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This is a battle between evil organizations.

I'd give it to GR.

akatsuki.

^Have you read HunterXHunter?

yes, quite a bit. i still say akatsuki.

Deidara and Sasori go down to Shizuku and Franklin. Shizuku's Vacuum can suck up their clay, gas, darts and even Sasori's puppets all at once since they aren't living. Sasori would just be left as heart in a jar. Franklin shoots the art nerds with his Nen Bullets.

Feitan can speedblitz the crap out of any and all of them, heck if we say he goes after Itachi, his standard method of fighting would work perfectly against him.

Ubogin could punch with enough force to atomize the ground he was standing on. A katana that cut through concrete like hot butter, could barely pierce a millimeter in his already open wound. He grabbed a bullet with his teeth when the gun that shot it was pointed at his face. You'd have to pack more power than a rifle in order to start hurting him.

Phinx is capable of outright one-shotting anyone in Akatsuki after say three seconds of fighting given the speed he can spin his arm.

And then there's Bonorenofu's Jupiter, Shalnark's Black Voice Ariel, Lucifer's crazy shit, Pakunoda's memory bullets, and other crazy powers.

GR win this.

I disagree.

completely untrue. naruto characters are at a higher level of power than hunter x hunter. completely different. even kiroro lucifer wont be able to do much against most of the akatsuki. deidara alone can one shot raiden possibly. no chance against itachi/pain and the likes at ALL.

HxH wins this battle with ease.

Genei Ryodan = dodging bullets with ease.

Akatsuki = Hasn't shown they're capable of this.

HxH speed>>>>>>>>>>Naruto speed.

lmao!!!!!!! bullets????? come ON. naruto characters are hitting characters midair hundreds of times in less than the blink of an eye from the distance of a footbal field away. not to mention there are two canonical lightspeed characters, haku and madara. not to mention, supervillianiy like creating flames hotter than the sun or creating electrical discharges along geographic proportions or creating pire blasts larger than 10 kilometres in radius.
as for speed,. body flicker alone is faster than anything shown thus far ins hunter x hunter.

The Akatsuki better not make the mistake of fighting Ubo and Phinx head on. Because I tell ya, it will be gruesome. A nen-powered hit from any of these 2 will severely cripple/kill any of the Akatsuki. No one in Naruto ever showed exceptional durability that would make them last long against the Reinforcement guys.

The Akatsuki should also not make the mistake of only severely injuring Feitan and not killing him IMMEDIATELY, because in that case its basically over for everyone. That's assuming they can even catch him.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
naruto characters are at a higher level of power than hunter x hunter.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
not to mention there are two canonical lightspeed characters, haku and madara.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
body flicker alone is faster than anything shown thus far ins hunter x hunter.
Oh, for God's sake...

Originally posted by Accel
Oh, for God's sake...

I know, I know. He's the reason we (the forum that is) get laughed at by other forums (including the Naruto Forums).

The highest "speed" in Dragonball/Z is Shouten Idou, ie Instant Transmission. It's possible that Super Vegito at his peak could move around FTL but that's likely impossible.

How the **** does the weakest in power, speed and abilites do any character in Naruto go FTL if none of the high tier DBZ characters can? The closet we have to this is Super Gotenks lapping the planet 8 times in less then a minute.

No one in Akatsuki has shown they have enough durability to survive Phinx and Ubogin's attacks.

lmao, are you for real. the best obogin has ever done is create a crater which wasnt even compareble to the scraters even c-2 clay of diedara was creating. no comparison, akatsuki wud rape them.

The instant he drops his bombs Shizuku will just suck them up with Deme-chan. Hell Shizuku could just up Deidara's bird and make him fall. If he's still alive Shizuku can just cut him up and then suck his blood.

If Shizuku is out of range Franklin could shoot him with Nen Bullets

lmao. deidara;s bird flies too high and too fast for them to be able to do anything. plus diedara can make clones, not to mention e can just use c-2 to kill them from a distance or if things really get desperate. a c-4 would kill all then raiden including kiroro.

i think genjutsu would come into effect as well in this match up... I highly doubt any one from GR has a way to counter it...

Itachi's and Tobi's genjutsu are really the main reaons why Akatsuki would probably win here. Without that, I'd give it to the Ryodan for reasons already given.

Like previously stated, the clay and puppets can all be sucked up by Shizuku and wide range attacks like Jupiter and Pain Packer can do major damagae to the team as a whole. And physically, the Ryodan are much stronger and just as fast and there isn't much they can to Ubogin's durability.

^wow, which hunterxhunter have YOU been reading? they arent close to power to the akatsuki at all.

Of course you think that, but you're always wrong so it doesn't really matter.

^bitterness suits you naruto hater .

Tobi's Space/Time Jutsu would also pose a problem as well.... There's also the Immortal in the Atkatsuki.. Given enough time he alone could take out GR. Kisame's water jutsu could also do massive damage. I think certain people are being a little biased here and need to give the Atkatsuki more credit than what is given. Certain circumstances decipher the end of this battle. Honestly, I think the Atkatsuki would win All Together. Genjutsu combined with C-2 explosives add a 100 puppets and a whole lot of water and not to mention sasori's fire and high pressure water ray. Yeah. Have anything that could counter a combination of of all these jutsu's as well as the other unknown abilities that could come from the of the Atkatsuki members. I highly doubt it.

Originally posted by Accel
Itachi's and Tobi's genjutsu are really the main reaons why Akatsuki would probably win here. Without that, I'd give it to the Ryodan for reasons already given.

Agreed

diedara is all that is needed to devestate the ryodan. just with a c-3 he cud have destroyed the entire hidden village of wind.

Yet he got beaten by Sasuke.

more like self destructed. also, sasuke with his arsenal of techniques and speed can also take the ryodan when bloodlust{kirin = death sentence for every1} . plus summoning manda and genjutsu. and the chidori varients and shaaringan.

I still say the GR wins. Everyone will be scattered, I doubt Itachi's and Tobi's genjutsu would work since the GR don't have chakra to begin with. Plus the HxH characters are far faster and stronger than anyone on the Akatsuki side. Akatsuki will be overwhelmed.

You don't need to have chakra to be caught in a genjutsu. A genjutsu is an illusionary technique that transfers ones mind into an alternate state. Atkatsuki Still takes it due to the combinations of jutsu's that can be used.

It has also been explained that genjutsu works by affecting a persons chakra circulatory system and in fact that has been the explanation used most often and most recently. However Itachi and Tobi's sharingan techniques more than likely operate in a different way.

Exactly. If their Genutsu don't work, there chances of winning is impossible. I forgot the characters name, but this guy hit a girl (choped her on her neck) while not being seen by others, they even had it on camera. The only person who was able to see him it the Girl was this old man (who's helping Gon them fight the king and his ants currently in the manga). A Naruto character hasn't shown that kind of speed yet.

A Naruto character hasnt shown that kind of speed? Tobi can move instantly, the other Akatsuki guy said he moved at light speed or more specificaly the half black half white guy said that he could not... Rock Lee alone could replicate that feat with his weights off, when he fought gaara he was disapearing every time he moved. Random Sand ninja were blurs / invisible when they where racing to get Gaara, Kakashi moved pretty fast when he was being chased by Deidaras clay things and I am pretty confident Sasuke can move insanely fast, Deidara said he was to fast to fight head on. Basicaly any Jounin level ninja can move pretty damn fast when he needs to using chakra. Also Itachi has godly reaction times, able to use jutsu near instantly even Kakashi couldn't see him make hand signs.

Originally posted by Magee
A Naruto character hasnt shown that kind of speed? Tobi can move instantly, the other Akatsuki guy said he moved at light speed or more specificaly the half black half white guy said that he could not... Rock Lee alone could replicate that feat with his weights off, when he fought gaara he was disapearing every time he moved. Random Sand ninja were blurs / invisible when they where racing to get Gaara, Kakashi moved pretty fast when he was being chased by Deidaras clay things and I am pretty confident Sasuke can move insanely fast, Deidara said he was to fast to fight head on. Basicaly any Jounin level ninja can move pretty damn fast when he needs to using chakra. Also Itachi has godly reaction times, able to use jutsu near instantly even Kakashi couldn't see him make hand signs.

Those are good feats, but none of those compare to the one I've just mention.

So not being seen moving on a camera is faster than light speed...

oh well, i hate to say that but genei loses this one.
You are speculating too much when saying itachis genjutsu wont work, its the same as speculating that shizuros vaccum cant suck deidaras puppets because they have chackra inside it.
Genei are very strong , i got that , but if itachi uses his genjutsu, amaterasu(i am certain even ubogin would get pretty messed up) , and his supreme summon the entire genei would almost be gone.
Pain is a godamn monster, 6 super powerfull clones able to control all elements and almost any jutsu.

Originally posted by Magee
So not being seen moving on a camera is faster than light speed...

None of the Naruto characters are faster than light. They still have difficulty dodging kunai's.

Originally posted by Hoshi
oh well, i hate to say that but genei loses this one.
You are speculating too much when saying itachis genjutsu wont work, its the same as speculating that shizuros vaccum cant suck deidaras puppets because they have chackra inside it.
Genei are very strong , i got that , but if itachi uses his genjutsu, amaterasu(i am certain even ubogin would get pretty messed up) , and his supreme summon the entire genei would almost be gone.
Pain is a godamn monster, 6 super powerfull clones able to control all elements and almost any jutsu.

A gejutsu only works on chakra, the Ryodan has no chakra for them to manipulate. And again, they probably be srattered out on the battle field, and one strike from the Ryodan could kill anyone from the Akatsuki team. These characters toss around 16 tons and above (remeber back at the Hunters exam before Gon, Kurapica, and Leo could enter they had to push a door as heavy as 16 tons), this was before learning about nen to increase their power.

Shizuku chops off Hidans head and sucks up his body with her Vacuum. Hell a punch from Phinx should be capable of disintegrating him, there's no point being immortal if you have no body.

Shizuku sucks up Sasori's puppet body until his heart is left. Cue smashing.

Franklin simply fires off tons of Nen Bullets at Deidara. Hell he could probably kill a lot of Akat members simply by doing that at the start.

Ubogin can 1HKO any Akatsuki member. He's also fairly quick and not a complete moron. Don't get me started on his durability. There's also his scream.

Shalnark can place Antenna's on Akatsuki members and control their movements.

That's not even the full group.

Originally posted by dvampire
None of the Naruto characters are faster than light. They still have difficulty dodging kunai's. lol why are you generalising like that, do you not read the manga? I am not saying all Naruto characters I am saying Tobi can and has moved at light speed. If you read chapter 396 Tobi says to Zetsu your to slow then Zetsu says excuse me for not being able to move at the speed of light. Now it might not be exactly 186,000ms but whats the difference between light speed and instant travel. The feat you mentioned requires speed no where near that of light, Tobi is faster than any one in this thread.

Originally posted by Magee
lol why are you generalising like that, do you not read the manga? I am not saying all Naruto characters I am saying Tobi can and has moved at light speed. If you read chapter 396 Tobi says to Zetsu your to slow then Zetsu says excuse me for not being able to move at the speed of light. Now it might not be exactly 186,000ms but whats the difference between light speed and instant travel. The feat you mentioned requires speed no where near that of light, Tobi is faster than any one in this thread.

Very well put! and you don't need to have chakra for a genjutsu to work. I assume he doesn't read the manga of naruto. and I think even tobi alone can defeat GR...

sigh, kmc is filled with naruto hater when naruto characters have constantly been shown to be more than anything they are given credit for. both haku and tobi are lightspeed. and im not really gonna go into the entire naruto speed thing again, it has been proven that even in the chuunin arc they were moving well beyond mach one and thye get much much MUCH faster later. neither in speed nor strength nor ability/technique does hunterxhunter get anywhere NEAR naruto these days. if you want to give actual FEATS of ryodan then talk. otherwise this is useless. even the most obogin or kiroro have done is easily outmatched by many many akatsuki. this is overkill actually.

When was Haku ever stated to be light speed? The only thing he was stated to be was to fast for the eye to follow. And Tobi uses space/time warp to move so fast...that's really not going to help in a fight unless he want to run away.

Originally posted by Kento
When was Haku ever stated to be light speed? The only thing he was stated to be was to fast for the eye to follow. And Tobi uses space/time warp to move so fast...that's really not going to help in a fight unless he want to run away.

Tobi actually does move at that speed. And you really can't kill something you can't hit can you? Atkatsuki. The last part of your quotes states it's usless unless you want to run away. I'm sure it's not the first time tobi's used that jutsu so i'm sure he knows how to use it in conjunction with attacks. Atkatsuki for the win.

He doesn't move that fast...It's warping from one place to the next. It's not really going to help punch somebody faster. And I don't know who would win since I never got that far into HxH but Tobi isn't light speed..at least not fighting. Though hitting him may be a problem..we just have to wait and see how he's beaten and if it's just PIS and for some reason forgets he can do it or because of some hole in the jutsu.

He can move instantly, he can move from one spot to the next and hit some one in the space of half a second, how is that not going to help? We have never seen him in a real fight for all we know Tobi could easily speedblitz using that technique and I fail to see why he could not. The fact it's a space time jutsu means nothing, he is still moving instantly regardless of how he does it. His technique is exactly like the 4ths and we know he used that in battle and to such an extent he was feared by all nations during the great ninja war.

Originally posted by Magee
He can move instantly, he can move from one spot to the next and hit some one in the space of half a second, how is that not going to help? We have never seen him in a real fight for all we know Tobi could easily speedblitz using that technique and I fail to see why he could not. The fact it's a space time jutsu means nothing, he is still moving instantly regardless of how he does it. His technique is exactly like the 4ths and we know he used that in battle and to such an extent he was feared by all nations during the great ninja war.

WOW, honestly, i couldn't said it better myself. Thank you.

Originally posted by Magee
He can move instantly, he can move from one spot to the next and hit some one in the space of half a second, how is that not going to help? We have never seen him in a real fight for all we know Tobi could easily speedblitz using that technique and I fail to see why he could not. The fact it's a space time jutsu means nothing, he is still moving instantly regardless of how he does it. His technique is exactly like the 4ths and we know he used that in battle and to such an extent he was feared by all nations during the great ninja war. It all depends on how much faster the person is than Tobi. Not that we know Tobi's speed to begin with so anything to do with him is a moot point. And the 4th was a whole lot faster than the Ninja's he fought as shown by him being able to grab Kakashi and move out of the way before the guy killed Kakashi. That and the element of surprise would be on Tobi's side at least for a bit.

haku moves at the speed of REFLECTION inside his ice prison. anyhow, this is silly, some people here would actually have others beleive that naruto characters are weaker than bleachers, hunterxhunter characters, one piece characters etc etc etc. the only other shounen series which might be put down this much is rurourni kenshin in kmc. currently naruto feats stand above bleach/hunterxhunter/onepiece/inuyasha/hellsing etc. the only noticeable shounen series with stronger feats is yu yu hakusho and 666satan.

oh forgot to mention dragonball.

Dragon Ball doesnt count. That series is rediculous

But if we are considering All Akatsuki members to ever live or be in Akatsuki. Then this is over kill.

Pein-Six bodies, a master of all elements, and skilled in Taijutsu,genjutsu, and Ninjutsu, and summoning.
Konan-Not much but she can turn into paper>_>
Kakuzu-Crazy immortal who has a master over most of the elements
Hidan-Another immortal
Deideira-Long range expert with explosion experties. He he could solo this(Uses his ultimate jutsu and infext the air on a microscoptic level. HXH breathe and they die instantly from billions of tiny bombs destroying their cells.)
Sasori- Another long range fighter. One cut or breathe from his poison and Your dead. Sakura and Chiyo was PIS
Kisame-Chakra Juggernot with devestating jutsu and has the ability to change a landscapes in to water.
Itachi-God...j/p MS,crazy speed, Amaterasu that can burn through anything and is unavoidable burning for 7 days and nights, Tsukomi mind rape, and Susanoo. Ultimate Defence and Offense.
Orochimaru-Practically another Immortal. Who is a master of Ninjutsu and knows a shit load of forbidden Jutsu and can Ressurect old Ninjas.(Such as Minato(4th), 1st,and the 2nd Hokages.)
Madara(Tobi)-Then we have Madara the Invincible Immortal. Master of EMS, Can phase through attacks. And has A transportation move as fast as light. Also someone who can Summon the 9 Tails fox which is like the strongest enitity in the universe as his pet to do his bidding.
Zetzu-Super faster person two who abilities we dont know about yet.
HXH gets outclassed and outpowered easily specialy dealing with 4 immortals. 2 people who can summon enitities that are basically Godlike Susanoo and Kyuubi

This Topic was cute but when you break it down. Its almost like spite And depending on who the next few issues go. It will be even more spite if Sasuke Joins Akatsuki and gets trained by Madara. Ryodan is good but if you actually pay attention to Naruto universe and dont just go...ooo look they still use Kunai...silly ninja. You will see that the characters are extremely powerful

This is overkill. The versilitiy alone would be enough to handle HXH. And if also from what it looks like. Sasuke might join Akatsuki which would be even worse.

Originally posted by Magee
He can move instantly, he can move from one spot to the next and hit some one in the space of half a second, how is that not going to help? We have never seen him in a real fight for all we know Tobi could easily speedblitz using that technique and I fail to see why he could not. The fact it's a space time jutsu means nothing, he is still moving instantly regardless of how he does it. His technique is exactly like the 4ths and we know he used that in battle and to such an extent he was feared by all nations during the great ninja war.

he can't move instantly. Minato moves instantly. i think it is stated that it actually takes longer for obito to phase his self into his dimension than other people. With that being said, he has been fast enough to react to everyone except for Minato, so he's still insanely fast reaction wise

I may side with Akatsuki on this one.Pain is a literal 1 man team with those 6 paths.If he's included here, then Genei will have a very tough time.The Deva path's Chibaku Tensei might be too much for Genei if Pain decides to use this early on.And lets not forget Itachi and Tobi are part of Akatsuki.I seem to recall Itachi put an ordinary girl(who happens to be a tailor shop worker) in Genjutsu in order to trick Jiraiya in leaving Naruto defenseless.Itachi's Genjutsu will come into play as well.

I dont know watch the show with genei ryodan but ive been reading to see what their abilities are like.

as ive been reading they all seem like great killers and would give the akatsuki a very hard time but they all seem players that would need to attack as team. If they attack alone they would be killed, except the lighting speed guy.

soasori can easily controle with his puppet strings and lets say if he is going to be sucked in another akatsuki would go after preventing it. Plus the akatsuki has more numbers then these characters, and if kisame were to catch that guy in his water sphere is over for him. I would akatsuki wins all.

Im a huge fan of both but the akasuki is outclassed in speed and strength as well as stamina hxh they lift tons killua alone pushing 64 tons with ease no charcter from naruto can do that. And akasuki cant match feitan or hisoka's speed

You're pretty funny if you think any of those could last any chance against the weakest members of Akatsuki.

Deidara solos
Kizaku solos
Konan solo
Tobi/obito solos
Kisane solos
Pain solos
Nagato solos

Originally posted by SquallX


You're pretty funny if you think any of those could last any chance against the weakest members of Akatsuki.

Deidara solos
Kizaku solos
Konan solo
Tobi/obito solos
Kisane solos
Pain solos
Nagato solos

Again, Deidara has good offensive abilities, but his defense sucks balls. I like him and against a team like the Genei Ryodan he could be useful.

Feitan has an equally damaging attack summoning an small sun into the battlefield, and your weaker members of Akatsuki (barring maybe Kisame if his sword can absorb the heat?) just die to it. Puppet dude ain't tanking a sun. Kizaru ain't tanking a sun, neither is Konan.

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, Deidara has good offensive abilities, but his defense sucks balls. I like him and against a team like the Genei Ryodan he could be useful.

Feitan has an equally damaging attack summoning an small sun into the battlefield, and your weaker members of Akatsuki (barring maybe Kisame if his sword can absorb the heat?) just die to it. Puppet dude ain't tanking a sun. Kizaru ain't tanking a sun, neither is Konan.

And you somehow believes its an actual sun?

Hidan is the weakest of the Akatsuki, and him alone would give any members of the Troupe a fight, even winning against the lowest one.

Kakuzu alone would annihilate any members 1on1, add his hearts, he would casually destroy half of that group. Add Hidan, they destroy everything. Kakuzu even fought against the 1st Hokage himself.

Sasori with 1000 puppets. There's nothing left to say.

Deidara flies up and unleash microscopic bombs.

Itachi puts them in all a genjutsu.

Kisame absorbs there energies with Samehada, or drowns them in his mountain water dome that moves with him.

Konan bombs them with her 100,000 flower petal blast that last for 10 minutes straight of continuous explosion.

Tobi just plays with them, and bfr them.

Obito comes out and he genjutsu a few, then he bfr the rest.

Obito with Rinnegan brings out his Jinchuriki six path and let them go wild.

Obito summons the Gezo Statue and let it go while.'

Obito becomes the 10 Tails and kills everyone in the verse.

Pain six path is enough to kill all the 13 members easily. Or he just Shinra Tensai them, or Chibaku Tensai them.

Nagato uses all the path at once, absorbs there energies then end them.

The only person that won't outright kill all of them at once are Hidan, and Itachi, since there moves relies more on singular oponents.

Either way you look at this, Akatsuki wont even break a sweat.

Originally posted by SquallX
And you somehow believes its an actual sun?

It killed an enemy with higher durability than every opponent in the Akatsuki side, so it doesn't need to be. I already pointed out which opponents wouldn't take it (many on which, ironically, you said would solo the Genei Ryodan). You're now rehearsing a different argument though, I've never said the Genei would win, I just mentioned the Heavy Hitters would be deal breakers.

We haven't seen (and at the current rate of the manga, we'll never see ) the upper levels of the Genei Ryodan most powerful members anyways.

Originally posted by Bentley
It killed an enemy with higher durability than every opponent in the Akatsuki side, so it doesn't need to be. I already pointed out which opponents wouldn't take it (many on which, ironically, you said would solo the Genei Ryodan). You're now rehearsing a different argument though, I've never said the Genei would win, I just mentioned the Heavy Hitters would be deal breakers.

We haven't seen (and at the current rate of the manga, we'll never see ) the upper levels of the Genei Ryodan most powerful members anyways.

What opponent was that?

Hidan is the only one that he might end.

Kakuzu needs to have all his hearts destroys for him to die.

Sasori can play dead since he can switch from puppets to puppets. Not only that, he has poison.

Deidara is always flying, unless he can fly himmself, he's not catching Deidara.

Itachi has Sussanno and Yata Mirror.

Kisame absorbs energies. The more energy you use against him the better he gets.

Tobi can play hide and go seek all day.

Obito would just BFR him.

Where as Obito at the begining of the 4 war arc would casually take on all the verse at once and wins while barely breakinga sweat.

Konan can't be touch unless you oil against her.

Pain, nuff said.

Nagato, nuff said.

No one in the HXH verse has showned any physical moves that would threaten the Akatsuki minus Hidan.


Again, the Akatsuki wins this pretty easily while sipping tea.

Originally posted by SquallX
What opponent was that?

So you don't actually know what these characters are capable of? Well, no point in continuing this discussion then

Originally posted by Bentley
So you don't actually know what these characters are capable of? Well, no point in continuing this discussion then

Nice debating skills. The chimera Ant Queen whom I believe you're referring too was nothing special to the higher echelon of the Akatsuki when it comes to defense, speed, techniques, power and overall versatility.

Originally posted by SquallX
Nice debating skills. The chimera Ant Queen whom I believe you're referring too was nothing special to the higher echelon of the Akatsuki when it comes to defense, speed, techniques, power and overall versatility.

It's leap and bounds about their physical durability, barring maybe fused-Kisame.

To be honest it's hard to take your argument seriously when you are hyping Konan to solo a team with her absolute lack of feats.

My mistake for bumping this thread in the first place I guess.