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They fight in the Dark Temple. DoE Bane with the orbalisks. Vitiate as of TOR.

Considering that Bane with orbalisks almost died against force lightning, Vitiate's force storm would eat him alive.

He almost died when his own lighting came against him. Nothing says that in normal circumstances he couldn't defend against it.

Does anyone have any saber abilities for Vitiate? Everything mentioned seems to mainly be about him dominating minds and such.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
He almost died when his own lighting came against him. Nothing says that in normal circumstances he couldn't defend against it.

Does anyone have any saber abilities for Vitiate? Everything mentioned seems to mainly be about him dominating minds and such.
Vitiate is noticeably more powerful then Bane. Their is lot more to him then dominating minds. This isn't much of a contest for him.

For obvious reasons, there is absolutely no chance Vitiate could win a saber fight.


The Force contest may be closer than most people believe: In RoT, it was straight out stated that Bane's Force strength was dramatically increased due to the Orbalisks.

Originally posted by Pwned
For obvious reasons, there is absolutely no chance Vitiate could win a saber fight.
I do not understand the purpose of this claim? It is obvious that Vitiate doesn't prefers Lightsaber as a medium for combat.

Originally posted by Pwned
The Force contest may be closer than most people believe: In RoT, it was straight out stated that Bane's Force strength was dramatically increased due to the Orbalisks.
Just go through the great summary about Vitiate provided by Nai here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573550&pagenumber=12

Bane's weakness has also been pointed out in this thread.

As good as Bane is (I also acknowledge him as among the greats of the Sith), he is no match for the Sith Emperor.

What kind of Feats does Bane have of resisting Mind ****ery?

If he can resist Vitiate's TP - then Bane will rip him to shreds.

Oh, I agree Vitiate wins. I am just saying its not the landslide people would claim. With the Orbalisks, Bane is absurdly powerful.

Originally posted by Pwned
Oh, I agree Vitiate wins. I am just saying its not the landslide people would claim. With the Orbalisks, Bane is absurdly powerful.

So there is no way Bane can resist Vitiate's Mind ****ery, then?

Eh, its possible. Vitiate has more tricks though.


I'm gonna have to give DoE another read through.

Bane does have some resistance to techniques he knows how to perform, whether he can or not. Straight mind domination is one of them. However, Vitiate is overwhelmingly powerful at times. If this, "Dark Temple" is where Vitiate is in TOR, then he wins in a landslide. (Never played TOR. Never will)

Originally posted by Rookwood
What kind of Feats does Bane have of resisting Mind ****ery?
He has never met a foe as powerful as Vitiate.

Originally posted by Rookwood
If he can resist Vitiate's TP - then Bane will rip him to shreds.
Childish and immature claim.

Even in other applications of the Force, Bane holds no candle to Vitiate.

The only manner in which Bane can gain victory in this duel is under heavily favor circumstances.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He has never met a foe as powerful as Vitiate.

Childish and immature claim.

Even in other applications of the Force, Bane holds no candle to Vitiate.

The only manner in which Bane can gain victory in this duel is under heavily favor circumstances.

You know, you're accidently cutting yourself down when you talk like this.

Don't give others ammunition to use against you.

Originally posted by Rookwood
You know, you're accidently cutting yourself down when you talk like this.

Don't give others ammunition to use against you.
What I post; I mean it.

The kind of claims made by you are of the nature which I have pointed out.

We aren't discussing Vitiate for the first time in this forum. In several other threads, this character is vastly explored by me and Nai and both have spent lot of time and effort in explaining the talents and abilities of this character. When such efforts are under-appreciated and overlooked by those who are not fans of the character; it becomes important to convey to such guys that they are exhibiting immature and childish tendencies.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What I post; I mean it.

The kind of claims made by you are of the nature which I have pointed out.

We aren't discussing Vitiate for the first time in this forum. In several other threads, this character is vastly explored by me and Nai and both have spent lot of time and effort in explaining the talents and abilities of this character. When such efforts are under-appreciated and overlooked by those who are not fans of the character; it becomes important to convey to such guys that they are exhibiting immature and childish tendencies.

I'm one of the first here to understand how powerful Vitiate is.

He looks as if someone designed him partially off of Broly and partially off of Palpatine, himself.

And I have strong doubts about whether Bane can even weather a mental-assault by Vitiate.

However, if he can, Bane's considerable power within the Force and his Rain-Feat with a lightsaber (dueling speed unmatched by anyone in the Mythos except for Luke) showcase how he would firmly, and brutally, rape Vitiate in Melee/All-out combat.


Vitiate better Mind-rape him, here. Or he's dead.

Originally posted by Rookwood
I'm one of the first here to understand how powerful Vitiate is.

He looks as if someone designed him partially off of Broly and partially off of Palpatine, himself.

And I have strong doubts about whether Bane can even weather a mental-assault by Vitiate.

However, if he can, Bane's considerable power within the Force and his Rain-Feat with a lightsaber (dueling speed unmatched by anyone in the Mythos except for Luke) showcase how he would firmly, and brutally, rape Vitiate in Melee/All-out combat.


Vitiate better Mind-rape him, here. Or he's dead.
What kind of considerable power you are talking about?

Collapsing the entrance of an old unmaintained Temple to kill Lord Kas'im?

Anything else?

Originally posted by -kV-
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What kind of considerable power you are talking about?

Collapsing the entrance of an old unmaintained Temple to kill Lord Kas'im?

Anything else?

Not if you've only read PoD.

Originally posted by Rookwood
What kind of Feats does Bane have of resisting Mind ****ery?

If he can resist Vitiate's TP - then Bane will rip him to shreds.

When Kaan attempted to influence Banes mind Bane almost literally laughed at his attempt. He also resisted Zannah's fear-based sorcery.

Look guys... Bane is my favorite sith of all time. However, I must admit that Vitiate is way more powerful.

I was curious to see if people would dismiss Vitiate for his poor lightsaber and speed feats against Bane as they do Sidious. Question answered I guess.

Yeah, hate is high for Palpatine. Probably because even after all the wanked up Sith, he still holds the title of most powerful. And he is the original Master of the Dark Side


Anyways, the thing about Zannah's sorcery was that he knew how to do it, and therefore how to resist it. How does Vitiate mind f*ck people? If Bane knows how he does so, he has a chance of resisting it.

And I agree with the assessment that Vitiate has about 3 seconds, tops, to win this fight, However, I lean towards him being able to do that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When Kaan attempted to influence Banes mind Bane almost literally laughed at his attempt. He also resisted Zannah's fear-based sorcery.

Hmmm.... Good point.

If he can resist Vitate's TP, and you just gave some good evidence, he wins.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When Kaan attempted to influence Banes mind Bane almost literally laughed at his attempt. He also resisted Zannah's fear-based sorcery.
And this guarantees Bane's chances against Vitiate's telepathic abilities? No.

- Kaan is an absolute joke in comparison.
- Zannah's telepathic abilites are no where near as developed as that of Vitiate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was curious to see if people would dismiss Vitiate for his poor lightsaber and speed feats against Bane as they do Sidious. Question answered I guess.
People also say that Vader is the second strongest Sith. Should the 'wise ones' blindly accept every claim?

Speed is now turning in to another overrated aspect in this forum. Vitiate have fought and defeated some very powerful and talented adversaries in combat; speed did jack for the victims.

Originally posted by Pwned
Yeah, hate is high for Palpatine. Probably because even after all the wanked up Sith, he still holds the title of most powerful. And he is the original Master of the Dark Side
No, original fans like me do not hate Palpatine. However, I have learned to adapt to evolution of Star Wars. GL's creations are no longer prime.

In a recent 'real world perspective' based book from Pablo, no Sith Lord have been declared as most powerful. Understand what this means?

Palpatine have been declared most powerful in sources which do not involve Plagueis and Vitiate. The latter two have also been declared as most powerful Sith Lords in 'in-universe perspective' based sources.

Therefore, your point is moot.

Originally posted by Pwned
Anyways, the thing about Zannah's sorcery was that he knew how to do it, and therefore how to resist it. How does Vitiate mind f*ck people? If Bane knows how he does so, he has a chance of resisting it.
Bane have never met a foe as powerful as Vitiate. Darth Revan impressed him; Vitiate will shit on him.

Originally posted by Pwned
And I agree with the assessment that Vitiate has about 3 seconds, tops, to win this fight, However, I lean towards him being able to do that.
Vitiate doesn't needs 3 seconds to prepare for an attack. He can do so in far less time.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And this guarantees Bane's chances against Vitiate's telepathic abilities? No.

- Kaan is an absolute joke in comparison.
- Zannah's telepathic abilites are no where near as developed as that of Vitiate.

I agree. I was just displaying his feats.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I agree. I was just displaying his feats.
I never suspected your intentions. You are level-headed person.

Of-course, people can highlight Bane's feats in this thread. However, as good as Bane is, Vitiate is on a whole new league.

Originally posted by L30nidas
Look guys... Bane is my favorite sith of all time. However, I must admit that Vitiate is way more powerful.
Another example which people should learn something from.

Originally posted by ares834
Hmmm.... Good point.

If he can resist Vitate's TP, and you just gave some good evidence, he wins.
According to you, every powerful individual should be able to handle Vitiate.

Kaan and Zannah hold no candle to Vitiate either.

So how comes Zannah did not live up to his potential? She has one of the best midi counts in the entire history I think.

Sexism, most likely.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
So how comes Zannah did not live up to his potential? She has one of the best midi counts in the entire history I think.
Zannah outgunned Bane in a setting which was favorable to her. She had relatively better command of Sith Sorcery and she used it to her advantage on Ambria by tapping in to the planet's dark side nexus.

In a nuetral setting, I think Bane can defeat Zannah.

Yeah but in imo she mever really lvied up to her feats that she did in the comics, like when she killed the jedi knights and protected the planet from the thought bom, all while ten years old and without training - fast forward ten eyars and with sith training, she should ahve t keast been starkiller level imo.

Tell me about it. She goes from granting others Force powers, levitating, blocking the Thought Bomb and Banes planet-wide ritual, slaughtering Jedi, vaporizing her cousins arm, all instintively without any training whatsoever, to being worn out by one use of Force Fear and being a complete pansy in lightsaber combat.

I think the only credit given to Zannah was the back-ended compliment of her defeating Bane when he tried to dominate her and crush her mind so that he could take her body.

She's definitely a character whose abilities should have been explored more. She basically became Bane's errand girl in the second novel. Star Wars would have gone no where had Vader been portrayed as such a lowly apprentice.

I don't think Bane could necessarily survive Vitiate's mind tricks, but clearly could he attack the Emperor with such ferocity in the Force and with sabers that he is unable to make a concerted effort, he could take the day.

As stated in the Revan thread, Bane gets utterly destroyed by Vitiate's force storm/force lightning. I noticed Vitiate has a variant of force lightning consisting of a single bolt, yet it took down Revan, as well as Tol Braga's team.

Originally posted by jadams3928
As stated in the Revan thread, Bane gets utterly destroyed by Vitiate's force storm/force lightning. I noticed Vitiate has a variant of force lightning consisting of a single bolt, yet it took down Revan, as well as Tol Braga's team.

Revan only failed to block it because he attempted to absorb it. By contrast, the Jedi Knight casually blocks it with his lightsaber. Now, I know this guys is, according to some, the second coming. However, I can't think of anything that would suggest he is physically stronger than Bane.

I don't recall the Emperor's Voice using the same attack on the Hero that Vitiate used on Revan.

Originally posted by jadams3928
I don't recall the Emperor's Voice That a technique in Oblivion.

Do what now?

Who where?

I think overall, Bane is the more powerful combatant. His lightsaber skills are great, his Force Powers are great, and his smarts are great.

...However, Vitiate still takes this. I wouldn't say it's that bad of an own, I mean, Revan did pretty well in his battle with Vitiate--I believe Bane would do better. Pretty good fight, guys.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
He almost died when his own lighting came against him. Nothing says that in normal circumstances he couldn't defend against it.

Does anyone have any saber abilities for Vitiate? Everything mentioned seems to mainly be about him dominating minds and such.

Vitiate's saber feats are garbage, he got disarmed by a saber throw from Meetra Surik.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sexism, most likely.

This is likely, even Meetra Surik the Mary Sue of SWOTOR II, got the dirt treatment powerscale wise. From defeating villains that by all rights should shit on almost anyone in the verse, to being Revan's tote. Not just being made into Revan's subordinate, but being on a different level power level.

Depends how good Vitiate is as there seem to be conflicting reports on how good is he. I think Bane beats anybody who is not a good few tiers above him in Force power, purely because of the orbalisks.

Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Depends how good Vitiate is as there seem to be conflicting reports on how good is he. I think Bane beats anybody who is not a good few tiers above him in Force power, purely because of the orbalisks.

I dunno, I think Vitiate may be a couple tiers above him. He dominated the minds of 100 Sith Lords, and used a ritual to drain them of their life force, rip the planet of Nathemia of the force, and feeding on the souls of the Sith Lords? Pretty OP.

Also, there's the fact that Vitiate tossed Revan around like a rag-doll. This all leads towards Vitiate being a beast with the Force.

What are the details of how the Knight defeated Vitiate? I've not played the game and I'm curious as to what level of ability the Knight had in terms of mental strength and saber prowess.

Evidently, he was the best of his time by far. If you go to the Star Wars wiki, the list of things he's done is almost as long as Anakin Skywalker's.

He's defeated several powereful Sith Lords, overcame the Emperor who demolished Revan and the Exile completely, and yeah, I'd say this should be enough to prove that he's powerful.

Sadly though, I'm not very far into the game. I know it's plot, and what happens, from the wiki, and let's plays.