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Who wins?

4th only had a few feats

So

the only thing the fourth really has is speed

By feats Pain, though Yondaime's reputation makes it hard to say.

yea it does make it hard 2 say but i think pein will win it depends witch body he uses or he can just use all of them

pein is probably the most difficult ninja to fight since he has like ...5 powers per body. leaning towards the peinster.

LIKE I SAID B4 PEIN WILL WIN

4th Hokage wins. If Jiraiya can beat at least 1 body, then the 4th can beat all. He beat the 9 tailed fox, that is his best feat. 4th Hokage, good fight though.

Yondaime's best feat got him killed.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yondaime's best feat got him killed.

Yeah, the "kill anyone regardless of how powerful they are" move.

Originally posted by Wil7
4th Hokage wins. If Jiraiya can beat at least 1 body, then the 4th can beat all. He beat the 9 tailed fox, that is his best feat. 4th Hokage, good fight though.

its not like he killed him he just sealed the demon away

The 4th had his whole village support to help him seal the Kyuubi away. Pain would murder the 4th. Force powers ftw

Originally posted by Wil7
He beat the 9 tailed fox, that is his best feat.
Are you implying he's going to use the demon seal on Pain? Since you actually need to grab and hold someone to use it and there are six Pains (one of which cannot be touched unless you do it with exactly correct timing, and certainly cannot be held onto for any period) that would be kind of hard.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Are you implying he's going to use the demon seal on Pain? Since you actually need to grab and hold someone to use it There is no reason to assume he needs to touch the person considering the circumstances and end result are a lot different from when Sarutobi used it. He some how managed to pull the kyubi's soul / spirit which would be pretty big and would take some time, holding on to Kyubi all while carrying Naruto, I don't think so.

Speed is ultimate and the 4th is one of the fastest characters, can Peins bodies survive with out a head? Can he react to his speed? It doesn't matter any way because we just don't know enough about Minato so Pein wins unless hopefully one day Minato gets a spin off like the Kakashi gaiden.

i think shiki fuujin cud kill even pain, and yondaime, can, in that time, grab the soul out of every single body of pain{like the 3rd did again uro and the past hokages}. but its a suicide move. it wud be odd to see two of jiraya's greatest students duke it out.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yondaime's best feat got him killed.
I know pein isnt stronger than the 9 tailed fox, so if yondaime sealed away kyuubi at the price of his life, then a fight with him and pein will end in a draw or Yondaime will win.

How so?

Yondaime had the entire armies of Konoha backing him, along with Gamabunta, and still could not beat Kyuubi without ending his own life. And Kyuubi is still one entity, one soul. Pain is many entities, and the real body of him is not even in sight. Hell, Pain's bodies he uses in battles are essentially just animated corpes, they prolly don't even have souls.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
How so?

Yondaime had the entire armies of Konoha backing him, along with Gamabunta, and still could not beat Kyuubi without ending his own life. And Kyuubi is still one entity, one soul. Pain is many entities, and the real body of him is not even in sight. Hell, Pain's bodies he uses in battles are essentially just animated corpes, they prolly don't even have souls.

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1. shiki fuujin works with any number of kage bunshins so there goes pain's strength in number

2. the shiki fuujin killed yodaime, not kyuubi, he wud have died reguardles of the foe being the kyuubi or a lady bug if he performed the shiki fuujin.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. shiki fuujin works with any number of kage bunshins so there goes pain's strength in number

2. the shiki fuujin killed yodaime, not kyuubi, he wud have died reguardles of the foe being the kyuubi or a lady bug if he performed the shiki fuujin.

No record of Minato having Kage Bushin

...Honestly it would be stupid if he did not.

Not really. Every shinobi doesnt have to have Kage Bushin to be great. Look at Sasuke. he is getting along just nicely without it.

Sasuke never had an opportunity to learn it either.

Funny thing is. On another forum. Were discussing why he doesn't use it. But he has it though. To a degree. A) he saw Naruto do it so many times. B) Learned it from his brother when they were younger. C) He also has Kage Bushin Shuriken which is technically the same but doing it on a object

Hm. You could be right, I can't remember.

But Yondaime probably DOES have it, he just doesn't really need it, his own trademark jutsu is better, the teleportation thing(can't remember name).

flying thunder god jutsu

Stfu.

sneaky2

Originally posted by Csdabest
Funny thing is. On another forum. Were discussing why he doesn't use it. But he has it though. To a degree. A) he saw Naruto do it so many times. B) Learned it from his brother when they were younger. C) He also has Kage Bushin Shuriken which is technically the same but doing it on a object The only reason Naruto uses shadow clones like he does is because he is the only one with enough chakra to do it. It would not make sense for Sasuke to use it in a fight because he does not need to and it uses to much chakra.

imagine naruto learned and utilized the flying thunder god technique and couples it with mass shadow clones holding resengans.... he could take over the ninja world in a week..

Kage Bunshin is just a form of Bunshin jutsu, everyone has differnt types of Bunshins, Kakashi probably has a ton of different Bunshin's, water bunshins, ice bunshins, sand bunshins, mud bunshins, i'm pretty sure the 4th hokage has a few himself.

if pein has some of the other paths with him in the fight, minato's advantage might be lessened since the paths can watch each other's backs, plus the rin'nigan can HAX moves that it focuses on.

Originally posted by Magee
The only reason Naruto uses shadow clones like he does is because he is the only one with enough chakra to do it. It would not make sense for Sasuke to use it in a fight because he does not need to and it uses to much chakra.

most ninja have kage bunshin jutsu its the mass shadow clone jutsu that only naruto has

pein will beat the 4th ok