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Been a while, bring it on.

Thanks for this. It was getting boring around here.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Been a while, bring it on.


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No, rly?

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
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No, rly?

My sarcasm detector doesn't work online, you gotta be more frank.

Originally posted by Classic NES
My sarcasm detector doesn't work online, you gotta be more frank.

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Ganondorf can literally schoolyard-bully them.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
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Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf can literally schoolyard-bully them.

I wanna know why you think that.

DAMNIT, I RETIRED.

And this is surely a troll thread.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
DAMNIT, I RETIRED.

And this is surely a troll thread.

I'm actually being fairly serious, don't mind the faces.

Because Ganondorf is strong and fast enough to physically overwhelm them and would be immune to their attacks?

He could pull their heads off with less effort than I do the lid of a cookie jar. And I am an expert at de-lidding cookie jars.

What's Ganon done to place him over shinnok? Maybe, Sub-Zero but Shinnok?

I admit to not knowing much about Mortal Kombat except what I just read on the wiki, which is not very informative powerwise. I know Sub-Zero has cryokinesis and Shinnok uses dark powers and mimicry.

What else can they really do?

Ganondorf, for example, can blow up a castle, freeze a city, or break an island to peices. Can they resist that?

Shinnok warring with Raiden for centuries covered the entire planet in darkness. This is before he gained dominion of hell, after his war with Lucifer the previous ruler of hell he could control the spirits who resided their with his magic.

Originally posted by The Scenario


Ganondorf, for example, can blow up a castle, freeze a city, or break an island to peices.

When did Ganon perform all these feats??

The first two I think happened in OOT, but I've never heard of the island feat before. o.0

Originally posted by Classic NES
Shinnok warring with Raiden for centuries covered the entire planet in darkness. This is before he gained dominion of hell, after his war with Lucifer the previous ruler of hell he could control the spirits who resided their with his magic.



When did Ganon perform all these feats?? In WW Ganondorf, with his power sealed, covered the world in darkness on whim.

In OoT AND TP froze all of Zora's domain, and in WW again, with his power sealed away, he destroyed an island. He's also levitated a castle, and tanked castle busting attacks in OoT and TP respectively.

All his Oot feats are due to the tri-force of power which he doesn't even have in
this match. Also, what castle busting attack and covering the world in darkness in WW when exactly?

Ganon without the ToP is still pretty damn boss. Pinning down the bulk of his power in WW with him still able to perform powerful spells speaks for this.

Originally posted by Classic NES
All his Oot feats are due to the tri-force of power which he doesn't even have in
this match. Also, what castle busting attack and covering the world in darkness in WW when exactly? You never mentioned that in the OP. I call shenanigans.

I never knew I had to mention that ganon has standard equipment as a default.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I never knew I had to mention that ganon has standard equipment as a default. ToP IS standard equipment.

Ganon's standard equipment IS the ToP.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ganon's standard equipment IS the ToP.

Ganon, since when? Maybe I'm confusing him with Ganondorf?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ganon's standard equipment IS the ToP. I sniped you. :3

But yeah, not allowing Ganon the ToP is like not allowing a Koopa Troopa it's shell. He's only VERY rarely appeared without it, infact, the first time he did was in OoT in the child timeline, there was legitimately over a decade of Zelda before he ever was without it for even a moment, and the only appearance since then in which he has not had it is FSA.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Ganon, since when? Maybe I'm confusing him with Ganondorf? Since always, this would be like not allowing Kratos his blades, Link a sword, ect.

Fair enough, I'll allow it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Since always, this would be like not allowing Kratos his blades, Link a sword, ect.

That's not really the same since adult links hero sword is his standard equipment because it's his trademark. Tri-force of power is more like a power up. The fact that Ganon has to steal the tri-force of power, kinda demotes it from being his standard equipment. It's more like mario's star, but whatever.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Fair enough, I'll allow it. Neato.

I still say Shinnok wins, destroying an island isn't a big deal. Even a sorcerer like Shang Tsung in his weakest form can destroy an island like he did during MK 1.

Originally posted by Classic NES
When did Ganon perform all these feats??

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Frozen Zora's Domain. 0:15 and 2:50 show it best.

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Another castle, 5:00 and then 9:45. Ganondorf using the last of his remaining power to do that one.

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9:20, Zora's Domain frozen again. Ganondorf just doesn't like the place.

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0:20, Greatfish Isle torn to peices after Ganon attacks it. According to the bird guy's god, the island was cursed. (After Link visits the island, that storm covers the entire sea and prevents the sun from rising, which is the curse.)

You know, I cannot take Shinnok seriously when I remember Johnny Cage beat him.

Zant, who wielded a fraction of Ganondorf's power in TP, was able to pull nearly the entire country of Hyrule into the Twilight Realm, another dimension.

Originally posted by Classic NES
That's not really the same since adult links hero sword is his standard equipment because it's his trademark. Tri-force of power is more like a power up. The fact that Ganon has to steal the tri-force of power, kinda demotes it from being his standard equipment. It's more like mario's star, but whatever.

No, not really. The Yriforce of Power is Ganondorf's trademark, and the one he is always associated with. As Scream said, he is very rarely seen without it, as it's the main source of his power. In OoT, he got it at the same time Link got his sword, and in most games he has it before Link is even born. It's not like Mario's star, either, since it isn't temporary.

And if you think about it, pretty much all of Link's equipment is just looted from dungeons anyway.

First half of OoT, the end of WW, and Four Swords.

IIRC those are the only times Ganon(dorf) has not had the Triforce of Power.

Originally posted by The Scenario
No, not really. The Yriforce of Power is Ganondorf's trademark, and the one he is always associated with.

As Scream said, he is very rarely seen without it, as it's the main source of his power. In OoT, he got it at the same time Link got his sword, and in most games he has it before Link is even born. It's not like Mario's star, either, since it isn't temporary.




Link is always associated with the tri-force of courage, that doesn't make it standard equipment.

That wasn't really my point, mario's stars and mushrooms are his trademarks. He's always associated with said items, but they aren't his standard equipment. Just power ups he gets along the way.

But, I'm willing to concede since, Ganon only becomes the major villain when he gains said Tri-force.


Originally posted by The Scenario

And if you think about it, pretty much all of Link's equipment is just looted from dungeons anyway.

If you're referring to items, I don't think there standard equipment either.

Sorry for the double post

Originally posted by NemeBro

Zant, who wielded a fraction of Ganondorf's power in TP, was able to pull nearly the entire country of Hyrule into the Twilight Realm, another dimension.

Shinnok warped Hell/nether realm in order to make it similar to earth. Transforming the demons into human forms and turning anyone he didn't like into a zombie.

Sounds a lot like the Twilight Realm, except that turns people into spirits and morphs creatures into twilight versions of themselves.

What are we defining "standard equipment" as, exactly?

I was under the impression that it's what a character always has on them. In which case both the Triforce of Power and the Triforce of Courage are standard for Ganondorf and Link, respectively. Just like Zelda always has the Triforce of Wisdom. Just like Link has a bow, boomerang, bombs, and other items in nearly every game he's appeared in.

Unlike Mario, for whom the power ups are temporary and interchangable, and even just wear off on their over time.

Originally posted by The Scenario
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I think it's defined as a trademark tool that a character always has and starts of with. But, since it isn't clear I just let it go.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Sounds a lot like the Twilight Realm, except that turns people into spirits and morphs creatures into twilight versions of themselves.

Also, the realm drains your power if you stay there.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I think it's defined as a trademark tool that a character always has and starts of with. But, since it isn't clear I just let it go.


The problem now being that Link never starts with equipment. He's lucky if he starts with a wooden sword, let alone the Master Sword. Most often he doesn't start with any weapons and has to go find a sword.

So I don't know what the heck Link has here.



Cool, Ganondorf has either the Twilight Realm or the Dark World, which transform whatever enters them.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The problem now being that Link never starts with equipment. He's lucky if he starts with a wooden sword, let alone the Master Sword. Most often he doesn't start with any weapons and has to go find a sword.


That's still his trademark item that distinguishes him as a hero. Once he gains the sword, he becomes the "hero" and his journey begins. Sort of like how Ganon becomes the villain when he gains the Tri-force of power.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Shinnok warped Hell/nether realm in order to make it similar to earth. Transforming the demons into human forms and turning anyone he didn't like into a zombie. That's cool.

It also does not apply to single combat outside of said realm.

Zant was able to pull a country into the Twilight Realm, and can do it on a whim, Ganondorf is much more powerful and the reason Zant has his powers, he can do the same, and moar.

Shinnok is also hopeless in close combat. Being considerably slower and weaker.

Also, there are three very short instances of Ganondorf not having the ToP, it's practically a part of his character.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's cool.

It also does not apply to single combat outside of said realm.

Zant was able to pull a country into the Twilight Realm, and can do it on a whim, Ganondorf is much more powerful and the reason Zant has his powers, he can do the same, and moar.

That's not really that impressive when you consider that In Mortal Kombat when a realm is conquered. It's merged with the ruling realm. Shinnok being a former elder God has knowledge on how to merge realms.


Originally posted by NemeBro

Shinnok is also hopeless in close combat. Being considerably slower and weaker.

Shinnok has his amulet in this fight, though.

Ganondorf can use the Twilight Realm, the Dark World, and the gap between dimensions for pretty much whatever he wants, with the latter being used primarily for BFR. I doubt that will really bother Shinnok too much, but I don't think Sub-Zero can do anything about it.

Ganondorf can also become invisible and intangible, and is a able to set things on fire from very far away. He can seal people in crystals and teleport them, as well as paralyze them for a short time. He's also shown mind control and possession.

What does Shinnok's amulet do, and can he take a castle and/or island breaking attack with it? Or any of the other stuff?