and wouldnt kill him, but getting him to go in the water would be a problem all together What if it rains so much, that there's a flood? That's running water.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What if it rains so much, that there's a flood? That's running water.

what lol?

ive never heard of Scoprion even making it rain, when has he dont this, a flood? lol......the original setting is the Netherealm with fire, so the likelyness of being a flood is probably zero

it would at most make kain feel some pain thats for sure, but the time it would have to take to make a flood, kain could easily defeat Scorp

I wouldn't matter if Kain is invulnerable or not, Kain wouldn't be able to get out. Mist would be mentally retarded and anyways prove Kain is Invulnerable to MOLTEN LAVA! As in touch it and you disintegrate.

Originally posted by Burning thought
what lol?

ive never heard of Scoprion even making it rain, when has he dont this, a flood? lol......the original setting is the Netherealm with fire, so the likelyness of being a flood is probably zero

it would at most make kain feel some pain thats for sure, but the time it would have to take to make a flood, kain could easily defeat Scorp Obviously, Scorpion could do a rain dance.

Kain would probably get washed away in the torrent.

Originally posted by Furion
I wouldn't matter if Kain is invulnerable or not, Kain wouldn't be able to get out. Mist would be mentally retarded and anyways prove Kain is Invulnerable to MOLTEN LAVA! As in touch it and you disintegrate.

i dont know about immune, i cant imagine Scorp even getting kain in the lava but kain has felt the fires of hell itself as well, so the lava isnt likely to melt him like it would a human, he seems far far more resistent to heat, and he could mist anyway like in any situation he may be in danger, or he would just reform elseware, remember he cant die, melting him away wouldnt work in that case, Scorp would have to try and not allow kain to come near to the probability of dieing otherwise kain would simply burst and reform or some other way of reforming, bats may be a good example as well

Originally posted by Burning thought
i dont know about immune, i cant imagine Scorp even getting kain in the lava but kain has felt the fires of hell itself as well, so the lava isnt likely to melt him like it would a human, he seems far far more resistent to heat, and he could mist anyway like in any situation he may be in danger, or he would just reform elseware, remember he cant die, melting him away wouldnt work in that case, Scorp would have to try and not allow kain to come near to the probability of dieing otherwise kain would simply burst and reform or some other way of reforming, bats may be a good example as well

Scorpion rain-dances FTW.

Why can't Kain die? Does that have something to do with his destiny or whatever?

Ok i have had enough of this cheap ass "reforming". From now on in my threads if Kain has to reform he loses. That should atleast make it fair. Kain goes mist in a place where Scorpion could simply hellfire it. LMFAO

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Scorpion rain-dances FTW.

Why can't Kain die? Does that have something to do with his destiny or whatever?

lol

and yes sorta, the scion of balance simply cannot die for some reason no matter what happens, even the source of his excistence, the heart of darkness was ripped out and he lived, but apprently he just cant die, he even says the reaver is hte only weapon that can kill him, unfortunatley that turned out to be false because they were both under the illusion they were created to fight eachother and Raziels reaver blade win, yet this was not true, Raziel was both the champions somehow, and Kain was the Scion ,so simply, kain just cant die

Originally posted by Furion
Ok i have had enough of this cheap ass "reforming". From now on in my threads if Kain has to reform he loses. That should atleast make it fair. Kain goes mist in a place where Scorpion could simply hellfire it. LMFAO

lol okie, but how would hellfireing mist do anything? i mean you can see kain mist, he is still physical and material at the same time, and since he is in hell, it would be even more to kains advantage because he could spring forth frm the mist, because the smoke of hell will enshroud him, Scorpion wouldnt even know where kain was...it wold be brilliant for kain

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol

and yes sorta, the scion of balance simply cannot die
I thought the Scion of Balance was a girl.

no smoke in hell. You need little oxygen for smoke and apparently lots of oxygen.
(must have a HUGE greenery somewhere.)
the mist would turn to nothing. It would dissolve as the fire would eat it.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I thought the Scion of Balance was a girl.

hehe no lol, theres only ever been one scion of balance which is kain, the women Ariel is the Guardian of balance which is diffrent, shes the old guardian of balance, Kain is the new Guardian of balance who controls magic of Nosgoth, hes like a fountain of magic energy within him, but he is also the Scion of balance

Originally posted by Furion
no smoke in hell. You need little oxygen for smoke and apparently lots of oxygen.
(must have a HUGE greenery somewhere.)
the mist would turn to nothing. It would dissolve as the fire would eat it.

since when did fire eat mist? all fire can do is turn water to steam but it wouldnt turn kains mist into nothing, nothing turns something into nothing, theres always a process, kains mist is not even normal mist, for example he doesnt get blown around as his mist form, its still kain only hes become intangible