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Where do they fall!?. Get fullrest in between eachmatch

1.Grievous/Ventress
2.Kit Fisto/Plo Koon
3.Count Dooku/Qui Gon Jinn
4.Mace Windu/Shaak Ti
5.Anakin/Kenobi
6.they clear

Lose at 5.

1. Maul stomps Grievous, Savage stomps Ventress
2. Maul toys with Kit Fisto, Plo Koon gets wrecked
3. Qui-Gon is killed by Savage, Maul lives and Dooku dies trying
4. Maul gives Mace one hell of a fight, Savage barely wins, Mace dies
5. Tie

Stop at 5 for sure.
Quigon and Shaak Ti are severe weak links.

1. Grievous/Ventress:
Well, none in team 1 is even able to take any advantage over Savage. And Mauls is quite better then his brother. So its a stomp.

2. Kit Fisto/Plo Koon:
Well, Kit lost to Ventress, and he's in the same league with her, I think. Plo is a bit better with both, force and sabers. He even forced Ventress to flee with broken arm. But he lost to Savage. So, even if Plo is somehow able to fight with Savage as equal, then again Maul's superior skill is deciding point. It's stop or almost stomp again.

3. Count Dooku/Qui Gon Jinn:
Qui-Gon was one of the finest swordsman in order, and was able to press on Maul during their fight on Naboo. He did better against Maul then Savage in my opinion (imo TPM Maul's saber skill are very equal to TCW Mauls's - TCW version is just much better with the force). Dooku on the other hand is strongest person here - with both, sabers and force. And this duel might be different then the others - in my opinion it wouldn't be 2x 1v1. Dooku can engage Maul in sabers, and helps Qui-Gon with Savage by using his force FL or TK. In place with a lot of space, Dooku might be even able to defeat both brothers by his own. Despite all of this, Dooku and Qui-Gon might be a nice team, with great teamwork. So Dooku and Qui-Gon take this.

4. Mace Windu/Shaak Ti:
Well, I don't hold Shaak Ti is such high esteem like most of you guys. I think she's below Kolar, Fisto, Koon, Bulq. Anyway, she's much better then Adi, so maybe she might be able to hold Savage for a while. Mace can kill Maul, but im not sure if he will do this fast enough. Yeah, Shaak Ti is weakest link, and it can go either way. Mace lacks better force feats, I think - if he would be able to force push or throw Maul, then he could help Shaak Ti with Savage and kill him with a seconds. But after his fight with Bulq, I doubt, that he might be able to do this. Yeah, it can goes either way. Maybe brothers' better teamwork may give them a small advantage. With Depa or Sora as ally, Mace would take this easily.

5. Anakin/Kenobi:
Jedi probably wins that. The only brothers' chace is to take out Kenobi with TK - maybe Maul would be able to do that, but I doubt. Anyway, there is their only chance. In sabers Anakin can defeat both of them, and Obi-Wan can defeat Savage, and is - at least - equal to Maul. And jedi's teamwork is as good as borthers' - if not better. So jedi 8-9/10.

The brothers might clear but this would be dependent upon circumstances and setting.

Some possibilities:-

1.) The brothers would experience trouble at 3 due to Count Dooku.

2.) The brothers might fail at 4, if Shaak Ti (in this team) is her peak incarnation. Mace can hold his own against majority in his time.

3.) Team 5 is also tough to crack. As per my observation, the brothers have advantage in case of effectiveness of their Force powers against the Jedi. Therefore, the brothers can win in this contest, if they play smart.

In the nutshell, the brothers can win/loose against 3, 4 and 5 teams.

They will lose at 3/4. Dooku/Mace are hard core on their own. Getting help from skilled Council level members will tip it in their favor.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They will lose at 3/4. Dooku/Mace are hard core on their own. Getting help from skilled Council level members will tip it in their favor.

This.

Maul Brothers Lose At 1. He Smelly & Him & Savage SUCK.

Maul & Savage Die Easy To Mace Windu & Obi Wan & They Cry Like Babies & Go WAWAWAWAWAWA. But Sidious Threw The Fight & Far Stronger Then Mace Windu & THAT THAT OKEY.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They will lose at 3/4. Dooku/Mace are hard core on their own. Getting help from skilled Council level members will tip it in their favor.
Not sure if Quigon is a strong enough link though.

Originally posted by Vensai
Not sure if Quigon is a strong enough link though.

Well he held off TPM Maul for a while, so I'm sure he can hold off Opress for a bit(like Adi did), whilst Mace deals with Maul.

Mace is fully capable of engaging them both by himself. Although he'd probably lose on his own.

One of the brothers will beat Jinn before Mace beats the other, in my opinion.

Maul could probably last some time against Mace. But Opress won't last very long. Then Jinn wouldn't last very long against Maul either. Which would leave Mace vs Maul, which obviously Mace will win.

True, but there's a good opportunity they'd get a chance to double-team Mace.

True, but even if they can double team him they'd probably win it after a hard fight.

I just personally think a Council-Level Master like Qui-Gon should tip the scales for Mace to take the win.

Fair.

It could go either way. As you guys have said, it mainly depends on who dies first.

Originally posted by Zett
4. Mace Windu/Shaak Ti:
Well, I don't hold Shaak Ti is such high esteem like most of you guys. I think she's below Kolar, Fisto, Koon, Bulq. Anyway, she's much better then Adi, so maybe she might be able to hold Savage for a while. Mace can kill Maul, but im not sure if he will do this fast enough. Yeah, Shaak Ti is weakest link, and it can go either way. Mace lacks better force feats, I think - if he would be able to force push or throw Maul, then he could help Shaak Ti with Savage and kill him with a seconds. But after his fight with Bulq, I doubt, that he might be able to do this. Yeah, it can goes either way. Maybe brothers' better teamwork may give them a small advantage. With Depa or Sora as ally, Mace would take this easily.


Um, given that Mace Windu alone was able to defeat Darth Sidious, who tooled the two Maul brothers with contemptuous ease, I don't see how the duo would stand a chance against Windu and Shaak Ti together. Windu just needs enough time to sink into vaapad, and then Maul's "whah I hate Kenobi" dark side rage will simply feed his own energies.

Furthermore, it's quite a stretch to denigrate Windu's strength in the Force; he's one of the few persons in history to have mastered shatterpoint, turns Sidious's lightning back on the sith lord at point blank range, and holds up an avalanche in Shatterpoint. Maul and Opress both get pinned by Sidious with no apparent effort.

Wat Up Everyone This Topic Is Smelly

Anyways They Lose At Match #1. Grievous Could Proabably Win All By Himself Anyways.

Originally posted by Master Han
Maul and Opress both get pinned by Sidious with no apparent effort.

That doesn't mean Mace can do the same. Mace's force powers are more comparable to Dooku's than Sidious's.

And remember Maul and Opress are no slouches in the Force. They have both ragdolled Jedi Council Masters, starships, smashed apart prisons from the inside e.t.c.

Originally posted by Mental DARTH POWER
I am a dumb troll & fanboy of Maul

I Do Agree

LOL.

Yeah... I don't think Mace could replicate what he did against Sidious in this case. Even though his Vaapad will come into effect either way, he has to focus on two targets rather than one.

Originally posted by Mental Intrepid37
LOL.

Mental Intrepid37 I Love The Fact That You & ROTJ Vader Are My Bitches Buddy

LOL.

Mental lol.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
LOL.

Col. Valerian Mental Intrepid37 & Mental ROTJ Vader Are My Bitches Buddy & They Are My Slaves.

Mental rofl.

LOL

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That Is Not Me That Is My Rival Banjotron2000.

MentalIntrepid37 Why Dont You Go Have Somemore Cyber Sex With Your Boyfriend Mental ROTJ Vader Buddy.

LOL

Everyone Dont Believe This Slander

Originally posted by Mental DARTH POWER
Maul & Opress suck in the force & I am a troll

I do agree.

ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE, OR I'LL USE THIS FINANCIAL CRISIS AS AN EXCUSE TO... WIPE OUT CHINA!

Originally posted by Mental Taay'hai
I am jealous of banjo broski because he is the smartest starwars user & bestest user on these forums

I Do Agree

I really just don't understand the 'Mental' thing... how is it funny x.x

There are autism kids out there that might like Star Wars and read this, ye know.

And you're defeating the purpose of this thread

Originally posted by Mental Taay'hai
I am stupid & a waste of time

Mental Taay'hai Because I Am Right On StarWars & A master.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yeah... I don't think Mace could replicate what he did against Sidious in this case. Even though his Vaapad will come into effect either way, he has to focus on two targets rather than one.

I don't think it's ever stated that Mace can only draw on a single entity's dark side energies.

Windu just harnessing Maul's power should be able to solo them, given that he is, in baseline, >= Dooku, who would have defeated RotS Anakin and Obi Wan together had it not been for the former's "in the zone" moment.

Originally posted by Mental Banjo Broski
I am a selfish dbag with an unfortunately distasteful title, and not only for the forums. If only you guys knew my RL name, you'd be offended.

Banjo Broski, you need professional help.

Either Mace or Dooku tool the bros with the little help they'll need from partner.

Originally posted by Master Han
I don't think it's ever stated that Mace can only draw on a single entity's dark side energies.

Windu just harnessing Maul's power should be able to solo them, given that he is, in baseline, >= Dooku, who would have defeated RotS Anakin and Obi Wan together had it not been for the former's "in the zone" moment.

That's where A>B>C doesn't work. Dooku won't be force choking Maul with the ease he force choked Kenobi. And he certainly won't be kick slamming Opress half way across the room onto his rear.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's where A>B>C doesn't work. Dooku won't be force choking Maul with the ease he force choked Kenobi. And he certainly won't be kick slamming Opress half way across the room onto his rear.

Evidence that Maul > Kenobi in the Force?

Also, I'd point out that these brothers' forms, and with their being sith and all, aren't as suited to coordinating attacks as Obi Wan and Anakin.

Originally posted by Master Han
Evidence that Maul > Kenobi in the Force?

Both Maul and Opress are > Kenobi in Force TK. How many times do they have to ragdoll Kenobi before they prove that. And how many more feats(above anything we've ever seen from Kenobi) do they need?

Originally posted by Master Han
Also, I'd point out that these brothers' forms, and with their being sith and all, aren't as suited to coordinating attacks as Obi Wan and Anakin.

I agree in an all out ROTS Anakin and Kenobi >> Maul and Opress.

Problem against Dooku is Kenobi was taken out too easily by the Force. Whilst Maul and Opress are both Force beasts so will prove a much more difficult duo to seperate.

Remember Dooku just had the edge over Ventress and Opress in the episode "Witches of the Mist."

Originally posted by Master Han
I don't think it's ever stated that Mace can only draw on a single entity's dark side energies.

Windu just harnessing Maul's power should be able to solo them, given that he is, in baseline, >= Dooku, who would have defeated RotS Anakin and Obi Wan together had it not been for the former's "in the zone" moment.
He only has feats of drawing from one source with Vaapad.

Originally posted by Master Han
Evidence that Maul > Kenobi in the Force?


Wtf?.

Are you serious?.

Wtf is up with the recent lowballing of Maul lol.

Originally posted by Mental Master Han
Banjo Broski, you need professional help.

Shut Your Mouth You Dildhoe

So we agree the brothers make it to 4-5 then.

Originally posted by Mental Banjo Broski
Who am I kidding, I'm the real Dildhoe. I can't even be strongarmed without QQing on a Star Wars forum

Originally posted by Vensai
So we agree the brothers make it to 4-5 then.

Yes.

Someone said the bros lose at 1, which is simply retarded.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Yes.

Someone said the bros lose at 1, which is simply retarded.

Just a Maul hater. Nothing to take seriously.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Just a Maul hater. Nothing to take seriously.

There seem to be alot....

KruptPThanos
Master Han(should be master HAND lol)
Banjo Broski

Anyways Bros fall at 4-5.

Hey Mental Darth Power & Mental ROTJ Vader Why Dont You Two Get A Online Chatroom For Cyber Sex.

I don't hate maul.. I actually like him.. I just don't like the Sids and Maul apologist who like to peddle their theories as facts to explain their losses.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't hate maul.. I actually like him.. I just don't like the Sids and Maul apologist who like to peddle their theories as facts to explain their losses.

Okay maybe not you, but Master Han/Banjo Broski are DEFENITLY Maul haters.

I don't hate Maul either, I simply find him uninteresting as a character.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't hate Maul either, I simply find him uninteresting as a character.

I never mentoned you. I meant Banjo & Han.

Originally posted by Mental Banjo Broski
If only I could get those two in one of my famous gay pornos

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
I never mentoned you. I meant Banjo & Han.

I know. I just wanted to weigh in on the topic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I know. I just wanted to weigh in on the topic.

Yes. Do you think there the same person because there defenitly trolls.

Mental Taa'hai SHUT UP You Have Cyber Sex With Guys

So do I.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Yes. Do you think there the same person because there defenitly trolls.

Nah.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't hate Maul either, I simply find him uninteresting as a character.

You didn't even find him interesting in TCW?

The guy literally stole every scene he was in. And his episodes have been the highlight of the whole show Imho.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The guy literally stole every scene he was in. And his episodes have been the highlight of the whole show Imho.

Nah, Sidious stole the show in "The Lawless." Otherwise, yes.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, Sidious stole the show in "The Lawless." Otherwise, yes.

Well to be fair to Maul, Sidious steals the show in EVERY scene he's in. He's simply the greatest villain of SW. No questions asked.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You didn't even find him interesting in TCW?

The guy literally stole every scene he was in. And his episodes have been the highlight of the whole show Imho.

I find his TCW persona unbearably dull. He was highly interesting and intimidating when he was just a terrifying-looking badass in TPM. I mean, he was literally the ****ing devil. And he didn't even say a word, he just showed up and wrecked shit. How cool is that? As of the Clone Wars he's just another boring Sith who rages and gives villainous monologues.

He should be the Jason Voorhee's of Star Wars. Not...... Malak.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Well to be fair to Maul, Sidious steals the show in EVERY scene he's in. He's simply the greatest villain of SW. No questions asked.

You forsake your namesake too easily.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Well to be fair to Maul, Sidious steals the show in EVERY scene he's in. He's simply the greatest villain of SW. No questions asked.

Pretty much.

When Stoklassa of Red Letter Media fame even acknowledges the charisma of the character, you know you've got an iconic baddie.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I find his TCW persona unbearably dull. He was highly interesting and intimidating when he was just a terrifying-looking badass in TPM. As of the Clone Wars he's just another boring Sith who rages and gives villainous monologues.

He was amazing in TCW. I mean him and Savage was a BOSS combo. They should have lived longer had another 2seasons with them before Sidious put the nail in there coffin.

They rushed that WAYYYY to fast tbh.



The Freddy Krueger of SW would be Lord Nyax.

And Im shocked you would even put Maul and Malak in the same sentence in preference.

Originally posted by ares834
You forsake your namesake too easily.

Vader's prolly the better character, but he ceased to be the better villain in ROTJ. And as controversial as this is, I'd say Vader was at his absolute most badass in The Force Unleashed II.

Originally posted by ares834
You forsake your namesake too easily.

Sidious>Vader>Maul>Dooku>Savage>TOR Villains

but I love all 5.

I'd also throw Tarkin and Malak in the top ten.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
He was amazing in TCW. I mean him and Savage was a BOSS combo. They should have lived longer had another 2seasons with them before Sidious put the nail in there coffin.

They rushed that WAYYYY to fast tbh.



The Freddy Krueger of SW would be Lord Nyax.

And Im shocked you would even put Maul and Malak in the same sentence in preference.

Urgh, he's so boring. He just shows up and fights people while spiting out hateful dialogue.

Maul and Malak are the same archetype, where they're basically just a really unpleasant, hateful thug. But at least Malak was a good villain since he personally screws you over and captures Bastila and stuff. I don't care about whatever Mauls doing in TCW at all.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd also throw Tarkin and Malak in the top ten.

The worst is Sion by far IMO. He's pretty much along with traya/nihilus the only characters I completely despise.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd also throw Tarkin and Malak in the top ten.

Malak? Really?

I always found him a merely passable villain.

Originally posted by ares834
Malak? Really?

I always found him a merely passable villain.

Malak's great. Imposing, scheming, cunning, and fairly direct. Complex plots and master strategy is Sidious's domain, but Malak will take the more straightforward route and simply Cut the Knot. He wants Revan's mantle, what's he do? Waits til Revan's in a precarious position and simply unleashes overwhelming firepower. Same with Bastila.

I admire that pragmatism.

Malaks good. He bombs a planet and screws you over repeatedly, making him an engaging and dislikeable villain. Then you learn about your past together and it gets personal. Which is always great for a villain.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
traya/nihilus...... despise.


http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/rage/big-no-meme-smiley-emoticon.png

^LOL.

Nihilus and Traya are jokes, come on. A guy who can eat worlds but has no skills outside of that. Trayas just a joke.

Dont even get me started on Sion...

Nihilus is fine in theory, but deeply flawed in execution. Avellone couldn't make up his mind if he wanted Nihilus to be omnipotent or crippled, cunning or moronic. It would have been best had he been unaffiliated with the Sith in general.

Kreia's also fine in theory, but is far too blatantly sinister to be a skilled manipulator.

Seriously man, you're just digging a hole atm. You don't wanna keep going. Traya is an amazingly written character and Nihilus is iconic and badass as ****.

^lol.

At the LEAST you have to hate Sion.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nihilus is fine in theory, but deeply flawed in execution. Avellone couldn't make up his mind if he wanted Nihilus to be omnipotent or crippled, cunning or moronic. It would have been best had he been unaffiliated with the Sith in general.

Kreia's also fine in theory, but is far too blatantly sinister to be a skilled manipulator.

Who do you believe is the worst?.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Malak's great. Imposing, scheming, cunning, and fairly direct. Complex plots and master strategy is Sidious's domain, but Malak will take the more straightforward route and simply Cut the Knot. He wants Revan's mantle, what's he do? Waits til Revan's in a precarious position and simply unleashes overwhelming firepower. Same with Bastila.

I admire that pragmatism.

Fair enough. I could never get passed his design and he came across as "Mwhahaha" evil but without any of the fun.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nihilus is fine in theory, but deeply flawed in execution. Avellone couldn't make up his mind if he wanted Nihilus to be omnipotent or crippled, cunning or moronic. It would have been best had he been unaffiliated with the Sith in general.

Kreia's also fine in theory, but is far too blatantly sinister to be a skilled manipulator.

Agreed on both accounts. I think that's really what is so disappointing about Nihilus. He had the potential to be of the most interesting Sith in the mythos but, at the end, it falls flat on its face.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously man, you're just digging a hole atm. You don't wanna keep going. Traya is an amazingly written character and Nihilus is iconic and badass as ****.

Nihilus has mystique going for him, that's it. Kreia's got awesome motivation but is, again, too dark and blatant about it for anyone with double-digit IQs to not instantly distrust. It'd be no different than Sidious being the ragged ugly fvck we see in ROTJ running for Senate in TPM. At least George recognized Palpatine had to appear and behave absolutely unassumingly for his gambit to be effective. Avellone was far too heavyhanded.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
^lol.

At the LEAST you have to hate Sion.

He's pretty cool. His intro was badass, with him silently approaching on a ship filled with corpses. Then you hear that recording about how messed up his body is and he kills that woman. Plus his voice is badass and his whole schtick is memorable and interesting.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Who do you believe is the worst?.

Of the major ones? Vitiate, hands down. Of the EU in general, well there's far too many candidates to reasonably consider.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nihilus has mystique going for him, that's it. Kreia's got awesome motivation but is, again, too dark and blatant about it for anyone with double-digit IQs to not instantly distrust. It'd be no different than Sidious being the ragged ugly fvck we see in ROTJ running for Senate in TPM. At least George recognized Palpatine had to appear and behave absolutely unassumingly for his gambit to be effective. Avellone was far too heavyhanded.

You're meant to distrust her. Avellone knew that he couldn't top the Revan reveal so didn't try. Instead you spend the game running around with the Big Bad and conscious of that fact whenever you talk to her. It makes it very interesting imo. The Force Bond thing ensures that even those who want to just attack her understand why the character wouldn't.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's pretty cool. His intro was badass, with him silently approaching on a ship filled with corpses. Then you hear that recording about how messed up his body is and he kills that woman. Plus his voice is badass and his whole schtick is memorable and interesting.

Sion was a evil ugly ass pedophile/lame Majin Boo ripoff. IMO.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's pretty cool. His intro was badass, with him silently approaching on a ship filled with corpses. Then you hear that recording about how messed up his body is and he kills that woman. Plus his voice is badass and his whole schtick is memorable and interesting.

Never understood why people bitched about Peragus. I loved the tone and felt it was one of the highlights of the game.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Of the major ones? Vitiate, hands down. Of the EU in general, well there's far too many candidates to reasonably consider.

Agreed. Vitiate is just a lame Sidious ripoff. Most of the EU villains suck in general.

My top villains list would be

1.Sidious
2.Vader
3.Maul
4.Dooku
5.Savage
6.The Son
7.Plagueis
8.Tarkin
9.Kyrat

Peragus was the best part of the game, man!

The first time.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Of the major ones? Vitiate, hands down. Of the EU in general, well there's far too many candidates to reasonably consider.

Caedus is worse.

Also Abeloth probably. At least Vitiate has interesting story's based around him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're meant to distrust her. Avellone knew that he couldn't top the Revan reveal so didn't try. Instead you spend the game running around with the Big Bad and conscious of that fact whenever you talk to her. It makes it very interesting imo. The Force Bond thing ensures that even those who want to just attack her understand why the character wouldn't.

The Force bond is a terrible EU creation, but one that I won't pin on Avellone, since it originated elsewhere.

There really didn't have to be a reveal. Have Kreia be the blunt, argumentative, blackmailing b1tch she really is to tertiary characters like Atton and so but an effective manipulator needs to disguise their sinister designs.

In Buffyverse terms, she needed to be more Mayor Wilkins/Holland Manners (Affably Evil and/or Faux Affably Evil) than The Master (Obviously Evil).

Originally posted by ares834
Never understood why people bitched about Peragus. I loved the tone and felt it was one of the highlights of the game.

Who are your favorite villains. Top 5. And least favorite.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Peragus was the best part of the game, man!

The first time.

Heh, well that would explain. I only bothered to play that game once.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The Force bond is a terrible EU creation, but one that I won't pin on Avellone, since it originated elsewhere.

There really didn't have to be a reveal. Have Kreia be the blunt, argumentative, blackmailing b1tch she really is to tertiary characters like Atton and so but an effective manipulator needs to disguise their sinister designs.

In Buffyverse terms, she needed to be more Mayor Wilkins/Holland Manners (Affably Evil and/or Faux Affably Evil) than The Master (Obviously Evil).

But that would screw up her whole thing of being a mentor to you. You can't have all those interesting conversations with you if she's pretending to be a good guy. Plus I think most people would just be pissed off that their character can't see through her lies and would feel uninspired to talk to her if she's just going to lie and manipulate you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Caedus is worse.

Also Abeloth probably. At least Vitiate has interesting story's based around him.

Caedus's transformation was the product of years of propaganda, harsh experiences, and pilgrimages to other Force cults. Invincible too late established him to be a ruthless but compelling Big Bad. Vitiate isn't remotely interesting in any depiction: he's lite!Palpatine minus the success and appeal.

Abeloth is close to Vitiate's lameness, definitely.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Who are your favorite villains. Top 5. And least favorite.

Hmm, that's tough.

1. Vader
2. Sidious

After that it just becomes too difficult.

Least favorite big bad is Vitate.

Originally posted by ares834
Hmm, that's tough.

1. Vader
2. Sidious

After that it just becomes too difficult.

Least favorite big bad is Vitate.

What about the ancient sith LOL.

Also does anyone know why this forum had tons of ancient sith fanboys in 2005-2006?. From viewing old topics its crazy how much this site changed.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Caedus's transformation was the product of years of propaganda, harsh experiences, and pilgrimages to other Force cults. Invincible too late established him to be a ruthless but compelling Big Bad. Vitiate isn't remotely interesting in any depiction: he's lite!Palpatine minus the success and appeal.

Abeloth is close to Vitiate's lameness, definitely.

The problem is his transformation from interesting and intelligent Dark Jedi in Traitor to gibbering madman in subsequent books. It totally crossed the line of believability and destroyed our ability to emphasise or relate with him.

At least Exar Kun has old-school comicbook villainy as a good point. Abeloth is just meh.

Yeah, they ****ed up with Caedus. You also gotta love how he became Chief of State...

Originally posted by Mental Banjo Broski
I'M FAPPING SO HARD WHILE I TYPE TO TAAY'HAI IN CAPS OMGOMGOMG I WANT HIM IN MY THREESOME

They don't make it past 3. Qui Gon can beat Savage.

Nah. Qui Gon sucks.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader

Also does anyone know why this forum had tons of ancient sith fanboys in 2005-2006?. From viewing old topics its crazy how much this site changed.

No clue.

Essentially, a guy named Lightsnake came along and challenged the old ways. Then he quickly converted another guy named Gideon, who would go on to rule the forum as the most gifted logician and rhetorician in the history of the universe (see Zampano for the relevant quote) until his untimely ambush by corrupt moderators. We prostrate ourselves before Him and live to carry on His ways.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
What about the ancient sith LOL.

Also does anyone know why this forum had tons of ancient sith fanboys in 2005-2006?. From viewing old topics its crazy how much this site changed.

Or does the forum just have a ton of Clone Wars fanboys now...

biscuits

Yes.

Is the answer to that question.

True.

Originally posted by ares834
Or does the forum just have a ton of Clone Wars fanboys now...

biscuits

That's still a change.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No clue.

Essentially, a guy named Lightsnake came along and challenged the old ways. Then he quickly converted another guy named Gideon, who would go on to rule the forum as the most gifted logician and rhetorician in the history of the universe (see Zampano for the relevant quote) until his untimely ambush by corrupt moderators. We prostrate ourselves before Him and live to carry on His ways.

Oh I got you.

Originally posted by mnat801
They don't make it past 3. Qui Gon can beat Savage.

Qui Gon has 0 chance Vs Savage. He's cool but sucks socks at saber dueling.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Oh I got you.

You'd have liked Gideon. He was truly extraordinary.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You'd have liked Gideon. He was truly extraordinary.

Nice what happend to him.

No one knows. They say he still lurks these boards, whispering loving words into the ears of the initiated.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No one knows. They say he still lurks these boards, whispering loving words into the ears of the initiated.

Lol. Can we get him back or no.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. Qui Gon sucks. So then Maul sucks? It was Qui Gon battling Maul 75% of the time in TPM with Kenobi getting kicked in the face every ten seconds. Plus Jinn was the padawan to Dooku, the order's greatest student, so that's gotta help his case. As well as Jinn having a major advantage of experience against Savage.

I may be wrong but imo Jinn can beat Savage, or at least hold his own until Dooku beats Maul.

Originally posted by mnat801
So then Maul sucks? It was Qui Gon battling Maul 75% of the time in TPM with Kenobi getting kicked in the face every ten seconds. Plus Jinn was the padawan to Dooku, the order's greatest student, so that's gotta help his case. As well as Jinn having a major advantage of experience against Savage.

I may be wrong but imo Jinn cab beat Savage, or at least hold his own until Dooku beats Maul.

Maul was simply luring Jinn back the whole entire fight, the only portion of there fight that counts is there 1v1. In there 1v1 fight Qui Gon came at Maul "fully rejuvenated" and got cut down in 30seconds.

Lets not beat the dead pig here.

So anyone who loses to Maul sucks now?

Qui-Gon was one of the best swordsmen of his time. Maul's just better.

That said no way is Qui-Gon beating Opress. Opress has defeated Adi, Ventress and even Plo Koon.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Maul was simply luring Jinn back the whole entire fight, the only portion of there fight that counts is there 1v1. In there 1v1 fight Qui Gon came at Maul "fully rejuvenated" and got cut down in 30seconds.

Lets not beat the dead pig here. 30 seconds is actually long for a lightsaber duel. Imo Savage wouldn't do any better than Qui Gon.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So anyone who loses to Maul sucks now?

Qui-Gon was one of the best swordsmen of his time. Maul's just better.

That said no way is Qui-Gon beating Opress. Opress has defeated Adi, Ventress and even Plo Koon. I'm actually quite surprised. I put Qui Gon better than those 3.

Originally posted by mnat801
I'm actually quite surprised. I put Qui Gon better than those 3.

Qui-Gon's problem is he lack feats.

Rather his stamina and lack of defense.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Maul was simply luring Jinn back the whole entire fight, the only portion of there fight that counts is there 1v1. In there 1v1 fight Qui Gon came at Maul "fully rejuvenated" and got cut down in 30seconds.


But only because Maul had lured him into a narrow corridor, where the Jedi Master's ataru (which had served him to stalemate Mace Windu in sparring) was ineffective.

On Tatooine, the two appeared to be evenly matched.

Originally posted by Master Han
But only because Maul had lured him into a narrow corridor, where the Jedi Master's ataru (which had served him to stalemate Mace Windu in sparring) was ineffective.
This has never been mentioned as having an effect on the actual fight. Besides, even with the help of Obi-Wan in much space, they were lesser than Maul.

Originally posted by Master Han
On Tatooine, the two appeared to be evenly matched.
I need to remind you that Maul had his leg injured from an axe and that it haden't been cleaned.

They still were not evenly matched on Tatooine. Qui-Gon was simply surviving, and when he escapes we see how exhausted he was.

Originally posted by Master Han
But only because Maul had lured him into a narrow corridor, where the Jedi Master's ataru (which had served him to stalemate Mace Windu in sparring) was ineffective.

On Tatooine, the two appeared to be evenly matched.

They werint evenly matched on Tatooine.

Maul was driving Jinn back the whole time and Jinn was panting and exhausted.

And dont even use that as a excuse, seeing as being in a small corner would be just as much of a disadvantage towards Maul.

If TPM Maul and TCW Maul are close in sabers, then Jinn did much better against Maul then Opress.

Anyway, Dooku can engage Maul in saber fight, and help Jinn to take advantage over Savage with his FL or TK.

I see no disparity between TPM Maul and TCW Maul in saber skill.

I think it's somewhere stated that he became more powerful. Not sure, though.

@Intrepid37
Neither do I.

@Col. Valerian
Maybe you're right, I'm not sure. As I remeber thats was Savage's word.

^With the force broski.

^He said that, after he lost saber duel to Maul. So we can't be sure.

Maul muses he's more powerful when he fights Sidious, which is very true considering his feats. More skilled? Not at all.

Originally posted by Zett
^He said that, after he lost saber duel to Maul. So we can't be sure.

My post was in reference to Col.Valerians, buddy. No need to beat the dead pig.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
This has never been mentioned as having an effect on the actual fight.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the TPM novelization mentions it. That's why Maul retreats against Qui Gon.

(unless if you wish to argue that Jinn is legitimately driving him back...but that wouldn't really support your case)



Well, Maul repeatedly needs to take out Obi Wan with kicks, and backtracks against them, so...



That sounds like pointless Maul-wank inserted by some author, but it's canon, so I won't argue it.

Maul is certainly superior to Qui Gon as of TPM, but we can't overlook the fact that Jinn had been running in the desert for god-knows-how-long.

Originally posted by Master Han
Actually, I'm pretty sure the TPM novelization mentions it. That's why Maul retreats against Qui Gon.
I actually finished the novelization a good three weeks ago. Never been mentioned.




Originally posted by Master Han
Well, Maul repeatedly needs to take out Obi Wan with kicks, and backtracks against them, so...
Needs? Sources have told us that the Jedi's tactic were little more than ''delaying'', and now they had ''met their match''.


Originally posted by Master Han
Maul is certainly superior to Qui Gon as of TPM, but we can't overlook the fact that Jinn had been running in the desert for god-knows-how-long.
Again, never been mentioned that it hindered Jinn (and had he been running?)

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Qui-Gon's problem is he lack feats. True, but he's got a good resume it terms of having been taught by Dooku, aka order's best student, and having taught Obi wan. And he was able to engage Maul, where as other council members would have a hard time with Savage.

Plus for this thread, Jinn & Dooku will have good chemistry together.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
This has never been mentioned as having an effect on the actual fight. Besides, even with the help of Obi-Wan in much space, they were lesser than Maul. Yeah, Jinn and Kenobi together merely stalemated Maul.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They still were not evenly matched on Tatooine. Qui-Gon was simply surviving, and when he escapes we see how exhausted he was. Good point.

This Topic Is Smelly.

Originally posted by mnat801
True, but he's got a good resume it terms of having been taught by Dooku, aka order's best student, and having taught Obi wan. And he was able to engage Maul, where as other council members would have a hard time with Savage.

Plus for this thread, Jinn & Dooku will have good chemistry together.
Honestly, not really. Dooku tends to fight alone and he looks down on Ataru's ridiculous acrobatics.