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TFU vader vs lumiya.

-Saber
-Force
-All out.

I'm thinking that Vader has all three, but note that due to his lack of agility and experience with dueling against a lightwhip, he may lose, or get challenged, at least, in the lightsaber combat.

But I'm rather uncertain.

Sorry for asking but by TFU are you refering to "the force unleashed"?

Yeah I was a little confused at that too.

Saber: Probably Lumiya. Vader only has the one saber and could be limited by the suit, while Lumiya's whip requires two sabers to fight it (unless, of course, you're LOTF Luke).

Force: Vader. No explanation needed here, I think.

All-Out: I'd say Lumiya, for the same reasons as the saber section. Though it would be much harder for her all-out.

Originally posted by Master crimson
I'm thinking that Vader has all three, but note that due to his lack of agility and experience with dueling against a lightwhip, he may lose, or get challenged, at least, in the lightsaber combat.

But I'm rather uncertain. Actually he isn't that slow considering that he was pretty agile in RODV and showed good agility in crimson empire against one of the best sword fighters.

Just note that in an all out fight its likely that vader can simply reach upon the force to influence the course of the lightwhip as the whips strikes rely on precision and kinetic energy.

To back this up heres a quote from RODV which backs this up when one of the jedis tried to do it on vader.



"His gaze fully engaged on the twirling blade, his heart hammering in his chest. Calling on the force, he tried to influence the course of the lightsaber, but either the Force wasn't with him or Vader's force abilities were overpowering his." RODV 216


So in an all out i don't see why vader wouldn't do that to a weapon he has little to no fighting experience against.


Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Saber: Probably Lumiya. Vader only has the one saber and could be limited by the suit, while Lumiya's whip requires two sabers to fight it (unless, of course, you're LOTF Luke). LOL requires 2 sabers to fight? I guess lumiya would shit on sidious to as he uses 1 saber. She would also take a dump on dooku and bane because they use 1 saber.

By your logic anybody with 2 sabers would tool mace windu and darth sidious.

And you forget that by TFU and the OT vader pretty much got over most of his suits restrictions. So i don't see how that is going to restrict him against a lightwhip.


Originally posted by caedusrulesall

All-Out: I'd say Lumiya, for the same reasons as the saber section. Though it would be much harder for her all-out. All out despite vader being the one who TAUGHT lumiya? Despite the fact that he is a more intelligent fighter? Despite that his force mastery is much greater? Despite that his sheer raw power rivals the most powerful sith lord in the galaxy?(I got this from gideon whom got in from publius). Anywho he is 80% as powerful as somebody whom would destroy her in a fight.

All that we've seen from "TFU" Vader is N-Canon, gameplay feats from an unreleased video game, as well as him getting his lightsaber embarrassingly snatched out of his hand by a child... Only a wasteman would include that incarnation of Vader in a thread.

Originally posted by Taven
All that we've seen from "TFU" Vader is N-Canon, gameplay feats from an unreleased video game, as well as him getting his lightsaber embarrassingly snatched out of his hand by a child... Only a wasteman would include that incarnation of Vader in a thread.

But the non-canon gameplay feats are being used to clearly show that Vader is a beast of Force potency and that the child who disarmed him has droves of untapped Force potential. That is their purpose and the clear intent of the writers. Ergo, it still must apply...

Originally posted by Taven
All that we've seen from "TFU" Vader is N-Canon, gameplay feats from an unreleased video game, as well as him getting his lightsaber embarrassingly snatched out of his hand by a child... Only a wasteman would include that incarnation of Vader in a thread. Ah and this comes from the joker whom actually brought up the issue of starkiller using the force to bring down a ISD on EOD forums and tried to pass it off as an argument.

More hypocrisy from this abomination to society, i think you should do the world a favour and start slitting your wrists.

You should know by now that Neb calls favours, he never does them.

Originally posted by Tangible God
You should know by now that Neb calls favours, he never does them. Huh?

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Huh? I sense your confusion... it's delicious and cherry-flavoured.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I sense your confusion... it's delicious and cherry-flavoured. Oh right, he needs the world to do him a favour rather than him doing it himself due to his lack of competence.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Oh right, he needs the world to do him a favour rather than him doing it himself due to his lack of competence. Bingo.

-Sabers:
Luke was defeated by Lumiya in there first encounter, In the second he used a shoto to counter it and it worked, then in there third duel he defeated her quiet handily. What from my point of view made it possible for Lumiya to defeat Luke was that (to my knowlegde) he hadn't encountered another person wielding a Lightwhip, If I'm not mistaking Vader hasn't either, and is, from my point of view, not as good a swordsman as luke was when he fought Lumiya the first time, therefore I'm giving the Sabers to Lumiya. However if Vader has experience with battling characters with a Lightwhip then it could just as well go the other way.

-Force:
Vader, I don't believe any explanation on this is needed.

-Allout:
Vader has in this scenario the advantage off having the force and his lightsaber, which (as shown by Schwarzenegger above) will allow him to manipulate the Lightwhip, taking the only good card Lumiya has (from my point of view) away from her.

Thoughts? Is this entirely out in the woods?

Well i guess you raise a good point utri, but note that in my opinion lumiya would beat vader in the saber duel solely because she is using a completely unfamiliar weapon to vader and had this saber duel been between normal sabers then vader tools her.

By the way, the part where vader destroys a massive multi story structure in the TFU preview seemingly is a cut scene.

I agree with you Schwarzenegger that it's the whip that gives her the advantage in the sabers.

Cool.

You do know that Vader trained Lumiya, its kinda silly to assume he doesn't know the ins and outs of his apprentice's style..

Originally posted by Dr. Styles
You do know that Vader trained Lumiya, its kinda silly to assume he doesn't know the ins and outs of his apprentice's style.. I do actually, but i have a question, was he the one who trained her to use the whip?

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
I do actually, but i have a question, was he the one who trained her to use the whip?

I see no reason to assume that he didn't.

She constructed it on Ziost, without the help of Vader I think.

Who trained her how to use it?

No idea.

Wasn't Vader occupied with Xizor at the time Lumiya was on Ziost?

Unless it was the first lightwhip ever in existence, that there's no reason to suspect that Vader wouldn't be remotely familiar with it.

It's quite an obscure weapon that few would tend to practise with; I'd say there needs to be proof that he was familiar with the weapon rather than proof that he wasn't, given how he apparently didn't train Lumiya in it.

Well he apparently knows all forms of combat, save for Vaapad, so that covers it. But to suggest that just because it MAY be unfamiliar to him, that he'd lose to Lumiya in a fight is kinda silly ( not that I'm accusing you nebs of thinking that way) but would you think Githany would beat someone like Bane simply because he doesn't know the full ins and outs of the weapon? I'm sorry just cause she beat Luke (who's only experience with a energy weapon EVER came in the form of a single lightsaber) when he was using a single saber is nowhere near enough proof that she'd beat Vader.

I'm with Styles on this. If Nelani can nearly beat Lumiya then Vader probably can. Although I do remember her getting hit by it, She did cut off alot of the 'tails' as I recall.

Check out the new TFU trailer, theres a brief cutscene which shows vader tooling star killer with the force.

Its more of Vader just throwing him with the force, but he did look hurt by it.

this is a quote from Jedi Twilight, regarding newly promoted jedi knight Jax Pavarn. He is a jedi who escaped the temple during the invasion by the 501st.

he basically is about to fight Xizor, and he has a weapon handed to him, but he doesn't know what it is: This should make a good case for Vader smearing Lumiya in all 3 areas of combat:

"As part of his training, he'd practiced with lightwhips, but not nearly as often as he'd used a lightsaber. He wasn't nearly as proficient with a whip as he was with a blade....

Jax backpedaled, trying to gain as much time as he could to get more familiar with this new weapon. It wasn't as elegant as an energy sword, or as powerful, or able to cut through as much..."

anyway, Vader should have trained some with a lightwhip if Jax did as part of his basic training. It is also described as an inferior weapon.