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I know dark yoda is unknown, but IS it known that he'd be more powerful? How would dark yoda do against DE Sidious?

Nope it's not known that he would be even more powerful than RotS Sidious, that was merely speculation on Dooku's part.

Speculation on Dooku's part is better than nothing. If i had to bet, my money would be on Darth Yoda.

Against DE Sidious! Nah.

Originally posted by ares834
Against DE Sidious! Nah.

Based on Dooku saying that a dark side Yoda would annihilate Sidious as of Dark Rendezvous, yes. Annihilate is a very strong term. Did Sidiuos improve dramatically enough by DE not to be defeated?

Going with Palpatine. 'Darth Yoda' may have been able to defeat RotS Palpatine, but there were literally decades of time beyond that point, of which Palpatine utilized to further increase his power (Palps did say that he was far more powerful in DE than he'd EVER been.) That said, I can't imagine Yoda still being able to bridge that significant of a power gap -- especially since we know nothing about him other than the few lines of speculation Dooku spoke.

srug

I'd say Palpatine, definitely. But that's only because I don't like Yoda.

YOUR COLLECTIVE YODA HATE DISTURBS ME!

Oh, tosh, you know you feel the same.

i love yoda. I just watched the ESB scene where he says "Mine!! Mine or I help you not!"

Love his little crazy furry head.

^

Well you don't have to be that weird about it....

I'm getting a Tom-Tom this week, and the very first thing I'm going to do is purchase the Yoda navigation voice.

Have you seen this? Not to be missed.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdcJVuylmsM

Originally posted by truejedi
i love yoda. I just watched the ESB scene where he says "Mine!! Mine or I help you not!"

Love his little crazy furry head. See that's the good Yoda.

The only good Yoda.

Gotta go with DE Sidious on this one, he stalemated Yoda in ROTS and imho that is the most powerful Yoda would ever be. If Yoda went to the dark side i think that he would lose a lot of his light side powers and that the dark side powers would not make up for that.

Plus if Dooku's opinion is worthy, so too is Sidious's who said himself he was even stronger than ever in DE.

Originally posted by truejedi
I'm getting a Tom-Tom this week, and the very first thing I'm going to do is purchase the Yoda navigation voice.


Tom-Tom Yoda style should totally go like this, it would be hilarious.

"Turn left, you will. Left!! Left or I help you not!"

Originally posted by Master_Galen
If Yoda went to the dark side i think that he would lose a lot of his light side powers and that the dark side powers would not make up for that.

Based on...? Dooku got more powerful after going to the dark side. It seems that happens to most people that choose to do so. Even the Jedi Master(Jai Murak?) who was killed by Ventress in I think Dark Rendezvous said he could have won if he used the dark side, but he chose not to.

Originally posted by truejedi
I'm getting a Tom-Tom this week, and the very first thing I'm going to do is purchase the Yoda navigation voice.

Have you seen this? Not to be missed.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdcJVuylmsM

I want that in my car. Badly.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Based on...? Dooku got more powerful after going to the dark side. It seems that happens to most people that choose to do so. Even the Jedi Master(Jai Murak?) who was killed by Ventress in I think Dark Rendezvous said he could have won if he used the dark side, but he chose not to.

This is based on the fact that Yoda was such a master of the light side that i personally do not believe he would have become stronger, i rewatched the Yoda vs Sidious fight scenes from ROTS and he totally held his own against Sidious, he even force pushed him across the room. Sidious was also such a master of the dark side that it would not matter, if Yoda used dark side powers then Sidious would just use a more powerful version in return.

Plus, it took Yoda centuries to master the light side, are you saying that he would not need a pretty long time to master the dark side as well.

The dark side is the 'quick and easy' path, not the stronger after all. It's useful for getting more powerful in a hurry, but even so the top ranks of the light and dark don't have much of a power difference.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
i personally do not believe he would have become stronger

Dooku's opinion has to carry more weight than yours does man.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Dooku's opinion has to carry more weight than yours does man.

Either way, both mine and Dooku's opinions are only that, opinion. Neither are actually fact.

It's absolute baseless speculation. Dooku felt that a dark side Yoda would "annihilate" Sidious. Sidious as of the Clone Wars. As in Sidious prior to draining/corrupting worlds and Froce Storms.

There's even no reason to go with Yoda here at all. Or Sidious. This thread shouldn't exist.

Honestly I never understood Dooku's claim. DS is not > than the LS, so why would Yoda suddenly be far more powerful? The DS is only quicker and easier, but Yoda, who has trained for hundreds of years, really shouldn't have much to grow. IMO it seems Dooku thought that since he got far more powerful Yoda would as well, but that was simply speculation.

"At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield..." - Dark Rendezvous

It wasn't speculation on Dooku's end, so much as it was a realization. A realization that if Yoda chose to embrace the dark side, it would enable him to unmask power so great that even Palpatine's would be as nothing. Having said that, there's no reason to think the aforementioned mental monologue was hyperbolic, and/or untrue, imo. Sean Stewart chose to include that tidbit in the novel for a reason.

Hum... I guess I can see it as Yoda no longer restraining himself. That does make sense.

Galan007
It wasn't speculation on Dooku's end, so much as it was a realization.

'Realization' by a fallible third party is still nothing more than an assumption in the grand scheme of things.



Those were not the words that were used, which is why it remains speculation.



The fact that Dooku's assessment is the only thing indicating as much?



This is irrelevant. One can assume that all authors of every book ever chose to include every line therein for a reason.

Originally posted by ares834
Hum... I guess I can see it as Yoda no longer restraining himself. That does make sense. That's what I think as well.

Originally posted by Gideon
'Realization' by a fallible third party is still nothing more than an assumption in the grand scheme of things.



Those were not the words that were used, which is why it remains speculation.



The fact that Dooku's assessment is the only thing indicating as much?



This is irrelevant. One can assume that all authors of every book ever chose to include every line therein for a reason.

Yet Dooku's a far more credible source than you or I when it comes to discerning what a Jedi could be if he turned. In fact, he experienced it first hand, which gives even more credibility to said statement. The fact remains, the his opinion is worth more your speculation on DS Yoda. The fact that Yoda would easy destroy Sids.. means that DE Sids still might be below yoda, equal to or possible slightly superior (which is the least likely of all three)

Dooku also believed, nay, knew that he would rule in a triumvirate of a new Sith Empire composed only of humans.

Oh wait, he was wrong about that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet Dooku's a far more credible source than you or I when it comes to discerning what a Jedi could be if he turned. In fact, he experienced it first hand, which gives even more credibility to said statement. The fact remains, the his opinion is worth more your speculation on DS Yoda. The fact that Yoda would easy destroy Sids.. means that DE Sids still might be below yoda, equal to or possible slightly superior (which is the least likely of all three) I agree with all of this except the last bit. Imo, DE Palps is > 'Darth Yoda'.

Especially since one of them didn't exist.

That too.

KT
Yet Dooku's a far more credible source than you or I when it comes to discerning what a Jedi could be if he turned. In fact, he experienced it first hand, which gives even more credibility to said statement. The fact remains, the his opinion is worth more your speculation on DS Yoda. The fact that Yoda would easy destroy Sids.. means that DE Sids still might be below yoda, equal to or possible slightly superior (which is the least likely of all three)

It's not a fact. It's his opinion. He has know way of knowing for certain.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree with all of this except the last bit. Imo, DE Palps is > 'Darth Yoda'.

Based on what my friend?

If we have Yoda totally destroying sids with ease if he turned to the DS.. that means he is WELL above Sids at that point. Not to mention the fact that it didn't say with years of DS practice... he implied it like it would be almost immediate if he transformed. Thus we can discern that he is leagues above DS... Thus DE Sids being more powerful would lead you to believe he surpassed that yoda that was far above Sids previously?

Yeah I doubt the jump of Palaptine from the Clone Wars to DE was enough to drop Yoda's fairing against him from "annihilate" to "defeat".

Lord Lucien
Yeah I doubt the jump of Palaptine from the Clone Wars to DE was enough to drop Yoda's fairing against him from "annihilate" to "defeat".

You mean his planet-ravaging abilities don't make a difference?

Palpatine himself stated that he was far more powerful by the time of DE, then he had ever been. And considering DE took place 6 years after the battle of Endor (which equates to decades of time to further his powers) it's safe to assume that he was correct in his self-assessment.

Having said that, we can logically say that DE Palpatine would, too, have "annihilated" his Clone Wars incarnation. Tack on the fact that we know nothing about 'Darth Yoda', and there's really not much of a debate to be had.

...Especially with Palpatine's pesky force storms being thrown into the mix.

I'm glad you agree with me.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm glad you agree with me. That post was directed at KT, but savor it anyway. sneer

. . . well this thread lasted a lot longer dan I thought it would.