Vitiate vs ROTS Sidious
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NewGuy01
Sidious's feats (at this point):
-Defeated Yoda
-Defeated Mace Windu
-Assassinated Darth Plagues
-Simultaneously defeated Maul and Savage Opress
-Masked his dark nature from the Jedi Council for years
Vitiate's feats:
-Ripped the Force from Nathemia (Through ritual)
-Dominated the minds of 100's of Sith Lords
-Defeated Revan with some difficulties
-Stalemated the Hero of Tython
-Achieved immortality
NewGuy01
I think I'm going to vote for Sidious here...
The_Tempest
Been done before.
Sidious wins
excellent
NewGuy01
So have a lot of topics, I'd bet. Consider this a bump, then.
Mizukage Yoda
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axel_jovan
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
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Nephthys
I would say Sidious with a lightsaber and Vitiate with the Force. Imo it depends upon where they are and how far apart they start.
axel_jovan
Originally posted by Nephthys
I would say Sidious with a lightsaber and Vitiate with the Force. Imo it depends upon where they are and how far apart they start.
mmm
NewGuy01
I agree with Nephthys.
Nephthys
Originally posted by axel_jovan
mmm
Dude overpowered 4 of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy in the Force at the same time and his lightning was described as 'infinitely more powerful' than Nyriss' lightning which was enough to tear through force shields and still have the power to disintegrate a being. His TK disintegrated a droid with a wave of his hand and destroyed a massive temple even while dying. He also has extremely powerful telepathy capable of enslaving his opponents.
Nephthys
Man, I am just like, so not arguing this again.
axel_jovan
Originally posted by Nephthys
Man, I am just like, so not arguing this again.
concession accepted
still luv u

The_Tempest
I am pleased that my teachings have cultivated a promising new generation. It is your task to receive the torch I pass and defend the Dark Lord against all foes, foreign and domestic.
DARTH POWER
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Strongest sans Satele

Other than that, good point, but not conclusive at all, given how Sidious Force-raped Maul and Savage...
Sidious Force-raped two beings, whose Force showings are nothing short of beastly
Easily up there with greatest force feats.
These were not just "celebrated swordsmen," or "4 of the best Jedi." They have actual and impressive force feats.
They have individually dominated Council Members with their TK. They've moved Jedi Crafts with ease. And they've put down several Destroyer Droids with one blast.
steveholt951
Sidious gets mind raped.
Nephthys
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Easily up there with greatest force feats.
These were not just "celebrated swordsmen," or "4 of the best Jedi." They have actual and impressive force feats.
They have individually dominated Council Members with their TK. They've moved Jedi Crafts with ease. And they've put down several Destroyer Droids with one blast.
Last time I checked, 4 is twice as much as 2.
axel_jovan
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I am pleased that my teachings have cultivated a promising new generation. It is your task to receive the torch I pass and defend the Dark Lord against all foes, foreign and domestic.
I am not worthy...

axel_jovan
Originally posted by Nephthys
Last time I checked, 4 is twice as much as 2.
Better analogy would be: three 2s and one 6 beat two 4s
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude overpowered 4 of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy in the Force at the same time and his lightning was described as 'infinitely more powerful' than Nyriss' lightning which was enough to tear through force shields and still have the power to disintegrate a being. His TK disintegrated a droid with a wave of his hand and destroyed a massive temple even while dying. He also has extremely powerful telepathy capable of enslaving his opponents.
Overpowering 4 Jedi, two who are featless does not ~ Sidious' feats.
Nephthys
The Hero of Tython and Tol Braga are easily equal to the brothers, the presence of two more Jedi identified to be among the strongest in the galaxy means that Vitiate's feat eclipses Sidious'. Besides which is his feat of his lightning being greatly more powerful than Nyriss' (yes, 'infinitely more powerful' is hyperbole, but its unambiguous that the meaning is that his lightning is far more powerful than hers), which was enough to break through a Force Shield and disintegrate a being. Before you point out that Dromund Kaas is a Force Nexus, I will point out that that is irrelevent since Nyriss' Force Shield would have been equally boosted by a nexus, cancelling out any boost to the Force Lightning.
There is no doubt in my mind that Vitiate has the greatest proficiency with Force Lightning in the mythos thus far demonstrated. And his TK is in my mind no less powerful than Sidious' own. Thus why I say that Vitiate can take Sidious in a contest of the Force.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Hero of Tython and Tol Braga are easily equal to the brothers,
Based on what?
Originally posted by Nephthys
the presence of two more Jedi identified to be among the strongest in the galaxy means that Vitiate's feat eclipses Sidious'.
I'd need to see some feats and accolades for all before making my judgment, but they managed to repulse some of Vitiate's attack whereas the brothers were absolutely and utterly helpless despite their own attested prodigious powers.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Before you point out that Dromund Kaas is a Force Nexus, I will point out that that is irrelevent since Nyriss' Force Shield would have been equally boosted by a nexus, cancelling out any boost to the Force Lightning.
I'm glad to see you finally conceded the point about Dromund Kaas. Nevertheless, Nyriss paused to channel her energies (sensed by Scourge) to summon the lightning whereas her shield was conjured almost immediately to repulse the lightning. It is no surprise that the sudden shield was torn apart by her gathered energies and is perhaps indicative of a weakness in that respect.
Originally posted by Nephthys
There is no doubt in my mind that Vitiate has the greatest proficiency with Force Lightning in the mythos thus far demonstrated.
Based on?
Originally posted by Nephthys
And his TK is in my mind no less powerful than Sidious' own.
What about in the real world, son?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thus why I say that Vitiate can take Sidious in a contest of the Force.
I disagree. Sidious enjoys an advantage in both feats and accolades. Vitiate's only prayer is to subdue the Emperor psychically and that notion has been soundly debunked. Vitiate will put up a great fight, but the smarter, stronger, and more successful Sith Master will ultimately prevail.
pencilcrayon
Didn't a burst of lightning from Sidious wiped out a few hundred stormtroopers without hitting his own royal guards who were near him.
The_Tempest
It was less than 50 stormtroopers, but yes.
Nephthys
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm glad to see you finally conceded the point about Dromund Kaas. Nevertheless, Nyriss paused to channel her energies (sensed by Scourge) to summon the lightning whereas her shield was conjured almost immediately to repulse the lightning. It is no surprise that the sudden shield was torn apart by her gathered energies and is perhaps indicative of a weakness in that respect.
I concede nothing, I just knew you'd bring it up so I was pre-emptive in my argument. And that doesn't refute my point, nothing suggests that a nexus empowers you more if you're more powerful, or if you use more powerful attacks. The effect should have consistently boosted the shield and the lightning by the same degree. If it exists at all.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
I concede nothing, I just knew you'd bring it up so I was pre-emptive in my argument.
Sure, sure. excellent
Originally posted by Nephthys
And that doesn't refute my point, nothing suggests that a nexus empowers you more if you're more powerful, or if you use more powerful attacks. The effect should have consistently boosted the shield and the lightning by the same degree.
No, my point was that a charged attack tearing through last-second defenses isn't surprising.
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Hero of Tython and Tol Braga are easily equal to the brothers, the presence of two more Jedi identified to be among the strongest in the galaxy means that Vitiate's feat eclipses Sidious'. Besides which is his feat of his lightning being greatly more powerful than Nyriss' (yes, 'infinitely more powerful' is hyperbole, but its unambiguous that the meaning is that his lightning is far more powerful than hers), which was enough to break through a Force Shield and disintegrate a being. Before you point out that Dromund Kaas is a Force Nexus, I will point out that that is irrelevent since Nyriss' Force Shield would have been equally boosted by a nexus, cancelling out any boost to the Force Lightning.
Except Revan also boosted it with his own power. Thus her own lightning is unquantifiable. Also disintegration is hardly really a feat, more of an author's interpretation. Starkiller's lightning does plenty more dangerous things, and yet it is very much inferior to Darth Sidious (Sidious killed Vader in seconds, Starkillers could not).
Also prove mid-game Hero of Tython is stronger than Darth Maul who is easily superior to all but the most elite Jedi Council members of the age. He has no Dark Council kills up to that point. Darth Angral wasn't on the Council.
Tol Braga defeated a Dark Council member, but so what? Savage was able to demolish a Jedi Council member.
The other two mooks are just that, mooks, with inferior feats to Tol and HoT.
May I ask why dueling a featless Dark Council member is more impressive than defeating Adi Gallia, who has proved GG's equal?
Vitiate has zero-no impressive TK feats. Sidious has also disintegrated shit with lightning, and also has some damned impressive force feats as per Darth Plaeguis.
Nephthys
Meh, that there was resistance makes it an exceptional feat. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall it being implied the shield was weak or hastily made. Revan did mouth off before he fired it back, so she had time to react. Either way it is still one of the best lightning feats, and for Vitiate to greatly exceed it on top of his curbstomp of the strike team indicates to me that he is the best. Better than all the rest. He is simply the be-eeee-eeeest.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
Meh, that there was resistance makes it an exceptional feat. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall it being implied the shield was weak or hastily made.
Revan did mouth off before he fired it back, so she had time to react. Either way it is still one of the best lightning feats, and for Vitiate to greatly exceed it on top of his curbstomp of the strike team indicates to me that he is the best. Better than all the rest. He is simply the be-eeee-eeeest.
The text very clearly depicts Nyriss as conjuring the shield after Revan's brief smack talk; the attack carried on "unabated." There is no indication there was resistance at all.
Mizukage Yoda
Also sorry to burst your bubble Neph, but the Emperor's Space Station is cloaked in orbit of Dromund Kaas. He still had the boost.
It is later moved to Ilum by Darth Malgus.
Nephthys
Man, **** responding to 3 of you at once. **** that noise.
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
Man, **** responding to 3 of you at once. **** that noise.
GG http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series3/2z7exox.png
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Point conceded, my other point still stands though.
Fair enough, I'm just trying to lend my beleaguered sex slave a hand (wink, wink). The truth is that Nephthys's painfully limited intellect is rapidly straining under the stress of attempting to combat my inexorable victory. The presence of yourself and axel_jovan only compounds his struggle. Still, I must commend him for his effort. Alas, the fact that Sidious is smarter, stronger, more powerful and skilled than any other Sith Lord continues to thwart even his most sincere efforts.
Hence his profound fear of me. Fortunately, what he lacks in brains he makes up for in an inviting anal cavity. 313
Nephthys
I'm on my brother's crappy weed-covered, virus-infected notebook atm. It's hard enoug hto refresh the page, let along respond. It's not for lack of ability, I assure you.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm on my brother's crappy weed-covered, virus-infected notebook atm. It's hard enoug hto refresh the page, let along respond. It's not for lack of ability, I assure you.
My lady doth protest too much.
I grant you permission to retreat into your cave of insecurity and inadequacy. Later, I will plunder another cave of yours with an unprecedented tenacity. excellent
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm on my brother's crappy weed-covered, virus-infected notebook atm. It's hard enoug hto refresh the page, let along respond. It's not for lack of ability, I assure you.
You getting high without me Neph?

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by The_Tempest
My lady doth protest too much.
I grant you permission to retreat into your cave of insecurity and inadequacy. Later, I will plunder another cave of yours with an unprecedented tenacity. excellent
excellent
Nephthys
I loath drugs. :I
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
I loath drugs. :I
You don't drink?
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
I loath drugs. :I
You? The bleeding heart liberal? haermm
Nephthys
Yep. Can't stand the ****ing stuff.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You don't drink?
Nope.
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by The_Tempest
You? The bleeding heart liberal? haermm
Girls, girls, this is what the convo thread is for http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series3/2z7exox.png
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yep. Can't stand the ****ing stuff.
Nope.
And yet you are almost inexorably high from the thick weed residue on the notebook you are currently using. Well I'm sure you have your reasons.
Anyway, I only have a drink on occasion. But you struck me as a weed smoker.
axel_jovan
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You getting high without me Neph?
ah, that explains a lot...and I thought that Neph's arguments were for real lol
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yep. Can't stand the ****ing stuff.
Honestly, I'm shocked. You know the stereotype where conservatives are ruthless religious zealots? The liberal stereotype is that of lazy pot-smocking hippies. Joking aside, I'd pegged you for a cliche in that respect.
Kudos to you.
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Honestly, I'm shocked. You know the stereotype where conservatives are ruthless religious zealots? The liberal stereotype is that of lazy pot-smocking hippies. Joking aside, I'd pegged you for a cliche in that respect.
Kudos to you.
I wonder if he's for or against the legalization of weed.http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/mmm.gif
axel_jovan
Judging by the qaulity of his arguments, he's been using this sh1t for a long time now....so for
Forgot about this:
Yeah, I'm sure Yoda walked into the senate chamber hoping to talk some sense into his ol' pal Palpy.
Don't act silly, Neph, and don't lowball this feat.
Maybe Yoda didn't have time to put up defense because Sids is just that good with FL...
Nephthys
Against it, Mizu. Very, very against.
And keep up axel, I HATE drugs.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Honestly, I'm shocked. You know the stereotype where conservatives are ruthless religious zealots? The liberal stereotype is that of lazy pot-smocking hippies. Joking aside, I'd pegged you for a cliche in that respect.
Kudos to you.
I also despise hippies. Which is ironic considering I just moved to Glastonbury, the biggest hippie town in Britain.
I am lazy though. And you misspelt 'smoking.'
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
Against it, Mizu. Very, very against.
And keep up axel, I HATE drugs.
I also despise hippies. Which is ironic considering I just moved to Glastonbury, the biggest hippie town in Britain.
I am lazy though. And you misspelt 'smoking.'
I see, well I am for it because of all the economic benefits it'll have. If that means a few potheads'll have a few less brain cells. I'm okay with that.
As for this debate my dear Neph, I do want to point out to your attention that the Emperor's Space Station is in orbit of Dromund Kaas
axel_jovan
Originally posted by Nephthys
I am lazy though. And you misspelt 'smoking.'
Man, you've got him there...
Yeah, I keep up

Nephthys
Yes, I saw that. Is there any indication that a nexus extends into space. It's far enough away that you can't see Dromund Kaas when you board it.
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, I saw that. Is there any indication that a nexus extends into space. It's far enough away that you can't see Dromund Kaas when you board it.
Designer error for resuing the stock ship arriving at space station. You can't really see the planet Carrick Station is orbiting in the approach cutscene, but it's fairly close when you fly out in the starfighter.
The boost is probably not as much, but undoubtedly there.
Nephthys
Proof for any of that?
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
Proof for any of that?
The force exists in everything. A few kilometers is nothing compared to an entire planet being saturated by the Dark Side.
If the Dark Temple can corrupt an entire planet, I don't see why a few kilometers up would be any different/
Ascendancy
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The force exists in everything. A few kilometers is nothing compared to an entire planet being saturated by the Dark Side.
If the Dark Temple can corrupt an entire planet, I don't see why a few kilometers up would be any different/
AFAIR, none of the Sith ever felt the effects of the nexuses until they were plantet-side. They sensed the power, but are never describes as being amped while in space.
Vensai
Sidious takes down his copycat and gets back to ruling the empire.
Arhael
From one side there is no fights in space that would require drawing power from darkside nexus. From another, one of the strongest Force nexuses was on Coruscant and it couldn't be used, until wall of the structure it was contained in was broken. If a wall an isolate it, then kilometers of atmosphere should at least significantly weaken it.
Also, Leia in one book felt darkside nexus of exploded Death Star, only when the ship was in exact position where it exploded.
pencilcrayon
One of them uses their own power to drain the planet, but the other manipulates his minions or uses them to increase his own to drain the planet?
Nephthys
If that first one is Sidious, since the feat is off-screen we have no way of verifying that he drained Byss under his own power, plus he performed the feat over a number of years. It really isn't worth bringing up in a forum fight where he will not be given that length of time to prepare his attack.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
plus he performed the feat over a number of years
Source?
Nephthys
**** off. You know he drained them over a buncha ****ing years, don't act coy you moist thundercunt.
Edit: Wow, ***** is censored but not thundercunt. Bizarre.
The_Tempest
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To my knowledge, no source ever actually ascribes a time sketch for it. It could have been months, years, or even decades.
Nephthys
I'm pretty sure it directly says he drained and dominated them over a period of years.

pencilcrayon
Didn't he only keep them alive so he could repeat it rather than kill them all outright? As in being able to use it again and again.
Nephthys
I'm not sure. All I know about that is Tempest whingingly going 'okay so he didn't actually kill them like Vitiate and Nihilus did, but only cuz he didn't want to! That doesn't make it less powerful than their drain!' I'm unaware of any source saying he could have drained them completely of life had he so chosen though.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure it directly says he drained and dominated them over a period of years.
Then you should have no trouble directing me to "it."
Unless "it" is your penis, in which case you're going to need all the help you can get.
Confirmed by The Book of Sith, page 94. The inhabitants of Byss "supplied an energy pool" for the Emperor's dark side experiments.
Much like blood donations, it makes sense that it works better as a renewable source. You can get more that way.
NewGuy01
I would say Vitiate has the more powerful Sith Lightning and Mind Domination abilities, while ROTS Sidious has the more impressive TK here. Evidently Mind Domination will not come into play for this fight.
And as the TK difference seems small, considering Vitiate could collapse a temple on his deathbed. While his lightning seems to be a great deal superior to Sidious's as of ROTS.
I'd give the Force advantage to Vitiate by a fair margine, but Sidious comes out with his far superior saber skills, and strategy and ends up winning this.
Nephthys
That seems to be a fair and reasonable assessment.

pencilcrayon
Didn't his lightning not push back hero of tython's saber? But this other guy could make his opponent choke on ozone before giving up. He only won the saber fight legitimately.
Nephthys
Just proving how awesome the Hero of Tython is. estahuh
DARTH POWER
Originally posted by Nephthys
How is Maul 'easily superior' to the majority of the Council?
Since Dave Filoni outright confirmed that even Opress's performace against Sidious was superior to 3 "celebrated" Council Members.
So it's kind of a non-brainer that Maul is well above the majority of the Council.
Nephthys
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pencilcrayon
So even on Dromund Kaas, he was still overpowered by a lightsaber wielder when he tried using his lightning? ( Does this planet amplify his abilities, too? )
SLJ was being overpowered by the lightning without amplification for the old man and that it was beyond vaapad? Isn't that supposed to give him a boost?
Nephthys
5 days is enough time for me to declare myself the winner.
Booyah!
The_Tempest
Please, I conquered this thread the moment I graced it with my divine presence. You may take your place at my feet.
Nephthys
You lost your crown when you chikenshat you pants at the sight of my radiance.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
You lost your crown when you chikenshat you pants at the sight of my radiance.
False, sir. For I do not wear pants when we interact.
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Nephthys
5 days is enough time for me to declare myself the winner.
Booyah!
No, we just already know we are right. The only thing we need is your concession excellent. Unfortunately we're as likely to get that as likely as you'll fail your next drug test.
DARTH POWER
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol at it being more of an interpretation. Starkiller does not do more dangerous things. He short-circuits an AT-AT, but that isn't necessarily more powerful than disintegration.
Dunno about his FL. But his TK is easily as dangerous. Probably a lot more so. The guy blew up half a frigate into tiny pieces (TFUII).
Vensai
In a short debate, Sidious is canonically the strongest Sith at least up to ROTS.
The_Tempest
Where is it shown/stated that Vitiate brought down the entire temple?
Nephthys
The Jedi Knight final mission: Doomsday.
I just finished it today in fact.
The_Tempest
Pics, quotes, etc.
Nephthys
Vitiate: 'If I must die, everything dies with me.'
Shit starts collapsing
Lord Scourge: 'The temples coming apart, we have to leave, quickly.'
The_Tempest
Yeah, I saw rocks fall. But Scourge could have been exaggerating. Any conclusive source?
Nephthys
Scourge can't exaggerate. He was literally purged of his creativity.
Nephthys
The thing that turned him immortal took away his emotions, his creativity, his ability to experience pleasure, enjoy tastes etc etc. The guys basically a droid.
The_Tempest
Yeah, I read the book.
Nowhere is it said that he can't exaggerate. You have a source?
ROTJ Vader
Sidious owns. Hes the strongest character of the PT era(well tied with Yoda for the number 1 spot, and the PT era is known as the golden age of the jedi strongest era) and the strongest sith ever.
ROTJ Vader
1.Sabers-Sidious 10/10
2.Force-Sidious 9/10
3.All Out-Sidious 10/10
Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Where is it shown/stated that Vitiate brought down the entire temple?
And yet you can visit the Dark Temple after these events take place as a Sith character can't you? excellent
NewGuy01
Vitiate on a Dark Side Nexus is still not as powerful as Sidious on a neutral system, the gap is not one that can be easily bridged.
Vitiate puts up a fight, but ultimately is defeated in every catagory.
The_Tempest
Originally posted by Nephthys
Swtor.
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As usual, your contortionist arguments fail. But kudos at achieving the flexibility required to cram your head up your own ass.
Of course, I've hollowed out your bumhole enough with my massive that it should be quite comfortable, the perpetual breeze notwithstanding. excellent
Get me the exact source by the end of business or I will be forced to collect your concession.
The_Tempest
Massive penis. Damn omission taking the wind outta my sails.

pencilcrayon
How is Vitiate stronger in FL if HoT could just walk up to him while FL was being thrown at him? HoT's weaker and doesn't have an ability to boost him vs DS abilities? The other guy could push his opponent's saber while boosted with that ability.
Nephthys
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
HoT's weaker
Proof?
Also Vitiate was noticeably exhausted at that point; on his knees, panting and clutching his side shortly beforehand.
Zett
I have one question
Vitiate was using his duplicate against HoT. Was this duplicate as strong as he is himself?
Nephthys
The codex entry on the Emperor's Voice states that it houses his consciousness and power.
Nephthys
Originally posted by The_Tempest
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As usual, your contortionist arguments fail. But kudos at achieving the flexibility required to cram your head up your own ass.
Of course, I've hollowed out your bumhole enough with my massive that it should be quite comfortable, the perpetual breeze notwithstanding. excellent
Get me the exact source by the end of business or I will be forced to collect your concession.
I'm not entirely sure what the end of business is but I'm going to assume that was supposed to be some sort of legitimate ultimatum rather than another typo.
I've given you the source you spaz. Swtor is the source. If you meant the scene or quote then you're outta luck. I just finished that game and I'm going through it again just to satisfy you. Needless to say that I kept Scourge with me basically at all times and maxed out his influence. I can't recall him ever exaggerating or overblowing a situation. He's blunt as hell.
Scourge is a homourless pragmatist who would not exaggerate about this. What would be the point? Hell, not giving the HoT an accurate picture of whats happening would only put them in danger. Furthermore, he was at the time extending his senses to sense the Emperor's death, so he would be completely capable of sensing what the Emperor was doing. He wasn't just talking out of his ass. Moreover, look at the words. 'If I die, everything dies with me', clearly indicating a totality that wouldn't be there if he was merely collapsing the room. And then look at Scourges reply 'The temple is coming apart, we have to leave.' You probably don't know this, but the rest of the Jedi Knights companions were also in the temple fighting, which is why Scourge says 'we' rather than just 'you'. That he would say this indicates again that the destruction is widespread enough to threaten the rest of the party, ergo it was not merely localised destruction. And lastly we see the temple shaking and coming apart.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And yet you can visit the Dark Temple after these events take place as a Sith character can't you? excellent
Nope.
The_Tempest
That was a rather lengthy way of saying Scourge could very well be exaggerating and you haven't any source to confirm the temple's destruction.
End of business is a term used in the United States that refers to a company's hours of operation.

pencilcrayon
Yoda is "the greatest foe the dark side has ever known" rots novelization
pre luke
The_Tempest
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That was a heck of a rebuttal. I believe I may have found my successor.
Nephthys
Lol, it really wasn't.
axel_jovan
Originally posted by The_Tempest
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That was a heck of a rebuttal. I believe I may have found my successor.
awww....

Nephthys
I've run out of internet so I won't be able to respond for a few days. Since you made me wait 2 weeks for a response last time, I'm sure you'll survive 2 days without my eminence.
axel_jovan
No prob.

You can take you time too.
Since my work and study week started I'll respond to it after next weekend.
DARTH POWER
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Good call. I meant FL which is an application of Force powers, obviously.
I think it was both actually as the first blast sent Opress flying back. I don't think FL does that by itself.
Also Dooku casually levitates and chokes Opress in their sparring session. I know that was before his training but he hardly had any training and the vast majority of his power came from the nightsister amp as confirmed by Dave Filoni.
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