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Showdown between two immensely powerful Sith. Anything goes.

Ragnos, easily.


The Tales of the Jedi comic, I believe, said that Marka Ragnos was "the most powerful of the most powerful," which suggests he was probably the most powerful Sith Lord in history (notice that there is no qualifier on that statement), and it's obviously not referring to political or military acumen.
Luke Skywalker said during the Disciples of Ragnos crisis that the Jedi Academy " need all of its strength to stop ." This is considerable since this line is coming from the man who single-handedly toppled Palpatine.
Ragnos, even in spirit form, was able to cause superficial damage to both Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma's flesh (he branded them, I think) and his essence pretty much annihilated Tavion from the inside out.
Despite slumbering for millennia, he nearly killed Jaden Korr, who was said to be one of Luke's most promising disciples (suggesting he's Kyp Durron material) and who slaughtered probably hundreds of dark Jedi and Imperial personnel


Conclusion? Total curbstomp.

Originally posted by Gideon
Ragnos, easily.


The Tales of the Jedi comic, I believe, said that Marka Ragnos was "the most powerful of the most powerful," which suggests he was probably the most powerful Sith Lord in history (notice that there is no qualifier on that statement), and it's obviously not referring to political or military acumen.
Luke Skywalker said during the Disciples of Ragnos crisis that the Jedi Academy " need all of its strength to stop ." This is considerable since this line is coming from the man who single-handedly toppled Palpatine.
Ragnos, even in spirit form, was able to cause superficial damage to both Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma's flesh (he branded them, I think) and his essence pretty much annihilated Tavion from the inside out.
Despite slumbering for millennia, he nearly killed Jaden Korr, who was said to be one of Luke's most promising disciples (suggesting he's Kyp Durron material) and who slaughtered probably hundreds of dark Jedi and Imperial personnel


Conclusion? Total curbstomp.

Did you, who wrote a multi page Sidious essay and spent many years trying to get Sidious to the top, just say that Ragnos is stronger?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Did you, who wrote a multi page Sidious essay and spent many years trying to get Sidious to the top, just say that Ragnos is stronger? No. He didn't.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Did you, who wrote a multi page Sidious essay and spent many years trying to get Sidious to the top, just say that Ragnos is stronger? A>b>C therefor A>C doesn't work.

One Free Man
A>b>C therefor A>C doesn't work.

No, but here's your general rule:

Marka Ragnos > Luke Skywalker > the Empire > Dooku > Sidious.

looks like some ****in brilliant logic to me!

OFM
looks like some ****in brilliant logic to me!

It took me a while, but I'm catching on.

Yeah, I KNOW!!! you used to be like, such a troll, but now you are learning logic and aren't half bad!

Originally posted by mattatom
No. He didn't.

Originally posted by Gideon
Ragnos, easily.


The Tales of the Jedi comic, I believe, said that Marka Ragnos was "the most powerful of the most powerful," which suggests he was probably the most powerful Sith Lord in history (notice that there is no qualifier on that statement), and it's obviously not referring to political or military acumen.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowshomoeroticism
the thing with that is that Ragnos is in a totally different separate time-line. The most powerful of the most powerful doesn't mean in the 4 dimensional universe, but rather at his point in time. so STFU.

Uh, no.

Ragnos is clearly the most powerful of the most powerful ever. There isn't a qualifier on the statement.

well pardon my panties.... D:

OFM
well pardon my panties.... D:

I'm not going to condemn you, man; I once denied the power of Ragnos, too.

But I was an idiot who tried to interpret things through canon. Whatevz?

But then, if we no longer are bound by the natural laws of canon, that means I can dispute that Bandon is superior to Ragnos despite any text, comic, game, or film's offer of knowledge!

Bandon winz cause he totally force pushed some guy into a computer and destroyed the computer with an explosion because the guy was just walking past. I mean... epic.

Now you're just being stupid.

Sorry, sensei. I will return to your ways.

Ty luv u

luv u moer <3

Originally posted by Borbarad


What's the problem, dear Nai?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
What's the problem, dear Nai?

Oh. I don't have a problem. Do you?

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh. I don't have a problem. Do you?

No, I was just wondering why you were rolling your eyes.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No, I was just wondering why you were rolling your eyes.

I was just admiring Gideon's sarcasm. I'm always delighted with people attempting to poke fun at things they don't understand. On the other handside the possibility to read some more ingenious comments from Hewhoknowsall keeps me on the edge of my seat.

Gosh. I need to take some Valium right now. I can't stand that much excitement.

Originally posted by Borbarad
I was just admiring Gideon's sarcasm. I'm always delighted with people attempting to poke fun at things they don't understand. On the other handside the possibility to read some more ingenious comments from Hewhoknowsall keeps me on the edge of my seat.

Gosh. I need to take some Valium right now. I can't stand that much excitement.

Would you mind expanding on what you're talking about?

Why are people just blindly assuming that I'm being sarcastic?

There is a wealth, no, an overabundance of information and evidence that strongly indicates Ragnos's superiority over... everything.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Would you mind expanding on what you're talking about?

No.

Originally posted by Borbarad
On the other handside the possibility to read some more ingenious comments from Hewhoknowsall keeps me on the edge of my seat.


This is coming from you, the same person that in our PMs said that quotes don't matter only to use them as your main argument that Ragnos > (???) DE Sidious, that speculation doesn't matter and then to speculate as to how much knowledge and power Ragnos had, and that feats don't matter only to use Ragno's "feat" of defeating Simus as evidence that he could somehow beat Sidious?

Oh, and to say that it doesn't matter HOW Sadow beat those beast riders only that he did, and then you dismiss the Sidious destroying a fleet feat by talking about how he did it and saying that he can't control the Force storm?

Well Bandon has stated and shown feats.

Marka is a complete unknown, therefore we must side with the dumbass.

Bandon wins.

This is not so; the reasoning hinges on the idea that Marka Ragnos has numerous (?) accolades.

I don't know anything about him so I generally stay away from such discussions. I know there is something about "most powerful of the powerful" or some such.

Defeated Simus, ruled a century unchallenged, was known as the "most powerful of the most powerful" or some such, and his ghost spooked Sadow and Kressh.

Bandon... was killed by Revan.


Ergo Bandon wins.

And thus we agree that, taken to its logical extreme, simply discounting people because of no direct feats is rather stupid.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
And thus we agree that, taken to its logical extreme, simply discounting people because of no direct feats is rather stupid. It's no fair to discount them, but that doesn't mean they can suddenly be measured. Nothing these Unknowns have done is quantifiable. Though I think it's a safe bet that Ragnos, due to his longevity, both in life and death, and his position as undisputed ruler of the ultimate organization of betrayers and usurpers, would be victorious against Bandon, an otherwise (and comparably) insignificant player in the grand scheme of Force-users.

Bandon is beyond incomparable. Worst Sith ever. Since he has that official title, it is fair to put all other sith in front of him.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's no fair to discount them, but that doesn't mean they can suddenly be measured. Nothing these Unknowns have done is quantifiable. Though I think it's a safe bet that Ragnos, due to his longevity, both in life and death, and his position as undisputed ruler of the ultimate organization of betrayers and usurpers, would be victorious against Bandon, an otherwise (and comparably) insignificant player in the grand scheme of Force-users. Exactly.

Of course, this goes along with considering everything Kreia said a lie too. Habitual liar she may be, but that was only to lead and trick the exile. Her knowledge is likely to be on the rather extremely encompassing side and she had a vested interest in the Exiles education.

IE We can't know what Tulak Hord was like for example, but it's likely that the lightsaber he was referred to have mastered is more akin to a force energize blade that could deflect baster bolts and whatnot, pre-classic lightsaber, so to speak. What we can infer is that he was a master swordsman at the very least. He might not be a match for ROTS Obi Wan, but he likely could have stood against Maul or dooku and done farely well, regardless of whether he would have survived.

It's also likely that while Palpatine was the most powerful sith of Bane's order and that the Prequel Jedi were the Prime of the post-Ruusan Jedi, you can't honestly tell me with a straightface(**** Lucas on this, Ashoka and the stupidity that is the Clone Wars CGI toon proves he has lost his damn mind. Greivous and the rest of ROTS shoul dahve been handled by Tartovsky, but nervermind...) that Palpatine is the most uber all-knowing Sith lord Evah and that the Jedi of Obi-wan era wouldn't have ended up with their asses royally handed to them by Old Sith Wars Era Jedi or even the army of Light. Sure, Yoda had a ****ton of potential and was described as the most daunting foe against the darkness, but who was doing the describing here? When was the last time that Yoda's order had to not only defend itself but it's core beliefs as well? You can see it's massive failing in the movies, while honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Vrook had picked up on Palpatine a shit-ton sooner(And gotten killed if he jumped the gun) . Not only this, but the Jedi seem to actively encourage holding back. While this might makes senseint the context of not wanting to blare your prescence to half the force sensitive galaxy, its pointless when the enemy already knows where your at.

As far as Palaptine goes, I am willing to accept him being the Greatest of All Time simply for the fact he managed what only the Malachor Triumvirate came close to doing, exterminating and incapacitating the Jedi order. However, any claims about him being all-knowing or knwoing all the techniques are just bad writing and incredulously stupid, if not outright utterly impossible. I wouldn't underestimate his power, but come-n, All knowing? It's just stupid.


and thus ends my rant.

who ever said he was all-knowing?

Tulak Hord would have used an actual lightsaber. Karness Muur used one. Wookiee even says that the ancient Sith Empire was responsible for bringing the lightsaber technology to the Republic.

And Palpatine, especially circa DE, takes the credit as the most powerful, and the most knowledgeable Sith Lord. He may not be able to send a star supernova ala Sadow, but the guy had a galaxy under his rule for 23 years. The guy's a fountain of info. And power.

Originally posted by truejedi
who ever said he was all-knowing? Certain smartasses like insinuating that he knew and knows every technique ever freaking ever.

It's just stupid and pointless. Especially when some Sith Libraries were said to get so huge that you could never find what you were looking for and had a large chance of starving to death trying to find your way out.

Plus, even if he did know some LS techniques, apparently the little technique he uses to transport his soul makes him cutoff from all but the darkside.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Tulak Hord would have used an actual lightsaber. Karness Muur used one. Wookiee even says that the ancient Sith Empire was responsible for bringing the lightsaber technology to the Republic.

And Palpatine, especially circa DE, takes the credit as the most powerful, and the most knowledgeable Sith Lord. He may not be able to send a star supernova ala Sadow, but the guy had a galaxy under his rule for 23 years. The guy's a fountain of info. And power.

Oh I'm not foolish enough to deny that Palpatine is a veritable walking library, and used(The shit that was more or less safe, he ain't another Nihilus or Sion now is he?) quite a bit of what had practical application. However, it is ironicaly that one area, practical application,that the Ancient Sith have everyone beat. The Nova thing was a tech thing, but it does reveal that while they may not have been uberrificly powerful, they were intimately familiar with the force and the darkside enough to create large scale and small scale technology and beast with it. They were very crafty with the Magitech manufacturing.

Now most knowledgable maybe, but it inevitable that a bunch of shit has been lost, to the point the the Old Orders could have quite easily had several orders of magnitude more info to draw upon.

Most Powerful? Militarily and Politically, its a no contest. Pure un assisted personal strength? Not necessarily a no contest but I wouldn't doubt old Palp's for a second.

But that's the Catch. Unassisted. We barely know what other crazy ass shit the Ancient Sith had. It could very well be that Raknos was pwing rebeliions and vaporizing traitors with some nifty invention involving some alchemy and daily infusion of power without ever having to leave Korriban or Ziost. Or not. Who the **** knows what those crazy bastards had.

And, um, no, the Jedi and Fallen Jedi of the 2nd Great Schism were still using swords and as tulak is confirmed(Somewhere)to have lived during the Hundred Years of Darkness, that would mean he wielded something noticably different than what we saw in the films. No, the Republic and the Jedi brought the lightsaber to them. Someone needs to clean that article up.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow


IE We can't know what Tulak Hord was like for example, but it's likely that the lightsaber he was referred to have mastered is more akin to a force energize blade that could deflect baster bolts and whatnot, pre-classic lightsaber, so to speak. What we can infer is that he was a master swordsman at the very least. He might not be a match for ROTS Obi Wan, but he likely could have stood against Maul or dooku and done farely well, regardless of whether he would have survived.



Proof of that? Any? At all? Or Pure Speculation?




Of all time, actually, is how the quote goes.




Actually the term , Golden Age of the Jedi comes with no such Post-Russan Qualification.




Yes, Yes we can, because it simply IS. You are operating with pure speculation on the relative level of power of your precious Old sith and the army of light, however:

We happen to know Yoda was the most powerful Jedi of all time, and Mace was right on his heels, and that Sidious was the most powerful Sith of all time.

The chosen one was alive, and bested by Kenobi, who was beaten by Dooku. All these branch off of irrevocable "most powerful of all time" statements about the leaders: Accolades no one from the ancient Sith or Jedi HAVE. Even if they had the accolades of being the most powerful of all time(which they don't) at that time, that is thousands of years before it is said about Sidious and Yoda, making it MORE relevant for the latter than the former.



Mathew Stover. You know, infallible canon-writing star wars author. (incidently a man whose opinion is MUCH more relevant than yours.





So once again, your opinion is > than Stover?



What does this have to do with their power levels? Yoda acknowledged the failure of the Jedi Order, but the combatants themselves, as an era (at least the top tier) were peerless.




. Right here, in the nicely bolded portion. Whether you like it or not, it doesn't change canon. Call it bad writing, call it stupid, there are plenty of different things in star wars that we all feel are that way, but they are different things. For every person like you who say that its obvious the ancient sith were stronger, there is an equally fervent person who disagrees. All we can do to decide is use, not our own opinions, but the text, which clearly indicates, EVERYWHERE, that your whole rant is pointless and wrong.


Are you simply DISCOUNTING the sources that refer to Sidious as the most powerful Sith? Or the Source calling Yoda "the most powerful foe the darkness had ever known?" You cite them, and then add a "Yeah, but..." There is no: "Yeah But." They are simply canon. You not liking them doesn't change that.

If you are going to sit here and say that your opinion trumps canon, you are wasting your time.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow


Most Powerful? Militarily and Politically, its a no contest. Pure un assisted personal strength? Not necessarily a no contest but I wouldn't doubt old Palp's for a second.



This seems to contrast sharply with your other post, so if you didn't mean to say the bit about Yoda and Sidious perhaps NOT being the most powerful of their respective orders as of ROTS, then therein lies the confusion.

I don't doubt their power, I doubt there uncontestability. For example, it is canon fact that Palpatine once went to Korriban and "DEMANDED" that the Sith Lords teach him a secret of immortality, they smacked him down and would have likely destroyed him utterly had his body guard driven them off long enough to get the **** out of there. Big dude, beserker even, even held palps soul for a while. Well anyways, Palpatine spent some time recovering from this ordeal and never against made such impudent demands from the Dark Lords.


And no, it doesn't contrast. At all. You just don't understand things that aren't pure cocksucking to some of the stupidest parts of Canon.


The part I was referring to about Sidious being the most powerful in his order was on memory that the comment was made by an in-verse narrator. oops. Still doesn't change the fact that it is litterally impossible to hold all the Collective knowledge of the Sith, and it is definitely impossible for him to have the same of the Jedi.

And on this part, you can kiss my ass. I don't care what some fapping-mad fanboy who had a hardon crush for Sidious like Traviss had for the Mandos, but it simply isn't possible for him to have all the knowledge.

Again, I'm not doubting the dudes and goddamn walking library with a lot of knowledge. He is incredibly brilliant and well-educated, quite likely the most thoroughly(Given available resources) educated of all the post Sith Empire Dark Lords.

And again, with his own pure power, Palpatine is no doubt a ****ing Beast. However, this doesn't change the fact that, like Yoda, it is likely he would have benefited from being born during the Old Sith Wars.

Now as far as Yoda is concerned and the Golden Age of the Jedi, that shit is just ridiculous. Unless, you want to claim all Jedi before them were mouthdrooling, illiterate, severely Autistic mentally handicapped "Special" kids with minor powers at best. Quite frankly, the PT-Era Jedi were as rotten as the Republic and it was mostly due to the Ruusan Reformation. Yoda is the ultimate example of soemone who could have been so much more. He should have been a Nigh-Living God that was unfoolable and could at the very least, detect a Sith Lords thoughts WHILE RIGHT BE ****ING SIDE THEM!!!

Qui-Gon had apoint about focusing on the here and now but since the Jedi were too corrupt and stuck in there ways....

They got ****ed. Period. Lucas can crap on and on about how Yoda's Jedi were the best but Goddamn they pulled some retarded shit. For example, Anakin wasn't exactly very subtle or very good about being secret about his relationship with Padme, but did Yoda pick up on it? Nope. Nobody did until it was far too ****ing late. Palpatine's shit has the excuse of being a Super-Sith but Anakin?

That boy didn't know subtlety when the word was spelt out for him.

But even worse, his method of "helping" anakin? It was basically the equivalent of " STOP BEING A PU/SSY AND MAN-UP ALREADY"

Thanks Yoda, you're so awesomely powerful yet incredibly retarded.

Any guesses on likely punishment? Exile from the order for one, two Kenobi might go with him if he is decent enough. But really, he never had a problem with the council's way of doing things and was too much of a tool to challenge them.

Golden Age?

More Like Gilded Age. For the Republic and the Jedi. that's the cold hard truth. Unless of course, that paticular Galaxy was full of dribbling retards pre-PT trilogy.

Also, I have Jar Jar porn.

hahaha


and stuff

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
I don't doubt their power, I doubt there uncontestability. For example, it is canon fact that Palpatine once went to Korriban and "DEMANDED" that the Sith Lords teach him a secret of immortality, they smacked him down and would have likely destroyed him utterly had his body guard driven them off long enough to get the **** out of there. Big dude, beserker even, even held palps soul for a while. Well anyways, Palpatine spent some time recovering from this ordeal and never against made such impudent demands from the Dark Lords.Do you have proof for the "likely destroyed him utterly" line?


Originally posted by Letum Lettow
And no, it doesn't contrast. At all. You just don't understand things that aren't pure cocksucking to some of the stupidest parts of Canon.Regardless, canon is canon. We can question it and dislike it all we want (3 million clones can go f*ck Karen Traviss), but we don't disregard it because we don't like it.


Originally posted by Letum Lettow
The part I was referring to about Sidious being the most powerful in his order was on memory that the comment was made by an in-verse narrator. oops. Still doesn't change the fact that it is litterally impossible to hold all the Collective knowledge of the Sith, and it is definitely impossible for him to have the same of the Jedi.

And on this part, you can kiss my ass. I don't care what some fapping-mad fanboy who had a hardon crush for Sidious like Traviss had for the Mandos, but it simply isn't possible for him to have all the knowledge. The narrator has license from LucasArts to effectively speak on their behalf. New material must fall under their definition of canon within Star Wars. The omniscient narrator can dictate what they will so long as they obey the company's rules. Stover identified Yoda as the "most dangerous foe the Darkness had ever faced", and so he is (up until that period within the mythos). Sidious defeated Yoda. Handily. "(B)efore he (Yoda) had been born." Sidious takes the top spot for the most powerful Sith Lord to wield the Force. 30 odd years later, he was even more powerful circa DE. To disregard that because an author wrote it gives us license to disregard EVERYTHING an author other than Lucas writes. Star Wars canon does not function like that.


Originally posted by Letum Lettow
Again, I'm not doubting the dudes and goddamn walking library with a lot of knowledge. He is incredibly brilliant and well-educated, quite likely the most thoroughly(Given available resources) educated of all the post Sith Empire Dark Lords.True.


Originally posted by Letum Lettow
And again, with his own pure power, Palpatine is no doubt a ****ing Beast. However, this doesn't change the fact that, like Yoda, it is likely he would have benefited from being born during the Old Sith Wars.Also true.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
Now as far as Yoda is concerned and the Golden Age of the Jedi, that shit is just ridiculous. Unless, you want to claim all Jedi before them were mouthdrooling, illiterate, severely Autistic mentally handicapped "Special" kids with minor powers at best. Quite frankly, the PT-Era Jedi were as rotten as the Republic and it was mostly due to the Ruusan Reformation. Yoda is the ultimate example of soemone who could have been so much more. He should have been a Nigh-Living God that was unfoolable and could at the very least, detect a Sith Lords thoughts WHILE RIGHT BE ****ING SIDE THEM!!!Feel free to feel how you want, but if you plan on sticking around this forum, you're going to have to start obeying its rules. We obey canon. Lucas himself credits his PT Jedi as the Order's Golden Age. Don't like it? Suck it up.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
Qui-Gon had apoint about focusing on the here and now but since the Jedi were too corrupt and stuck in there ways....Here you can feel free again to interpret "Golden Age". Was it the Golden Age of dogmatic transparency, liberalism, and flexibility? No. Was it the Golden Age of the Jedi Order most powerful members and skilled duelists? Yes.


Originally posted by Letum Lettow
They got ****ed. Period. Lucas can crap on and on about how Yoda's Jedi were the best but Goddamn they pulled some retarded shit.Again, obey this forum's rules on canon, or GTFO.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
For example, Anakin wasn't exactly very subtle or very good about being secret about his relationship with Padme, but did Yoda pick up on it? Nope. Nobody did until it was far too ****ing late. Palpatine's shit has the excuse of being a Super-Sith but Anakin?

That boy didn't know subtlety when the word was spelt out for him.

But even worse, his method of "helping" anakin? It was basically the equivalent of " STOP BEING A PU/SSY AND MAN-UP ALREADY"

Thanks Yoda, you're so awesomely powerful yet incredibly retarded.

Any guesses on likely punishment? Exile from the order for one, two Kenobi might go with him if he is decent enough. But really, he never had a problem with the council's way of doing things and was too much of a tool to challenge them.

Golden Age?

More Like Gilded Age. For the Republic and the Jedi. that's the cold hard truth. Unless of course, that paticular Galaxy was full of dribbling retards pre-PT trilogy.You're just ranting now about the film's flaws that we all here know about.

Originally posted by Letum Lettow
Also, I have Jar Jar porn. Who doesn't?

EDIT: You probably haven't read Gideon's essay. There's the link for it, you can PM him for any sources.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien





Again, obey this forum's rules on canon, or GTFO.

I think he is Nebaris.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I think he is Nebaris.

Anywho....you kind of missed the point entirely. Yes, it had the order's most powerful members, doesn't change the fact that they rarely used such power beyond moving their blades really fast.

It doesn't change the fact that Yoda could have likely benefited from the excess and wealth of knowledge of the Old Jedi. It doesn't change the fact that, in areas of competency and general awareness, they had issues and were too focused on mysticism and the religious part of it and partially forgot their duties to the point of letting massive corruption and evil throughout the galaxy continue.

Yes, Yoda's powerful, but what I am saying is that he could have been much more.

What I was saying about Sidious and the Old Dark Lords is that some of the Dark Lord may have been able to stand up to him, not beat, but stand up to him in battle none the less, with the aid of Sith Artifacts. Maybe.

As for the incident of the Dark Lords of Korriban laying the Smack down on him, it is a reference from The Emperor's Pawn's and apparently they just cowed him, they didn't threaten to destroy him.

But then again, the Dark Lords had access to Korriban itself and a larger chunk of power so it isn't that surprising they could cow him if need be.

Ahh...
Now I remember why I left. It's because the Palpatine fanboys were taking it too far and siggesting he could stomp on the collective might of Kun, Revan, Sadow, and Nadd all at once iwthout so much as a scratch. I don't remember if it was a thread or not but I still agree with Palpatine beating the any of the two in combat while three of them might be a bit more even. All four of them or

In other words, I don't deny that both Palpatine and Yoda are extremely powerful, I just believe they could have used said power in much more...interesting ways and both would have benefited from and increased knowledge pool to drawn from. Yoda would have benfitted in awareness and Palpatine may have found a way to slow the decay and burn-out of his body from the Stupendous amount of Dark Power it was channeling. Hell, he likely could have gotten it anyways if he had asked nicely. Advanced Sith Alchemy would likely have been damn useful in that respect. Not that he didn't have it, it just seems he didn't make any useful tools like say Muur or some of the other darklords.

This is preposterous. Only Bandon could do that. And maybe Plo Koon, if he had the help of Johun Othone. (Without that help he simply annihilates them; Johun's negative contribution brings the win down to "stomp" level.)

Edit: Neb, I like this post. It hits on just how badly Lucas has eff'd up continuity.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This is preposterous. Only Bandon could do that. And maybe Plo Koon, if he had the help of Johun Othone. (Without that help he simply annihilates them; Johun's negative contribution brings the win down to "stomp" level.)

Edit: Neb, I like this post. It hits on just how badly Lucas has eff'd up continuity.

Ok...um seriously, I might have missed a few trolls as I've been gone a while.

who is this Neb? Another form of...what's his face, that young kid that kept coming back, over and over?

Originally posted by Letum Lettow




Ahh...
Now I remember why I left. It's because the Palpatine fanboys were taking it too far and siggesting he could stomp on the collective might of Kun, Revan, Sadow, and Nadd all at once iwthout so much as a scratch. I don't remember if it was a thread or not but I still agree with Palpatine beating the any of the two in combat while three of them might be a bit more even. All four of them or



Sidious, or even Luke is not going to be able to handle more than one ancient Sith at a time,or more than one top-tier combatant of any era really. They win, but they are worthy combatants.

Except for Revan, whom we know absolutely NOTHING about. Difficult to prove that he could keep up in a duel with anyone, from assaji to Darth Vader.


Finally: The insult "fanboy" got cycled out years and years ago. We don't use it anymore, and you date yourself with it. Please adjust accordingly.

Yeah have you noticed that? That word's been quite forgotten.

REXXX made it against the rules actually.

Oh. Well, at first it was justified because some fanboys, Revan Wankers especially, started to get ridiculous.

Let me guess, the Ante's went a little too far with it and started blasting everything and everyone by calling them fanboys and Rex had enough of it?

Also, I am going to guess that the mods still enjoy certain immunities.

I am from olden times. But those times were lively and interesting.

Originally posted by truejedi
Sidious, or even Luke is not going to be able to handle more than one ancient Sith at a time,or more than one top-tier combatant of any era really. They win, but they are worthy combatants.


Um, no.

Luke would stomp Malak + Bandon (not the KMC fanboys Bandon).

Bandon was not an ancient Sith like we were talking about.... If you notice, I quoted his examples...

Ragnos takes this. Easy. We don't know jack about him, really, but from what we DO know he's gotta be more powerful than a mere disposable apprentace.

um, Bandon >>>> Ragnos

Has Ragnos even proved that he can Force push a technician into a console? No? Then what's to stop Bandon from doing that?

WTFstomp.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
um, Bandon >>>> Ragnos

Has Ragnos even proved that he can Force push a technician into a console? No? Then what's to stop Bandon from doing that?

WTFstomp. sure...

Well, since this is bumped....

Ragnos stomps. Bandon wasn't even a full Sith Lord, but a Shadow Hand (their term for apprentice.)

Also, what Gideon said.
Originally posted by truejedi
Mathew Stover. You know, infallible canon-writing star wars author. (incidently a man whose opinion is MUCH more relevant than yours
Infallible? Stover's made plenty of mistakes. Like for instance writing that Force Lightning doesn't work on the Vong, when before that incident happened Jaina's Force Lightning worked perfectly fine on a Vong Warrior (blowing a hole through his crab armor even) and after Stover's book Electric Judgment worked, too.

"um, Bandon >>>> Ragnos"

Ok, NOW you're just being a contrarian.

"Has Ragnos even proved that he can Force push a technician into a console?"

Well, he beat the living crap out of Simus in a fair fight and by all accounts weathered several challenges to his rule from his fellow Sith (this in an era where Sith Magic and the like were still very common, mind ye).

"No? Then what's to stop Bandon from doing that?"

Oh, I don't doubt Bandon can PROBABLY do that if he gets lucky. The question is if it will DO anything.

Remember, this is a guy who nearly brought down the New Republic a few millenia after he DIED. we have seen absolutely nothing from Bandon to believe he is anywhere near that caliber.

Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
"um, Bandon >>>> Ragnos"

Ok, NOW you're just being a contrarian.
i dont even know what that means y dont u stop tryin to b so smart and just say something? r u tryin to look like ur better than me?


so was this before, or after, the time period's best non-assisted showing: throwing a brick?

you'r knew here so i guess its ok that u dont now.

the most powerful lord of the sith in history was Darth Bandon. His apprentice, who hid for millenia within the Jedi order themselves was Plo Koon.

Submit or be frozen within a creek.

Yep, no question about it. You are DEFINITIVELY just being a contrarian now.

"so was this before, or after, the time period's best non-assisted showing: throwing a brick?"

Most likely before.

"the most powerful lord of the sith in history was Darth Bandon."

....as shown by his loosing in a 3v3 fight against Revan, ja? And if he was the most powerful Sith Lord in history, why was it Sidious and not he who conquered the Galaxy?

"His apprentice, who hid for millenia within the Jedi order themselves was Plo Koon."

Contradicted by virtually every material dealing with Plo Koon.

"Submit or be frozen within a creek."

Just. TRY.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
EDIT: You probably haven't read Gideon's essay. There's the link for it, you can PM him for any sources.
He thanked me in the intro for 'scholarly example.' I'm touched. I must have left the forum before he wrote that, 'cause this is the first time I've seen the essay.

Originally posted by Tortoise Herder
Ok, NOW you're just being a contrarian. I've always liked that word; contrarian. I so rarely have the opportunity to use it in a sentence.

I will pay you to teach SWFan and DS how to do this.

And you have the second coolest username I've ever seen.

wtf

Use your head here: a group of ancient Sith managed to cow Palpatine as per the Emperor's Pawns. The amount of those Sith or the details of the conflict were never given. Furthermore, if Palpatine's bodyguard (Jeng Droga) was able to drive them off, that's very telling on what Palpatine himself may have been able to do, since Droga is nowhere near Palpatine's level.

Your argument is silly; a group of clones were shown to be able to kill and defeat Jedi in Revenge of the Sith, but that doesn't mean that they are individually superior to the Jedi.

Originally posted by Eminence
I will pay you to teach SWFan and DS how to do this.

And you have the second coolest username I've ever seen.

The irony on this statement isn't lost on me.

Ragnos would uber-pwn Bandon in 5 seconds flat.

Hardly.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Hard.

Correct. Ragnos will pwn Bandon hard.

Hardly.

It took the heart of the force and two companions to beat Bandon, and he is secretly still alive. Bandon stomps this "sith lord" and shows him who is "the most powerful of the most powerful".

Contrarian sounds like an alien race.

"We tried that already, but you know what the Contrarians' idea of "diplomacy" is when they catch unwelcomed ships in their territory."