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Pein with all six of his bodies takes on all of the Akatsuki at the same time:

1.Hidan
2.Kakuzu
3.Sasori
4.Deidara
5.Kisame
6.Itachi

Can Pein beat all of them at the same time?

By feats, prolly not.

We don't really know quite enough about Pein to say he can take all of these guys.

if we leave out itachi than sure, he can take em. but we dont know enough about kisame, hes said to be CLOSEST to madara, so who knows how much hes hding, or if he is madara's REAL partner in akatsuki.

Well...When he said "closest" I think he prolly meant relationship-wise lol.

Remember, Kisame actually liked Tobi, unlike the other members of Akatsuki who find him annoying.

Although, I do agree that he hasn't shown near what he is truly capable of.

so..... um..... kisame is gay for tobi, is that what your saying????? :s

...No man.

Probably clears it.
He isn't 2nd in command in Akatsuki for nothing.

Loses to Itachi.

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All at the same time? He gets crushed in seconds.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Loses to Itachi.

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All at the same time? He gets crushed in seconds.
Most probably not.

He took on the entire Konoha army and defeated Salamander King, who was supposedly stronger than the 3 Sennin.

What makes you think the Akatsuki can do better?

What has the entire Konoha army done in comparison to Itachi and the rest of Akatsutski? You read way to much into this whole "Woah... I'm ambiguous", thing.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
He took on the entire Konoha army Um, what?

I think he mean't the faction that was led under Hanzo in Rain village during their civil war.

Pain should be able to win. We have not seen that much from him but him being more powerful than Salamander makes me think he should be much more powerful than the rest of akatsuki.

But can he beat every akatsuki at the same time?

Not by feats.

And Madara is probably above him IMO...But he is not in this fight lol.

i made a list of pain's feats so far, and even though he still hasnt shown his true colours, its EXTENSIVE. hes done quite a bit more than itachi in terms of feats.

Not in terms of battle feats.

here it is


well lets go through pain'ss powerset again

9 illusionary dragons - sealing technique initiated by pain strong enough to seal even tailed beasts

all elemental affinity - he can use all elemental chakra perfectly in affinity with it as opposed to others who only have two affinities at best

magical rain - has a jutsu which can make rain fall over his entire country indefinately which can detect any change in pattern of falling and any chakra or person even if they are using high level jutsus to hide themselves

berserker - sumthing shown when nagato was a child, he loses conciousness when in danger and easily murdered a chuunin without knowing any nijutsu techniques unconciously

has nearly unbeatable genjutsu defences in the minds of all the bodies he uses.

has 6 bodies {which are sumhow connected with foes jiraya beat before, whether that was a genjutsu or sumthing else, we dont know}

all 6 bodies share the same conciousness and percelption hence giving him multiple perspectives to fight from

according to madara, has never lost a fight in his entire life

he can create CLONES of other ninja{s class and above, including some of the strongest in the narutoverse} who contain all their abilities, compareable intelligence, and 30% of chakra, and can even duplicate kekai genkai abilities like the sharingan, the clone itachi gave team 7 a run for their money, having high level instant genjutsu which he only needed tp point a finger to execute and the cloned kisame was beating lee/neiji/gai's team before gai decided to use his gates{on top of creating a lake of water}. so just imagine how powerful the actual guy, pain is.

killed the salamander who defeated konoha's entire army and te three sannin and hence gave them their title.

each body of pain's has special abilities, 1. absorbing even the most devestating attacks like oil blast lake, and ultimate raasengan of the sage form, using special black weapons, firing your fists, summongin MULTIPLE beasts all of whom are devestating in their own right even against the higher level summons and have special abilities like spouting bubbles

the bodies are practically immorta, as they were hit with an extremely high level genjutsu{which even impressed pain} and then all driven through by HUGE summoned swords, and all got right back up and went on to kill jiraya.

their ful abilities and those of the rinnegan havent been seen yet, we know that he is planning to attack and destroy konoha alone, and rikoudu, the creator of jutsus themselves and the ninja world had them, they were said to be a tool of the heavens which wud save or destroy the world.

by sealing the bijuu, pain is trying to create a weapon with the power to destroy a country in under a second and then be reused.

it is hinted that the real pain isnt even among the fighting bodies. and that konan has special powers connected with pain.

any1 who has opposed pain as of yet has died.

well, thats it for now, i know im forgetting sum feats/stuff. but judge for yourselves if itachi is stronger than pain.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
9 illusionary dragons - sealing technique initiated by pain strong enough to seal even tailed beasts

Irrelevant in combat.



He can sue all elemental releases. So can Kakuzu. Won't save him from Tsukiyomi.



Won't help in combat.



Too ambigious to be of use.



No-Limit fallacy. Jiraiya's genjutsu doesn't even have any feats to it except for his own words. Tsukiyomi seems more devastating.




Six bodies. 'kay. Sasori has multiple hundreds with unique attacks and can be controlled with pin-point accuracy.



Also means one genjutsu will ensnare them all.



Fallible third party. In any case, no one he's fought has feats on level with Akatutski.



You mean created clones using dead guy's bodies and rituals. Not something he magically does on the fly.



Sasori took over an entire nation. Konoha's ninja are mostly nobodies at that point.



All raped in a couple seconds. Kind of sad.



The impressive genjutsu gas only been seen once and isn't enhanced by the fact that it ccan only be connected by the same kekke genkai, I.E. Tsukiyomi can only be fought with another Sharingan.



Prophecies and hearsay... wow.



Everything else here is pointless.



Yeah, Itach is, considering his on the fly in the middle of the a fight combat feats are still > Peins.

...Did you actually read that entire post?

^i dont think so. pain's feats currently eclipse itachi's feats. which are basically extreme speed/reflexes{better than sasuke}, tsukiyomi, amataerasu, susano and sharingan genjutsu and katon, gyoka kyo no jutsu.

add those blades that come out of his body and cut off uro's arms to that.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown

Yeah, Itach is, considering his on the fly in the middle of the a fight combat feats are still > Peins.

Absolutly true.

but it alludes to his power



yes but kakuxi is borrowing it from the hearts of others. theres a difference



would help in detection of hidden ninja and again, alludes to his power




correction, too ambiguoyys to JUDGE. but it was practically useful in combat. again, alludes to his power



"nearly" nullifies the no limit. pain knows of tsukiyomi, and yet was still surpised by the power of jiraya's genjutsu.





not as well as having your conciousness in each body and immortality for them. puppets can be broken, pain's bodies can not be. also, other than th 4th kazekage, none else had powers worthy of mentioning, while all of pain's bodies have special powers




untrue, one doesnt affect the other, only the bodies who HEARD the genjutsu were affected, and wee multiple bodies, getting warped awareness due to the song.



fallacious argumentation. he defeated the salamander who defeated all the sannin{hencemaking him quite a bit more powerful than most akatsuki. in any case, nuthing suggests that he was lying, and there is no evidence to the contrary so it is taken as fact.



we dont see the complete RITUAL do we, its just a jutsu which uses dead bodies. but its affects can be very easily seen.




correction, HELPED him take over a nation. we dont know the whole story and we have no records of any powerful ninja he beat. also, hea was beaten by chio and sakura



not really, the fast lasted quite a few issues and all of the bodies survived without damage. and killed jiraya.




it wasnt just a genjutsu, and it was sumthing only the frogs cud do and it was followed by the summoning and impaling of monstrous swords through the bodies by jiraya, and they all got up, undamaged. and what is tsukiymi going to do to an immortal, on top of that, how is itachi going to tsukiyomi all 6 of them?




nice dodge



proven otherwise



not necessarily.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but it alludes to his power





Not really

Well, acording to spoilers, it seems Pein is capable of shooting chakra blasts(beams) and soul absortion with just a simple touch.

how can spoilers be out so early?

Originally posted by Pyron_Express
Well, acording to spoilers, it seems Pein is capable of shooting chakra blasts(beams) and soul absortion with just a simple touch. Really?

Si

http://i33.tinypic.com/14b0o7n.jpg
Seemly DBZ-style beams.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2ugic6x.jpg
Skinny Pein grabbing a fodder's nin head and pulling his soul out (well, that's what it seems)

You can't really see that shit.

Then you obviously arent trying hard enough. :/

Or better yet have your eyes checked?

It's in the upper right picture Wil7, in the first picture. He fires 3 beams or something.

I see it. By the way Pyron_Express, I were glasses, and have had my eyes check more times then you have.

From the little i saw of pain in 419 id say he wud take this fight.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
From the little i saw of pain in 419 id say he wud take this fight.

Why do you think Pein could win?

Pein couldn't beat the rest of akatsuki on his own!

It's lunacy I tell you!

Originally posted by ultimatethor
From the little i saw of pain in 419 id say he wud take this fight.

How has anything she's shown going to save him tsukiyomi?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
How has anything she's shown going to save him tsukiyomi?

Well for the fact that pain knows itachi and not to look into his eyes. Therefore i highly doubt all 6 or seven of his bodies will look into his eyes. Amaterasu can be avoided considering there are multiple pains and the energy missles or whatever that he was using should be able to put down itachi.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
How has anything she's shown going to save him tsukiyomi? Well he has shown the ability to turn his head, and since he has six bodies some of them can stay behind him.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Well for the fact that pain knows itachi and not to look into his eyes. Therefore i highly doubt all 6 or seven of his bodies will look into his eyes. Amaterasu can be avoided considering there are multiple pains and the energy missles or whatever that he was using should be able to put down itachi.

Except it's already been proven that you don't have to look directly into Itachi's eyes to be ensnared.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Except it's already been proven that you don't have to look directly into Itachi's eyes to be ensnared. No it hasn't.

When did he use Tsukiyomi without looking in your eyes?

I don't think it was Tsukiyomi, specifically. sumthin' else. His MS wasn't activated.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/06/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/07/


As for that last link, I think it's pretty much implied that he can even use the MS in a similiar fashion, I.E, no eye contact needed.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I don't think it was Tsukiyomi, specifically. sumthin' else. His MS wasn't activated.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/06/ Then your point of how he will survive Tsukiyomi is crushed, as Pein does not need to look into his eyes, in fact, with his Rinnegan, which like the Byakugan can see great distances and through shit, and 6 fields of vision, which each body can see, I doubt he will ever look Itachi in the eyes.

And yeah, Genjutsus are not all powerful, they can be broken with the Dispel jutsu if the ninja is strong enough, and since Pein is like a really strong ninja and stuff...Yeah.

I edited.

...How did that imply anything?

Naruto was actually looking at Itachi, right in the eyes, that doesn't say he can do it without making eye contact at all, nor does it imply it.

He was looking right in his eyes?

On an entirely different note, I've resumed reading Bleach again. mmm

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Except it's already been proven that you don't have to look directly into Itachi's eyes to be ensnared.

What u posted is proof of nothing. Itachis one finger genjutsus wont be affecting a ninja of pains calibre.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He was looking right in his eyes?

On an entirely different note, I've resumed reading Bleach again. mmm Yeah, Naruto was looking up at him and Itachi was looking down.

Kewl. Sajin(fox-face) just pwned a 150 foot giant. And he threw him with his bare hands.

Sajin is a superthug.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yeah, Naruto was looking up at him and Itachi was looking down.


That doesn't mean he was looking into his eyes, though.

... he could have been looking at his majestic Uchiha package.



I saw that. Tousen is a real house nigga.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
That doesn't mean he was looking into his eyes, though.

... he could have been looking at his majestic Uchiha package.



I saw that. Tousen is a real house nigga. 1. Not likely, it is hard to tell the difference between an Uchiha's penis and the peach fuzz that surrounds it.

2. ...Why? He hasn't really done anything yet...

He's a pacifist. Thus, he's a house nigga.And he got whooped by a blind and deaf Kenpachi...

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He's a pacifist. Thus, he's a house nigga.And he got whooped by a blind and deaf Kenpachi... Not a pacifist, a pacifist wouldn't cut someone's arm off for no reason.

Kenpachi is the shit though dewd, he fvckin killed the 5th Espada in one move and shit when he used the omnipotent powa of TWO HANDS!

Hes a pacifist who has stated that he will do what he has to do, if he has to do it.

When you're life catch-line is "I take the path with the least blood shed", you're a pacifist. Maybe a shitty hypocritical one.. bu a pacifist no less.

Kenny is god-status. He doesn't care about anything. If he walked into my barrio and just ripped his shirt off in a manly fashion he'd instantly be good-in-the-hood.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Hes a pacifist who has stated that he will do what he has to do, if he has to do it.

When you're life catch-line is "I take the path with the least blood shed", you're a pacifist. Maybe a shitty hypocritical one.. bu a pacifist no less.

Kenny is god-status. He doesn't care about anything. If he walked into my barrio and just ripped his shirt off in a manly fashion he'd instantly be good-in-the-hood. So...He's insane? Cause I highly doubt Aizen's path holds the least bloodshed...

Indeed. It also helps that he has fairly large and toned pectoral muscles.

He's not insane. He's just a ****ing retard. When he first said thhat whole "Path of least blood shed" thing, after watching Aizen rape Hinamori, Toshiro, Renji, and Ichigo, the two latters who were trying to protect an innocent gir lfrom being killed...

He's just dumb.

Kenny's a bombshell of manliness.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He's not insane. He's just a ****ing retard. When he first said thhat whole "Path of least blood shed" thing, after watching Aizen rape Hinamori, Toshiro, Renji, and Ichigo, the two latters who were trying to protect an innocent gir lfrom being killed...

He's just dumb.

Kenny's a bombshell of manliness. Well to be fair, he didn't technically "watch" any of that. haermm

Of course he is, he's fvckin Kenny, he pedos small children for God's sake.

erm WHAT r u talking about? naruto was trying NOT to look in his eyes, and itachi casted the gejutsu by pointing a single FINGER, and it was a clone to begin with and didnt even have mangekyo and even then naruto cudnt break it despite stopping his chakra flow. tsukiyomi affects the soul.
on a second note, pain still wins.

Well you struck home Leon, the exact point is that it wasn't Tsukiyomi, it was just a regular Genjutsu. What is the proof he can use Tsukiyomi without eye contact? And even then you can break it with outside assistance like Kirabi did.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm WHAT r u talking about? naruto was trying NOT to look in his eyes, and itachi casted the gejutsu by pointing a single FINGER, and it was a clone to begin with and didnt even have mangekyo and even then naruto cudnt break it despite stopping his chakra flow. tsukiyomi affects the soul.
on a second note, pain still wins.

Everything you said about Itachi is true. It does affect the soul. That is why Itachi could beat Pein, because he could point at all six bodies and get them all stuck in genjutsu, burn them with amaterasu, get them stuck in tsukiyomi, use susanno to kill them all, etc. For all we know, Itachi could have tons of water style jutsu's, fire style jutsu's, earth style jutsu's, and more. Itachi beats Pein, but close because of Pein's six bodies.

Originally posted by Wil7
because he could point at all six bodies and get them all stuck in genjutsu,
And they can just bust right out with chakra release.

Originally posted by Wil7
burn them with amaterasu
I'm curious as to how he'll kill them all with Amaterasu given that you have to look at your target for it to work so he could only kill the ones he was looking at...

Originally posted by Wil7
, get them stuck in tsukiyomi,
Yeah because Pain will totally look at his eyes. Anyway, Kirabi showed us that this can be broken with outside assistance and Pain has six bodies to help out.

Originally posted by Wil7
use susanno to kill them all,
Might be trickier, but you actually need to hit your opponent for this one to work, so they would just stay hidden until it burned out.


Originally posted by Wil7
etc. For all we know, Itachi could have tons of water style jutsu's, fire style jutsu's, earth style jutsu's, and more.
Really? We've seen his fire jutsu's but I see no proof of him being good with other elements.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And they can just bust right out with chakra release.


I'm curious as to how he'll kill them all with Amaterasu given that you have to look at your target for it to work so he could only kill the ones he was looking at...


Yeah because Pain will totally look at his eyes. Anyway, Kirabi showed us that this can be broken with outside assistance and Pain has six bodies to help out.


Might be trickier, but you actually need to hit your opponent for this one to work, so they would just stay hidden until it burned out.



Really? We've seen his fire jutsu's but I see no proof of him being good with other elements.

He doesn't need to lokk at them all. Look how much he burned Jiraiya's "Toad Mouth Trap" Are you saying that he wasn't looking at the whole thing but a little part of it. Tsukiyomi affects your soul. The first time Itachi fought Sasuke and he used it, his eyes were closed, and when he used it, his eyes opened up. He would be waiting a long time, and Susanoo won't be sitting there, it will attak, plus defend. He used water style attacks. Don't you remember? The first fight with Kakashi. You see him use 2 water style jutsu's.

Pretty sure that was Kisame with the water jutsu.

Actually, Itachi did use one Water Jutsu I can kinda remember, the name escapes me though

Originally posted by Pyron_Express
Then you obviously arent trying hard enough. :/

Or better yet have your eyes checked?
lol he wears glasses y does everyone think itachi will win? pein takes. meh, maybe not that easy, but he does take it.

Not everyone thinks Itachi could beat Pein, one on one Pein would win.

Originally posted by Wil7
Everything you said about Itachi is true. It does affect the soul. That is why Itachi could beat Pein, because he could point at all six bodies and get them all stuck in genjutsu, burn them with amaterasu, get them stuck in tsukiyomi, use susanno to kill them all, etc. For all we know, Itachi could have tons of water style jutsu's, fire style jutsu's, earth style jutsu's, and more. Itachi beats Pein, but close because of Pein's six bodies.

This is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever read. Itachi gets pain stuck in genjutsu? Any high level ninja can break out of genjutsu via chakra release. Let alone a super high level ninja like pain. How many times can itachi even use amaterasu before damaging his eyes? Cuz he wud have to use it at least six times( assuming every attempt connects) for him to use that strategy to defeat pain. As for susano, we really never saw it move. we dont know its speed so i assume pain can stay out of range. also for how long can itachi even use susano? Heck after using amaterasu and Tsukuyumi against sasuke itachi needed to go and rest. The mangekyo sharingan while very powerful would be almost useless against pain instead being very detrimental to itachi cuz it takes so much chakra and wud achieve little against someone with multiple revivable bodies.

I'm confused by the way this debate is working out. Is this now Itachi vs Pein? Or is it still Pein vs Akatsuki?

If so, then once again Pein < Akatsuki

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Not everyone thinks Itachi could beat Pein, one on one Pein would win.
lol i kinda forgot it was all of them vs pein
you make a good point

Originally posted by ultimatethor
This is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever read. Itachi gets pain stuck in genjutsu? Any high level ninja can break out of genjutsu via chakra release. Let alone a super high level ninja like pain. How many times can itachi even use amaterasu before damaging his eyes? Cuz he wud have to use it at least six times( assuming every attempt connects) for him to use that strategy to defeat pain. As for susano, we really never saw it move. we dont know its speed so i assume pain can stay out of range. also for how long can itachi even use susano? Heck after using amaterasu and Tsukuyumi against sasuke itachi needed to go and rest. The mangekyo sharingan while very powerful would be almost useless against pain instead being very detrimental to itachi cuz it takes so much chakra and wud achieve little against someone with multiple revivable bodies.

1. I didn't see Kakashi break out of Tsukiyomi, and didn't see Naruto break out of Ephermal(Chiyo released it).

2. How would Pein break out of it when you need to make a hand sign to break it and your arms are tied, so Pein is screwed here.

3. Amaterasu keeps burning so if even one of Pein's bodies touches amaterasu, there goes another body.

4. Look at the size of Susanno. That thing has such a long reach, it would destroy all the bodies without even moving.

5. Susanno has to burn out and that takes a very long time.

6. Getting one body stuck in there is all he needs, because it takes less than a second to do its job, and Itachi would keep it going. Pein doesn't know about his eyes, so he would look into them, and that will be it.

Amaterasu keeps burning unless sealed away, and Pein won't have the time to do that. Susanno will crush Pein because of the reach it has. Pein doesn't know about not looking into his eyes, and if he closes his eyes, Itachi would burn them all with amaterasu, and if he tries to fight him while looking at his feet, well that is what Itachi wants him to do, because Pein doesn't have the training like Gai does looking at feet. Look at the facts, Itachi has unlimited fire style, and probably water style jutsu's, sharingan would copy Pein's jutsu's such as his arrow move, and absorbtion move(they are not Rinnegan moves), Ephermal(he would just point at him, close your eyes on that/ you can't), Tsukiyomi he might be able to avoid, Amaterasu he might be able to avoid but Itachi would keep following one of Pein's bodies around and then use it, Susanno(good luck), etc. Pein has 6 bodies which gives him an advantage, Rinnegan which copies any ninjutsu, sealing jutsu's: tailed beasts, absorbtion with one of his bodies, can shoot arrows with one of his bodies, summon fierce rain, 5 seal barrier, etc. Itachi beats Pein.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. I didn't see Kakashi break out of Tsukiyomi, and didn't see Naruto break out of Ephermal(Chiyo released it).

2. How would Pein break out of it when you need to make a hand sign to break it and your arms are tied, so Pein is screwed here.

3. Amaterasu keeps burning so if even one of Pein's bodies touches amaterasu, there goes another body.

4. Look at the size of Susanno. That thing has such a long reach, it would destroy all the bodies without even moving.

5. Susanno has to burn out and that takes a very long time.

6. Getting one body stuck in there is all he needs, because it takes less than a second to do its job, and Itachi would keep it going. Pein doesn't know about his eyes, so he would look into them, and that will be it.

Amaterasu keeps burning unless sealed away, and Pein won't have the time to do that. Susanno will crush Pein because of the reach it has. Pein doesn't know about not looking into his eyes, and if he closes his eyes, Itachi would burn them all with amaterasu, and if he tries to fight him while looking at his feet, well that is what Itachi wants him to do, because Pein doesn't have the training like Gai does looking at feet. Look at the facts, Itachi has unlimited fire style, and probably water style jutsu's, sharingan would copy Pein's jutsu's such as his arrow move, and absorbtion move(they are not Rinnegan moves), Ephermal(he would just point at him, close your eyes on that/ you can't), Tsukiyomi he might be able to avoid, Amaterasu he might be able to avoid but Itachi would keep following one of Pein's bodies around and then use it, Susanno(good luck), etc. Pein has 6 bodies which gives him an advantage, Rinnegan which copies any ninjutsu, sealing jutsu's: tailed beasts, absorbtion with one of his bodies, can shoot arrows with one of his bodies, summon fierce rain, 5 seal barrier, etc. Itachi beats Pein.

I will assume in this post that u You are joking. First of all, Tsukuyumi is no normal genjutsu and the fact of the matter is u have to look into his eyes to use it so it is not one of the one finger genjutsus u previously talked about. Also, are u actually comparing naruto and pain? Cuz naruto at the level he was at then is nowhere near half as powerful as pain.

2. Where did u get the idea that u need to make a hand sign to break out of genjutsu? Please stop making thing up. You simply need to regain control of ur chakra flow. For someone llike pain its easy.

3. Why would one of pains bodies touch Amaterasu? So one of pains bodies wud see his fellow body burning with black fire and wud go to touch the black fire? lol

4. Its not about reach, its about speed. It is very easily dodgeable.

5. Very long time? Please where are u getting this?Once again stop making this up. Using Amatarasu only once and then Tsukuyumi for a short time takes up most of itachis chakra. I highlu doubt he can use Susano for a very long time.

6. I wud think that Pain being the leader of Akatsuki and reporting to Madara another MS user wud know about their eyes. Also its practically common knowledge that when fighting a sharingan user u shud not look into his eyes. Even granny chiyo knew it.

Now to the last part. Amaterasu is easily dodgeable or blockable( using summons). Itachi also has to actually look at what he wants it to burn and cant use it more than once( at most maybe twice). Pain has six bodies which will all be attacking from different sides, there is no way in hell that itachi will get all of them in genjutsu. Also even if he does, pain easily broke out of Jiraiyas ultimate genjutsu so aside maybe Tsukuyumi pain will be able to break out easily of any genjutsu itachi may try.( though its unlikely that itachi will even get him in any). Itachi will copy pains absorption move? or his arrow move? Are u ok? When has the sharingan ever copied a move that does not make use of hand seals? Susano is very easily avoidable with speed as well. Not to mention by the time itachi brings it out he will prorbably have used up all his chakra and therefore die on his own. Itachi cant even come close to killing pain with his ninjitsu, will have an his genjutsu rendered ineffective, and wud get his soul pulled out if he tries to use taijutsu. Further, using His MS will probably kill him before pain does.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. I didn't see Kakashi break out of Tsukiyomi, and didn't see Naruto break out of Ephermal(Chiyo released it).
I did however see Kirabi break out of Tsukiyomi... easily. Pain is far, far above any of Itachi's other opponents.

Originally posted by Wil7
2. How would Pein break out of it when you need to make a hand sign to break it and your arms are tied, so Pein is screwed here.
Dude since when do you need a hand seal, Kirabi never used one and neither have tons of characters. Stop making stuff up.

Originally posted by Wil7
3. Amaterasu keeps burning so if even one of Pein's bodies touches amaterasu, there goes another body.
If it touches one body, the others will get the hell out of there. Also Amaterasu can be dodged, and it can be sealed. Also the Hungry Ghost body can absorb it.

Originally posted by Wil7
4. Look at the size of Susanno. That thing has such a long reach, it would destroy all the bodies without even moving.
Hmm, what options do they have?

Summon something to get themselves out of there.

Reverse-summon the bodies that have been summoned.

Dodge.

Get out of range.

Hungry Ghost body can absorb it's attacks.
Originally posted by Wil7
5. Susanno has to burn out and that takes a very long time.
We don't even know if the thing can move.

Originally posted by Wil7
6. Getting one body stuck in there is all he needs, because it takes less than a second to do its job, and Itachi would keep it going. Pein doesn't know about his eyes, so he would look into them, and that will be it.
How the hell would he not know about the eyes, Itachi was his subordinate and he works for Madara who has the same eyes (better actually) I mean even Master Gai knew about the eyes.

Originally posted by Wil7
Amaterasu keeps burning unless sealed away, and Pein won't have the time to do that. Susanno will crush Pein because of the reach it has.
Both attacks fortunately can be dodged or absorbed by Hungry Ghost body.

Originally posted by Wil7
Pein doesn't know about not looking into his eyes,
Based on what?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I did however see Kirabi break out of Tsukiyomi... easily.


Using his Bijuu, not his chakra in any possible way.

I don't see why people think that Itachi can spam attacks in a DBZ fashion when all those attacks drain him considerably...

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Using his Bijuu, not his chakra in any possible way.
He escaped by having his Biju disrupt his chakra.

He escaped by having the Bijuu do the equivalent of tapping his shoulder and telling him to wake the **** up. It's not something you can do by yourself.

Yeah, Blax is right...Though someone with knowledge of it like Pein won't actually look in his eyes.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He escaped by having the Bijuu do the equivalent of tapping his shoulder and telling him to wake the **** up. It's not something you can do by yourself.
Yeah, that will be easy to do since any body that gets trapped will have 5 others to help it out.

The Tsukiyomi can trap multiple people, hence why Kakashi stressed that Kurenai and Asuma close their eyes as well, otherwise they would have also been ensnared.

That wasn't my point, though. I don't care about tsukiyomi vs. Pein, I was just pointing out that your reasoning in that instance sucked. Wil said that Kakashi and Naruto couldn't break out, you replied that Eight-tails did. Eight-tails breaking out is irrelevant though because he had the Bijuu inside him, which counts as another person, something Kakashi and Naruto don't have the luxury of having.

My point was that if you have help you can escape, and it directly ties in to the fact that Pein has six bodies to help eachother.

Well then, I agree.

So there.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I did however see Kirabi break out of Tsukiyomi... easily. Pain is far, far above any of Itachi's other opponents.


Dude since when do you need a hand seal, Kirabi never used one and neither have tons of characters. Stop making stuff up.


If it touches one body, the others will get the hell out of there. Also Amaterasu can be dodged, and it can be sealed. Also the Hungry Ghost body can absorb it.


Hmm, what options do they have?

Summon something to get themselves out of there.

Reverse-summon the bodies that have been summoned.

Dodge.

Get out of range.

Hungry Ghost body can absorb it's attacks.

We don't even know if the thing can move.


How the hell would he not know about the eyes, Itachi was his subordinate and he works for Madara who has the same eyes (better actually) I mean even Master Gai knew about the eyes.


Both attacks fortunately can be dodged or absorbed by Hungry Ghost body.


Based on what?

Kirabi has the biiju inside him.

When have "tons of characters" Chiyo needed one to break Naruto out, and Kakashi couldn't break out.

That consits of handsigns to seal up Amaterasu, and Pein wouldn't have time to do that.

Kirabi has the biiju inside him.

When have "tons of characters" Chiyo needed one to break Naruto out, and Kakashi couldn't break out.

That consits of handsigns to seal up Amaterasu, and Pein wouldn't have time to do that.

Madara's eyes are currently damaged, so they are currently not better. Gai studied Sharingan for years, unlike Pein.

That is 1 body.

Based on what has happened so far.

After the recent issue am now absolutely sure that pain wud take down all of akatsuki

I still don't think Pein can take on Itachi, Deidara, Kisame, Sasori, Kakuzu, and Hidan at the same time.

Originally posted by Wil7
I still don't think Pein can take on Itachi, Deidara, Kisame, Sasori, Kakuzu, and Hidan at the same time.
I agree

I think if Absorbing Pein, and Yahiko Pein are fighting side by side they sure have a good shot at doing so. Add the other four bodies then I think the Akatsuki sure aren't going to be winning that easily. Having half a dozen summons running around, things blowing up everywhere, unable to hit one with any attack, and another absorbing any ninjutsu they use. If they can win it'll take a lot of effort.

Originally posted by Kento
I think if Absorbing Pein, and Yahiko Pein are fighting side by side they sure have a good shot at doing so. Add the other four bodies then I think the Akatsuki sure aren't going to be winning that easily. Having half a dozen summons running around, things blowing up everywhere, unable to hit one with any attack, and another absorbing any ninjutsu they use. If they can win it'll take a lot of effort.

Amaterasu
Crow Clone Jutsu
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Ephemeral
Fire Style: Dragon Fire Jutsu
Fire Style: Great Fireball Jutsu
Fire Style: Phoenix Immortal Fire Jutsu
Mangekyo Sharingan
Sharingan
Shadow Clone Jutsu
Clone Great Explosion
Susanoo
Transcription Seal: Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Water Clone Jutsu
Water Jutsu: Water Fang Bullet

Clay Clone
Creative Destruction
Earth Style: Mole Hiding Jutsu
Exploding Clay (Various levels)
Suicide Bombing Clone

Earth Style: Underground Submarine Voyage
Samehada
Water Clone Jutsu
Water Prison Jutsu
Water Style: Exploding Water Shockwave
Water Style: Five Eating Sharks
Water Style: Grand Waterfall Jutsu
Water Style: Great Whirlpool Entwining Jutsu
Water Style: Water Dragon Blast Jutsu
Water Style: Water Shark Missile Jutsu

Brainwashing Investigation Jutsu
Human Puppets
Iron Sand
Iron Sand Drizzle
Iron Sand Gathering
Iron Sand World Order
Puppet Master Jutsu
Red Secret Jutsu: Performance of a Hundred Puppets
Sand Clone
Thousand Hands Manipulation Military Art

Earth Grudge Fear
Iron Body
Earth Style: Earth Spear
Fire Style: Intelligent Hard Work
Lightning Style: False Darkness
Wind Style: Pressure Damage
Unnamed Water Disintegration Style

Immortality (Jashin religion's secret jutsu)
Pikes
Triple-Bladed Scythe
Sorcery: Death Controller Possessing Blood

vs

Amplification Summoning Jutsu (Nine-Headed Canine Summon)
Body Replacement Jutsu
Fierce Raining at Will
Five Seals Barrier
Flaming Arrow of Amazing Ability
Illusionary Dragon Nine Consuming Seals
Magic Lantern Body Jutsu
Mirrored Sudden Attacker
Panda Iron Wall (Panda Summon)
Sealing Style Absorption Seal
Shapeshifting Jutsu
Shinra Tensei
Soul Removal (Unnamed)
Summoning Jutsu (Multiple)
Water Style: Violent Bubble Wave (Crustacean Summon)
Water Style: Violent Water Wave
Wind Style: Violent Wind Palm

Pein has extreamly strong and devistating jutsu's, but with Itachi's, Deidara's, Sasori's, Kisame's, Hidan's, and Kakuzu's jutsu's put together, I don't think Pein can win. I say the rest of the Akatsuki 7-9/10 still.

More jutsu = instant win?

And I don't doubt the Akatsuki could win. But it won't be easy. Not when one of the bodies can fling there attacks any way he wants, and another can absorb any of there jutsu with ease. Not to mention all the summons they have to defeat which will waste chakra, and all the explosions they are going to have to dodge by the other Pein. It'll be a hard fight if they do win.

Originally posted by Kento
More jutsu = instant win?

And I don't doubt the Akatsuki could win. But it won't be easy. Not when one of the bodies can fling there attacks any way he wants, and another can absorb any of there jutsu with ease. Not to mention all the summons they have to defeat which will waste chakra, and all the explosions they are going to have to dodge by the other Pein. It'll be a hard fight if they do win.

I doesn't mean instant win, but with all of those jutsu's and the power of each and everyone of those jutsu's, yeah, not an instant win, but they still win.

Heck, everyone knows it won't be easy. You do have a vallid arguement, and I can't say I disagree with you, because you are right, but if Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, Sasori, and Kakuzu distract and fight Pein long enough so that Hidan can get some blood from Pein, that ends it there, because I don't see Pein stopping being stabbed in the heart, or head. Itachi could burn all of the bodies, or get them stuck in genjutsu, Deidara could use C-3, C-4, or C-O, and win, Kisame has damaging water style attacks, Sasori has 250 puppets, and Kakuzu has the hearts at his disposal, against Pein, well everything that you said about Pein is awesome, and with Kisame, Itachi, Sasori, Hidan, and Deidara fighting Pein and wasting his chakra, it might give Hidan a way to get blood from Pein.

What's blood from dead bodies going to really do? Hidan's jutsu is worthless against Pein with Nagato not around.

Originally posted by Kento
What's blood from dead bodies going to really do? Hidan's jutsu is worthless against Pein with Nagato not around.

If Nagato isn't around then all of the other bodies against the rest of the akatsuki are SKAROOOOD.

Nagato isn't ever around. Why would he be now? Nagato being hidden away wherever he is, and controlling the bodies is what he does. That doesn't change anything. Hidan getting the blood of the bodies he's controlling isn't going to kill him or he'd be dead already when Jiraiya killed the bodies but instead they were just revived.

Originally posted by Kento
Nagato isn't ever around. Why would he be now? Nagato being hidden away wherever he is, and controlling the bodies is what he does. That doesn't change anything. Hidan getting the blood of the bodies he's controlling isn't going to kill him or he'd be dead already when Jiraiya killed the bodies but instead they were just revived.

Why would he be now? Well lets see. Itachi is at a high jounin level, Kisame is at a high jounin level, Deidara is at a high jounin level, Kakuzu is at a high jounin level, Sasori is at a high jounin level, and Hidan is at a high jounin level. Pein has never been in a battle as tough as this one here, and if he doesn't come out and fight as well, it will be a quicker victory for Akatsuki, then it would be if he fought as well. And even if Hidan is a useless Akatsuki, MS, Clay Bombs, 4 masks of destruction, water shark bomb attacks, 250 puppets, and all of there other jutsu's is enough to finally give Pein his first loss.

That doesn't make any sense. We don't even know if Nagato has any type of power in his real body. We have no idea what Nagato can do at all. Him coming out wouldn't make a bit of difference. Not when he's got six bodies already to match up against the Akatsuki. All the different abilities of each body that complement each weakness a body has, plus half a dozen summons, and giant explosions means the lower Akatsuki memebers aren't winning this easily if Nagato stays away. Seeing as how Nagato wouldn't contribute anything, and as long as he's hidden he can keep reviving the bodies.

Originally posted by Kento
That doesn't make any sense. We don't even know if Nagato has any type of power in his real body. We have no idea what Nagato can do at all. Him coming out wouldn't make a bit of difference. Not when he's got six bodies already to match up against the Akatsuki. All the different abilities of each body that complement each weakness a body has, plus half a dozen summons, and giant explosions means the lower Akatsuki memebers aren't winning this easily if Nagato stays away. Seeing as how Nagato wouldn't contribute anything, and as long as he's hidden he can keep reviving the bodies.

Nagato is the one with Rinnegan, of course he has abilities. All Akatsuki, except for Hidan, can kill 1 body. Heck, Deidara just uses C-3, C-4, or C-0 and kills Pein. Itachi uses Tsukiyomi on Pein, etc. Still would be a good battle, but Akatsuki win. Pein could be all of them, but not at the same time.

Except we don't know what he has besides Rinnegan. And Pein's bodies are teams. They complement each other, and make up for the weakness. The Akatsuki are going to have to overcome that which I think will be extremely hard. It's not like it's going to be one-on-one fights. Each body will be helping out the other bodies so they'll have to deal with Absorbing Pein, Yahiko Pein, Summoning Pein, Missle Pein, and the other two bodies whatever they do all at the same time.

Originally posted by Kento
Except we don't know what he has besides Rinnegan. And Pein's bodies are teams. They complement each other, and make up for the weakness. The Akatsuki are going to have to overcome that which I think will be extremely hard. It's not like it's going to be one-on-one fights. Each body will be helping out the other bodies so they'll have to deal with Absorbing Pein, Yahiko Pein, Summoning Pein, Missle Pein, and the other two bodies whatever they do all at the same time.

True, but he is probably has everything, and more than Body 1. Easy, Itachi burns the main body with Amaterasu, Deidara blows one up with C-4, and heck, if its not 1 on 1 fights, it is a little easier now that each other will be helping the other. Yahiko will die from Amaterasu, no avoiding it, Summoning Pein gets blown up, and Kisame drowns the rest with water, and shark bombs, + Sasori's needles.

Pein has a lot more teamwork than the Akatsuki would have. Heck Deidara would probably hinder his own team with any of his great attacks. Microscopic Bombs, everybody dies, blowing himself up, everybody dies, hiding bombs underground, all but Itachi, and Pein have no idea where to find them. Deidara would have to hold back in a team battle more than anybody else.

Kisame making a lake wouldn't hinder anybody, and how can you drown dead bodies? And how does the other jutsu work against a guy that can deflect them, and a guy that can just absorb them working together. And Amaterasu is avoidable. They still have to deal with the half a dozen summons while trying to deal with half a dozen bodies that act as one with much better teamwork, and deal with missles coming at them.

I'm not saying they'll loose but really isn't not so easily known when there are a lot of factors to look at. More so in this team based match that will actually be more team based than any other. The Akatsuki will have to worry about their teams, try not to get in each others way, Deidara's biggest attacks are nulled unless he wants to kill his teammates also. Meanwhile Pein is basically one person that doesn't have to worry about anything his teammates do because they are all him and controlled by him.

Originally posted by Kento
Pein has a lot more teamwork than the Akatsuki would have. Heck Deidara would probably hinder his own team with any of his great attacks. Microscopic Bombs, everybody dies, blowing himself up, everybody dies, hiding bombs underground, all but Itachi, and Pein have no idea where to find them. Deidara would have to hold back in a team battle more than anybody else.

Well, if everybody dies, no one wins, and no one loses either.

Originally posted by Kento
Kisame making a lake wouldn't hinder anybody, and how can you drown dead bodies? And how does the other jutsu work against a guy that can deflect them, and a guy that can just absorb them working together. And Amaterasu is avoidable. They still have to deal with the half a dozen summons while trying to deal with half a dozen bodies that act as one with much better teamwork, and deal with missles coming at them.

O.k., maybe not drown them, but Kisame's water attaks will do enough damage to Pein's bodies to let someone finish him off. If Amaterasu is avoidable, then how come not even Sasuke could avoid it then? That will be Deidara's main job then, destroy the summonings. Itachi genjutsu's the missles.

Originally posted by Kento
I'm not saying they'll loose but really isn't not so easily known when there are a lot of factors to look at. More so in this team based match that will actually be more team based than any other. The Akatsuki will have to worry about their teams, try not to get in each others way, Deidara's biggest attacks are nulled unless he wants to kill his teammates also. Meanwhile Pein is basically one person that doesn't have to worry about anything his teammates do because they are all him and controlled by him.

And I am not saying this battle is a walk in the park, but they can win. Itachi and Kisame are a great team, Deidara and Sasori are a good team, and Kakuzu and Hidan, well they just flat out suck. A C-3 bomb is extremly hard to avoid, and I don't think Pein will be able to avoid consistant C-leveled bombs and fight the others. The only one that can dodge the bombs that I can think of are Itachi, because he already beat Deidara, and knows how to avoid his attacks. We already know that Pein can lose bodies, because Jiraiya KILLED one, and Itachi, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori, and Kisame are like a bunch of Jiraiya's in skill.

Originally posted by Wil7
Well, if everybody dies, no one wins, and no one loses either.



O.k., maybe not drown them, but Kisame's water attaks will do enough damage to Pein's bodies to let someone finish him off. If Amaterasu is avoidable, then how come not even Sasuke could avoid it then? That will be Deidara's main job then, destroy the summonings. Itachi genjutsu's the missles.



And I am not saying this battle is a walk in the park, but they can win. Itachi and Kisame are a great team, Deidara and Sasori are a good team, and Kakuzu and Hidan, well they just flat out suck. A C-3 bomb is extremly hard to avoid, and I don't think Pein will be able to avoid consistant C-leveled bombs and fight the others. The only one that can dodge the bombs that I can think of are Itachi, because he already beat Deidara, and knows how to avoid his attacks. We already know that Pein can lose bodies, because Jiraiya KILLED one, and Itachi, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori, and Kisame are like a bunch of Jiraiya's in skill.

Sasuke did avoid Amaterasu. Though that's neither here nor there since Itachi wasn't trying. Sasuke also isn't on Pein's level. First how is Itachi going to genjutsu missles and use Amaterasu? Second how do you genjutsu a missle to begin with? Since genjutsu is illusion that doesn't work on inanimate objects.

None of Akatsuki have ever shown teamwork except Hidan and Kakuzu. And again how would Deidara be fighting summon after summon and Pein at the same time? And Itachi beat Deidara without Deidara doing anything big. He wouldn't know what Deidara was doing or anything as he doesn't know Deidara. Sasori would have a better chance avoiding Deidara's attacks because they know each other. And the only two anywhere close to Jiraiya in skill would be Itachi and Kisame. All the others are between Kakashi, and Sasuke level.

Originally posted by Kento
Sasuke did avoid Amaterasu. Though that's neither here nor there since Itachi wasn't trying. Sasuke also isn't on Pein's level. First how is Itachi going to genjutsu missles and use Amaterasu? Second how do you genjutsu a missle to begin with? Since genjutsu is illusion that doesn't work on inanimate objects.

None of Akatsuki have ever shown teamwork except Hidan and Kakuzu. And again how would Deidara be fighting summon after summon and Pein at the same time? And Itachi beat Deidara without Deidara doing anything big. He wouldn't know what Deidara was doing or anything as he doesn't know Deidara. Sasori would have a better chance avoiding Deidara's attacks because they know each other. And the only two anywhere close to Jiraiya in skill would be Itachi and Kisame. All the others are between Kakashi, and Sasuke level.

He avoided it one time, and was hit another time, and Itachi got hit by it as well, and both of them are faster than Pein.Kakashi genjutsu a missle with MS, and Itachi can do that as well.

Kisame and Itachi are supposibly the best team out of all of the Akatsuki. Pein oppenly admitted this, and also said Kisame has the best reserved chakra. Deidara wanted to challenge him again, and why didn't he, because Deidara said he is a far superior opponent and he would die. I would have to say Itachi, Deidara, and Kisame are Jiraiya's level, but with the others in the mix, then they are pretty unstoppable.

IMO, Deidara>Kisame

Originally posted by Wil7
He avoided it one time, and was hit another time, and Itachi got hit by it as well, and both of them are faster than Pein.Kakashi genjutsu a missle with MS, and Itachi can do that as well.

Kisame and Itachi are supposibly the best team out of all of the Akatsuki. Pein oppenly admitted this, and also said Kisame has the best reserved chakra. Deidara wanted to challenge him again, and why didn't he, because Deidara said he is a far superior opponent and he would die. I would have to say Itachi, Deidara, and Kisame are Jiraiya's level, but with the others in the mix, then they are pretty unstoppable.

IMO, Deidara>Kisame No he avoided it both times. He avoided it once and Itachi chased him with it, then he avoided it a second time by using a Orochimaru jutsu that made a clone of him.

Kamui isn't genjutsu. He didn't genjutsu Deidara's clone to a different dimension. That's a ninjutsu. A ninjutsu that only Kakashi has at that.

Best team because they are the strongest. Doesn't mean they have any teamwork. Or teamwork anywhere near Pein and his bodies. I doubt anybody could have teamwork on the level of Pein and his bodies anyway.

Deidara being beaten by Itachi really has no bearing on Itachi knowing his moves at all.

Deidara is barley over Sasuke's level. He isn't anywhere close to Jiraiya's level.

They are far from unstoppable as a team since they have no teamwork since they will be going up against a person who has the greatest teamwork and uses his other bodies to make up for his weaknesses. In a team battle like this it's going to be hard. They can't go at it by themselves and they don't know each other well enough to work effective as a team no matter how strong they are.

I don't think pein can beat all the other deadly ninja in akatsuki by himself even with six bodies that all have on unique ability

Originally posted by roz88
I don't think pein can beat all the other deadly ninja in akatsuki by himself even with six bodies that all have on unique ability

Agree, even though Kento has good points, I still think a C-3 bomb can end Pein, and the others, or even Itachi using any of the MS. It would still be a good fight, but I don't think Pein can win.

C-3 would also probably effectively wipeout his teammates also..So it wouldn't be smart to use.

As for MS jutsu. The only one that would really work would be Susanoo. But that would kill Itachi. Amaterasu blocked by Absorbing Pein after being deflected by Yahiko Pein to him, and Tsukiyomi is broken by one of the other five bodies.

Who cares, if it takes care of everyone but him, Akatsuki wins.

Or it could be detonated early and blow him to kingdom come with a missle. *shrugs* Or have it flung who knows where by Yahiko and his gravity powers.

Most of Pains bodies were owned by Jiraiya's genjutsu, and technically, if even one of Pains bodies see's Itachi mangekyou, they all would be literally making eye-contact with mangekyou, so wouldn't they all be affected? Even the real Pain? IMO, Itachi has the tools to take down Pains bodies, this is a perfectly healthy itachi right?

Pain wins. Akatsuki members dont normally fight as a team while Pain is a master of it. The offensive ninjutsu etc will be nulllified by either absorbing pain or Gravity pain. Also with eight huge summons running around most of the akatsuki members will be very busy. Guys like Hidan and Deidara whose attacks will be ineffective will most likely get hit with missles or get their souls pulled out. Sasori's poison attacks will also be useless and he will get blown to pieces by missles. as well. As for Itachi, amaterasu wont work and may most likely be directed to one of the akatsuki members. Tsukuyumi is broken by one of the other pains ( that is if it works cuz pain seems to be quite adept at genjutsu himself). If itachi brings out susano he will rpobably die of over chakra use. Kisame really has no attacks that will cause any problems for pain either Eventually he too gets destroyed or has his soul pulled out.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Most of Pains bodies were owned by Jiraiya's genjutsu, and technically, if even one of Pains bodies see's Itachi mangekyou, they all would be literally making eye-contact with mangekyou, so wouldn't they all be affected? Even the real Pain? IMO, Itachi has the tools to take down Pains bodies, this is a perfectly healthy itachi right? If that was the case that the real Pein gets affected by genjutsu when it's used then Pein wouldn't of been able to bring out another body and be juts fine when Jiraiya used genjutsu. Besides Jiraiya's genjutsu was sound based and could attack more than one person. Itachi's Tsukiyomi has only been shown to affect one person at a time.

No, because it was never stated that all of their bodies share the same sense of hearing, it was only stated they share the same vision, the rinnegan will see all. The wavy sound thing has to actually physically travel to each body, whereas Tsukiyomi works by having eye contact with Itachi's mangekyou.


Thats not true, thats only because coincidently he's only used it on one person at a time. But remember when he fought the 3 jounins? Kakashi said that if any of them made eye contact with Itachi while he had his mangekyou on, they will all be finished, thats why all of them closed their eyes.


Tsukiyomi cannot be broken by the other Pains, it happens instantly, and is over instantly, hell he couldn't even break through Jiraiya genjutsu, and Tsukiyomi was said to be the strongest Genjutsu. Also, since they all have the same sense of vision, if one of the Pains make eye contact with Itachi, all the bodies do. If this is a fully healthy Itachi, Susanoo wouldn't kill him. He on the brink of death by disease, gave Naruto his powers, spammed mangekyou, and still had quite enough power with Susanoo.

The fact that dead bodies can hear what is being said, and Nagato would be the one hearing, and talking through the dead bodies. He would be hearing the genjutsu himself.

Kakashi didn't even know what move he was doing. So how would he even know if Itachi can use it on one person or not?

Susanoo - However the technique will drain the life of the user through continued use.

There's no way Tsukuyomi would affect all the Pains. I mean, it would make sense if it did, but we can see from Jiraiya's Genjutsu that it's simply not what happens.

The sound waves didn't physically reach the other bodies ears, thats why they weren't affected by it. It can be blocked if the sound waves don't physically reach into the victims ears. However, if they all share the same sense of vision which was even stated in the manga, they will all have eye contact with Mangekyou, and feel the effects of it, just as the bodies felt the effects of Jiraiya's genjutsu, when the sound waves physically reached the bodies ears.

Kakashi knew of Mangekyou, thats he made everyone close their eyes, he knew the sharingan genjutsu can affect more then one person hence why all of them closed their eyes. There's nothing really to suggest it can only affect one person at a time. All of Itachi's fights just happened to be one on one.

It does drain his life after continually using it, but its not like if he uses it once, he's dead, he can probably use it once a battle.

The Pains can hear what eachother hear, that's how the "Central" Pain can hear and generate responses to people talking to his bodies.

Yeah but the actual harmful sound waves physically don't reach his ear, which is needed in order for Jiraiya's genjutsu to work, the waves go into his ear and paralyzes his move/brain
http://i38.tinypic.com/1zbf9qh.jpg

Itachi's genjutsu works different, it works as soon as you make make contact with his eyes, since all Pains body have the same eyes, and share the same vision, if one Pain makes eye contact with Itachi, all of them do, if it was Itachi there, all of them would see it.
http://i37.tinypic.com/2v0op45.jpg

Originally posted by Terryc250
The sound waves didn't physically reach the other bodies ears, thats why they weren't affected by it. It can be blocked if the sound waves don't physically reach into the victims ears. However, if they all share the same sense of vision which was even stated in the manga, they will all have eye contact with Mangekyou, and feel the effects of it, just as the bodies felt the effects of Jiraiya's genjutsu, when the sound waves physically reached the bodies ears.

Kakashi knew of Mangekyou, thats he made everyone close their eyes, he knew the sharingan genjutsu can affect more then one person hence why all of them closed their eyes. There's nothing really to suggest it can only affect one person at a time. All of Itachi's fights just happened to be one on one.
Everything about Pein is controlled. They see, and hear everything the others do because it's one person. Pein is one person. He hears whatever the bodies hear. The fact he wasn't effected by the genjutsu means he won't be effected by a sight based genjutsu either.


No he knows of Sharingan jutsu. He didn't know anything about MS or Tsukiyomi at all until after Itachi told him, and used it on him. Looking into a sharingan users eyes can cast other genjutsu also not just Tsukiyomi. It's why he tried to fight it with his sharingan. Because he didn't know.

Originally posted by Kento
Everything about Pein is controlled. They see, and hear everything the others do because it's one person. Pein is one person. He hears whatever the bodies hear. The fact he wasn't effected by the genjutsu means he won't be effected by a sight based genjutsu either.

The thing is, its not simply just "hearing" the actual wavy things that are emitted must travel into the persons ear. Simply just hearing it won't affect the person.


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And besides that, Pain felt a bit of the affects of it prior, he's not stupid, the real Pain would obviously disrupt his sense of hearing so that it wouldn't affect the true him. Tsukiyomi is different though, it works instantly and is over instantly as soon as you look into the eyes.


...And he knows that it affects multiple people. Tsukiyomi IS a sharingan jutsu, just a far more powerful and deadly jutsu. You're talking like Tsukiyomi isn't genjutsu, or that its inferior to genjutsu. Tsukiyomi is the most powerful genjutsu in Naruto. Kakashi underestimated its power if anything. You're basically saying that Regular Sharingan genjutsu affects multiple people, but not Tsukiyomi, which theres nothing that suggests that it doesn't. All genjutsu can affect multiple people, especially sharingan genjutsu which is why Kakashi wanted everyone to close their eyes, hell, even Kurenai's genjutsu affected both kisame and itachi.

The way things are looking. I doubt Pain can beat Itachi and sasori one on one. Sasori no cuz Sasori is a beast. In all honest Sasori and Itachi would wtf own Pain the way this looks