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Who takes this?

This is one I'm really unsure about, but I think that Krayt should be able to take it from what I've heard, but I'm unsure about it, as I've never read the comics (cause I think they're totally retarded and demerit everything all the characters did in the NJO and all that). Lets see the general consensus.

I'd give it to Krayt. He's far more experienced, armed with the Vonduun Crab Armour, and has vastly superior showings.

And the fact that he treats his saber hilt like a dildo.

How come every single named sith lord seems to be more powerful than jedi that are considered to be "one of the greatest ever"?

Agen Colar was stated to be one of the most skilled jedi ever, right? And yet almost EVERY named sith lord surpasses him.

Even Obi Wan and Anakin seem to be surpassed by most.

Because being one of the most skilled Jedi ever doesn't automatically mean you can defeat the even the worst Sith ever. With all due respect to Darth Bandon.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Because being one of the most skilled Jedi ever doesn't automatically mean you can defeat the even the worst Sith ever. With all due respect to Darth Bandon. Thats Darth "Badass" Bandon to you Sir.

Who got beaten by Darth 'more badass' Revan.

this is a tough one, but i think Krayt slightly ftw

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Who got beaten by Darth 'more badass' Revan. No he didn't Bandon didnt feel revan was worthy of killing him, he committed suicide.

I guess it's hard being a God amongst men.

Assuming Krayt was in stasis even 50% of the time between him creating the sith order and the sith order revealing themselves to the galaxy(and that's being generous), Krayt had at the very least, a half century to refine his saber abilities. We don't know how powerful the Imperial Knights are but he swiftly takes out 4 of them I believe. I would give this one to Krayt based solely on experience.

Experience didn't help Yoda or Dooku though.

Krayt is probably more powerful as far as mastery over the force. But how powerful was he? What was his greatest showings in power? Is it enough to assure him a victory?

How skilled and powerful were the imperial knights? Weren't they only slightly force sensitive kinda like Palpatine's royal guards, except with a lightsaber? Anakin did at least stand a chance against Dooku on Tatooine, who i would put firmly above Krayt (if we go by showings and quotes).

Nephthys
Experience didn't help Yoda or Dooku though.

it helped ur mom last nite

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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
How skilled and powerful were the imperial knights? Weren't they only slightly force sensitive kinda like Palpatine's royal guards, except with a lightsaber?

Nope. They were equal to fully trained Jedi.

Those specific four were elite Imperial Knights and their leader was Emperor Fel's cousin and bodyguard Mohrgan Fel.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Assuming Krayt was in stasis even 50% of the time between him creating the sith order and the sith order revealing themselves to the galaxy(and that's being generous), Krayt had at the very least, a half century to refine his saber abilities. We don't know how powerful the Imperial Knights are but he swiftly takes out 4 of them I believe. I would give this one to Krayt based solely on experience.

Exactly. Plus he defeated Cade Skywalker. Cade only escaped because his mother shot Krayt in the back.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Experience didn't help Yoda or Dooku though.

Yoda fought the most powerful sith lord of all time. A'sharad Hett was considered a prodigy when he was a jedi and he's had around 100 years to refine his saber abilities while we're still dealing with a 20 something Anakin

Krayt also has a psychological edge from knowing he's beaten Anakin before (back when he was still A'sharad Hett). A small edge true, but it's still there.

I don't recall him ever beating Anakin.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I don't recall him ever beating Anakin.

It was in "Star Wars Republic 59: Enemy Lines."

Here is a quote from Wookieepedia:

"Imagining them to be the Sand People who had kidnapped and tortured his mother, Anakin slaughtered them without pity. In the heat of his rage Anakin even tried to attack A'Sharad, but the elder Jedi defended himself, and managed to disarm the younger Jedi."

lol but that was when his thoughts were clouded by emo-ness, and ROTS anakin totally shits on ATOC anakin. I think ROTS anakin would have surpassed Hett by ep 3.

Originally posted by Gideon
it helped ur mom last nite

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Originally posted by kotorfan
lol but that was when his thoughts were clouded by emo-ness, and ROTS anakin totally shits on ATOC anakin. I think ROTS anakin would have surpassed Hett by ep 3.

Absolutely. I was just pointing out that the fact he'd defeated Anakin previously would add to Krayt's confidence.

That was also a younger and weaker Anakin

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
That was also a younger and weaker Anakin

And a Hett without 100 more years of saber and force/dark side improvement.

Not saying Akain would win, but he would surely do better now than the first time. If Dooku's 80 years were turned into a joke, what's 20 more? Are we to assume that Krayt is more powerful or better than Dooku by that incredible of a margin?

Krayt has nothing on Dooku.

Ok, then maybe I will switch over to Anakin's side. We can't always assume he'll be in the mind state he was in with OB1, cause he was out of character then.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Ok, then maybe I will switch over to Anakin's side. We can't always assume he'll be in the mind state he was in with OB1, cause he was out of character then. Krayt's only claim to fame is a exceptional user of Jar'Kai and being good at Force Lightning and I agree Anakin will take this since Dooku>>Krayt.

Well let me clarify I don't to imply Anakin wins by way of A>B>C. I just think that since he smashed someone who is well above Krayt, then it shouldn't be far-fetched that Anakin could beat him as well.

I understand ABC's are highly erm...conditional. But in this such a case if we go on lightsaber skill and Force Power alone, Dooku is still above Krayt and Anakin is above Dooku due to his insane reserves etc.

Smashed everyone who was above Krayt? If you're referring to Dooku, Gideon pointed out that Anakin isn't superior to Dooku in saber combat, but that he won due to his rage. Since "in teh z0ne' Anakin isn't the usual Anakin, we can't simply assume that he'll transform into a raging sissy, otherwise we'd have to assume Obiwan would do the exact same thing since he did it against Maul. Also, with anywhere from 50 to 100 years more saber refinement for Krayt should definitely give him the edge.

I understand Anakin=Dooku saber combat. Just with him tapping into the DS and his Force Reserves he's able to make up for Dooku's advantage. With what I know about Krayt from the comics, unless Anakin goes DS Krayt will handle him.
Edit- Stop distracting me I'm meant to be completing Batman: Arkham Asylum.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Smashed everyone who was above Krayt? If you're referring to Dooku, Gideon pointed out that Anakin isn't superior to Dooku in saber combat, but that he won due to his rage. Since "in the z0ne' Anakin isn't the usual Anakin, we can't simply assume that he'll transform into a raging sissy, otherwise we'd have to assume Obiwan would do the exact same thing since he did it against Maul. Also, with anywhere from 50 to 100 years more saber refinement for Krayt should definitely give him the edge. I didn't say everyone. I said he smashed Dooku, who is above Krayt. You can have all the time in the world to refine your skills, but once your potential is reached, that's it. It's unlikely that Krayt was that close to the skill of Dooku, given the rave reviews of Dooku. And at that point in time, why can't we assume that "in the zone" Anakin isn't the norm? He was only a whiny b!tch about it when facing OB1 after having time to stew over what he'd done.

He's not always going to be just turning to the darkside and just starting to realize what he's done, and just got done hurting Padme and fighting his "brother" in the midst of all this shit. There's no reason to assume that would consistently make the same arrogant choices when not clouded by the actions of evil he had just done in the movie.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Not saying Akain would win, but he would surely do better now than the first time. If Dooku's 80 years were turned into a joke, what's 20 more?

What you have to remember though was that in that fight with Dooku, Anakin was goaded into unleashing his rage against someone he had a personal hatred towards, plus he was fighting to save two of the people he cared about most (Kenobi and Palpatine).

Here he isn't trying to save anyone else and he doesn't have a personal hate towards Krayt (who he probably won't recognise as A'Sharad). Even if he did recognise him, he didn't hate A'Sharad like he did Dooku.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
And at that point in time, why can't we assume that "in the zone" Anakin isn't the norm?

Because he doesn't have that kind of intense, personal hatred towards everybody.

Anakin still gave Dooku a good run for his money on Tatooine. If I remember correctly, they were almost evenly matched until Dooku owned him with the force.

Something in me wants to say Krayt takes this, but what does Krayt have on Anakin? As long as Anakin has his saber, force lightning will do no good.

Where's Anakin blocked lightning before? I seem to remember Dooku handing Anakin's ass to him.

Originally posted by mattatom
Where's Anakin blocked lightning before? I seem to remember Dooku handing Anakin's ass to him.

He blocked a lightning attack from Dooku. And ummm... No. Dooku did not hand him his ass.

Dooku's lightning =/= Krayt's lightning. Krayt's displayed far greater control over the power (surrounding Darth Talon with it, where it was literally inches from her body, without actually harming her, not to mention his ability to released it omnidirectionally from his body) and even if it were to come to saber combat, he has decades of experience which combined with his exceptional talent would make him an exceptionally dangerous opponent (and he displays as much when he slaughters four elite imperial knights in close combat in moments), and he also happens to have the added advantage of the Vonduun Crab Armour (high resistance against lightsaber attacks, allows him to fight in an unorthodox manner and focus more on the offence without as much of an expense on his defence). On paper, Krayt wins this one, and he'd take Dooku and Yoda too.

Originally posted by NAESRBI
Dooku's lightning =/= Krayt's lightning. Krayt's displayed far greater control over the power (surrounding Darth Talon with it, where it was literally inches from her body, without actually harming her, not to mention his ability to released it omnidirectionally from his body) and even if it were to come to saber combat, he has decades of experience which combined with his exceptional talent would make him an exceptionally dangerous opponent (and he displays as much when he slaughters four elite imperial knights in close combat in moments), and he also happens to have the added advantage of the Vonduun Crab Armour (high resistance against lightsaber attacks, allows him to fight in an unorthodox manner and focus more on the offence without as much of an expense on his defence). On paper, Krayt wins this one, and he'd take Dooku and Yoda too.

I don't know how good Krayt rely is (i red some of his comics, not all of them), but he certainly couldn't take Yoda, probably even Dooku, maybe Anakin, but only trough the Force, certainly not in a saber fight.

Sure all the stuff you mention sounds impressive, but you have to put in in context. The people Krayt fought, aren't nowhere near as powerful, as people like Anakin faced. He couldn't do these feats on people like Dooku, Yoda... top tier of PT.
And i would put Anakins trashing of Dooku above everything Krayt has done.

Not sure if this is Neb or not. But...

Krayt may have displayed control over his lightning, but that does not mean his lightning was more powerful than Dooku's. Dooku's lightning was powerful enough to cause a huge explosion in the ceiling. Dooku also shows control over his lightning when he knocks Ventress unconscience without killing her. I also recall a comic where Dooku unleashes storms of lightning from his hands.

Just because Krayt's armor has a high resistance to lightsabers does not mean he is going to land a blow.

Again: Dooku has quotes and feats in his favor. Krayt defeated maybe four average trained jedi at once.

Bullshit. On all fronts. You can't say just cause Anakin doesn't have a history with someone that he can't focus his emotions like he does every other time we see him. And just cause we haven't seen him block lightning in a movie doesn't mean that he can't do it, and it would be ludicrous to assume he couldn't.

Anakin is above all his peers and most of his superiors. Mace commented before that Anakin is too powerful for his own good, and that was around AOTC before he realized his powers fully.

He faltered once against OB1 because of everything he had done and because he just almost killed the woman he joined the darkside for, and was fighting his brother/father figure. That was the exception, not the rule. Given his natural calling as the chosen one, I'd say that Dooku scenario was his "rule." Unless of course you can find something that outright states he was in rare form against Dooku.

It is definitely Neb:
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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Krayt may have displayed control over his lightning, but that does not mean his lightning was more powerful than Dooku's.

No, it just means Krayt has more skill at using it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Dooku also shows control over his lightning when he knocks Ventress unconscience without killing her.

Big deal. Any Sith can do that. They just have to keep the lightning below six miliamps.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Again: Dooku has quotes and feats in his favor. Krayt defeated maybe four average trained jedi at once.

Correction; Krayt defeated four ELITE trained Jedi at once.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
No, it just means Krayt has more skill at using it. Dooku has also shown skill with it, and definetly far more power with it. Dooku has also shown to lift opponents off the ground with it.



Grievous defeated like four jedi MASTERS at once, who have more to there name than some elite guards. This is the same Grievous that Dooku casually defeats in there spars. In obsession (I believe) Dooku went toe to toe with Windu for a while.

Proof? You're an expert at using sith lightning now?

Originally posted by chilled monkey



Big deal. Any Sith can do that. They just have to keep the lightning below six miliamps.




PoD states that you have to be taught Force lightning; it isn't an innate trait of being a sith.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
PoD states that you have to be taught Force lightning; it isn't an innate trait of being a sith.

The point is that once they've learned how to do it, any Sith can adjust the voltage and amperage of the lightning depending on whether they want to kill the target or just KO them. Dooku using it on Ventress and not killing her is no big feat of control. Any Sith that can use lightning could do it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Proof?

Use a little common sense. We know that Jedi/Sith can vary the amount of power they use. For example, they'll use more power lifting a boulder than a pebble. Why should lightning be any different.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You're an expert at using sith lightning now?

Six miliamps or more across the heart will cause the heart to stop. Below six miliamps will not. This is scientific fact.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
The point is that once they've learned how to do it, any Sith can adjust the voltage and amperage of the lightning depending on whether they want to kill the target or just KO them. Dooku using it on Ventress and not killing her is no big feat of control. Any Sith that can use lightning could do it. The first time Bane used lightning, he literally released powerful storms that filled an entire room. This was maybe an uncontrolable display of sith lightning, since it was his first time using it. I'm sure it takes experience and control to adjust the intensity.




Sith lightning is not the same as TK, so do not compare them. Unless you are saying Bane was a master of it the first time he used it, since that was probably one of the greatest displays of lightning in the entire mythos.

Even if I am wrong, you still have yet to prove Krayts lightning is powerful enough to get passed Anakin's saber defense. I don't care if Krayt made heart shape designs with it. If it's not powerful enough to break Anakin's defense then it would be useless.

Again: Krayt's lightning has not shown the destructive kind of power as Dooku's.



Yeah, Dooku has buttons on the back of his hands to adjust the voltage. It takes control and mastery to CONTROL the power of your lightning, especially knowing how much power to use to knock a foe unconscience without killing them.