Darth Maul and Savage Opress vs Cin Drallig and Kit Fisto

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Sybrael

Mizukage Yoda
Hmm this is a good fight. I think with Jar'Kai Kit can hold off Savage...however the question is can Cin Drallig really defeat Darth Maul.
We know Dooku holds him in high esteem.
If the ROTS video game fight with him and Anakin were canon, I'd say him hands down. But the canon has Anakin slaying him with moderate difficulty.

Vensai
Good fight. I'd say Maul brothers overall though. I don't see Drallig or Fisto having the feats to go up against Mauls saber and TK abilities. And Savage should be over Fisto based on his performance against Sidious.

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Vensai
Good fight. I'd say Maul brothers overall though. I don't see Drallig or Fisto having the feats to go up against Mauls saber and TK abilities. And Savage should be over Fisto based on his performance against Sidious.

Cin Drallig is the question here. He's mentioned in the same breath as Mace, Obi-Wan, and Shaak Ti, all of which I put above Maul.

Vensai
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Cin Drallig is the question here. He's mentioned in the same breath as Mace, Obi-Wan, and Shaak Ti, all of which I put above Maul.

What are his feats aside from hype. I only recall him losing to Vader.

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Vensai
What are his feats aside from hype. I only recall him losing to Vader.

If we take it that a large portion of the duel in ROTS was canon. He was able to block and redirect Vader's TK and send him packing. He was also able to duel on par with Vader for a considerable amount of time and gave him a challenge. This is saying something, because I believe that Jedi Temple Vader is peak Vader.

Vensai
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If we take it that a large portion of the duel in ROTS was canon. He was able to block and redirect Vader's TK and send him packing. He was also able to duel on par with Vader for a considerable amount of time and gave him a challenge. This is saying something, because I believe that Jedi Temple Vader is peak Vader.

Looking over ROTS, wasn't Drallig facing Vader with a bunch of younglings. And apparently Vader took down Drallig fairly quickly based on what we see of the fight.

ROTJ Vader
Drallig takes out Maul after a hard fight then Fisto loses to Savage after a hard fight. then its Drallig Vs Savage which I see Drallig taking.

Good fight.

Galan007
Originally posted by Sybrael
Cin Drallig:

Saber styles: Juyo/Vaapad I didn't know Cin utilized Juyo/Vaapad... confused

Vensai
Originally posted by Galan007
I didn't know Cin utilized Juyo/Vaapad... confused

He's the swords master and instructor for initiatives. Still, Anakin killed him with just Djem So.

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Vensai
He's the swords master and instructor for initiatives. Still, Anakin killed him with just Djem So.

Cin Draalig is actually stated to have studied 6 forms except any form of form 7.

Galan007
Originally posted by Vensai
He's the swords master and instructor for initiatives. Yeah, I know. I'd just never heard that he utilized form VII. To the contrary, I'd always heard that Cin only knew enough about form VII to explain what it entailed on a rudimentary level, but nowhere near enough for it to be his form of choice in direct combat. Aside from that, Cin being the saber instructor for rookie Jedi doesn't mean he had to have known form VII by proxy-- as that form of combat is forbidden to even the most senior of Jedi.

Anywho, what source was that stated in?

Mizukage Yoda
Okay so the cutscenes in the ROTS video game that don't contradict other sources are canon. Cool. Then Cin Drallig is above Maul, and Fisto can hold off Savage with Jar'Kai long enough for Cin to win.

Sybrael
Juyo/Vaapad was his specially known style he practiced and utilized against Vader in the Temple.

Vensai
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Okay so the cutscenes in the ROTS video game that don't contradict other sources are canon. Cool. Then Cin Drallig is above Maul, and Fisto can hold off Savage with Jar'Kai long enough for Cin to win.

And if Fisto has no Jar Kai, I think the brothers take it. So what are Dralligs force feats anyway?

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Vensai
And if Fisto has no Jar Kai, I think the brothers take it. So what are Dralligs force feats anyway?

He blocked a TK from Vader and then sent him packing with his own TK.

Galan007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfW4vK-Fu1A
(starts at 2:32.)

Vensai
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He blocked a TK from Vader and then sent him packing with his own TK.

But do you consider Anakins TK to be greater than Mauls? Maul ripped a ship off a cliff for one thing.

Arhael
Originally posted by Galan007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfW4vK-Fu1A
(starts at 2:32.)
And people are surprised that Anakin couldn't overpower Kenobi with TK. smile

Vensai
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Okay so the cutscenes in the ROTS video game that don't contradict other sources are canon. Cool. Then Cin Drallig is above Maul, and Fisto can hold off Savage with Jar'Kai long enough for Cin to win.

I think Cin died alongside younglings like in the novel. In the game he died outside after the force push. I would consider that a contradiction.

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Vensai
I think Cin died alongside younglings like in the novel. In the game he died outside after the force push. I would consider that a contradiction.

Not exactly. In the game he dies on the roof of the Room of a Thousand Fountains. That part is non-canon. But it is perfectly possible for the duel to have progressed into the room of a thousand fountains.

And yes in the level before Skywalker demolishes a statue and uses it to break down the Temple gates.

Vensai
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Not exactly. In the game he dies on the roof of the Room of a Thousand Fountains. That part is non-canon. But it is perfectly possible for the duel to have progressed into the room of a thousand fountains.

And yes in the level before Skywalker demolishes a statue and uses it to break down the Temple gates.

I see. But do you think that was more impressive than Mauls ship feat? Granted he was desperate at the time.

Vensai
Originally posted by Arhael
And people are surprised that Anakin couldn't overpower Kenobi with TK. smile

Well Cin blocked with both hands while Kenobi was going one hand for one hand with Vader in a blade lock.

Mizukage Yoda
Originally posted by Vensai
I see. But do you think that was more impressive than Mauls ship feat? Granted he was desperate at the time.

Yes. Because unlike Maul's feat where he moved it and then let it drop. Anakin brought the statue down then lifted it up and trashed it into the door.

Vensai
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes. Because unlike Maul's feat where he moved it and then let it drop. Anakin brought the statue down then lifted it up and trashed it into the door.

That is impressive. And Anakin wasn't even desperate like Maul.

Mizukage Yoda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8R_8AJkHcA

3:49
In case you wanted to see it.

Arhael
Originally posted by Vensai
Well Cin blocked with both hands while Kenobi was going one hand for one hand with Vader in a blade lock.
I don't think it matters much. For lightning it seems to. For TK I can give example of how Luke resisted Unu'Thul's TK using only one hand:
But this time, Luke was ready. He placed his own hand in front of Raynar's and rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object.

Vensai
Originally posted by Arhael
I don't think it matters much. For lightning it seems to. For TK I can give example of how Luke resisted Unu'Thul's TK using only one hand:
But this time, Luke was ready. He placed his own hand in front of Raynar's and rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object.

Well that's EU Luke, that's not the best comparison. Not everyone can root themselves in the force.
Besides, even with both hands, Anakin still pushed Cin back a bit. Cin seemed to catch off guard because Anakin thought one hand would be enough for him.

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