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We have all been exciting, well i have for Star Wars the force unleashed game where you play as Darth Vader's Secret Apprentice whcih is a character in EU. What if he with all the powers from the game went toe to toe against NJO Luke who would win

Luke.

We don't know enough about the apprentice, though anyone would assume NJO Luke beats him. What we know, however, is that the apprentice is extremely talented, he could be one of the best.

yes, what we have seen makes him promising, but against luke the most powerfull jedi in star wars history. he was able to defeate DE Sedious, of course with help from leia. However, this version of Luke if far more powefull.
The apprentice is powerful, but against luke he will stand no chance.

what the apprentice does in-game a.k.a what we do and how we do it with whatever powers we use while we control the apprentice in the game won't be canon, that is why there is a book coming out. So we will have a definite cannon source as to what exactly the apprentice does.

i know the gameplay is noncannon but take all the game powers against njo luke we don't know what if in the book he does all that

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
what the apprentice does in-game a.k.a what we do and how we do it with whatever powers we use while we control the apprentice in the game won't be canon, that is why there is a book coming out. So we will have a definite cannon source as to what exactly the apprentice does.

Wrong. It will be canon, my friend. That's like saying ROTS is not canon so that's why they wrote a novel of it.

And btw, we see him taking down a Star Destroyer on a trailer, not in-game. You can only change his Force powers and skills in-game, not the Force Potential of the apprentice itself.

Yeah if the apprentince could beat NJO Luke then there would be no Vader or Emperor by ANH.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yeah if the apprentince could beat NJO Luke then there would be no Vader or Emperor by ANH.

Well, as far as we know, he may choose redemption, or maybe to cut-off his connection to the Force, or maybe he is killed. We'll have to wait to know it for sure., or maybe he is killed. We'll have to wait to know it for sure.

EDIT

mistake ending 5

that could be a ending but non canon

actully all the endings are noncannon except 4 which i am postively that is what will happen

Actually I can see him being killed by Vader or Palpatine. Palpatine may order Vader to do away with his apprentice.

He's right.
The powers that he can use (pull, lift, warp + lightning) are Canon though.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Actually I can see him being killed by Vader or Palpatine. Palpatine may order Vader to do away with his apprentice. good point man, but the only thing is lucasarts say the apprentice is a eu character so maybe he'll die in one of the endings but it won't be the true cannon ending

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
everything you do in KOTOR is NOT canon because everyone can do it differently. same with force unleashed, what force powers you decide to use to do something may or may not be the same force power i use to do the same thing so whatever you do in game is NOT canon thats why there will also be a novelization
Yes, I didn't think about game mechanics, and true, those things may not be canon, but:



So, it is irrelevant. My point that the apprentice could be one of the best ever stands.

Originally posted by Skwalker891
i believe the apprentice taking down the star destroyer is cannon cause it is the cover on the novel

Yep it is canon. But if there was ever a contradiction between the novel and a cutscene the novel retcons the cutscene imo.

The game hasn't even been released yet. We saw the Star Destroyer crash in a promo trailer, not an in-game cutscene, so it's hardly a valid or - at this point - a remotely canon-supported argument. This can wait until TUF comes out and we can see for ourselves what he's capable of.

In any case, Skywalker probably pulls the moon out of his ass and drops it on the apprentice's head. NJO sucks.

retcons means overlapse right im not that smart really... or im just to lazy to look it up

Originally posted by Skwalker891
i believe the apprentice taking down the star destroyer is cannon cause it is the cover on the novel

That's what I'm saying.

Originally posted by Faunus
The game hasn't even been released yet. We saw the Star Destroyer crash in a promo trailer, not an in-game cutscene, so it's hardly a valid or - at this point - a remotely canon-supported argument. This can wait until TUF comes out and we can see for ourselves what he's capable of.

In any case, Skywalker probably pulls the moon out of his ass and drops it on the apprentice's head. NJO sucks.

No, it's not. The picture of the apprentice taking down a Star Destroyer is used as the cover on the novel. It wouldn't make sense to use it if it was not canon, would it?

well unless he was dreaming it which is stupid

Originally posted by Faunus
The game hasn't even been released yet. We saw the Star Destroyer crash in a promo trailer, not an in-game cutscene, so it's hardly a valid or - at this point - a remotely canon-supported argument. This can wait until TUF comes out and we can see for ourselves what he's capable of.

In any case, Skywalker probably pulls the moon out of his ass and drops it on the apprentice's head. NJO sucks.

I do believe Hayden Blackman pointed out in an interview on Youtube that the Force powers demonstrated would be "fully incorporated" into the game, and specifically cited that the Force-combat with a Star Destroyer would feature.

Originally posted by Gideon
I do believe Hayden Blackman pointed out in an interview on Youtube that the Force powers demonstrated would be "fully incorporated" into the game, and specifically cited that the Force-combat with a Star Destroyer would feature. so your basically saying all the powers the apprentice does is cannon?

Originally posted by Skwalker891
so your basically saying all the powers the apprentice does is cannon?

According to Hayden Blackman, yes.

well if the apprentice had the powers and they are cannon would he still have the power to step up to one of the greatest jedi's ever

all the powers that he uses are canon powers but how powerful they are in the game will more than likely NOT be as powerful in the novel because it's more fun to play a character that powerful.

and they would have the apprentice pulling a star destroyer down on the cover of a novel because it's appealing to consumers.

any way luke will win because it's NJO luke and i trust most of you here know how powerful and good luke is.

either way though i think we should put this thread on hold until after the game and book come out because right now we don't know enough about the apprentice.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
all the powers that he uses are canon powers but how powerful they are in the game will more than likely NOT be as powerful in the novel because it's more fun to play a character that powerful.

and they would have the apprentice pulling a star destroyer down on the cover of a novel because it's appealing to consumers.

any way luke will win because it's NJO luke and i trust most of you here know how powerful and good luke is.

either way though i think we should put this thread on hold until after the game and book come out because right now we don't know enough about the apprentice. good idea but at least give us your predictions lwith other people i personally think luke would own but i like to hear other's opinions

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
all the powers that he uses are canon powers but how powerful they are in the game will more than likely NOT be as powerful in the novel because it's more fun to play a character that powerful.

and they would have the apprentice pulling a star destroyer down on the cover of a novel because it's appealing to consumers.

any way luke will win because it's NJO luke and i trust most of you here know how powerful and good luke is.

either way though i think we should put this thread on hold until after the game and book come out because right now we don't know enough about the apprentice. you have good points xxx the only thing is what will fans ask if they don't add the star destroyer in the novel that's why it would be stupid to put it on the cover of a cannon novel and then not add it

Ultimately, this thread is speculation. The fact that he's strong enough to pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit is not enough, alone, to juxtapose him next to a well-explored, supremely powerful Force-user such as Luke Skywalker.

well it's pretty powerful not enough info but remember the apprentice is still young and to do that. He still has time to grow in power depending on the outcome which i believe I'll say it again he escapes and goes in hiding with Juno or if he's not a eu character he dies or something

i actually believe that the apprentice could overpass vader in the future give him a few more years or something... but i don't know

juxtapose? what does that mean j/w

I undertand you're new, but could you please use the 'edit' button instead of double and triple-posting?

NJO Luke curbstomps the apprentice.

Originally posted by Gideon
According to Hayden Blackman, yes. Fan-f*ckin'-tastic.

They couldn't leave Nihilus" World Eating abilities, and Palpatine's Force Storm at the top could they? Naw, they had to give VADER'S apprentice the power to tackle a Star Destroyer single handedly.

Motherf*cker, muthaf*cker, muthaf*cka.

Well at least it'll give a new round of debate to these forums.

Damn people. Talk about judging a book by its cover.

And Escape, technically he didn't pull it out of orbit; it was flying a few hundred meters / a couple of kilometers above the city (Coruscant?). Just throwing that out there.

Originally posted by Faunus
Damn people. Talk about judging a book by its cover.

And Escape, technically he didn't pull it out of orbit; it was flying a few hundred meters / a couple of kilometers above the city (Coruscant?). Just throwing that out there.

Not to mention that being so close to the ground,shouldn't gravity come into play?

I didn't even think a Star Destroyer could fly if it wasn't in space.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Fan-f*ckin'-tastic.

They couldn't leave Nihilus" World Eating abilities, and Palpatine's Force Storm at the top could they? Naw, they had to give VADER'S apprentice the power to tackle a Star Destroyer single handedly.

Motherf*cker, muthaf*cker, muthaf*cka.

Well at least it'll give a new round of debate to these forums.

I'd personally take aggrandized telekinesis over annihilating fleets, planets, and life in a single technique.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Fan-f*ckin'-tastic.

They couldn't leave Nihilus" World Eating abilities, and Palpatine's Force Storm at the top could they? Naw, they had to give VADER'S apprentice the power to tackle a Star Destroyer single handedly.

Motherf*cker, muthaf*cker, muthaf*cka.

Well at least it'll give a new round of debate to these forums.

Yeah, I know, it doesn't make much sense, does it?

But hey, the game will surely be fantastic and as you say, it will give us more to debate about, so.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'd personally take aggrandized telekinesis over annihilating fleets, planets, and life in a single technique. Ditto. But I'd still take a 2008 version of the Jedi Knight games with limited powers, over this money grabbing scheme.

I love Capitalism. Yay aggrandized Padawans.

luke

Surprise, surprise.

LOL.

Will you guys stop!? Let me state my own opinion, and respect it even if you don't agree, luke is probably one of the most powerful force users in the star wars galaxy, and i think he would win, if there is something wrong with that please tell me.

Once your post count gets to at least 1000, you'll start to get more respect.
That's just the way things work around here...

Thats kinda what i was thinking.

Not really. I respect Nebaris, so I can respect anyone.

Who is this nebaris?

Originally posted by skywalker833
Who is this nebaris?

Nebaris is a user who returns to this forum after being consistently banned. I'm thinking that it's upwards of 25 times.

just something to throw out there: mebbe the apprentice didn't down the star destroyer.... mebbe it ran out of gas, and crashed.
mebbe he mind controlled the pilots, like Caedus did. Seeing all we can see in the trailer is not enough to assume he brought it down. Perhaps it crashed, and he had his hands up to keep it from running into him, maybe we should be discussing how he "stopped a crashed star destroyer from running him over"

Ran out of gas? What, the cost of unleaded made the Imperial Navy just crash on some planet in front of a Sith apprentice? lol

ISDs run on a power source which can best be described as a mini-sun.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Ran out of gas? What, the cost of unleaded made the Imperial Navy just crash on some planet in front of a Sith apprentice? lol

ISDs run on a power source which can best be described as a mini-sun.
it was a joke... my point was, we don't know why that Star Destroyer came down. Just because the apprentice happened to be there doesn't mean he did it all by himself, entirely with the force, or that he simply ripped it from the sky. There could be a much more to it.

Originally posted by truejedi
it was a joke... my point was, we don't know why that Star Destroyer came down. Just because the apprentice happened to be there doesn't mean he did it all by himself, entirely with the force, or that he simply ripped it from the sky. There could be a much more to it.

Well you do have a point. maybe he was forcing the controlls to go wacky? maybe he was mind controlling the person at the helm? you can crash a aircraft without just pulling it out of the sky with brute strength. maybe it isnt that powerful of a feat?